New bag law.

What do you of the bag ban taking effect May 4th?


I don't mind it but wish that the grocery stores would give us paper bags instead. Plastic bags are a fairly new item that have been found on the bottom of the ocean. Paper bags compost really well and make great school book covers.

Robert Rowe Robert Rowe
March 31st

We as a species use way to much Plastic. We will be cleaning up the oceans for centuries. Yes before everyone gets on my case plastic does have a purpose in advancing our species … medical… and a few others. But we need let plastic go and recycle every we have and clean up this plastic waste issue.

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
March 31st

Good thing I bought a case of bags from Amazon.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
March 31st

No big deal. I've been bringing my own bags for years. Anyone who has a problem with this law must have zero love for nature.

Don't forget to occasionally wash those reusable bags!


I wish paper bags were able to be used. Don't understand why they can't be provided like they used to.


I prefer using my (canvas) bags for shopping. They hold more (fewer trips from the car), and there's zero chance of them ripping/breaking.

Plastic straws, however, RULE over paper straws. I hate paper straws, they suck (no pun intended). They get soggy if you don't finish your drink relatively quickly. I'll be keeping a stash of plastic straws in my vehicle for whenever I get a drink requiring a straw.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
March 31st

I think getting away from plastic is a great idea. I have a question for the forum. I don’t want huge bags because of the weight. (Don’t want a 50 lb capacity bag) So what are your thoughts…….. canvas or nylon? Seems nylon is easier to wipe down

Local Gal Local Gal
March 31st

I think we have other things we should be worrying about. This should be on the bottom of the list. I rule against this 120%. I feel bad for the elders who truly won't understand the reason, and will truly forget their bags ALL THE TIME!

IrishGirl
March 31st

We reuse the plastic bags for our small cans in the bathrooms and the bedroom. But besides that what about all the food that comes in plastic in the stores, like milk, soda water, etc.


I don’t mind using boxes, no different then BJ’s. When will they really get real about plastic. Pretty much everything in grocery store is wrapped in plastic.

auntiel auntiel
March 31st

I'm sure ShopRite and other merchants love it since it saves them money. If you look on eBay you can buy the same bags in bulk pretty cheap actually, when I run out of my massive stash that's what I'll do

itiswhatitis
March 31st

Actually there are some very valid points as to why a ban does not make good sense. The fact it takes as much as 70% more energy to produce paper and cotton bags for example. There are many very valid points to consider.

I strongly recommend folks check out this site to read some more thoughts on a ban.
https://greenliving.lovetoknow.com/Why_Should_We_Not_Ban_Plastic_Bags

I guess I'll need to carry my own plastic bag to bring home my purchases that consist of at least 90% single use plastic packaging.


"I guess I'll need to carry my own plastic bag to bring home my purchases that consist of at least 90% single use plastic packaging."


Excellent point. These bag/straw bans really just scratch the surface. Feel-good legislation. I recycle also, and I've ready plenty of articles on how THAT also isn't what people think it is; how expensive it can be to turn recyclables in new product. I'm all for not wasting resources, and not damaging the environment (but THAT is a whole 'nuther ELEPHANT in the room)... but alot of this is, unfortunately, nonsense. The issue is MUCH larger than 90% of people realize. They just think "yay! Ban plastic! I'm doing MY part in 'saving the planet' !!" When in fact....

https://maritime-executive.com/editorials/why-your-recycled-plastic-may-end-up-in-the-ocean

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2021/01/10/china-quits-recycling-us-trash-as-sustainable-start-up-makes-strides/?sh=4bc175585a56

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
March 31st

Why not just require plastic bags to be recyclable?

Plastic bags will still be used in just about everyone's garbage can, so does this really make a difference?

Additionally, those nylon bags, even though reusable, are WAY worse in compost then a thin plastic bag


They ARE recyclable.... whether it's economically viable is another story though.

https://www.plasticfilmrecycling.org/recycling-bags-and-wraps/plastic-film-education-individuals/learn-whats-recyclable/

ianimal ianimal
March 31st

How are supermarket at home delivery services, Instacart, etc., going to handle this? I asked some pickers in Shoprite yesterday as they were putting items in plastic bags and they hadn't received any information yet.

OnTheEdge OnTheEdge
March 31st

What I think many are missing with this law is how much those "single use" (even though many reuse those bags) bags are involved in our life. For all those that say "I've been using the reusable bags for ages now", how many bring those reusable bags into Lowes/Home Depot, Target, Advanced Auto, Wawa, Kohls, to the Mall, etc.

I don't think supermarkets are where the big problems are going to fall w/ this law. The fights and arguments are going to come when people go into these other stores and are either forced to purchase bags they don't want (which could cause even more waste if they are thrown out) or carry large quantity of items in their hands.


Paperbags were banned because the super market lobby wanted them banned...they are very expensive compared to plastic bags


What are pet owners supposed to use to clean up after their pets??? People don’t clean up after them now!!!

Carolyn Carolyn
March 31st

My own thought is there has got to be a way to get get control of this ever increasing use of plastic. Plastic waste is everywhere, roadsides, rivers, landfills, the ocean. Hopefully this is just the 1st step.


As Indie said - it's an enormous problem --- just because it doesn't get completely rid of plastic doesn't mean it isn't a step in the right direction ---What we've done to the earth is pretty awful - don't we want it on the road to better for our kids and grandkids?

4catmom 4catmom
March 31st

Who remembers when they told us we needed to switch to plastic bags to save the environment? Plastic will be better because it's recyclable and we won't need to cut down the trees!!! I guess they got that wrong!! Maybe we should remember now when they are telling us we need to switch to all electric cars to save the environment!! Just a thought!!!

