Hackettstown Marijuana Dispensary

Haven’t seen or heard anything about anyone trying to get one going in town since recreational was legalized. Anyone hear anything? Maybe the cbd shops and vape shops will take care of it? Lots of empty storefronts in this town. Could be a lucrative business in due time.

Englishe30 Englishe30
Mar '21

No can do in Hackettstown. The town council passed a resolution creating a 5 year moratorium prohibiting cannabis sales in town. I believe it was passed in 2019.

I believe it was 5 years if I recall correctly.

Greg
Mar '21

Greg, if so, that would have to be repassed by the town. The new legalization law basically wiped out any bans instituted before the law was passed.

Jnnjr Jnnjr
Mar '21

A town or municipality can allow or not allow any type of business the chose I believe. While cannabis may be legal in NJ individual towns can determine if a dispensary can operate within its jurisdiction as far as I understand.

Greg
Mar '21

If a town bans a legal product, they are fascist.

LibertarianismRules LibertarianismRules
Mar '21

The town is not banning a legal product. They are not allowing the retail sale, for a period of time, of a "legal" product.


Greg with the new law the town’s old ordinance is void and the town has 180days to create a new ordinance. The town can limit the number, which zone they are located in or ban them all together. We have had some meeting with interested parties that want to open cultivation in town and are drafting a new ordinance. More to come in the next few weeks/months

Jim L Jim L
Mar '21

I was just researching that caveat. I did find the prior ordinance in the Land Development side. I stand corrected.

B. Marijuana cultivation facilities, marijuana production or manufacturing
facilities, marijuana testing facilities, and retail marijuana stores are
prohibited in all zone districts.

It will be interesting to hear what may be proposed moving forward.


Sounds like a great opportunity for a local tax.

CraftBeerBob CraftBeerBob
Mar '21

"They are not allowing the retail sale, for a period of time, of a "legal" product."

Yeah. Exactly. They are banning sale of a product that is legal for adults to use. Like alcohol and tobacco are.

LibertarianismRules LibertarianismRules
Mar '21

Wouldnt surprise me if the town passed on the revenue. I think we’re all used to going to Morris county for the win.

Steve Steve
Apr '21

I spoke with an employee of the little CBD shop near the pretzel place on Mountain Ave., and he said that the owner has every intention of including CANNABIS on the menu. However, the other shop they have is located in Sparta, so if Hackettstown is dragging their heels on this, then it'll only be the Sparta store that offers it, assuming Sparta allows for retail sales.

C'mon Hackettstown, it's time to enter the 21st century and move forward with this, it's a foregone conclusion that CANNABIS will be nationally legal in the not too distant future, so don't be one of the towns on the list of holdouts.

only one truth
Apr '21

Seems like it would be foolish to not let any of it happen in this town. All those empty buildings on Bilby would be great for cultivating and processing. Any of the many empty storefronts in town would make a great dispensary. Seems like a good revenue maker for the town.

englishe30 englishe30
Apr '21

when the town decided to vote to wait it was mainly because there was no law, there was a proposed law that kept getting changed and we had a deadline to make a decision before the final draft was adopted. Because there were so many uncertainties the town felt it was best to take a wait-and-see approach and see how it plays out.

this time around they are doing it right, there is a law on the books and now towns can read the law and have 180 days to decide. There are clear directions on what we as a town can do to place limits on the number, limits on which zone they can go in, and a clear understanding of what revenue we as a town can get via the municipal tax.

So it was not that the town was against the idea when it was first discussed years ago, it was we had no clue what we were saying yes to as the drafts of the law were changing almost weekly. Now that there is a clear law on the books, the town can come up with a game plan that would be a win win for the residents.

Jim L. Jim L.
Apr '21

Jim L. Thanks for the input. Completely understandable years back. Glad to see it’s on the table and there is some legitimacy to it.

Englishe30 Englishe30
Apr '21

I hate to play devil's advocate here but doesn't that mean at the time the town was against opening medical dispensaries as it was the only option?

Yesimpc Yesimpc
Apr '21

Musical Interlude #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeYsTmIzjkw


Lol CBGB

Yeah, if it becomes legal (and I mean as “legal” as tobacco) then it’s only a matter of time. Besides, there will be plenty of people who plant 5 or 6 plants in their yard and grow it themselves. Cant stop the green wave...

Consigliere
Apr '21

Consigliere....can’t stop, won’t stop. Team green!

Englishe30 Englishe30
Apr '21

I know it's going to be hard to enforce consigliere, but just remember nj is the only state with recreational/medical you can't home grow. Not even medical patients.

