Hackettstown Marijuana Dispensary
Haven’t seen or heard anything about anyone trying to get one going in town since recreational was legalized. Anyone hear anything? Maybe the cbd shops and vape shops will take care of it? Lots of empty storefronts in this town. Could be a lucrative business in due time.
No can do in Hackettstown. The town council passed a resolution creating a 5 year moratorium prohibiting cannabis sales in town. I believe it was passed in 2019.
I believe it was 5 years if I recall correctly.
Greg, if so, that would have to be repassed by the town. The new legalization law basically wiped out any bans instituted before the law was passed.
A town or municipality can allow or not allow any type of business the chose I believe. While cannabis may be legal in NJ individual towns can determine if a dispensary can operate within its jurisdiction as far as I understand.
The town is not banning a legal product. They are not allowing the retail sale, for a period of time, of a "legal" product.
Greg with the new law the town’s old ordinance is void and the town has 180days to create a new ordinance. The town can limit the number, which zone they are located in or ban them all together. We have had some meeting with interested parties that want to open cultivation in town and are drafting a new ordinance. More to come in the next few weeks/months
I was just researching that caveat. I did find the prior ordinance in the Land Development side. I stand corrected.
B. Marijuana cultivation facilities, marijuana production or manufacturing
facilities, marijuana testing facilities, and retail marijuana stores are
prohibited in all zone districts.
It will be interesting to hear what may be proposed moving forward.
"They are not allowing the retail sale, for a period of time, of a "legal" product."
Yeah. Exactly. They are banning sale of a product that is legal for adults to use. Like alcohol and tobacco are.
Wouldnt surprise me if the town passed on the revenue. I think we’re all used to going to Morris county for the win.
I spoke with an employee of the little CBD shop near the pretzel place on Mountain Ave., and he said that the owner has every intention of including CANNABIS on the menu. However, the other shop they have is located in Sparta, so if Hackettstown is dragging their heels on this, then it'll only be the Sparta store that offers it, assuming Sparta allows for retail sales.
C'mon Hackettstown, it's time to enter the 21st century and move forward with this, it's a foregone conclusion that CANNABIS will be nationally legal in the not too distant future, so don't be one of the towns on the list of holdouts.
Seems like it would be foolish to not let any of it happen in this town. All those empty buildings on Bilby would be great for cultivating and processing. Any of the many empty storefronts in town would make a great dispensary. Seems like a good revenue maker for the town.
when the town decided to vote to wait it was mainly because there was no law, there was a proposed law that kept getting changed and we had a deadline to make a decision before the final draft was adopted. Because there were so many uncertainties the town felt it was best to take a wait-and-see approach and see how it plays out.
this time around they are doing it right, there is a law on the books and now towns can read the law and have 180 days to decide. There are clear directions on what we as a town can do to place limits on the number, limits on which zone they can go in, and a clear understanding of what revenue we as a town can get via the municipal tax.
So it was not that the town was against the idea when it was first discussed years ago, it was we had no clue what we were saying yes to as the drafts of the law were changing almost weekly. Now that there is a clear law on the books, the town can come up with a game plan that would be a win win for the residents.
Jim L. Thanks for the input. Completely understandable years back. Glad to see it’s on the table and there is some legitimacy to it.
I hate to play devil's advocate here but doesn't that mean at the time the town was against opening medical dispensaries as it was the only option?
Yeah, if it becomes legal (and I mean as “legal” as tobacco) then it’s only a matter of time. Besides, there will be plenty of people who plant 5 or 6 plants in their yard and grow it themselves. Cant stop the green wave...
I know it's going to be hard to enforce consigliere, but just remember nj is the only state with recreational/medical you can't home grow. Not even medical patients.
For those interested in this topic, the town council will be introducing an ordinance at Thursday's council meeting.
you can find the agenda and login instructions for the meeting here
I grew up in Hackettstown but have been living in Oregon for decades. I've been following NJ legalization efforts for some time. We're allowed 4 plants per household. They must be out of public view and not less than 1000 ft. from a school.
If NJ residents are allowed to grow it would open up some business opportunities for small garden supply shops that specialize in soil, fertilizer, lights, etc. for cannabis.
As a first time grower, I grew 4 plants outdoors last year and it was harder than I imagined. I had a successful harvest however and this year I'm only growing 2 plants. We can buy female clones (starts) in some of the local dispensaries. It's a lot easier than growing from seed.
We have 4 dispensaries in our little town of 16,000. None of them are located in the downtown area but are spread out in the industrial parts of town. That was a decision by local government.
Darrin I had a similar question- where would shop owners put their cash? Can they deposit these profits in a Federally Insured bank?
I am in the same boat as you Darrin.
It creates a host of issues.
DOT medical clearances are Federal....CDL drivers and drivers of vehicles over 10,000lbs interstate need DOT clearance.
Have a FID card? Federal....hence, cant do it.
So even though the State says yes, the Feds say no.
Lets face it, people get it now at whatever the cost is. As soon as the legal route is more expensive due to taxes etc, the black market will win.
So this may be a panacea for some, it doesn't change anything for a lot of people.
the FID card (Firmarms Purchasers Identification Card) is state issued, not federal.
You are correct in that the state issues the FID however federal firearms laws prohibit it.
A bill was just approved to address the banking issues: https://www.reuters.com/business/us-house-representatives-approves-cannabis-banking-bill-2021-04-19/
Still needs to pass the Senate, but this is a ray of hope and step in the right direction for dispensary owners as states continue to legalize.
Black market already offering home delivery. So many places serving all of NJ. Who cares what the State or towns decide to do. Their loss.
It would be awesome then if the town would use the money and actually invest in the town instead of stockpiling.
The town is investing several hundred of thousands of dollars in capital improvement projects. It does so nearly every year. Also, in my opinion "stockpiling" has done quite well for our town's current financial health as it is excellent.
Check out tonight's council meeting for more info.
Lol we just introduced the ordinance and we’re already being accused of stockpiling the money. Can’t win on HL
The revenue received will go towards capital improvements.
And as Greg has pointed out stockpiling a nice capital improvements fund has allowed the town to pay as you go when improvements are needed rather than issue bonds which raises taxes.
Lot's of cash, lot's of hip people, no chance of anything going wrong. Put it in the building across from the Police Station. Think of the tax money from moving violations.