Dadof3
March 31st

Exactly Dadof3! I remember when plastic bags were going to save us from the boogeyman of deforestation.


Dadof3 is exactly right. I remember the whole "save the trees" thing, which is kind of funny since they are a RENEWABLE resource.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
March 31st

Plastic bags cost about 1/10 the price of paper bags


So, just to put this in some perspective, according to https://ourworldindata.org/ocean-plastics, the US is responsible for approx. 0.25% of the plastic found in the ocean. By contrast, the Philippines alone was responsible for over 36% of the ocean plastic (and India is another 13%). Don't tell me that NJ's plastic bag ban is going to put a dent in the ocean plastic volume.

Now, there are other reasons than just the ocean plastic to restrict plastics, but I believe a lot of those arguments will backfire. https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/30/plastic-bag-bans/ The study there said that in California communities w/ bans or fees in place, the sale of 4-gallon trash bags increased by 55-75% and 8-gallon trash bag sales increased by 87-110%. Why is this??? We still need the plastic bags - the "single use" bag label is completely wrong because most people use the bags for a second purpose and will still need a plastic bag to do that job. SO, instead of reusing a plastic shopping bag, the Gov't is forcing us to purchase more (new) bags which require more energy (and fossil fuels) to make.


Exactly jnnjr. Lil ol NJ won’t even make a dent. There would have to be a worldwide ban.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
March 31st

Details of bags not allowed and allowed;
https://www.nj.com/business/2022/03/nj-plastic-bag-ban-garbage-produce-pet-waste-bags-still-ok-when-new-law-starts.html

OnTheEdge OnTheEdge
March 31st

jnnjr... you're digging too much! We don't ALL the facts! Just enough of them so we feel good about ourselves!! LOL

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
March 31st

I reuse the bags for trash. Now I just need to purchase them.

Kimberlysea Kimberlysea
March 31st

Put trash in the can, then empty that can into the one you drag to the street. Another problem solved.

Roywhite Roywhite
March 31st

“A journey of 10,000 steps begins with one.”-old Chinese saying


Zip Lock needs to be held accountable for their part in destroying the planet also. If we as consumers have to change to do our part, so should Glad wrap & Hefty. Time for the butcher to wrap your meat in paper again kids.

auntiel auntiel
March 31st

No one has mentioned the heavy duty garbage bags that we all use.. I can’t imagine them breaking down in the garbage dumps!! This does not look like it was very well thought out.. time will tell!


I am still trying to figure out how warren county's plastic bags get in the ocean


10,000 steps isn't exactly a journey; it's a normal day for a non-sedentary person.

The actual Lao Tzu proverb is that a journey of 1,000 miles begins with a single step.

ianimal ianimal
April 1st

I am all for saving the environment but like others have said, consumer single use plastics are NOT the plastic use that is killing the planet. Start regulating packaging processes and plastic waste on a corporate level and then worry about individuals.


Typical clown world legislation.

Calico696 Calico696
April 1st

But it saves the super markets so much money


Oh and another thing — target was handing out free reusable bags this week and mine literally ripped in half while I was bringing it inside. The tag said good for 100 uses. LOL.


"But it saves the super markets so much money"


Yes!!! I can't wait to see this savings reflected in the food prices!!

har-dee-har-har

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
April 1st

Supermarkets and the like type stores will save a lot of $$. I would guess there are biodegradable bags available on the market or, if not, there should be. I'm all for saving the environment. I agree with Kat's comment: "Start regulating packaging processes and plastic waste on a corporate level and then worry about individuals." And, like JR said, "Yes!!! I can't wait to see this savings reflected in the food prices!!" That's sure to happen!! Ha Ha Ha!!

Mrs. Pipes Mrs. Pipes
April 1st

Yeah savings just like the self checkouts we got savings LOL

Was in target today and they are giving out reusable bags when you check out, 1 per customer each time you check out.

Mom of 1
April 1st

For those that say 'recycle'-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnJ8mK3Q3g

Watch the whole thing.


I have stacks of plastic bags I’ve taken from shop rite over the years. No problem bringing my own plastic bags is there?

Scotty Scotty
April 4th

No Scotty, you can BYO bags-paper, plastic, fabric-or boxes too, I assume.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
April 4th

There was an interesting, and informative, article in Sunday's Star Ledger about this new bag law, if anyone wants to read it.
I understand that this new law could be an inconvenience to some. I've been using cloth reusable bags for my groceries for many years and find that if you keep them in your car, several stuffed inside of one, they are always there when you need them. Eventually it will become a habit for you. I also have some small net bags for produce & fruit, instead of those plastic baggies you can't get open.
As for the people who use them for "pooper duty", I've noticed lately how many other items have plastic wrappers that could be used (more than once) for this: bread bags, frozen vegetable bags, the inside wrappers in cereal boxes, the newspaper wrappers (which I hate), potato chips or snack bags, etc. Also, you can buy rolls of biodegradable bags for this purpose too (if you want).
I just want to do what I can, small as it might be, to remove or prevent any more plastic in our environment and our food and water. Every little bit might help, especially if we all pitch in.

Lonesome Dove Lonesome Dove
April 4th

It is going to be interesting when there are no bags. Can you imagine someone scanning (or not) all of their items and then dumping them back in the cart. How will they know if all items were indeed scanned or if some were bypassed. They going to have workers go thru receipts item by item? I wouldn't be surprised if losses go up.


ccbw - Not sure if u are aware... but ShopRite has cameras looking down on Every self-checkout. If there's any doubt as to what was scanned - they can review your entire check-out / scan process. I'd assume all the other retail outlets do this as well (Walmart, etc) So... keep that in mind next time ya self check-out, and remember not to pick ur nose.... they can see u!