Yesimpc Yesimpc
Apr '21

For those interested in this topic, the town council will be introducing an ordinance at Thursday's council meeting.


you can find the agenda and login instructions for the meeting here

https://www.hackettstown.net/mayor-town-council/agenda/mayor-town-council-agenda-34

Jim L Jim L
Apr '21

I grew up in Hackettstown but have been living in Oregon for decades. I've been following NJ legalization efforts for some time. We're allowed 4 plants per household. They must be out of public view and not less than 1000 ft. from a school.
If NJ residents are allowed to grow it would open up some business opportunities for small garden supply shops that specialize in soil, fertilizer, lights, etc. for cannabis.
As a first time grower, I grew 4 plants outdoors last year and it was harder than I imagined. I had a successful harvest however and this year I'm only growing 2 plants. We can buy female clones (starts) in some of the local dispensaries. It's a lot easier than growing from seed.

We have 4 dispensaries in our little town of 16,000. None of them are located in the downtown area but are spread out in the industrial parts of town. That was a decision by local government.

oregonxnj oregonxnj
Apr '21

I am still confused how something federally illegal can be state legal?

Darrin Darrin
Apr '21

Darrin I had a similar question- where would shop owners put their cash? Can they deposit these profits in a Federally Insured bank?


I am in the same boat as you Darrin.

It creates a host of issues.

DOT medical clearances are Federal....CDL drivers and drivers of vehicles over 10,000lbs interstate need DOT clearance.

Have a FID card? Federal....hence, cant do it.

So even though the State says yes, the Feds say no.

Lets face it, people get it now at whatever the cost is. As soon as the legal route is more expensive due to taxes etc, the black market will win.

So this may be a panacea for some, it doesn't change anything for a lot of people.

summerhelp summerhelp
Apr '21

summerhelp,

the FID card (Firmarms Purchasers Identification Card) is state issued, not federal.

Bemused Bemused
Apr '21

Bemused,
You are correct in that the state issues the FID however federal firearms laws prohibit it.

summerhelp summerhelp
Apr '21

A bill was just approved to address the banking issues: https://www.reuters.com/business/us-house-representatives-approves-cannabis-banking-bill-2021-04-19/

Still needs to pass the Senate, but this is a ray of hope and step in the right direction for dispensary owners as states continue to legalize.

somechik1 somechik1
Apr '21

Black market already offering home delivery. So many places serving all of NJ. Who cares what the State or towns decide to do. Their loss.

Steve Steve
Apr '21

It would be awesome then if the town would use the money and actually invest in the town instead of stockpiling.

Old school Old school
Apr '21

The town is investing several hundred of thousands of dollars in capital improvement projects. It does so nearly every year. Also, in my opinion "stockpiling" has done quite well for our town's current financial health as it is excellent.

Check out tonight's council meeting for more info.
https://www.hackettstown.net/sites/g/files/vyhlif646/f/uploads/april_22_council_meeting_agenda.pdf


Lol we just introduced the ordinance and we’re already being accused of stockpiling the money. Can’t win on HL

The revenue received will go towards capital improvements.

And as Greg has pointed out stockpiling a nice capital improvements fund has allowed the town to pay as you go when improvements are needed rather than issue bonds which raises taxes.

Jim L Jim L
Apr '21

What some call stockpiling others call conservative spending. Lol

Friendly mcface Friendly mcface
May '21

Lot's of cash, lot's of hip people, no chance of anything going wrong. Put it in the building across from the Police Station. Think of the tax money from moving violations.

One-Eyed Poacher One-Eyed Poacher
May '21

Why would it involve lots of cash? And why would there be moving violations? Are there lots of moving violations generated from the liquor stores?


Looking forward to being able to peacefully smoke a joint while taking my dog for a walk around the neighborhood.

Jimbo Jimbo
May '21

Good luck eith that

Bug3
May '21

Not sure how recreational laws will work - but medicinal marijuana laws allow the user to consume cannabis wherever cigarette smokers can light up.

Jimbo Jimbo
May '21

recreational weed would be treated like alcohol, can't smoke in public places. Medical weed is treated like cigarettes, can smoke anywhere but "no smoking sections" ie. Schools, parks, beaches, indoor public places.

Jim L. Jim L.
May '21

Ah makes sense. Figure try to keep the riff raff to a minimum. Thanks for the clarity Jim!

Jimbo Jimbo
May '21

https://www.hackettstown.net/sites/g/files/vyhlif646/f/uploads/may_27_council_packet_and_agenda.pdf

For those interested in the topic, the Town will have its public meeting on the new proposed ordinance at the May 27 Town Council meeting. The agenda, zoom log-in info, and proposed ordinance can be found on the link above which is on the town's home page.

This ordinance will just address cultivation. Medical and recreational dispensaries will be addressed in future ordinances. Towns have until August to create ordinances on this subject.

