Bea McNallys

As a local long time resident I live on the same block with this establishment.. At least 3-4 nights a week I deal with intoxicated people fighting outside at 2am and cutting through my property leaving beer cans or bottles.. As of recent I had 3 males urinating outside my home on there way back to Centenary College... When I opened my door they told me they wanted to fight and started spitting at me.. I have young children in my home.. I called Hackettstown Police and was told they were already at the bar dealing with the problem..

I understand that this is a college town and young people especially drinking will go a little over the top.. But must of these people are not local residents and do not care.. I have documented most of this the best I can...

I'm only venting here because I feel like enough is enough and I have no other place to turn.. Calls to Bea McNallys go unanswered or with a free offer of a meal.. I would never set foot in there no matter what..

Washington Street Washington Street
Apr '19

or with a free offer of a meal


the monkeys come out of the sleeve


The original owners and the chef tried like hell to make it a success. They made sizable investments on interior restoration. They offered very good meals. Staffed very professionally.

Now ?

It's become nothing more than a party bar. When they initially opened, two things stood out...... half the area was a bar and the place was filled with TV monitors. It was immediately doomed as a restaurant.

The cuisine rapidly dropped in quality as chefs left when they saw the same fate.

Bea's makes a ton of money off their bar and lottery sales. A cash cow for the owners. I've been told that a former dining area now has a pool table as well.

Soon I expect them to lose their license and it will lie empty for a year as the gorgeous building becomes a target for vandals. Not good. The owners and management needs to reassess the business and either change it or sell it.

fire251 fire251
Apr '19

sure ...close a successful business that supports the town...….makes perfect sense !

Residents taxes can go up to offset the tax loss..

Call the school, take pictures , send them to the police and the school, they will have to deal with it .

Not clear why you would buy next door to a commercial facility and not expect to have "instances"..

steven steven
Apr '19

It would be funny to put in a motion detector that turns on floodlights and a lawn sprinkler system....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Apr '19

Oh JR, that’s awesome! Then add a surveillance camera to record the whole thing!

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
Apr '19

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ConcertGoer
Apr '19

Use the sprinkler as a delivery system for the bear spray? Brilliant!!!

ianimal ianimal
Apr '19

"Use the sprinkler as a delivery system for the bear spray? Brilliant!!!"


That would be HILARIOUS, if it were possible lol.

NJ would probably consider that "assault", because you know, they're commies like that.

Ideally you could feed the sprinklers through something that would color the water with dye... kinds like how you attach a hose to the lawn fertilizer bottles, the stuff in the bottle mixes with the water? Like how they put dye packs in with cash bundles to mark the perps.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Apr '19

I believe that size/strength bear spray is illegal in NJ.

YOU will be charged with a weapons offense if it’s used (on a person) - or even if they find it in your possession.

I had a can when I lived there, but it was on my mountain bike, mostly for bears.

Would I use it on a person if it was self-defense? Sure.
But peeing on your lawn isn’t the same as being attacked, and if you go outside to “initiate” contact that results in an altercation, again I’m sure NJ would be glad to arrest you.

Not saying I agree (you should be able to defend all your property, not just the inside of your house), just saying how it is so you are aware/prepared.

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Apr '19

"Not clear why you would buy next door to a commercial facility and not expect to have "instances".." -steven

Nice, blame the resident/home-owner. Unbelievable.

Joe Friday Joe Friday
Apr '19

Sprinkle some "raw" marijuana in the parking lot and our local cops will flock to the scene with cuffs and guns a blaze. It's really the only thing that motivates them.

Seriously, call the police and tell them "cough, drug deals, cough" are going down in the parking lot. They'll come and maybe bring back up.


Put up some cameras, put up some signs, problem will probably subside, or you will have evidence to pursue criminal/civil charges. Cops love to follow a mystery with a solid lead.

Amazing they are trouble. In my 30+ years here, I hardly ever see a Centenary student, much less an unruly one. So sad they are not better neighbors.

Bodes ill for those Historic district homes next to the pending Quackchek. Too many people. Residential and commercial don’t mix, need a buffer zone that isn’t someone’s home.