CommonSense CommonSense
April 4th

Plastic bags are already banned in Hudson County. I wasn't aware of that when I bought a bunch of stuff at Quick Check. When I asked for a bag, they said I would have to pay for one. Can't remember the how much but it was inexpensive. Weis has those reusable plastic bags for ten cents and I imagine that's what we'll see in most places if we don't bring our own bag and don't want to purchase a "nicer" one. Shoprite has the best reusable bags in my opinion.

Smilingbecs Smilingbecs
April 5th

This is gonna make it Cumbersome for curbside pick up.

If I get a cheap reusable bag automatically when I use curbside pick up, and I don’t re use it because I use curbside pick up, have we solved the problem?


I got a coffee at Quik Chek today... I surprised they still have STYROFOAM cups... in a state that is banning plastic straws and bags, I'm shocked they hadn't banned Styrofoam YEARS ago.... pfft...

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
April 5th

You should be recycling the styrofoam cup.

emerald
April 5th

UH-UH!!! THEY shouldn't be ALLOWED to sell it!! AMIRIGHT???? I mean, I'm not allowed to have plastic straws (which I could recycle), or plastic bags (which I could recycle), but a styrofoam cup (which I could recycle) is AOK? Riiiiiiight.

I call BS. Because it is. Are we "saving the planet" or aren't we????
hahahahahaha

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
April 5th

Paper bags is the way to go

Steve Davis Steve Davis
April 5th

I was just at a convenience store. The owner told me not only do we have to supply our own bags, we have to bag everything ourselves. Any body else hear that?

auntiel auntiel
April 5th

Regardless of the environmental impact of this law, the large companies who paid for the bags will save millions of dollars and pass zero of it onto us.

Just like I now have to do self checkout or wait on interminable lines for an actual person.

Whenever these big companies even get a whiff of a possible cost increase, prices immediately shoot up (see recent price increases due to inflation), but anytime they save a buck, consumers never see one dime in lower prices

I hope it is at least good for the environment in the long term

Bigcompaniestheft
April 5th

JeffersonRepub,
Well, the ban starts on May 4th, right???
Aren’t plastic bags still available in the stores???

emerald
April 5th

auntiel, I have been told by Shoprite cashiers that they are not allowed to pack bags that I bring. I thought it was a covid thing. Maybe not.


emerald,

Yes may 4. And? Is styrofoam also being banned on May 4? (no)

So I repeat: are we "saving the planet", or aren't we? McDonalds stopped using Styrofoam food containers decades ago... just more contradiction from the powers that be.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
April 6th

Workers are not allowed to pack the bags that we bring?
Let’s hope that’s not the case! Otherwise it sounds like the entire store will be Self Check Out!
Big Companies Saving more Money at the Customers Expense! Ugh!

ChiliDog
April 6th

According to the Star Ledger article I mentioned earlier, polystyrene will also be banned on May 4th. So, it seems that the Styrofoam cups will not be permitted then.

Also, Shoprite cashiers are not permitted to pack (or even touch) our cloth bags. This is a Covid rule they've had for quite some time, so I'm going to assume that once the bag ban goes into effect, everyone will have to do their own bagging. I've bagged my own since I worked at Shoprite as a teenager (many moons ago).

Lonesome Dove Lonesome Dove
April 6th

Last trip to Shoprite I brought my own reusable bags for a “dry run” in preparation for the new regs.
No way I could keep up with the checker.
Law is gonna create huge delays at the beginning.
They may even need to open more than 4 registers
( haha) to handle problems.
My solution will be to either bring a large Tupperware storage container or several cardboard boxes (ala ALDI) expedite my experience.

Stymie Stymie
April 6th

JeffersonRepub-

Is styrofoam also being banned on May 4th?
Yes.
For someone so emotional about styrofoam cups, get the facts.

emerald
April 6th

I agree with Stymie. I've been bagging my own groceries my whole adult life, and I can't keep up with the cashiers either. I end up breathless because I am 73 and I am wearing my mask. And then when they finish giving me my receipt, they start on the very next customer before I've even managed to finish bagging and putting my wallet back into my purse.

Lonesome Dove Lonesome Dove
April 6th

emerald-

I assure you, emotion has nothing to do with it. It's called sarcasm. If they're banning styrofoam too, at least they are being consistent.

Plastic not paper! Save the TREES!

Uh... wait... not plastic either!! Bring your own! Made out of some kind of cloth, I guess... now we have to figure out what materials are being used to create shopping bags, so we can figure out what to save next (Sheep? LOL)

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
April 6th

"Instacart will have its shoppers buy reusable bags at the register, a spokesperson said. That cost will be added on to a customer’s order price."

OnTheEdge OnTheEdge
April 6th

You can choose to be an optimist or a pessimist.

emerald
April 6th

I'm a realist.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
April 6th

I've been using reusable tote bags for years to do all my shopping. It's not a big deal. It's not that hard to get into the habit of bringing them with you to the store. Just keep them in your car and grab some before you go into the store. You could also use cardboard boxes. Aldi's grocery store does not provide any bags--you have to bring your own. Think of what folks did prior to plastic bags....they used paper or reusable, tote-like bags bags. Stuff you purchased was sometimes wrapped in newspaper or tied up with string. I'm strict about what I bring into my house, since it will be my problem and my money and my time to dispose of it. So pretty much I minimize plastic bags from stores and other packaging materials that I bring into my house.