Jim L Jim L
May '21

So you you might be able to buy weed from the dispensary, but you can’t grow a plant in your back yard. What’s next, petunias?

Indie Indie
May '21

What next you may ask Indie?

How about some massage parlors, go-go bars and pawn shops? We already have the check cashing and tattoo shops the town said would never be here.

Build H'town back better

One-Eyed Poacher One-Eyed Poacher
May '21

How about a porn shop? Are you with me?

Sacks cousin
May '21

the slippery slope, what next indeed. restaurants serving liquor?
or even worse this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z32qoXnaBz0

yes it's a musical interlude


Honestly don’t see this happening. We are stuck In the 1950s here in many ways. Change never seems to be welcome or accommodated despite the changes happening.

For reals For reals
May '21

CBGB
Now I can’t get that song out of my head !!!! Thanks

Local Gal Local Gal
May '21

CBGB LOL! Cookies and weed!

That's right up there with this classic...

A smoke and a pancake? You know, a flapjack and a cigarette? Cigar and a waffle? Pipe and a crepe? Bong and a blintz? Well, then there's no pleashing you.


We need a Marijuana dispensary in Hackettstown. Seems like this town is stuck in a rut and doesn’t like change.

Pampurr Pampurr
May '21

“ Seems like this town is stuck in a rut and doesn’t like change”

Pam I would suggest you read my post along with the link. The town is passing its first ordinance to allow cultivation in town this week and is working on ordinances to address medical and recreational dispensaries.

Jim L Jim L
May '21

“ Honestly don’t see this happening”

Oh it’s happening For reals.

Jim L Jim L
May '21

Good to hear Jim!

Pampurr Pampurr
May '21

Why don't they just name it to "Hackettstown Slacker Dispensary"...


The town passed the ordinance last night to allow cultivation in Hackettstown. We already have an interested party that is looking to purchase the 180,000 sq ft old Compac building on bilby road.

This company will bring in 150-200 high-paying jobs to Hackettstown and provide the town with a 3% tax. It looks to be a great partnership for the town.

Jim L. Jim L.
May '21

Glad to hear it! Glad to see the town finally embracing something that has multiple benefits while bringing jobs to the community.

Jimbo Jimbo
May '21

So glad to her that building will be used !


So awesome to hear! This will bring so much needed income and jobs.

Steve Steve
May '21

Great news! Is cultivation commercial or personal? Does this apply to Mansfield? “ Hackettstown “ can be from Budd Lake to Karrsville. Even though Hackettstown is only a couple (2?) square miles, the name covers about 70 miles. If anyone finds a link that applies to Mansfield, I’d greatly appreciate it. Thanks! Have fun, feel good, don’t eat too much junk and stay out of trouble!

Guilty-Remnant Guilty-Remnant
May '21

Hackettstown “the name” does not cover 70 miles. It covers about 35 sq miles. Hackettstown passed an ordinance so it covers Hackettstown the town. Other towns may share the zip code but that’s it. Each town has their own local government.

Walking Girl Walking Girl
May '21

According to the law you can not legally grow any amount at home.

Indie Indie
May '21

Thanks, Indie and Walking Girl! My judgment of distance is not good.

Guilty-Remnant Guilty-Remnant
May '21

It’s a Hackettstown town ordinance that only cover Hackettstown. Which is 3.5 square miles.

It is only for commercial cultivation

Jim L Jim L
May '21

Sorry for the confusion. I meat to state the 07840 covers 35 square miles. As Jim L pointed out the town is 3.5 square miles.

Walking Girl Walking Girl
May '21

Ok. Gotcha. Thanks Everyone!

Guilty-Remnant Guilty-Remnant
May '21

Home grow laws will change.

Steve Steve
May '21

They really need to open it up. Someone can make beer but they can't grow Marijuana?


I'm sure people are growing it all over the place as we speak. Much less worry because it's legal to smoke, so why the hell not grow some on your back porch and save some $$$

Forcefed4door Forcefed4door
May '21

The state doesn’t want people to grow MJ at home because they can’t collect the tax on it that way. It’s all about the greenback when it comes to state operations. Just look at how greedy the state was during discussions about how much to tax MJ during legalization talks.


It's odd, to me, that the town is OK for growing Marijuana to be sold in other towns but might not want a dispensary itself.

OnTheEdge OnTheEdge
May '21

It’s actually a little more difficult to grow than you think. If you’re concerned about quality that is.

Steve Steve
May '21

On the edge, did the town decide not to allow dispensaries? I thought I read somewhere above that it was still in the discussion?

Richie
May '21

Richie, It is still in discussion. Councilman Lambo stated that other ordinances related to cannabis here in town are forthcoming.