Why would it involve lots of cash? And why would there be moving violations? Are there lots of moving violations generated from the liquor stores?
Looking forward to being able to peacefully smoke a joint while taking my dog for a walk around the neighborhood.
Good luck eith that
Not sure how recreational laws will work - but medicinal marijuana laws allow the user to consume cannabis wherever cigarette smokers can light up.
recreational weed would be treated like alcohol, can't smoke in public places. Medical weed is treated like cigarettes, can smoke anywhere but "no smoking sections" ie. Schools, parks, beaches, indoor public places.
Ah makes sense. Figure try to keep the riff raff to a minimum. Thanks for the clarity Jim!
For those interested in the topic, the Town will have its public meeting on the new proposed ordinance at the May 27 Town Council meeting. The agenda, zoom log-in info, and proposed ordinance can be found on the link above which is on the town's home page.
This ordinance will just address cultivation. Medical and recreational dispensaries will be addressed in future ordinances. Towns have until August to create ordinances on this subject.
So you you might be able to buy weed from the dispensary, but you can’t grow a plant in your back yard. What’s next, petunias?
What next you may ask Indie?
How about some massage parlors, go-go bars and pawn shops? We already have the check cashing and tattoo shops the town said would never be here.
Build H'town back better
How about a porn shop? Are you with me?
the slippery slope, what next indeed. restaurants serving liquor?
or even worse this
yes it's a musical interlude
Honestly don’t see this happening. We are stuck In the 1950s here in many ways. Change never seems to be welcome or accommodated despite the changes happening.
CBGB LOL! Cookies and weed!
That's right up there with this classic...
A smoke and a pancake? You know, a flapjack and a cigarette? Cigar and a waffle? Pipe and a crepe? Bong and a blintz? Well, then there's no pleashing you.
We need a Marijuana dispensary in Hackettstown. Seems like this town is stuck in a rut and doesn’t like change.
“ Seems like this town is stuck in a rut and doesn’t like change”
Pam I would suggest you read my post along with the link. The town is passing its first ordinance to allow cultivation in town this week and is working on ordinances to address medical and recreational dispensaries.
The town passed the ordinance last night to allow cultivation in Hackettstown. We already have an interested party that is looking to purchase the 180,000 sq ft old Compac building on bilby road.
This company will bring in 150-200 high-paying jobs to Hackettstown and provide the town with a 3% tax. It looks to be a great partnership for the town.
Glad to hear it! Glad to see the town finally embracing something that has multiple benefits while bringing jobs to the community.
Great news! Is cultivation commercial or personal? Does this apply to Mansfield? “ Hackettstown “ can be from Budd Lake to Karrsville. Even though Hackettstown is only a couple (2?) square miles, the name covers about 70 miles. If anyone finds a link that applies to Mansfield, I’d greatly appreciate it. Thanks! Have fun, feel good, don’t eat too much junk and stay out of trouble!
Hackettstown “the name” does not cover 70 miles. It covers about 35 sq miles. Hackettstown passed an ordinance so it covers Hackettstown the town. Other towns may share the zip code but that’s it. Each town has their own local government.
It’s a Hackettstown town ordinance that only cover Hackettstown. Which is 3.5 square miles.
It is only for commercial cultivation
Sorry for the confusion. I meat to state the 07840 covers 35 square miles. As Jim L pointed out the town is 3.5 square miles.
I'm sure people are growing it all over the place as we speak. Much less worry because it's legal to smoke, so why the hell not grow some on your back porch and save some $$$
The state doesn’t want people to grow MJ at home because they can’t collect the tax on it that way. It’s all about the greenback when it comes to state operations. Just look at how greedy the state was during discussions about how much to tax MJ during legalization talks.
It's odd, to me, that the town is OK for growing Marijuana to be sold in other towns but might not want a dispensary itself.
It’s actually a little more difficult to grow than you think. If you’re concerned about quality that is.
On the edge, did the town decide not to allow dispensaries? I thought I read somewhere above that it was still in the discussion?
Richie, It is still in discussion. Councilman Lambo stated that other ordinances related to cannabis here in town are forthcoming.
The town addressed cultivation first as there were interested parties looking to buy buildings in town but didn’t want to buy them until they were sure the town would allow it.
Medical and recreational dispensaries will be addressed in future ordinances. All ordinances will be in place by the August 22nd deadline the state set.
Thanks Jim for your information, I trust your accuracy. I (for one), am someone who is looking to secure one of those pending jobs you spoke of. After decades of working at jobs that were unfulfilling and uninspiring, I'm very much looking forward to finding work in an industry that I can fully support and feel good about.
Helping to mitigate the erroneous stigma and demonization that continues to surround cannabis would be a pleasure, and a great way of finishing my working life. The sooner the wheels start rolling, the better.
An Ordinance regarding dispensaries is being drafted with the goal to have it presented at the June 24th Council meeting (I'm not sure if it will be ready for the June 10th meeting). If approved by the council at that meeting then it will be scheduled for the July or August meeting for public comment before its finally adopted. The deadline to get all ordinances on the books is August 22nd and the last meeting for Hackettstown would the August 12th meeting as that is our last meeting before the August 22nd deadline
Again, towns can pass ordinances, limiting the number of dispensaries, limiting them to just medical or recreations, limiting them what "zone" they can go in, or not allowing them at all.
I'm with only one truth. Possible life/career cahnging moment here. Jim L. Any idea who is going in the warehouses on Bilby?
Boomers won't care. Long as they can profit off the taxes is all that matters. So bring it on already.
English30 we meet with 2 companies, both were interested in buying the old compaq building. I’m not sure which one will end up buying it but both companies were very impressive. Probably not worth naming them until we see which one got the building and I’m not sure if the losing bidder will find another building in town or go elsewhere
Callitlikeoseeit, " Boomers won't care. Long as they can profit off the taxes is all that matters. So bring it on already." Actually Boomers DO care. You would be very, very surprised at the large number of Boomers who indulge on a regular basis. We grew up with it and have continued consuming throughout the years. Some still smoke or vape it while others of us have switched to edibles. It would be wonderful to be able to legally obtain it locally so we could enjoy retirement without having to go out of town for it.
Oh yea English they are large, publicly traded, established companies. They already have cultivation and dispensaries throughout the country and looking to open in NJ.