They should do it the Amazon way

Provide FREE heavy duty bags that would be returned..shoprite could put a quarter deposit on each bag


Amazon?? LOLOLOL

Probably the largest user of cardboard boxes in the US at this point. Recyclable, yes. But many states don't recycle. And half the time they seem to use a box 2x-3x as large as necessary for the item shipped (LOTS of plastic air bubble packing too)

Amazon themselves should have recycling drop-off centers for the amount they generate LOL

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
April 8th

Amazon used to deliver groceries via the post office. It was called amazon fresh...different than the current version with wholefoods

They would use heavy duty green shopping bags...the post office would pick them up on the next visit..if you kept them theyvwould charge you for them...no reason shoprite couldn't do the same..just use the quarter deposit scheme that works so well with the carts...


When I'm at a restaurant for lunch or dinner I carry in my own container and package my own left overs. I and my Sisters have been doing this for several years. I am considering transferring anything I might buy that comes in those stiff plastic containers in the Supermarket to my own containers which I will carry into the store and make the transfer "after" the item is checked. I will then toss the "plastic containers" into the Supermarket's garbage. Yes, it may slow down the checkout process for which I will feel badly. Maybe more registers will open. Hmm.

Mrs. Pipes Mrs. Pipes
April 8th

Most people don’t have that kind of time, Mrs. Pipes.
The funny thing is the “single use” plastic bags are being used more than once making them reusable-to a point. I’ve even seen sleeping mats made out of them and given to homeless individuals.
Bags are a small part of the problem. What’s next? Plastic water water bottles, because those things are just as bad.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
April 8th

3wbdwnj; I agree regarding the time. I don't have much extra time myself so I truly understand. Our Supermarkets could have shown how much they value their customers by providing free multi-use biodegradable bags regularly. They would have received very good press and word of mouth and other markets would probably have followed the lead. I heard one of the markets handed out some last week or the week before. There are so many other plastics to be addressed.

Mrs. Pipes Mrs. Pipes
April 8th

As an aside, Trader Joes provides biodegradeable plastic produce bags in their stores, so if they can do it, others can do it.
Additionally, many "stryofoam" containers are being made with corn that breaks down. Those packing peanuts? Many are now corn-based and dissolveable in water. I should know, because my dog started eating them and they literally melted in her mouth.
Rather than banning plastic bags (the thing people need the most) altogether, we could be requiring businesses use, say 50% biodegradeable plastics for all in-store packaging, and step it up over time to eventually be 100% biodegradeable in 5-10 years.
There are so many options and ways to do this better.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
April 8th

So with the "bring your own bags" are the cashiers going to bag them? Are all grocery stores doing this? I'm so confused. First no paper bags lets go plastic, then no plastic lets go back to paper, and now plastic but nope now that too is going away. Just ridiculous

htownlifer htownlifer
April 8th

At the end of the day

They no longer have to employ baggers or buy bags..cashiers will be gone next


Bug3, are we sure they didn’t already get rid of cashiers? Shoprite never seems to have more than two human beings working registers at a time. It’s so frustrating.


I was in Weis early evening last week. There was not one cashier at a register for check out. But, there were several employees (around 6) near the front of the store. They were talking; not stocking shelves. This change will be difficult for some of the elderly people who still are able to do their own shopping.

Mrs. Pipes Mrs. Pipes
April 8th

You’re right, Mrs. Pipes. Also, parents with young children and disabled persons. So many other ways to solve this problem.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
April 8th

N.J. plastic bag ban: 23 answers to your urgent questions:
https://www.nj.com/news/2022/04/nj-plastic-bag-ban-23-answers-to-your-urgent-questions.html

OnTheEdge OnTheEdge
April 9th

The way that item's get shipped into stores and warehouses makes this new bag law a pointless attempt to reduce plastic use especially since most people shop online nowadays. You order a shirt which usually arrives in a mailing bag inside another clear bag. Some items arrive to stores covered in plastic before hitting shelves. Every pack of socks comes individually wrapped and packed in yet another bag; purses arrive in bags and even the tags, handles, zippers all covered in 'protective' plastic.

Pretzels Pretzels
April 9th

They are already trying to roll back parts of the law


https://wrnjradio.com/new-bill-would-exempt-online-grocery-delivery-and-pickup-from-new-bag-ban/


How will curb side pickup work?

Sacks cousin
April 9th

Lonesome Dove,
You don’t have to pay your bill until you finish bagging your groceries and they are in your cart.
The cashier can’t start the next customer until you pay and get your receipt.
Take your time and take care of yourself.

emerald
April 10th

You know what, Emerald? You're absolutely right, and that's what I'm going to do from now on. I always feel rushed and stressed while I'm trying to bag as fast as I can.

Lonesome Dove Lonesome Dove
April 10th

“The cashier can’t start the next customer until you pay and get your receipt“
But they already do this now. All this will do is hold up other customers.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
April 10th

Lonesome Dove, Take care of yourself and your health. Do what you need to do for you. If I wait a few extra minutes I will survive. I do not have much extra time as I said in a post above, but I'm willing to wait. If the Supermarkets experience trouble in their "check out" lines perhaps they will take some steps to help their customers instead of "selling bags" to their customers.

Mrs. Pipes Mrs. Pipes
April 10th

The era of "customer service" is coming to end I'm afraid, pretty much across the board. These last several years, I have experienced worsening customer service on pretty much all fronts. The customer seems to matter less and less. Their MONEY still matters, but after they've gotten that, you don't seem to matter much anymore.