The town addressed cultivation first as there were interested parties looking to buy buildings in town but didn’t want to buy them until they were sure the town would allow it.

Medical and recreational dispensaries will be addressed in future ordinances. All ordinances will be in place by the August 22nd deadline the state set.

Jim L Jim L
May '21

@Jim L

Thanks Jim for your information, I trust your accuracy. I (for one), am someone who is looking to secure one of those pending jobs you spoke of. After decades of working at jobs that were unfulfilling and uninspiring, I'm very much looking forward to finding work in an industry that I can fully support and feel good about.

Helping to mitigate the erroneous stigma and demonization that continues to surround cannabis would be a pleasure, and a great way of finishing my working life. The sooner the wheels start rolling, the better.

only one truth
Jun '21

An Ordinance regarding dispensaries is being drafted with the goal to have it presented at the June 24th Council meeting (I'm not sure if it will be ready for the June 10th meeting). If approved by the council at that meeting then it will be scheduled for the July or August meeting for public comment before its finally adopted. The deadline to get all ordinances on the books is August 22nd and the last meeting for Hackettstown would the August 12th meeting as that is our last meeting before the August 22nd deadline

Again, towns can pass ordinances, limiting the number of dispensaries, limiting them to just medical or recreations, limiting them what "zone" they can go in, or not allowing them at all.

Jim L. Jim L.
Jun '21

I'm with only one truth. Possible life/career cahnging moment here. Jim L. Any idea who is going in the warehouses on Bilby?

englishe30 englishe30
Jun '21

Boomers won't care. Long as they can profit off the taxes is all that matters. So bring it on already.

callitlikeIseeit callitlikeIseeit
Jun '21

English30 we meet with 2 companies, both were interested in buying the old compaq building. I’m not sure which one will end up buying it but both companies were very impressive. Probably not worth naming them until we see which one got the building and I’m not sure if the losing bidder will find another building in town or go elsewhere

Jim L Jim L
Jun '21

So a well established enterprise? Thanks.

Englishe30 Englishe30
Jun '21

Callitlikeoseeit, " Boomers won't care. Long as they can profit off the taxes is all that matters. So bring it on already." Actually Boomers DO care. You would be very, very surprised at the large number of Boomers who indulge on a regular basis. We grew up with it and have continued consuming throughout the years. Some still smoke or vape it while others of us have switched to edibles. It would be wonderful to be able to legally obtain it locally so we could enjoy retirement without having to go out of town for it.

Stubborn Stubborn
Jun '21

Oh yea English they are large, publicly traded, established companies. They already have cultivation and dispensaries throughout the country and looking to open in NJ.

Jim L Jim L
Jun '21

Curaleaf?

Steve Steve
Jun '21

I still have my NORML pin. I’m dating myself....shhhh.

Guilty-Remnant Guilty-Remnant
Jun '21

For those interested, the town council will
Be introducing an ordinance at tonight’s town council meeting to address dispensaries. Zoom log in info can be found in town’s website

If passed by council tonight it will be up for public comment before final adoption at our July meeting

As mentioned before, towns have until August 22nd to pass any/all ordinances regarding cannabis

The cultivation company that purchased the Compac building on bilby road has submitted its application to the Land Use Board and will most like be at the July 27th Land Use board meeting

So plenty of activity in town. Please attend meetings to learn more

Jim L Jim L
Jun '21

Massive taxes on something you can grow on your own. You can make your own beer but not weed?


I'd be interested in the direction council is thinking. I understand Mansfield Township passed an ordinance last night to ban any cannabis related business there.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YFHw0J9snwWP20RFqWRURyyk4ioHLPbd/edit?fbclid=IwAR2n5qMd2EIW_H8YTGJfKKBB_c945DTskCvccG1mzdc4DvjO_aJhbDjqhmI

I would gather during some of the informal conversations with the cultivation company that will be operating on Bilby road that an indication of the forthcoming ordinance was discussed. Not that it would deter that company from moving forward if the town chooses to ban or place a moratorium on it, but If I was that applicant I would like to understand and get a barometer on the position the town was leaning toward prior to moving forward with that application. Either way it won't really impact their business model too much I would think.


…“ ban any cannabis related business there.”….Mansfield is SO 1980s. Oh well, thanks for the updates, Jim!