StrangerDanger StrangerDanger
Apr '19

Just wondering how some think this is funny - I'd talk to the mayor about it - perhaps a security guard can be required during night hours............

4catmom 4catmom
Apr '19

"Not clear why you would buy next door to a commercial facility and not expect to have "instances".." -steven

Nice, blame the resident/home-owner. Unbelievable."


I don't think Steven was blaming the homeowner, but when shopping for a house you do have a responsibility to be aware of the neighborhood you're buying into and anticipate potential pros and cons of living near a bar. Also, how is the restaurant responsible for the actions of a few individual jerks? It's easy to say what a business should or shouldn't do when you are not the one running it. They have the right space to focus on the bar business and their food sucks. It's making $$$ so what reason do they have to change their business model?

Washington Street - That royally sucks and it is a true shame you have to deal with such rude people. I hope you can find a reasonable solution! Motion activated sprinklers are not a bad idea....

somechik somechik
Apr '19

Seriously, while Bea's pays it's taxes to the town, this place has offered it's residents absolutely zero and wouldn't be missed if it burned down. The food has always been atrocious and it's turned into a gin mill for college kids for a college that pays zero taxes to the town.

This is a prime example why the BID in this town is clueless and has no foresight into what a small town needs. Does anyone over the age of 30 actually go here? Pretty building but what a damn shame to have another place to pass over. Once again Hackettstown residents forced to take their money and spend it in another town.

Good job to all that placed Bea's on the map I guess the liquor license was too valuable to pass up.


Maybe she bought BEFORE it was Beas. It has only been Beas for less than 10 years. Before that, it was a (quieter) Charlie Browns.

On a similar note, I bought BEFORE the whole school relocation because I actually like the idea of walking home from school on nice days. Now some of my children will be going to one elementary, and one at another. No more walking. Should I have not bought in a busing district? Or was I here first and have a right to be upset?

Localmom
Apr '19

All I know is one of my great accomplishments was to have the bus stop at my driveway. Bad news was it took till senior year in college to get the darned thing moved ;-).

Be careful what you ask for.

Stuff happens.

God has a miraculous sense of humor. Of course, miracles still happen ;-)

StrangerDanger StrangerDanger
Apr '19

Everyone has a right to be upset at whatever they want to. We can't predict the future or control everything about the environment we live in and it's your choice how you want to channel that energy and react to outside forces.

The OP is choosing to take action by calling the restaurant, police, and calling public attention to the clientele Bea's is attracting on a public forum. For Bea's to attract a classier, more mature clientele, they would need to change their late night entertainment schedule and get an excellent chef who can make them a good foodie spot. All I am saying is that as a private business they can do whatever they want and while it's disappointing people can't behave like adults and leave others alone it's tough to control individuals, especially when they are drunk, young, and wound up. So, I'm not sure what the solution is. The people who aren't into that type of bar scene and want good food already don't go there, so the people keeping the lights on and spending $$$ at Bea's are largely the younger people who are into that and want to come out to see a band at 10pm when everyone else is cozy in their pj's.

somechik somechik
Apr '19

Lets face it, Beas is pretty awful in my opinion. (please don't attack me, I'm aware some like it)

They have poor food, extremely poor service, it is dirty, and the management just doesn't care.

I have been there when the college crowd is there and just shook my head at what was tolerated. Urinating on the building, in the parking lot, fights, hearing glass breaking, (beer bottles ?) and just plain BS that I don't think that any restaurant would tolerate.

I would never go there again.

Bobbob Bobbob
Apr '19

The town should require them to have qualified security, not some roided up bouncers, as a condition when their liquor license is up for renewal. At least for Thursday through Saturday . As for centenary students, I know someone who lives on Moore street, the behavior of the students walking back to campus from the bar at 2 am is NOT good!

Deviljet
Apr '19

I agree 1000 percent Somechik. I wish I was able to move, but that is not in our cards right now. That is our choice and we will just have to deal with it. The OP is doing everything right. Even if she wanted to sell, it maybe hard. I just don't agree with those who say it is her fault for buying next to a bar.