Not in all cases of course, but in most. In my experiences.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
April 10th

That because its too expensive to hire non skilled laborers..cheaper to go without


When I was in Shoprite this morning, the cashier said they are telling all their customers that the cashiers are now permitted to bag our groceries if we have our own cloth bags. Change in policy. Perhaps they've been reading our comments here.

Lonesome Dove Lonesome Dove
April 11th

I used Shoprite pickup; they charge $1.50 extra for all the reusable bags they give me on each order. In essence I now pay $1.50 to get a bigger, better, heavier plastic bag with more plastic in place of the single use thin ones. I have no need for MORE reusable bags, they will not let me use mine, they will not let me return mine (although I will). They can't afford to offer storage. I can not afford to keep these bags. So either they take them back or I put them in the landfill as my new garbage bags replacing my plastic ones.

I wrote the State and said, for me, pollution wise, this is going in the wrong direction and that maybe the State can fund some storage units for Shoprite.... Yeah, they thanked me for my suggestion.

Anyone want reusable bags, should have about 20-40 a month soon........


Me too. @babit. I’m going to have a lot of bags that will all go in the trash.

Sacks cousin
1 week ago

This law is flaw and simply a political move. These bags will end up in the ocean just like the old ones, yet they are larger and worse for the environment. At a time when people are struggling to make ends meet, why put this burden in them. Off a tax credit instead for those using their reusable bags at stores.

Not today Not today
1 week ago

Extra bags could be donated to food pantries.


I thought grocery stores would still have plastic bags for meat. I was at shop rite yesterday and the only offer for my chicken and beef was to purchase a bag for .33. I personally don’t mind using my own bags for shopping but don’t want raw chicken in a reusable bag.

TownFriend TownFriend
1 week ago

I basically walk through a store with a backpack now. Loading it up like a shoplifter. So weird that that is the new norm. Crazy you can bring in luggage to fill up with goods.


Sounds like the worlds gonna end because we have to cut back a little on using plastic.
Geez.
Suck it up....


TownFriend,

They are allowed to have those thin produce bags for raw meat, but it is not required. Those thin (no handle) bags are the only plastic stores are allowed to provide. Did they not have the produce bags in the meat section?


Lonesome Dove - I was told at register in Washington Shop Rite that they are not allowed to bag or even handle the bags we bring in so we need to bag everything ourselves. Sure will slow down everything if they just stand and watch us do it all.

justwondering justwondering
1 week ago

TownFriend: there still were thin plastic bags (like in produce) around the meat case. Put your meat in those.

Route 46
1 week ago

In Hackettstown Shoprite now bags for you with your own bags. The bag your own policy changed two or three weeks ago.


Justwondering & GC, Mansfield Shoprite cashier told me they could now bag for us with our own bags. I haven't been there since the law went into effect, but I believe the cashier. I think Mansfield SR and Washington SR are different ownership groups, so they could have different policy about that. I have always bagged my own groceries, so this doesn't change my habits. But there are many people who just stood there watching the cashier do it for them. Seems like things will be slow-going in Washington if that is, indeed, their new policy.

Lonesome Dove Lonesome Dove
1 week ago

OK, this is not "in the bag," but if you want to comment, the "bag lady" for the State is "jill," and she can be reached at singleuseplastics@dep.nj.gov.

site is: https://www.nj.gov/dep/get-past-plastic/#:~:text=Beginning%20May%204%2C%202022%2C%20the,single%2Duse%20plastic%20carryout%20bags.


Their slogan is "get past plastic" which, for curbside, is exactly the opposite of what's actually happening. We are making more pollution.


When I went to Wies Thursday I put my plastic bags on the belt with the amount of items I wanted in each, so they wouldn’t be to heavy. I was shocked at how I was treated by the cashier. She got very pi$$y. She treated my groceries like they were garbage. Throwing the cans on top of my bread. Throwing my milk on top of my eggs. Very disrespectful. I took the high road and remained calm. I am sure this is a very stressful situation for them. I let it go once , I will not let it go twice. I don’t mind bagging my own as long as the person behind is patient.

auntiel auntiel
1 week ago

Now when is the state going to go after the commercial hard plastic packaging that hand tools, kitchen items, all kinds of store bought items come packed in?


Indie- If they did that. Wouldn’t it take us back to the 40’s. What would your shampoo, toothpaste, peanut butter, etc. be packed in? I guess either glass or tin. There goes Tupperware out of business. Lol

auntiel auntiel
1 week ago

Sounds like even more of a reason for delivery.

CraftBeerBob CraftBeerBob
1 week ago

The law is a good idea only time will tell if it works.

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
1 week ago

Everyone should understand that the businesses love this law as it takes one more expense off their shoulders/income statements.


Good point Hammer. I wouldn’t be surprised if the larger retailers in the state were the ones lobbying for the law.

Consigliere
1 week ago

I’m surprised they didn’t target beverage companies. They could have forced them to go back to all cans or glass. NJ a nanny state for sure.


It's a start and that's a good thing, but it already needs work if you use curbside as noted above.

And it's not all profit for the business; there's a cost for pissing off customers, retraining clerks, etc. Plus, us curb-siders pay $1.50 a trip for all the bags in our order. They can't be making money on that deal. It's just that this causes more pollution, not less for curb-siders part of their customer base. Need to fix that.

As to the rest --- I strive to pollute less, not more, every time I get the chance. I recycle all the plastic I can so who cares what the shampoo comes in. Bottles have gotten thinner, tops are recycled now, all good moves IMO.