Guilty-Remnant Guilty-Remnant
Jun '21

English30,

Now that the purchaser of the building is public record and they have submitted their application to the LUB board, which is also public record, I can share the name of the company:

https://www.gtigrows.com/

Jim L Jim L
Jun '21

Greg, in my opinion, banning a legal product will not prevent that product from coming into your town's borders. So your residents will just drive to a neighboring town, spend their money there, and bring it back into your town. So all you are doing with the ban is having money leave your town and losing out on the municipal tax revenue.

for example, Manfield bans the sale of it and for argument's sake Hackettstown allows dispensaries,. So a Mansfield resident crosses into Hackettstown to purchase the product and then goes back to Mansfield to consume it. So what exactly did that ban accomplish?

A wise thing to do would be to limit the number of dispensaries, limit their locations, place restrictions on their hours of operation, restrict their signage, etc. All of which towns are able to do with their ordinances.

Jim L Jim L
Jun '21

Exactly., Jim. I was thinking just that as I learned of the ban in a neighboring town. In my opinion the approach you detailed is clearly the most logical way for a municipality to move forward. Beyond the revenue side for the town including potential jobs and increased ancillary businesses, it also adds yet another amenity to our multi faceted offerings here in Hackettstown. It's smart, progressive thinking.


Thank you Jim

englishe30 englishe30
Jun '21

NICE ! I used to work for GTI! Great company!

Dan30 Dan30
Jun '21

Jim is 100% correct on how towns or at the least this town should handle dispensaries. Limit the amount and location. The state is losing tons of revenue as is with all the gifting services, gas stations, and smoke shops selling it already.

Steve Steve
Jun '21

The bigger problem is Manfield isn't the only town banning cannabis related business.

Looks like a tidal wave of them doing the same ... narrowing down to which town & where? (to be the first/model 'pot' town of NJ to go to)

So far, just a few who placed such bans: Washington Township, Byram, Sparta, Roxbury, etc. within this area....

aol123@aol.com aol123@aol.com
Jun '21

My 2 cents: Some municipalities are hesitant to "opt in" because the State of NJ has not set the "rules" yet. There is some movement in the legislature to push the August deadline for the opt "in"/"out" for municipalities by 60 days so that municipalities can review the "rules".

Effectively, the State has set a deadline but they have not done their half of the job yet. If the municipality opts "out", they can opt "in" at any time. If they opt "in", they are stuck for something like 5 years. Seeing how Trenton operates, I'd hesitate to sign on before I knew the "deal".

As far as the panacea of revenue, there will be some no doubt but most households have some sort of budget. Recreational use would fall under disposable income part of the budget (vacations, beer, going out to dinner etc). This will represent a shift in spending from one area to another (some folks might buy less beer or go out to dinner less often etc )so those sectors will lose while this sector gains. On a smaller scale, the town with the facility will definitely win. On a larger scale, the State that allows it wins but again, it comes at an expense to something.

The shift from buying it on the black market to the legal market is great. Hopefully NJ doesn't levy too many taxes/fees on it as people will move back to the black market where they were already getting before NJ legalized it.

summerhelp summerhelp
Jun '21

"This will represent a shift in spending from one area to another (some folks might buy less beer or go out to dinner less often etc )so those sectors will lose while this sector gains."

This assumes that most people who will frequent legal dispensaries aren't already spending money every month on cannabis. The revenue is already out there; the only thing that will change is where it goes.

ianimal ianimal
Jun '21

Assuming people dont take the tax free route like they have since the beginning of time

Bug3
Jun '21

So the town introduced the ordinance last night.

it would allow for 2 recreational dispensaries (1 in the HC zone and 1 in the CC zone) and 1 medical dispensary

it would limit them to just the Highway Commercial and Community Commercial zones in town (Mountain Ave, Rt 57, Stiger St areas) Nothing on Main Street.
it would limit their hours of operation from 9am-9pm
it would limit them from being within 1000ft from any school/university
it would limit their signage and the imagery they can use to advertise
No Drive thu
No Consumption on site
No outdoor section
Business must meet with Cheif of Police prior to receiving CO to ensure proper safety and security mearsures
Town has the right to inspect the dispensary at any time to make sure they are following all proper protocols.
Town will impose a 2% municipal tax on all sales

Public meeting on the ordinance will be August 12th.

Jim L Jim L
Jun '21

Seems reasonable to start with. Im sure down the line once marijuana is normalized things will gradually change.

englishe30 englishe30
Jun '21

Why the 2% tax?

The Man The Man
Jun '21

"Why the 2% tax?"

"Because we couldn't go for 3" - Woody Hayes

:)

Jim L Jim L
Jun '21

LMAO- Jim!


"Business must meet with Cheif of Police prior to receiving CO to ensure proper safety and security mearsures
Town has the right to inspect the dispensary at any time to make sure they are following all proper protocols."

Are both of these true for any other businesses in town? Did CVS or Walgreens (who have MUCH stronger and some could argue more desirable drugs) have to submit to meeting with the Chief of PD?