For those interested, the town council will
Be introducing an ordinance at tonight’s town council meeting to address dispensaries. Zoom log in info can be found in town’s website
If passed by council tonight it will be up for public comment before final adoption at our July meeting
As mentioned before, towns have until August 22nd to pass any/all ordinances regarding cannabis
The cultivation company that purchased the Compac building on bilby road has submitted its application to the Land Use Board and will most like be at the July 27th Land Use board meeting
So plenty of activity in town. Please attend meetings to learn more
Massive taxes on something you can grow on your own. You can make your own beer but not weed?
I'd be interested in the direction council is thinking. I understand Mansfield Township passed an ordinance last night to ban any cannabis related business there.
I would gather during some of the informal conversations with the cultivation company that will be operating on Bilby road that an indication of the forthcoming ordinance was discussed. Not that it would deter that company from moving forward if the town chooses to ban or place a moratorium on it, but If I was that applicant I would like to understand and get a barometer on the position the town was leaning toward prior to moving forward with that application. Either way it won't really impact their business model too much I would think.
…“ ban any cannabis related business there.”….Mansfield is SO 1980s. Oh well, thanks for the updates, Jim!
Now that the purchaser of the building is public record and they have submitted their application to the LUB board, which is also public record, I can share the name of the company:
Greg, in my opinion, banning a legal product will not prevent that product from coming into your town's borders. So your residents will just drive to a neighboring town, spend their money there, and bring it back into your town. So all you are doing with the ban is having money leave your town and losing out on the municipal tax revenue.
for example, Manfield bans the sale of it and for argument's sake Hackettstown allows dispensaries,. So a Mansfield resident crosses into Hackettstown to purchase the product and then goes back to Mansfield to consume it. So what exactly did that ban accomplish?
A wise thing to do would be to limit the number of dispensaries, limit their locations, place restrictions on their hours of operation, restrict their signage, etc. All of which towns are able to do with their ordinances.
Exactly., Jim. I was thinking just that as I learned of the ban in a neighboring town. In my opinion the approach you detailed is clearly the most logical way for a municipality to move forward. Beyond the revenue side for the town including potential jobs and increased ancillary businesses, it also adds yet another amenity to our multi faceted offerings here in Hackettstown. It's smart, progressive thinking.
Jim is 100% correct on how towns or at the least this town should handle dispensaries. Limit the amount and location. The state is losing tons of revenue as is with all the gifting services, gas stations, and smoke shops selling it already.
The bigger problem is Manfield isn't the only town banning cannabis related business.
Looks like a tidal wave of them doing the same ... narrowing down to which town & where? (to be the first/model 'pot' town of NJ to go to)
So far, just a few who placed such bans: Washington Township, Byram, Sparta, Roxbury, etc. within this area....
My 2 cents: Some municipalities are hesitant to "opt in" because the State of NJ has not set the "rules" yet. There is some movement in the legislature to push the August deadline for the opt "in"/"out" for municipalities by 60 days so that municipalities can review the "rules".
Effectively, the State has set a deadline but they have not done their half of the job yet. If the municipality opts "out", they can opt "in" at any time. If they opt "in", they are stuck for something like 5 years. Seeing how Trenton operates, I'd hesitate to sign on before I knew the "deal".
As far as the panacea of revenue, there will be some no doubt but most households have some sort of budget. Recreational use would fall under disposable income part of the budget (vacations, beer, going out to dinner etc). This will represent a shift in spending from one area to another (some folks might buy less beer or go out to dinner less often etc )so those sectors will lose while this sector gains. On a smaller scale, the town with the facility will definitely win. On a larger scale, the State that allows it wins but again, it comes at an expense to something.
The shift from buying it on the black market to the legal market is great. Hopefully NJ doesn't levy too many taxes/fees on it as people will move back to the black market where they were already getting before NJ legalized it.
"This will represent a shift in spending from one area to another (some folks might buy less beer or go out to dinner less often etc )so those sectors will lose while this sector gains."
This assumes that most people who will frequent legal dispensaries aren't already spending money every month on cannabis. The revenue is already out there; the only thing that will change is where it goes.
Assuming people dont take the tax free route like they have since the beginning of time
So the town introduced the ordinance last night.
it would allow for 2 recreational dispensaries (1 in the HC zone and 1 in the CC zone) and 1 medical dispensary
it would limit them to just the Highway Commercial and Community Commercial zones in town (Mountain Ave, Rt 57, Stiger St areas) Nothing on Main Street.
it would limit their hours of operation from 9am-9pm
it would limit them from being within 1000ft from any school/university
it would limit their signage and the imagery they can use to advertise
No Drive thu
No Consumption on site
No outdoor section
Business must meet with Cheif of Police prior to receiving CO to ensure proper safety and security mearsures
Town has the right to inspect the dispensary at any time to make sure they are following all proper protocols.
Town will impose a 2% municipal tax on all sales
Public meeting on the ordinance will be August 12th.
Seems reasonable to start with. Im sure down the line once marijuana is normalized things will gradually change.
"Business must meet with Cheif of Police prior to receiving CO to ensure proper safety and security mearsures
Town has the right to inspect the dispensary at any time to make sure they are following all proper protocols."
Are both of these true for any other businesses in town? Did CVS or Walgreens (who have MUCH stronger and some could argue more desirable drugs) have to submit to meeting with the Chief of PD?
"No outdoor section" - I'm assuming this is referring to an outdoor "weed garden" like Czig has, but for smoking? Does anyone know if there are restrictions in the NJ law for "public consumption"? If so, I can understand this, but if you are able to legally smoke weed on the street corner (like you can for a cigarette), this seems sort of silly.
jnnjr- I recommend you read the NJ state law and related materials. It will clear up any answers you have.
The town did not add any more restrictions then they state already put in place so if you have any problems with the ordinance contact your state representative.
In order to get their license from the STATE, dispensaries have to agree to certain requirements i which is why they are in our drafted ordinance
Thanks again Jim!!!
That's a BIG GREEN THUMBS UP!!! I can't wait to find employment in some capacity with them!
The drafted ordinance can be found on the town's website. Again public hearing will be on August 12th.
You can now order Ritz, Cheezits, candy (one package each) and it includes an ounce of Bubba Kush as a free gift for $350.00? Plus free delivery from local CBD shops with a "Gift Program". How does that work?