Mail order does not reduce the pollution, probably adds as each item is boxed, then over-boxed, and now you deal with two instead of one box. Used to be store's problem and they got bulk so better economies of scale probably on the overboxing. Due to mail order, my recycle is at max, every time I take it to the curb.

But I do not want to bag my own, that seems a step in the wrong direction for me, customer satisfaction wise.


Plastic bottles can be recycled, plastic bags very difficult.

OnTheEdge OnTheEdge
1 week ago

Paper bags have been recycled for years..why ban them too?.. cus they are very expensive for retailers


Let’s not forget to bring your own bags into stores, like Marshall’s. A lady had a cart full of clothes & dumped them all into her trunk bagless. Lowes for example replaced plastic with paper bags but I learned not all stores are doing that.

Feeling good Feeling good
7 days ago

As recent as Sunday Marshalls was using paper bags. Stopped?

OnTheEdge OnTheEdge
7 days ago

I have my groceries delivered each week. This past week they were delivered in the store’s new bags. They were very heavy compared to the white plastic ones. These new bags were stuffed full, one weighing 17 pounds, the other 6 pounds. I only weighed two bags, but the rest of the bags were equally heavy. I much prefer the white plastic as I reuse them for all kinds of purposes. For medical reasons I am supposed to keep what I lift to 7 pounds. I’m quite sure I am not the only one with this problem. I hope this trend ends very soon.

Spring fever Spring fever
7 days ago

Department stores can use paper bags, just not grocery stores above a certain very small square footage.

ianimal ianimal
7 days ago

+1 Babit! We too do curbside every week - we were doing this long before the pandemic. We are disgusted that the state didn't think this aspect through with having a surplus of heavier, reusable bags that most people might just toss in the garbage, adding to more landfill problems.

We will donate ours to the food pantries for now but I would imagine that only solves the issue short-term.

There has to be a better solution for curbside grocery pickup…why can’t they hold the order in their carts or those stackable plastic totes on wheels and transfer the items directly into boxes or bags in our vehicle? I would even transfer the items myself.


Jules
You do realize that the majority of customers who use curbside pickup and home delivery are disabled and elderly. Your suggestion works great for the too lazy to shop crowd but the elderly and disabled would be put at huge disadvantage if they had to unload groceries from a cart into boxes or their own bags..almost like a 3rd world country situation


Bug- I am not lazy, elderly or disabled and curbside and home delivery are part of my everyday life. It’s called time constraints, spending more quality time with family and convenience. Has nothing to do with lazy. Your premise is 100% flawed.

CraftBeerBob CraftBeerBob
7 days ago

My premise about elderly and handicapped being at a disadvantage? Compared to healthy people who don't want to shop for whatever reason?.. cool..just be happy that you are able-bodied enough to transfer groceries from a tote to your own bags or boxes..it will be a great workout for you but you would completely lose the advantage of curbside pickup


Bug3, before you make comments like that, you should always realize that you never know what anyone’s situation is. This is the problem with so many people today but that’s another post. I happen to shop for several elderly family members and because of this, it’s easier for me to do the curbside pick up because the orders can be so large. I am not suggesting that everyone should have to load their own groceries but it would be nice to give the customer the option to minimize the wastefulness of all of these heavier bags.


Jules

Bring your own bags and transfer the groceries


Maybe the stores should make accommodations for the disabled and the elderly. Sure it wouldn’t be to hard to figure out. As for everyone else “ bag it up”, stop crying. 30 years ago everyone bagged the groceries. Nobody died.


I plan on throwing all my useable bags in the ocean every week just as a point to Murphy this law is retarded and still won’t solve anything, but is purely politics.

Not today Not today
6 days ago

Not Today, you’re comment is very immature!! I have no problem using reusable bags to protect the oceans !! And leaving a better earth for my grandchildren and great grandchildren!! Grow up!!!

Havaclue17 Havaclue17
6 days ago

Havaclue, most people share your sentiment. But until the *world* is onboard and doing their part, and not dumping their garbage directly into the ocean, literally nothing will change. This is a useless law that burdens the general public already exhausted from a global pandemic and inflation.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
6 days ago

I applaud the law; it’s just not in a workable form for curbside which is a new-ish and size-able revenue stream and market. Fix the implementation here, less bags not more, that’s all I ask.


I'd like to think that every little bit we can do is worth trying. Let's give this new process some time, see how it works. People need to give it a chance and also adjust our routines a bit. Perhaps it'll turn out to be a worthwhile attempt or it won't. It can be amended or adjusted if too many hardships or obstacles are encountered.

Lonesome Dove Lonesome Dove
6 days ago

100 million marine animals die each year from plastic waste alone. 100,000 marine animals die from getting entangled in plastic yearly – this is just the creatures we find! 1 in 3 marine mammal species get found entangled in litter, 12-14,000 tons of plastic are ingested by North Pacific fish yearly.

This should be workable - even if it takes some tweaking - and there is so much more to do

4catmom 4catmom
6 days ago

How many Mansfield Township Shop Rite bags wind up in the North Pacific?

From: https://www.dw.com/en/multinationals-polluting-oceans-with-plastic-in-the-philippines/a-40638102

"A McKinsey study published in 2015 ranked the Philippines as the third worst plastic polluter of the world's oceans, behind China and Indonesia. Thailand, Vietnam and Malaysia also made it into the top 10."

This is akin to forcing people in the northeast to conserve water because of the extreme drought conditions in the Colorado River basin. One has absolutely no impact on the other, good or bad.

ianimal ianimal
6 days ago

Unless china and India stop polluting, we will not see the needle move one bit.