"No outdoor section" - I'm assuming this is referring to an outdoor "weed garden" like Czig has, but for smoking? Does anyone know if there are restrictions in the NJ law for "public consumption"? If so, I can understand this, but if you are able to legally smoke weed on the street corner (like you can for a cigarette), this seems sort of silly.

jnnjr jnnjr
Jun '21

https://www.njlm.org/969/Cannabis-Legalization

jnnjr- I recommend you read the NJ state law and related materials. It will clear up any answers you have.


The town did not add any more restrictions then they state already put in place so if you have any problems with the ordinance contact your state representative.

In order to get their license from the STATE, dispensaries have to agree to certain requirements i which is why they are in our drafted ordinance

Jim L Jim L
Jun '21

Thanks again Jim!!!

That's a BIG GREEN THUMBS UP!!! I can't wait to find employment in some capacity with them!

only one truth
Jun '21

The drafted ordinance can be found on the town's website. Again public hearing will be on August 12th.

https://www.hackettstown.net/home/news/ordinance-21-09

Jim L. Jim L.
Jun '21

You can now order Ritz, Cheezits, candy (one package each) and it includes an ounce of Bubba Kush as a free gift for $350.00? Plus free delivery from local CBD shops with a "Gift Program". How does that work?

One-Eyed Poacher One-Eyed Poacher
Jul '21

One-Eyed Poacher...Since the beginning of the year vendors are taking advantage of the laws in place (grey area). So essentially yeah, you order lets say some cookies and you can get a free gift of somthing marijuana related. Some opperations have been shut down others have not. As for local cbd shops doing it, thats news to me. I'll have to pop in one and see whats doing.

englishe30 englishe30
Jul '21

The kids say to ask about their gift program or gifting service. Hard to believe that there's a grey area, sounds more like nonfeasance by prosecutors. To bad other businesses couldn't be tax free like buying four tires and getting the spare tire and vehicle as a gift. Eliminating all the specific taxes and just paying sales tax.

One-Eyed Poacher One-Eyed Poacher
Jul '21

Gift services abound. And an actual store in Parsippany that gifts. Last I checked there are over 100 of these services all catering to various counties.

Steve Steve
Jul '21

Atleast 100. Still got to be careful, do some research.

englishe30 englishe30
Aug '21

A recreational dispensary in town could help reduce gray market gifting deliveries here and will bring tax revenue to the town. I'd rather people purchased a product from a state-regulated/town-regulated business than going rogue and buying who-knows-what from some person gifting through an Instagram account.

SquirrelGirl SquirrelGirl
Aug '21

reminder:

The drafted ordinance can be found on the town's website. Again public hearing will be on August 12th.

https://www.hackettstown.net/home/news/ordinance-21-09

Jim L. Jim L.
Aug '21

Be careful about what?

Steve Steve
Aug '21

Don’t want to be paying excessive prices for subpar products. Just saying, don’t just randomly pick a service.

Englishe30 Englishe30
Aug '21

Nothing but top shelf products mostly sourced from Maine. Or you could wait for the state to move its ass but it won’t. So you’ll get stuck paying top dollar for mids in a dispensary just like what’s happening in the medical ones. Those people have gone grey market.

Steve Steve
Aug '21

Yes, Maine has been a great supporter. Love me some green truck. I have yet to have a bad experience with the 4 or so vendors I have tried this year. NJ's medical program is a joke, mids at best for the most part. I'm good with paying dispensary prices if the product matches up. Reddit has been a decent source to find vendors once you filter out all the bs.

englishe30 englishe30
Aug '21

Public hearing tomorrow.
https://patch.com/new-jersey/longvalley/s/hq24p/cannabis-retail-business-public-hearing-thursday-hackettstown

OnTheEdge OnTheEdge
Aug '21

Glad to see the council voted unanimously to approve ordinance 2021-09 last night. This will clear the way for retail sales of cannabis here in town.


If you can smoke cannabis anywhere you can smoke tobacco, why can't I drink bourbon anywhere I can drink water?

ianimal ianimal
Aug '21

Ianimal… I might have something to do with drunks start more fights and are more likely to act disorderly then a pot head …. Just my 2 cents …

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Aug '21

@Greg

Ditto...although I'm not certain if they approved just one store or two. Regardless, it'll be great to have a local source.

Personally, I'm hoping to derive employment from either the retail store(s) or the cultivation center that is supposedly on the horizon somewhere on Bilby Road, but when all of this actually begins to take shape is anyone's guess. I'm hoping sales begin before the end of the year, but the sooner the better.

OnlyOneTruth OnlyOneTruth
Aug '21

@Liberty

I was tempted to respond as well, but I think you've covered it well enough.