One-Eyed Poacher...Since the beginning of the year vendors are taking advantage of the laws in place (grey area). So essentially yeah, you order lets say some cookies and you can get a free gift of somthing marijuana related. Some opperations have been shut down others have not. As for local cbd shops doing it, thats news to me. I'll have to pop in one and see whats doing.
The kids say to ask about their gift program or gifting service. Hard to believe that there's a grey area, sounds more like nonfeasance by prosecutors. To bad other businesses couldn't be tax free like buying four tires and getting the spare tire and vehicle as a gift. Eliminating all the specific taxes and just paying sales tax.
Gift services abound. And an actual store in Parsippany that gifts. Last I checked there are over 100 of these services all catering to various counties.
A recreational dispensary in town could help reduce gray market gifting deliveries here and will bring tax revenue to the town. I'd rather people purchased a product from a state-regulated/town-regulated business than going rogue and buying who-knows-what from some person gifting through an Instagram account.
The drafted ordinance can be found on the town's website. Again public hearing will be on August 12th.
Don’t want to be paying excessive prices for subpar products. Just saying, don’t just randomly pick a service.
Nothing but top shelf products mostly sourced from Maine. Or you could wait for the state to move its ass but it won’t. So you’ll get stuck paying top dollar for mids in a dispensary just like what’s happening in the medical ones. Those people have gone grey market.
Yes, Maine has been a great supporter. Love me some green truck. I have yet to have a bad experience with the 4 or so vendors I have tried this year. NJ's medical program is a joke, mids at best for the most part. I'm good with paying dispensary prices if the product matches up. Reddit has been a decent source to find vendors once you filter out all the bs.
Glad to see the council voted unanimously to approve ordinance 2021-09 last night. This will clear the way for retail sales of cannabis here in town.
If you can smoke cannabis anywhere you can smoke tobacco, why can't I drink bourbon anywhere I can drink water?
Ianimal… I might have something to do with drunks start more fights and are more likely to act disorderly then a pot head …. Just my 2 cents …
Ditto...although I'm not certain if they approved just one store or two. Regardless, it'll be great to have a local source.
Personally, I'm hoping to derive employment from either the retail store(s) or the cultivation center that is supposedly on the horizon somewhere on Bilby Road, but when all of this actually begins to take shape is anyone's guess. I'm hoping sales begin before the end of the year, but the sooner the better.
I was tempted to respond as well, but I think you've covered it well enough.
But I do want to point out that you needn't be a "pot head" to use cannabis, as there are many levels of usage, as well as multiple reasons why people use, including medical of course.
Also, I'm not certain of the laws that surround being able to smoke weed "anywhere you can smoke tobacco". But if that is indeed the case, that means smoking weed in public is still pretty limited, whereas there are multiple public places where someone can imbibe bourbon where water is also available...they're called bars.
So I'm not sure what this Ianimals gripe is.
this is a very good thing. while I am not a pot head, it is nice to have around here and there. I just hope that it will be a small local business who sets up shop and not a corporate thing.
Yea these are not mom and pop stores. This is big business that need a lot of start up capital.
You missed the sarcasm... I'm not looking to drink bourbon anywhere I want. But, I think that cannabis should be treated no differently than alcohol.
To say that someone can smoke dope recreationally anywhere there's a butt box seems to me extreme. Have a little couth and keep it in private or at outdoor events like concerts where little kids won't be exposed to it.
time for a musical interlude.
a fine ditty about my fave Pakalolo
Ianimal — Did I miss a change to NJ’s recreational policy? I’ve consistently heard that recreational marijuana use in public will be treated the same as drinking in public and only allowed in designated areas.
Are you confusing the current medical marijuana laws, which allow for consumption wherever one can smoke cigarettes, with the new recreational guidelines? If so, medical patients have been allowed to do this for years and it hasn’t caused any issues. The average Joe won’t be allowed to just light up on a bench on Main Street.
Average Joe can now also pop a few gummies have a beverage or baked good. Not to mention the concentrates of refined resin, live resin etc. those are vaped and go mostly undetected. People need to stop stereotyping and using archaic analogies. If we can have beer brewing shops and local breweries we can have local cultivation and production of cannabis as well as local distribution. IE a liquor store. We have those too. Geez
According to this, municipalities need to specifically restrict where you can use; otherwise, it defaults to the Clean Air Act.
Correct. Hence the introduction of Ordinance 2021-10.
Prohibiting smoking of cannabis at town recreational facilities.
The state approved recreational cannabis for use privately and in places that serve alcohol. There is no “advantage” given to people who use it versus people who want to throw back a beer.
Medical marijuana patients have a bit more leeway because it is their medicine. They can smoke and vape cannabis wherever smoking is permitted.
Glad the town approved some recreational sales. It will benefit the town and its residents.
Be prepared for license plate scanners (in marked or unmarked cars) at the dispensaries…. Keeping track of who’s buying. Next time you go to Hackettstown Guns to pick up a .22 for plinking you’ll be nabbed for lying on the 4473.
4473 is the form you are required to fill out for every firearm purchase.
In addition to your personal info and the make/model/SN of what you’re buying it also asks about criminal history, straw purchasing, drug use, etc. Obviously need to answer NO to those questions otherwise you’ll be denied. Lying on the form is a federal felony. with 10 years in the clink…
So, if you are a gun owner/buyer be careful about being too brazen with where you toke up.
Squirrelgirl other than casinos, smoking is prohibited in places that serve alcohol, so I'm not sure you have your facts straight.
AC trips will be a lot more interesting, though... throwing bones at the Craps table with a 3-foot bong in the other hand, lol
I’ve filled out quite a few 4473s just didn’t know it. I’m really not worried about the scanners. Life’s to short.
ianimal many people who use cannabis no longer smoke it and have other ways of ingesting it. With the advent of recreational use, there will be more edibles, drinks, dry vaping of flower in vaporization devices, and cannabis-infused products. Also, at outdoor events (not necessarily in Hackettstown) that are not on town-owned grounds, if alcohol is permitted, cannabis in some forms could be as well.
At private events, sure... but if I'm a bar owner, why would i let someone take up space and get high on their own supply? unless there's a way to monetize it for bar owners, I can't see them allowing it.