Consigliere
6 days ago

Exactly

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
6 days ago

This whole thing reminds me of the old "Eat your vegetables, people are starving in Africa" rationale.

My answer, "Send the vegetables to Africa."

Maybe, just maybe, plastic should be banned in Asia.

Courtney1 Courtney1
6 days ago

So, let's see how we can ignore personal responsibility and blame someone else. Just because the other countries aren't doing what you consider adequate steps to alleviate the problems then your answer will be if they aren't I won't either. Whatever we can do in our small part of the world to help the environment, the quality of living, or the harm done to nature we should do as a matter of pride that you care about the people and world around you. The choice is yours how you live your life and how it affects the people around you even if they aren't loved ones.


well put MK

4catmom 4catmom
6 days ago

Soo
How do plastic bags and straws from warren county get into the ocean?


MK you can still do all that. Just stop forcing it on everyone else when it literally wont matter.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
6 days ago

bug,
is that a serious question?

if so, the last time I checked all of the rivers and streams in warren county end up in the ocean.

2cents
6 days ago

All the rivers and streams in Warren County end up in the Delaware River. However, the Delaware only really flows as far south as Trenton, at which point it becomes tidal and more of an estuary than a river past Philadelphia and Wilmington, DE all the way through Delaware Bay to Cape May.

The mathematics of the probabilistic model for such things is way beyond my pay-grade, but the length of time it would take debris to churn the 150 or so miles from Trenton to the Atlantic Ocean proper would probably be measured in thousands of years.

ianimal ianimal
6 days ago

3wbdwnj, how could it not matter? Your resistance to change for the good of everyone is the reason they mandate it. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I do not believe changes to people's behavior even when good for the future of everyone come easily and because of people's lack of willingness to change what they do makes the requirement mandated so at least a dent is made in the issue. Change is uncomfortable and inconvenient but sometimes necessary if there will be a reasonable future for everyone. It will never be perfect, or the problems fully corrected but that doesn't mean we can't try to help.


Go for it MK. I am thinking of a phrase that involves relieving oneself and a flagpole.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
6 days ago

Again. Imo polluting less is better than polluting more.

I find it hard to believe that this new law
bothers some so much. I would like the broken parts fixed, but applaud the law. I’m glad to help pollute less especially if the cost in time and money is miniscule. More than willing to help set a better example for the future.

Keep measuring, weighing, computing the odds by the micron, and blaming others if that works for you. I choose to help to pollute less. Joyfully.


3wbdwnj, we are the Borg, resistance is futile LOL


Babit - totally agree with you ---= really hard to understand

4catmom 4catmom
6 days ago

It's no big deal IMO .Home Cheapo and Dollar Tree are using paper bags in case you forget to bring your own . If governor Goldman Sachs bans gasoline powered lawn equipment like California did then it becomes more problematic as many people with large lawns can't afford to shell out 5K or more for battery powered equipment without the range needed to finish the job - and lawn contractors may as well just go out of business .

If the tree huggers want everything to be electric then they shouldn't be hypocrites against nuclear power . Electric cars pollute at the power plant instead of the tailpipe .Sunshine and wind only goes so far with the extreme loads that would be put on the grid with a total switch to electric.


@97xbam the people making these laws are profiting off of them. Take a look at the stocks that these politicians are invested in. They don't care about the environment, the bottom line is money nobody gives a damn.

Pretzels Pretzels
5 days ago

I can't believe the amount of self aggrandizing environmental grandstanding taking place on this thread. We do not need more government regulation. We need more personal responsibility. Most of the waste in the oceans is from 3rd world countries where sanitation has no or little regulation. Some areas do not have landfills, or incinerators. For example; in Peru and India, fully loaded garbage trucks will back up to a river bank and unload, but my shoprite bag is to blame.

We can also argue about; the energy required to manufacture reusable or paper bags, the cost to consumers for said bags, the sanitary nature of plastic bags when that chicken container leaks...

Where does it stop? Should we ban single use drink containers as well? All this green nonsense is just to make YOU feel good... It does nothing for the environment.


I don't get why everyone freaks out over "climate change" when the earth could literally be obliterated by a big enough asteroid at any point in time, or a strong enough solar flare could take out our atmosphere- a super volcano eruption could wipe most of us out! If we're going to make this world a better place while we're still on it, I think our best bet would be to stop breeding.

Pretzels Pretzels
5 days ago

I've been using my reusable bags before it became a law, just a big animal lover. @OP yes, we should ban them as well as hold other countries just as accountable. We need to keep this garbage out of the ocean before it become's too acidic to sustain life. But you're right, it's basically pointless because there are just too many people on the planet. Hence why I think we need to stop having so many children

Pretzels Pretzels
5 days ago

Talk about a conspiracy - Plastic bags aren't 'banned', only the big stores aren't allowed to GIVE them out. We can still bring them IN to use them. So what kind of a BAN is that? These stores are not only SAVING money from not providing their customers bags, they're also making a profit by now SELLING bags to their suckers..eh I mean, customers to use. Everything costs twice as much these days and now we also have to pay to carry their over-priced items! Especially during covid, these are the same stores that were allowed to be open and make money. The profit made by these stores over the last few years has to be quite the pretty penny!!!

Angry Shopper
5 days ago

Pretzels, if your concerned about overpopulation, why don’t you do something about it? You could easily reduce the population size by one. But I suppose you’re life is more valuable. Got it.