But I do want to point out that you needn't be a "pot head" to use cannabis, as there are many levels of usage, as well as multiple reasons why people use, including medical of course.

Also, I'm not certain of the laws that surround being able to smoke weed "anywhere you can smoke tobacco". But if that is indeed the case, that means smoking weed in public is still pretty limited, whereas there are multiple public places where someone can imbibe bourbon where water is also available...they're called bars.

So I'm not sure what this Ianimals gripe is.

OnlyOneTruth OnlyOneTruth
Aug '21

this is a very good thing. while I am not a pot head, it is nice to have around here and there. I just hope that it will be a small local business who sets up shop and not a corporate thing.

Ser positivo Ser positivo
Aug '21

Yea these are not mom and pop stores. This is big business that need a lot of start up capital.

Jim L Jim L
Aug '21

You missed the sarcasm... I'm not looking to drink bourbon anywhere I want. But, I think that cannabis should be treated no differently than alcohol.

To say that someone can smoke dope recreationally anywhere there's a butt box seems to me extreme. Have a little couth and keep it in private or at outdoor events like concerts where little kids won't be exposed to it.

ianimal ianimal
Aug '21

time for a musical interlude.
a fine ditty about my fave Pakalolo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gft3N9Oo6Cs


Ianimal — Did I miss a change to NJ’s recreational policy? I’ve consistently heard that recreational marijuana use in public will be treated the same as drinking in public and only allowed in designated areas.

Are you confusing the current medical marijuana laws, which allow for consumption wherever one can smoke cigarettes, with the new recreational guidelines? If so, medical patients have been allowed to do this for years and it hasn’t caused any issues. The average Joe won’t be allowed to just light up on a bench on Main Street.


Average Joe can now also pop a few gummies have a beverage or baked good. Not to mention the concentrates of refined resin, live resin etc. those are vaped and go mostly undetected. People need to stop stereotyping and using archaic analogies. If we can have beer brewing shops and local breweries we can have local cultivation and production of cannabis as well as local distribution. IE a liquor store. We have those too. Geez

Steve Steve
Aug '21

According to this, municipalities need to specifically restrict where you can use; otherwise, it defaults to the Clean Air Act.

https://www.njlm.org/Faq.aspx?QID=286

ianimal ianimal
Aug '21

Correct. Hence the introduction of Ordinance 2021-10.

https://www.hackettstown.net/sites/g/files/vyhlif646/f/uploads/skm_368e21081310270.pdf.

Prohibiting smoking of cannabis at town recreational facilities.


The state approved recreational cannabis for use privately and in places that serve alcohol. There is no “advantage” given to people who use it versus people who want to throw back a beer.

Medical marijuana patients have a bit more leeway because it is their medicine. They can smoke and vape cannabis wherever smoking is permitted.

Glad the town approved some recreational sales. It will benefit the town and its residents.

SquirrelGirl SquirrelGirl
Aug '21

Re: Hackettstown Marijuana Dispensary

Be prepared for license plate scanners (in marked or unmarked cars) at the dispensaries…. Keeping track of who’s buying. Next time you go to Hackettstown Guns to pick up a .22 for plinking you’ll be nabbed for lying on the 4473.

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Aug '21

What’s a 4473?

Indie Indie
Aug '21

4473 is the form you are required to fill out for every firearm purchase.

In addition to your personal info and the make/model/SN of what you’re buying it also asks about criminal history, straw purchasing, drug use, etc. Obviously need to answer NO to those questions otherwise you’ll be denied. Lying on the form is a federal felony. with 10 years in the clink…

So, if you are a gun owner/buyer be careful about being too brazen with where you toke up.

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Aug '21

ATF Form 4473, Firearms Transaction Record (Form 4473)


Squirrelgirl other than casinos, smoking is prohibited in places that serve alcohol, so I'm not sure you have your facts straight.

AC trips will be a lot more interesting, though... throwing bones at the Craps table with a 3-foot bong in the other hand, lol

ianimal ianimal
Aug '21

I’ve filled out quite a few 4473s just didn’t know it. I’m really not worried about the scanners. Life’s to short.

Indie Indie
Aug '21

ianimal many people who use cannabis no longer smoke it and have other ways of ingesting it. With the advent of recreational use, there will be more edibles, drinks, dry vaping of flower in vaporization devices, and cannabis-infused products. Also, at outdoor events (not necessarily in Hackettstown) that are not on town-owned grounds, if alcohol is permitted, cannabis in some forms could be as well.