CBB- I would doubt is as a license from the ABC is rather specific. Perhaps they will consider amending the criteria for the license and what can be dispensed in the future.
What a joke - The last line in the odor article posted:
After many complaints, town meeting, and even the firm admit of the smell problem, the town's mayor says:
"It's not a constant problem,"..."I drove in the parking lot yesterday, and it did not smell."
~Glad they have a true leader using all his resources to thoroughly research and consider the concerns of his citizens by his 'drive by' ...sensing the air was clean, clear and just fine *to him.~
Hackettstown included an odor emission standard in the ordinance and GTI presented to the Land Use Board the filtration upgrades they are doing to the building to meet those standards. It looks like from this article, the company just converted a Walmart to a cultivation without doing any upgrades and are now doing them after they got complaints. We were more proactive and required those upgrades before opening.
All things one would learn from attending meetings :)
Just went to a beautiful dispensary in Illinois, tablets all over the place where you could research and place your order. at least a half dozen knowledgeable staff to help me with the different strains, etc. I can’t picture a place like this opening in Hackettstown sorry to say, but maybe and hopefully I’ll be wrong
Well stated, Jim. That particular facility has been batted around in a few news articles. It's nonsense and simply a smear piece against that type of facility in my opinion. Besides it is very subjective and there is no real, accurate method to detect and measure levels of odor anyway other than a human nose. That place is a far cry from what will be in place here in Hackettstown for sure.
As an aside, why are folks not upset with the odor coming from Mars? I mean if I don't care for the smell of chocolate or roasting peanuts that's an issue as it wafts over town often. Many people like it and I would gather some don't. In this case some folks enjoy the odor of cannabis while some don't. Just saying! LOL.
minutes from the 7/27/21 Land Use Meeting where GTI presented their proposed upgrades to the building, including addressing the odor concerns:
Mr. Dejter testified to the following regarding odors:
• Charcoal odor mitigation system and recirculating air systems will be installed
• Each room has dedicated centralized air handling systems
• Odor mitigation system has phased gas chambers within the system that filter odors
• Rooms are sealed and are constructed with metal panels
• A building automation system will be used to monitor equipment
• Filters are changed routinely
what exciting and useful information one learns from attending meetings :)
of course, the most impressive testimony of that meeting:
• Hours of operation will be from 8AM to 5PM Monday through Friday with select cultivation employees working on Saturday and Sunday.
• There will be approximately 100 employees working on the production and manufacturing floor and approximately 50 office employees
• Employees will be hired locally
Great points Jim. I agree the experts were very thorough in explaining the construction details and such. This will clearly be a state of the art facility and will continue to be as they indicated any new technology in this industry will be implemented as it becomes available.
Having the staffing come locally is a great plus in addition to the overall positive impact this facility will have here. In my opinion of course.
Once NJ starts issuing licenses. Probably mid 2022 at the earliest at the pace they are going
That's hilarious!!! I wonder what the rates at bilby road will be...with all this state of the art stuff going on it may wind up being cheaper to hit up your local dealer. I'm sure by the time jersey starts TAXING the hell out of it it will be overpriced
itsiswhatitis.........I believe from what I've read that the Bilby Road location if for Cultivation and not retail sales.
That is correct, Richie. All information regarding cannabis sales in town or the approved cannabis cultivation facility can be found on the town website or by attending Land Use Board meetings as well as town council meetings.
At the special council meeting tonight council passed a resolution in support of a dispensary here in town.
All applications are stuck at the state level. There have been 4 companies interested in opening in town but none have gotten their license from the state yet. We only allow 2 so the first 2 to get their license approved at the state level will be allowed to open up shop in town.
Good to hear 4 companies are interested. Hopefully it won't be too long now. The application process at the state Cannabis Regulatory Commission just started accepting applications to operate a dispensary March 15th so it may take a bit to process. According to some news reports they could be cleared to open for business within the next couple of months.
"......You have to factor in the 90-day review process for their application, then the 120 days in order to meet the requirements of the location (municipality), then they have to get up and running and create supply and ramp up their staffing,” said DeLoreto. “They may start selling by the end of the year. Probably not for the most part. Looking more like early next year.”
LOL. Typical efficient state processing! Reading that I'd bet there will be even more delays. That is a completely different timeline given recently. But eventually it will happen I guess. I feel bad for folks who have The Reefer Madness!
Typical New Jersey political debacle. Yesterday on the NJ.com Twitter push an article was stating retail sales possibly starting as soon as late April early May. Today the news breaks that it's delayed once again to sort out an issue with existing medical marijuana dispensaries. Sounds like this Regulatory commission is sampling the goods a bit too much LOL. It's becoming a farce...
Thank goodness for all the great delivery services offering legit dispo goods tax free of course. Anyone in the know doesn’t care when the state goes live overcharging.
Murphy and his clowns in legislature are a joke. They must still be fighting about who to give reparations to. Meanwhile, all the potential tax revenue continues to flow out of state to areas where politicians have half a brain.
Breaking NYT story:
"A year and a half after New Jersey residents voted to legalize cannabis, the state on Monday gave seven medical-marijuana companies final approval to start selling their products to all adults, opening the door to the first legal marijuana sales in the New York City region within a month."
yup, it's a slow crawl, but finally there is some progress. However, legal cannabis won't be fully realized in NJ until mom-and-pop dispensaries are up and running, which could still take quite some time.
By the way...has anyone got any updates on Green Thumb Industries? They are supposed to be setting up operations on Bilby, but I haven't seen any progress toward that to date.
So how long will it be until we can go to a shop locally to buy products? Are these initial 7 locations set up to provide to smaller shops, or will they have their hands full with enough orders from their own local areas?
As I understand 7 cultivators known as alternative treatment centers (ATC) were the ones approved. The closest one to Hackettstown is in Phillipsburg.
The taxes associated with sales and how used are interesting:
"Under the New Jersey marijuana legalization laws signed by Gov. Phil Murphy last year, adult use marijuana sales will be subject to the state sales tax of 6.625% and an additional "social justice excise fee," a flat tax between $10 and $60 that increases as the price of cannabis decreases.
Municipalities also have the option of adding a 2% local tax to cannabis sales within their borders, which has been almost universally adopted by towns allowing retail marijuana sales.