The fact that so many people are completely missing the point about 3rd world pollution is frustrating. The vast majority of bags in the US get recycled. An enormous portion of those bags that DONT get recycled are thrown in the garbage and end up in landfills. The amount of single use bags that are used in the US, get littered, and actually end up in the ocean is minuscule. Contrast that with countries like India that purposefully dump trash directly into the ocean. Can you see the difference yet?

If you want to actually help the environment and stop the (extremely) small amount of bags we use from ending up in the ocean, raise the fine for littering to $20,000. Problem solved.

Consigliere
5 days ago

And yet, polluting less is still better than polluting more, IMO.

You can make excuses, you can blame others more worthy, but that will always be true.

I would like less pollution everywhere. In the air, on the land, in our water ways.


and people are dying in Ukraine

4catmom 4catmom
5 days ago

So when we have to throw out our garbage for the day, left-over food, junk from the frig, cat litter, what are we supposed to put it in before it hits the trash can or dumpster?!

Just dump it all in the outdoor trash container or dumpster?

are they for real?

Hackresident Hackresident
5 days ago

That was my point. I always reused the bags for trash. Now I just need to buy trash bags. Still using bags.

Kimberlysea Kimberlysea
5 days ago

Re: New bag law.

The late great George Carlin's thoughts on plastic .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rld0KDcan_w


Carlin was great - two part documentary about him coming up on HBO starting on the 20th

4catmom 4catmom
4 days ago

Yep take away free garbage bags to get you to now pay for garbage bags. About as asinine as believing taking away Fulll serve at the pumps will drastically lower gas prices. Sheep will get what sheep deserve.


We' go from the sea and landfills being with fewer plastic bags, to:

Infestations of cockroaches and vultures in garbage cans and dumpsters with loose food in the cans, and also loose rotten food thrown down on the ground to stay as the garbage trucks drop out all loose, spoiled food on the ground + not into their trucks!!

Hackresident Hackresident
2 days ago

Re: New bag law.

ShopRite won’t give me a plastic bag for my groceries but they can sell me string beans in this plastic bag.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
2 days ago

Go ahead, poke the bear ;-). Soon they will put the loose beans in your reusable bag.


3wdbwnj just wanted to let you know, Shoprite to make the law


3wdbwnj--GOD FORBID any of us are asked to take on even the smallest inconvenience to reduce the use of plastic that is choking our planet.
Good thing thinking like yours wasn’t prevalent in the early ‘40’s.
We’d all be speaking German.


You *still* don't get it guys. I’m all for reducing waste. It’s just a pointless law because in the grand scheme of things, there’s so much more plastic out there than these bags. Immeasurable amounts. NJ is looking in the wrong direction to fix this problem.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
2 days ago

Our entire way of life revolves around plastics. We aren’t going to go back. Plastics are here to stay.

Consigliere
1 day ago

i hope they sell a set of 50 or 100 small plastic bags on Amazon or Ebay. Does anyone know --- I haven't looked yet.

Hackresident Hackresident
1 day ago

Hack, I bought a 1000ct box in Feb. for $35 on Amazon

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
1 day ago

3wb; if you’re all for reducing waste, then how can you be against reducing waste via this law?

Even if there are better things to do. Even if other countries waste more. Doesn’t this still reduce waste?


@3wbdwnj You got ripped off big time. A 1,000ct box of new bags is at least half the price on eBay, free shipping too.

WompWomp WompWomp
1 day ago

Stymie…I clean up a 150 yard section of road in front of my home every year and pick up a contractor size bag of plastic bottle, bags & aluminum cans. It’s to much work to carry 4 bags to the ShopRite.


No, Babit, it doesn’t reduce waste. As we have seen from the Instacart, et Al crowd, we are getting inundated with the reusable bags to the point people are going to start throwing them out. Furthermore, studies have shown that in areas with these laws in place, the sale of new plastic bags (ie garbage bags) almost doubles which means we are just trading one plastic bag that may get a second use in life for a nice new plastic bag that will only get one use in its life.


Babit because I use them for the often leaky milk container, the wet fresh meat packages, ice cream, rotisserie chickens that leak, etc. to be placed in a REUSABLE BAG I CANNOT WASH. You do you.

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
1 day ago

I get it. I reuse them too but too many, can’t reuse all.

If jnnjr is right, too bad those didn’t get to the eight states that banned the bags.

Less pollution is better. I have plenty of other bags for spilt milk. You only have too many reusable bags if process is broken.

Do people really use these tiny single use bags for garbage? Seems small and flimsy for my kitchen trash can? Maybe powder room, scraps n such, but a glad bag replacement? Although I try to avoid putting organics in inorganic containers before tossing.

Then again, we could just pony up snd pay for single use biodegradable bags, but can’t imagine you want to spend money to pollute less.

Still like the new law once they work the curbside kinks out.


“Then again, we could just pony up snd pay for single use biodegradable bags, but can’t imagine you want to spend money to pollute less.”

Trader Joe’s already did this before the ban (Not really a “ban,” is it?) without paying up for them.
If they could do it…

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
1 day ago

3wb: not quite. They replaced their vegetable plastic bags with biodegradable‘s. They switched their single use shopping bags for paper bags, I might support thar.

I was a big supporter of paper bags and would rather have gone that way however there is scientific evidence that the entire process of making and throwing out paper bags is worse for the environment than plastic. I believe it’s mostly in the manufacturing process.

I cannot validate this is true, but obviously one would have to know before advocating. I always like the idea of paper because I like the idea of growing trees. Not to mention you can recycle paper, and it’s biodegradable, although not as quickly as we would like once its oxygen deprived in the landfill.


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