SquirrelGirl SquirrelGirl
Aug '21

At private events, sure... but if I'm a bar owner, why would i let someone take up space and get high on their own supply? unless there's a way to monetize it for bar owners, I can't see them allowing it.

ianimal ianimal
Aug '21

Smoking isn’t permitted in bars so I don’t see that as an issue

Local Gal Local Gal
Aug '21

Will bar owners be allowed to serve the THC infused drinks.

CraftBeerBob CraftBeerBob
Aug '21

Re: Hackettstown Marijuana Dispensary

CBB- I would doubt is as a license from the ABC is rather specific. Perhaps they will consider amending the criteria for the license and what can be dispensed in the future.


More odor complaints;
https://amp.mycentraljersey.com/amp/5587758001

OnTheEdge OnTheEdge
Aug '21

What a joke - The last line in the odor article posted:

After many complaints, town meeting, and even the firm admit of the smell problem, the town's mayor says:

"It's not a constant problem,"..."I drove in the parking lot yesterday, and it did not smell."

~Glad they have a true leader using all his resources to thoroughly research and consider the concerns of his citizens by his 'drive by' ...sensing the air was clean, clear and just fine *to him.~

aol123@aol.com aol123@aol.com
Aug '21

Hackettstown included an odor emission standard in the ordinance and GTI presented to the Land Use Board the filtration upgrades they are doing to the building to meet those standards. It looks like from this article, the company just converted a Walmart to a cultivation without doing any upgrades and are now doing them after they got complaints. We were more proactive and required those upgrades before opening.

All things one would learn from attending meetings :)

Jim L Jim L
Aug '21

Re: Hackettstown Marijuana Dispensary

Just went to a beautiful dispensary in Illinois, tablets all over the place where you could research and place your order. at least a half dozen knowledgeable staff to help me with the different strains, etc. I can’t picture a place like this opening in Hackettstown sorry to say, but maybe and hopefully I’ll be wrong

Hadenough Hadenough
Aug '21

Well stated, Jim. That particular facility has been batted around in a few news articles. It's nonsense and simply a smear piece against that type of facility in my opinion. Besides it is very subjective and there is no real, accurate method to detect and measure levels of odor anyway other than a human nose. That place is a far cry from what will be in place here in Hackettstown for sure.

As an aside, why are folks not upset with the odor coming from Mars? I mean if I don't care for the smell of chocolate or roasting peanuts that's an issue as it wafts over town often. Many people like it and I would gather some don't. In this case some folks enjoy the odor of cannabis while some don't. Just saying! LOL.


minutes from the 7/27/21 Land Use Meeting where GTI presented their proposed upgrades to the building, including addressing the odor concerns:

Mr. Dejter testified to the following regarding odors:
• Charcoal odor mitigation system and recirculating air systems will be installed
• Each room has dedicated centralized air handling systems
• Odor mitigation system has phased gas chambers within the system that filter odors
• Rooms are sealed and are constructed with metal panels
• A building automation system will be used to monitor equipment
• Filters are changed routinely


what exciting and useful information one learns from attending meetings :)

Jim L. Jim L.
Aug '21

of course, the most impressive testimony of that meeting:


• Hours of operation will be from 8AM to 5PM Monday through Friday with select cultivation employees working on Saturday and Sunday.
• There will be approximately 100 employees working on the production and manufacturing floor and approximately 50 office employees
• Employees will be hired locally

Jim L. Jim L.
Aug '21

Great points Jim. I agree the experts were very thorough in explaining the construction details and such. This will clearly be a state of the art facility and will continue to be as they indicated any new technology in this industry will be implemented as it becomes available.

Having the staffing come locally is a great plus in addition to the overall positive impact this facility will have here. In my opinion of course.


What building is it going to occupy? I didn't see that mentioned anywhere...

ianimal ianimal
Aug '21

https://njparcels.com/property/2108/44/9

105 Bilby road. Old Compaq building.

Jim L. Jim L.
Aug '21

Does anyone if/when there will be a place to start buying?

Makomiller1984 Makomiller1984
2 weeks ago

Once NJ starts issuing licenses. Probably mid 2022 at the earliest at the pace they are going


You can buy now. www.Cannicakes.com. www.slumpedkitchen.com. https://tee-dupinc.com/

Masks Fortheugly Masks Fortheugly
2 weeks ago

That's hilarious!!! I wonder what the rates at bilby road will be...with all this state of the art stuff going on it may wind up being cheaper to hit up your local dealer. I'm sure by the time jersey starts TAXING the hell out of it it will be overpriced

itsiswhatitis
2 weeks ago

itsiswhatitis.........I believe from what I've read that the Bilby Road location if for Cultivation and not retail sales.


That is correct, Richie. All information regarding cannabis sales in town or the approved cannabis cultivation facility can be found on the town website or by attending Land Use Board meetings as well as town council meetings.


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