Localmom
Apr '19

I live very close by to this place. I have been here when the place was empty. When it opened as Bea McNallys things were fine for the first couple years. Now its out of control. Thursday night's being the worst. I have seen the beer bottles, plastic cups,people puking people urinating and smoking weed. And i know its weed because i can smell it. Ive seen people drinking in there cars and tossing the empty hard liquor bottles away then going back in. Guess there charging too much for shots. Every morning early a woman comes and sweeps up the broken glass, beer bottles and other trash left behind. They spill out the front door and drink in the street. Ive seen there own security walk by patrons while there drinking and do nothing. Ive even heard one say your not going to get in trouble by me the cops you will. Yes i live that close. Try reporting your situation to the abc enforcement bureau. Maybe the Hackettstown police should move there headquarters on the upper level of the building being there always there now.

Fed up too Fed up too
Apr '19

Call the police each time there is a need. However I've been told by the police that they are dispatched and or patrol there almost every night. It is well known by the police that there is a growing problem in the parking lot as well as the neighborhood. I strongly encourage folks to attend the next council meeting, next Thursday the 25th 7:00PM and voice your concerns. The Mayor and council will do what they can to help restore a sense of law and order.


Just out of curiosity, but how much of that can be tied to Centenary? Most of the college population is probably under 21 I would assume. If there is a large college population, how much underage drinking is going on there then?

thomasnj thomasnj
Apr '19

We used to live on the other side of the fence from the parking lot... Absolute nightmare... People in our yard all the time peeing or thinking they could cut through from Washington to Bea's. Bottles tossed over the fence coming literal inches from hitting our vehicles, garbage tossed over the fence and the NOISE! Especially Thursdays omg we'd be woken approx 1:30am until about 3am...no one cared... People sitting on our front steps smoking and drinking on their way too and from the bar.. Complaints to the bar went unanswered or hung up on. So glad to be out of that apartment. Oh and FYI... We were in that apartment well prior to Bea's opening.

Weebiekins Weebiekins
Apr '19

Bea's opened in 2013, a couple weeks before St. Patrick's day.

Bea's is not an asset to the town. I'm sure they contribute to taxes, but the food and service are terrible and it attracts all the wrong people and way too much attention from HPD. You're going to get the occasional problem with any bar, but Bea's seems to attract every lowlife in every nearby county.

If you read the police blotter, there's incidents almost nightly at Bea's. Knife fights, fist fights, arguments, drunks pissing in the bushes, noise, and idiots who try to bust their friends out of a police cruiser. I will say this, I rarely see a local in the police blotters, they're all from out of town.

File a complaint EVERY time with HPD. But don't lie and make up crimes - that's filing a false police report. Get a security camera. Just in case. Even it if doesn't help catch a criminal, it will help an insurance claim should something happen to your car or house.

Maybe post the security camera images of drunk morons on here?

Thomasnj, that is a very irresponsible assumption, and would also have nothing to do with Bea's. If there is underage drinking, it's going to occur in the dorms and houses where someone over 21 can bring in alcohol, not in a bar that cards people. Also, Centenary has a lot of transfer students who are in the 20 and up age range and a seemingly large population of mid-20s students.

alpha1beta alpha1beta
Apr '19

"I'm sure they contribute to taxes"

Businesses have no impact on taxes, only property owners do.

This sounds like a nightmare. I agree with Greg about attending the town council meeting and stating your complaint publicly. Good luck.

Calico696 Calico696
Apr '19

My daughter won’t go back there. She said the place is way out of control. She goes to Marleys instead, she said it’s a much calmer atmosphere.

Positive Positive
Apr '19

Lol, the Hackettstown cops actually doing something about a problem ANYWHERE?!? That would be a first


So basically we've distilled this down to college students being the problem. Which they are. I had a house on my street next to the college that was rented to college kids one year...total nightmare. Noise and kids yelling in the street, beer bottles left on the lawns, cops there all the time early in the morning. It's time for these "adults" to start acting like it, instead of entitled spoiled brats. They are guests in this town. Act accordingly.