Between 60% and 87% of all tax revenue will go to designated "impact zones," towns or cities with large populations who also have high rates of crime, unemployment and a history of marijuana possession arrests."
Given the 850,000 or so people in the Lehigh Valley Metro Area, sniffing the inside of the Apothecarium in Pburg for adult-use cannabis while only the seven sites are open for business will be like scoring Rolling Stones tickets in the 70s...
Worried about what the parking situation will be like in Pburg for medical patients. That site is not ideal for combined medical-recreational sales. I've asked Apothecarium staffers where the nearest parking lot is and they always give me vague directions (that are not really directions). The only time I go to Pburg is to get my medicine so I have no idea where to even look for parking. Anyone know?
I do believe its against the law to cross a stateline and buy marijuana and take it back home..any pennsylvania is risking a felony charge coming to nj to buy weed
Actually it is just a misdemeanor offence according to Pennsylvania law. Besides people have been traveling across borders of states since well they existed to purchase contraband. The threat of penalty has not stopped too many folks from getting what they want that's for sure.
We are not talking about pennsylvania law
Federal law is what makes it a felony
Doubt the Feds. Are going to be busting people at the bridge for a 1/4 oz. of weed.
"Governor Phil Murphy @GovMurphy
Starting on April 21st, adults ages 21+ will be able to legally purchase cannabis and cannabis products without a medical card.
This is a historic step in our work to create a new cannabis industry. Learn more: http://nj.gov/cannabis.\"
Best NJ Governor ever?
& Looking for the list of places OPEN for business?
"A list of locations that will open on April 21 will be posted on the Commission’s website as soon as ATCs confirm the date on which they will begin operations."
Not busted but the troopers in pa will confiscate it...just like booze
Squirrelgirl, the nearest municipal lot is northeast of the Free Bridge by Jimmie's Doggie Stand. It's not far from Apothecarium as the crow flies, but there's a pretty good elevation difference if you have mobility issues.
Thank you, ianimal. Yes, some mobility issues but I should be able to handle that. Much appreciated.
How is pricing handled - is it set by the state for all dispensaries to follow, or is it up to the individual business owner to set prices on their own?
The dispensaries arent state stores so I imagine they could set their own prices as they are individually owned
DManPV — right now pricing varies between medical dispensaries, so recreational should be the same.
I was at a flea market in South Jersey on Saturday and several stands had what looked like budd in small jars.
I'm not interested so I did not ask about prices. or anything
I appreciate the info.
It’s annoying that many of the marijuana related articles in NJ.com are marked subscriber only.
Prices will vary. In Colorado for example each dispensary has different strains and blends. Sativa, THC percentage, Indica, hybrid etc. Some places start at $100 an ounce and up. That's for flower. Edibles, oils, concentrates etc. will all be priced differently. The various dispensaries will offer different products based on what supplier they use. Equate it to wine. You can get Two Buck Chuck from Traders Joe's or spend a mortgage payment on one bottle. Again like in Colorado some places will be much more "upscale" while others will be a bit more pedestrian if you will. In this area I would think we may have both types of dispensaries. We will see.
I've never done THC of any kind. Because I would never inhale smoke (unless it's a campfire LOL). But has anyone had success using these products for either chronic pain or sleep? If so, I'd like to hear what you would recommend someone trying for these issues.
I know the people at the dispensaries are knowledgeable (supposed to be anyway), but I'm a fan of personal experiences, even if "everyone is different". For me, getting high is not even wanted... I want some relief and sleep.
yes, I've tried CBD products, for me they had limited or no effect (no THC component in them tho)
JR — indica strains with THC content around 15% consumed through a dry herb vaporizer (no smoke, almost no smell) are a godsend for chronic pain and insomnia.
Stay away from the strains with high (20%+) THC levels as they will make you, well, high.
D-ManPV, I bet that NJ.com thinks it's annoying that people think they should get for free original content that costs them $ to publish.
I can’t wait to find out if the dispensary’s will offer gift cards. I hope so. I have friends that I never know what to get them for birthdays and holidays. It would be awesome if they offer them.
If your aim is to get sound sleep, then "getting high" shouldn't even be a concern.
I wouldn't be concerned about levels of THC, I'd be concerned about whether the product is effective or not, being that the lack of sleep can wreak havoc on our well-being.
I have tried a myriad of cannabis products in the past to help with my insomnia, but like you, I'm not interested in smoking any weed at this stage of life. Fortunately, there are other forms of cannabis that are ready to help.
I would look more toward tinctures and concentrates, but I would avoid edibles because they can be hard to gauge. Personally, I think FECO (full extract cannabis oil), otherwise known as RSO (Rick Simpson Oil), is the way to go. High THC yes, but you'll be asleep, and when you wake up, you'll only have a slight and pleasant buzz, one that won't stop you from carrying on with your day.
If you are not familiar with being high, or even buzzed for that matter, don't worry. The buzz you'll have in the morning, if any, is calming and relaxing. You'll still retain all of your faculties, and you'll be fully rested from a good night's sleep.
So don't be trepidatious about cannabis or THC levels, in fact, the higher the better where sleep is concerned. The only issue is finding FECO, as I'm not sure if any is being sold by these dispensaries. You can extract it yourself, but that's a process that is time consuming and potentially dangerous if you don't know what you are doing.
In lieu of FECO, I'd check out tinctures...not as strong as FECO, but it might do the trick in your case.
Bottom line...don't be put off by high THC levels, especially if all you're doing is sleeping. Once you experience "being high", or even just being buzzed, you'll realize it's no big deal, and you'll adjust to it with no problem.
As a side bonus, perhaps over time your political views will change for the better. :- )
Kidding aside, get out there and try SOMETHING. Losing sleep is serious stuff, I know first-hand. Cannabis is here to help. Good luck and sleep well.
>"As a side bonus, perhaps over time your political views will change for the better. :- )"
haha I think I've figured out who you are (used to be).... my political views have evolved beyond the 2-party chess game of "good cop bad cop", so ...
As for the topic, thanks for the info. I suffer from terrible tension headaches (they are not migraines, and I don't have a tumor LOL), and I have been looking for something to KNOCK ME OUT when I have them, as only a few hours of deep sleep will stop them. It's like my body forgets how to relax the muscles unless I'm unconscious. And I don't want sleeping pills, opiates, SSRIs, or anything like them. Just looking for an "as needed" product to knock me the F out when I desperately need it, to escape from these killer headaches.