Eperot Eperot
Apr '19

we do live in a college town, and if the only problem is a Bee's that great. When you watch the news with all these other towns, having so problems at dorms, fraternity's. I know the police are called to the dorms also but, it could be worse. We should be thank full they are not running around the streets.

No I don't have any children at the college


SAAK - they are running around the streets though. Reread the original post and other posters who said they lived near Bea's and had problems with drunks trespassing and vandalizing property. Just bc something isn't at its worst yet doesn't mean we should let it slide - that's how things get that bad! We live in a pretty quiet and nice area and would like to keep it that way.

Somechick1 Somechick1
Apr '19

Couple more weeks they will be gone - not worth getting your ass kicked over.

Sell your house and move off Grand or Moore St and chalk it up to a learning experience - pretty sure that's how the heard migrates back to the college.


All im saying is them kids are away from home and acting like they dont have no damn sense. You can't blame mcnallys for kids pissing on your lawn, talk to the damn school and maybe they can do something about it Or if it was me beat a kids ass here and there, if you want to act grown you can get a grown ass beaten.

Matthew B. Matthew B.
Apr '19

Just a heads up Washington street, you may have more pissers during the week. McNallys is now doing a “Beat the Clock” beer prices starting at 8pm-.50 a beer and goes up every .50 till 1am on Tuesdays.

Parkerwalk
Apr '19

I wouldn't want to be a home owner in that area for the what has been going on but if anyone is trying to look for the silver lining, at least they are not drinking and driving!

Mel81 Mel81
Apr '19

"Sell your house and move" "chalk it up to a learning experience" ?? People should have to sell their house and move due to a relatively new business that can't control its clientele? I think it should be the other way around, the business owner, the police and to some extent the college need to take responsibility! When Centenary students are arrested in town, which is quite frequent, they should be identified as such, not just identified by their hometown, although it is usually pretty easy to figure out.

Deviljet
Apr '19

Devil jet is right. It’s not time to move. It’s time to get bear spray and sprinklers. Catch some of the amorous patrons in the parking lot. Catch some blowing lines and doing shots outside. Call the police. It’s time to take an active role. Not move away.

Herbert Nerbert Herbert Nerbert
Apr '19

Start going to council meetings and voice your concerns. Request security or police Thur-Sat.
Mayor and council approve the renewal of liquor licenses and may put restrictions and special enforcement items on it in order to renew.

Nutty Nutty
Apr '19

Word on the street is the fire inspector just shut mcnallys down. Anyone hear anything?

GrandAve GrandAve
June 24th

Just drove past there. Tape across the entrance with some sort of notice hanging from it. Could t read it from the street, but they’re clearly closed.


They are closed Mondays for the summer.

kb2755 kb2755
June 24th

is bea mcnallys selling.i saw on craigslist in the business section that there was a place in Hackettstown selling for 949k.holds 170 people and has a big bar.could not think of any other place that sounds like that.


Here is the ad. The name listed is a restaurant broker.

$995,000

BIG MONEYMAKER !!! BUSY MAIN STREET LOCATION, TURNKEY BUSINESS, 6,000 SF, 170 SEATS, BIG BAR, 40 SEAT PATIO, GROSS SALES OF $50K PER WEEK, PERFECT FOR THE EXPERIENCED RESTAURANT PRO*****CALL RON AT*****908-672-3126

The ad has been up for months.


Sounds like Mattars, maybe. They have a big patio, Bea McNally‘s doesn’t.

Pcisnt4me Pcisnt4me
June 24th

Can't be Bea's. That's 109 Grand Ave, with tiny 'patio'. Sounds more like Mama's, because of the patio seating. There's nothing listed though in Hackettstown on the man's actual website, so it could be bait and switch. Who the heck knows.

DogDayAfternoon
June 24th

DDA - I was thinking the same thing. Bait and switch.