I tried 1/2 a chocolate edible last night, did nothing. I'll try a whole one next time. My friends have done them, so I've got some "experienced" coaches LOL
Yes, a lot of gray area regarding political affiliation these days. I try to stay as open minded and objective as I can. Let's just say I'm a Liberal who holds traditional views on many issues.
Anyway, I'm all too familiar with headaches, bad ones, as I have suffered from Lyme for well over a decade now. These "Lymegraines" as I call them, are totally debilitating, I get them about 5 times a month on average. Smoking weed helps, but like you, I don't want the assault on my lungs.
I managed to get a hold of some FECO a while back, and a little goes a long way. It almost has the consistency of grease, and a sesame seed sized serving is all you need for a good night's sleep. It's expensive (relatively speaking), and hard to come by (although maybe not now), but it has never failed to "knock me out" of my misery. I encourage you to seek it out.
I have done the edible thing, and like I said I find it to be hit or miss. I have also made the mistake of eating too much and wound up being incapacitated for an entire 2 days. In addition to that, current edibles are loaded with sugar, and in the case of chocolate...caffeine, two things NOT conducive to a good night's sleep.
I hope your "coaches" point you in the right direction, for your sake. But I'd be doing some heavy research myself if I were you. Those headaches and lack of sleep that you have is a terrible thing to live with. You might have to experiment for a while, but you'll find what works best for you at some point.
It'll take some time for NJ to get its cannabis legs, where rec weed is concerned. In a couple of years (or sooner I hope), NJ should figure this thing out. If it takes longer than that it would be ridiculous.
only one truth:
I also have chronic lyme. Recent tests show it's not currently active, but I sure have several of the symptoms (one of which is headaches). Actually started seeing a lyme specialist...
Now back to your regularly scheduled (weed) programming...LOL
And they are allowing these people using weed, somewhat or a lot stoned, to drive?!?
Will tickets be issued if pulled over and stoned?!
Keep in mind, edibles take time to kick in, sometimes up to 30 minutes so it's best to go slow with those. I did see you said you tried some and it didn't do anything, sometimes that happens too. That's the problem with cannabis, it takes time and lots of trial and error to find what works for you. Unfortunately, the stuff isn't cheap and it's not covered by insurance even for medical patients.
Just a fyi, smoking or vaping will kick in much faster, but wear off faster as well. Edibles last longer.
No edibles available for recreational use at Apothecarium yet... only a few strains of flower and vape pen cartridges for the most part.
Wow those prices! And I assume that’s before taxes. $150 for a 1g cart is robbery. I’ll still stick with all the great vendors we have. Offering legit Maine and Cali products for half the cost tax free of course and will deliver to your door if you like.
I don’t remember how the pricing in CA and Co started out. Probably was higher in the beginning. The quality in the NJ dispos haven’t been all that great from what I’ve heard.
Yeah, the pricing in NJ is outrageous, at least for now.
It'll be interesting to see if the laws of supply and demand will apply once the industry is fully established. It would be criminal if these prices remained this high (or higher) in the not-too-distant future.
I've read that the "high end" weed in Cali is priced out equal to our low end weed here, as it stands right now. If I have to resort to extracting my own FECO (my concentrate of preference), then I think I might be contacting those vendors you spoke of, at least for the time being. I don't think our dispensaries even sell FECO, so it looks like that's the route I'm going to have to take.
Any chance you can point me in the right direction regarding those vendors?
@only one truth
Yeah too bad we didn’t use the Michigan or Oregon model. They seemed to get it right from the start.
As to your other question I’d rather not blurt out here. Are you familiar with the Telegram app or discord? From there you want to search NJEnts used to be on Reddit but it got shut down. Anyway gain acceptance to that group and you should be enlightened.
I also heard of a small retail shop opening in Stanhope. No idea of the location.
Sorry to hear. Lyme is a disease I wouldn't wish on anyone; it's completely altered my life...for the worse.
There is a young woman on YouTube that claims she healed her Lyme by using the FECO (RSO) oil that I suggested you take for your headaches and insomnia. It's also been recommended by for a myriad of health issues, from A to Z.
I've never been able to remain consistent enough with it to form an opinion about its healing efficacy, but I know for certain that it is a powerful sleep aid. I'm hoping to have enough on hand to last me for the long term, whether purchasing it or extracting it myself, only then will I be able to make a determination on it.
Like you, I only want to use it before bedtime. I don't mind a slight buzz, but I'm not really interested in being high anymore, save for the occasional occasion. Besides, by far the worst Lyme symptom I have is the 24/7/365 brain fog and fatigue, which is something that can only be described by other sufferers. It's a somewhat similar feeling to being high, except it's an unpleasant version of it, and it NEVER goes away. It comes from a severely inflamed brain, due to the bacterial infection, and it's somewhat akin to encephalitis.
Based on your comments, it sounds like your Lyme is in remission for the most part, aside from the occasional headache and insomnia. Maybe your specialist can paint a clearer picture for you, but it's been my experience that most Lyme patients ultimately have to find out what works for them through experimentation, and that no two people have the exact same symptomology.
Let me know how your specialist appointment goes, I'd be interested in his diagnosis of your problem.
Yeah, I fully understand why you don't want to disclose anything on here, but I should be able to track down the information I need by myself, based on the information you just provided...thanks.
Personally, I'm seeking employment in the industry in some capacity, so it'll behoove me to start exploring everything that's currently out there, as well as what awaits on the horizon. I've only got about 10 more years of work ahead of me, I couldn't ask for a better way to close it out then doing something that I can fully support and feel good about. I just hope someone is willing to hire an old man like myself.
Again, thanks for the info, enjoy your stash. : )
Thanks only one truth. I have joint pain also, but am going through standard tests now (x-ray, MRI) to determine if they are structural. If they are not structural in nature (tendon fraying, arthritis, etc), then it's either the lyme (which according to recent tests shows it in remission), or they are from emotional reasons... which is a whole 'nuther story. Some of them ARE structural (compressed/herniated discs), others... IDK yet.
I just want to not be in chronic pain, and if some form of this stuff can help with that, ANY break from it I can get is a good one, and without quality sleep, EVERYTHING suffers, and there is no healing, physical or emotional/psychological.
Sorry to hear yours is apparently more advanced/chronic than mine is. it never leaves, of course... like Epstein-Barre, chicken pox, and other things, it just goes into remission, and can come back out at any time.
I just left you a long response to your last post, but I think when I went to edit it, I inadvertently deleted it.
So now, in a nutshell...
Standard Lyme testing is insufficient. That's not to say you aren't in remission, but based on what you're telling me, your Lyme is alive and well. Sorry, I'm not trying to be discouraging, but as a seeker of truth I have to be a straight shooter.
I also have all the signature aches and pains that come with Lyme, but my neuro symptoms are by far the worst. It's not just the fog and fatigue, it's the anxiety, eye floaters, dizziness, blurred vision, headaches, insomnia, etc.etc.etc.
In your case it appears that while you have managed to alleviate some of your symptoms, others are clearly lingering, hence my suggestion for the FECO (aka RSO).
FECO is the strongest extract of cannabis that you will find. It might help with your chronic pain, but I know for CERTAIN that it will give you a restful sleep. As you stated, without sleep there is no chance for healing, so I highly (no pun intended) recommend you give it a chance...if you can find it.
Also, those emotional issues are most likely tied directly to your Chronic Lyme, I know this from my own experience.
It's an insidious disease my friend, one that disguises itself as other diseases, and one that won't ever completely be resolved. The best we can hope for is symptom alleviation, which should be our mission for the rest of our lives.
Keep me updated if you like and best wishes. : )
Apothecatium does carry "soft lozenges" basically gummies. Though I think it is limited to medical only for now. I believe only flower is available for rec. Jefferson republic, I would try some of the do gummies they are stronger than the do and will put you to sleep. DO does relax the body more and is a bit more helpful with the pain. I would try to find a sweet spot mix of the two for now.
"Apothecatium does carry "soft lozenges" basically gummies. Though I think it is limited to medical only for now. I believe only flower is available for rec. Jefferson republic, I would try some of the d9 gummies they are stronger than the d8 and will put you to sleep. D8 does relax the body more and is a bit more helpful with the pain. I would try to find a sweet spot mix of the two for now." Edited to fix the autocorrect that made it really confusing. Though there is thc-o and if you get a legitimate batch that is super strong, very good for extreme pain but can be very intense for new users.
"A dozen dispensaries sold more than $24 million in recreational marijuana to adults in the first month such purchases were legal, according to Cannabis Regulatory Commission data."
That number will only increase once the scores of dispensaries waiting to open legally begin to operate.
I know one can purchase cannabis here in town now. Naturally, it is from a related shop that is selling it illegally even though it is a legal product now.
Greg, what shop is that?
It was either Good Luck Vapes or Puff City both on Mountain Ave. My friend went into one asking if they sold any of the devil's lettuce, and they stated they do not. She then went into the other and made a cannabis purchase. I just don't recall which one she went into first. This was just this past week.
Check that I just asked her. One can score at Puff City. Shh! LOL
The secret is out Greg spilled the beans. Dirt weed Is available for purchase on mountain ave.
Skunkle Sams in Stanhope as well. In the old Napa auto parts location. So many places. It’s legal.
I smoked some for the holiday and now I can't remember what day we are memorializing?
I am really hungry though and there's lots of hot dogs and hamburgers. H a m burger... C h e e burger.....that's funnily familiar, like I am memorializing: Cheeburger, cheeburger no coke, pepsi, no fries, cheeps.
Apparently there is the all good to go about the operation going at bilby road. They were offloading equipment a few weeks ago and now the grass is getting tall in the back/ sides of building.
There is also big black fence around the entrance so no one can get in or out. Looks like something fishy
2 weeks ago
I've been waiting to hear any news about the proposed cultivation center on Bilby. As has been previously discussed, it was my understanding that Green Thumb Ind. would be occupying that building.
I too drove by the other day, and it sure does appear that something is going on. As you said, there is a fence around the entrance, and signs for trucks entering and exiting. But I still haven't been able to find any information about the time frame. If anyone has an update, I sure would appreciate it, I'm very interested in possibly finding employment there.
Not sure what you mean about "something fishy", unless you are just kidding.
Only- I'm sure if you contact GTI corporate they can give some updates as well as possible employment information.
Thanks Greg, I have checked their website on several occasions, but there's never anything about the new cultivation center in there, with regard to our area anyway.
Maybe I will just give them a call directly.
I was thinking of getting a part time job there, I’m retired and can walk there…. Good excercise. Thanks Greg for the info
I’m really hoping it doesn’t attract an organized crime/gang/oceans 11 style heist. Any time you have hundreds of thousands of dollars of product somewhere that is still illegal in many states, you could have a problem.
1 week ago
Are people worried about declining property values when living near these proposed marijuana farms? I read online that sometimes the smell can be intolerable.
I’d be worried, Calico. That weed-scented air has to vent out of the building and it will certainly stink up the area. I have NOTHING against pot or the people who smoke it but I’m getting a little tired of all the NIMBY people pushing their crap to warren county. Between the warehouses, slaughter houses, and now this, it seems like our county is viewed by the rest of the state as the NJ dump
1 week ago
There is a marijuana processing warehouse in an old Walmart building on Route 22 in west Somerset County. You can definitely smell the weed driving by and residents have complained.
Between the smell of M&M's chocolate and this new weed smell floating around our town, I'm preparing to have the munchies 24/7!
Luckily in this case there are only two homes in the immediate area down the street from this facility with the exception of the yet to be built Princess Towers that will be essentially across the street from the cultivation center.
I know a few of the commercial property owners expressed concerns about odor at some of the early Land Use meetings and how it could negatively impact their values as well. I guess it's a wait and see deal at this point. I'm certain the LUB will stipulate air quality equipment and a subsequent process to deal with any possible future complaints related to odor and such.
I see Chicken Little has some relatives.
Some of you have some interesting imaginations, to say the least.
But specifically, with regard to any odor from the cultivation center, I believe Jim L. was extremely detailed with the information he provided this thread about the filters that will be utilized by the new occupants (GTI).
I doubt there'll be any issues.
How about actually waiting before they are fully operational, instead of predicting a doom and gloom eventuality?
In the unlikely event that your "concerns" have validity in the future, then I'm sure they will be met with efficient solutions.
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