It IS Craiglist, Greg. The only thing is how will they fit the restaurant in the trunk of their car and smell the rag? ;)

DogDayAfternoon
June 24th

Mama's is not 6000 sq ft.

happiest girl
June 24th

Mattars for "busy Main Street location"??? Doesn't sound right at all.

How about the Brazilian steak house? It has both the patio, the big bar, and the Main Street location.


Bea McNallys is the only one that could be 6000 sq ft. The front porch could 'technically' be the patio. You could certainly put tables there.

happiest girl
June 24th

Could it be The Tavern in Great Meadows?

Reggie Voter Reggie Voter
June 24th

I think it's a sham.
Bea's doesn't have 40 seats on the porch.
There are no listings matching it, so I'm with Greg.

Besides if it was Bea's they would list 'plenty of cop action' and 'public urination hot spot.'

DogDayAfternoon
June 24th

Look on craigslist --- if you put in restaurant in hackettstown it comes up, also with a map with hackettstown circled.

happiest girl
June 24th

happiest girl, that doesn't make it 'true'. I've answered actual ads for jobs over the years where they had the company and logo and so on and were fakes. I learned to contact companies directly after that to ask if they actually placed ads. You'd be surprised how easy it is to set up crap on Craigslist and look legit. Anyone can circle the town on the Craigslist map and so on.

DogDayAfternoon
June 24th

50 grand a week is not enough to make a profit. the turnkey aspect would make it a bit more profitable depending on overhead, but with today's rising costs it would provide a slim profit margin.

chef peder chef peder
June 25th

"Catch some of the amorous patrons in the parking lot. "

Ahhh, those were the days. Real passion, no fear, just pure enjoyment.

God bless those kids.....

callitlikeIseeit callitlikeIseeit
June 25th

The ad says busy MAIN STREET location. It’s everything is capitalized, it could be either Main Street or main street. The route that my tours on those technically qualify as a main road Bc it leads to 80.

Pcisnt4me Pcisnt4me
June 25th

The phone number is tied to Ronald Vannelli, NJ Restaurant business broker in North Brunswick.

https://www.businessbroker.net/brokers/ronald-vannelli-north-brunswick-new-jersey-6624.aspx


Someone call the number...

Roywhite Roywhite
June 25th

"They are closed Mondays for the summer."

Passed by there (Bea McNally's, not this alleged Craigslist property) again this morning on my way to work. As I posted yesterday evening, there is red tape strung across the top of the stairs on Grand Street. There are three sheets of paper hanging from the tape. From my car I can't read the sheets on either side, but the one in the center says "DO NOT ENTER".

It may be true that they're closed on Mondays during the summer (I don't know), but I'm pretty sure this is something altogether different.


it is only temporary.


I'm glad to read this. It's not my favorite restaurant in town, but I'd hate to see them go under.


Jim L, can you elaborate?

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
June 25th

no, sorry not at this time. I only share info on this site that has been discussed at public meetings.


Has anyone seen how many of the police blotters include incidents at this location??

I would love to see it replaced with a better establishment.

ProgressiveMom ProgressiveMom
June 25th

I agree. Seems like it's half the blotter. Nothing but trouble and mediocre food at best.

DogDayAfternoon
June 25th

I'm glad they came in to save and restore a historic building in Hackettstown, and it's always good to have more food choices in town. Far from half the blotter, if two drunken knuckleheads want to fight in the parking lot, it doesn't affect me. It's a bar, it's going to happen.


could it be David's country Inn?


I know the location that the ad refers to. It is not Bea's. Anyone who would like to know PM me. The price is now $899,000 by the way. Business and liquor license, not the building.


the food is awful there....


The old 'Bar 46' is my guess.


I'd say the food is mediocre there, not awful. But I'd much rather there be a mediocre pub in that space than have the building sitting there empty. Even if that means putting up with an occasional police incident there. And BTW, I live close enough that I can see most of the building from my bedroom window. It's not a public nuisance, as some would seem to imply.


Here’s a copy of the ad: https://newjersey.craigslist.org/bfs/d/hackettstown-restaurant-bar-liqlic/6905780122.html

There’s a Mansfield in south Jersey. Sometimes the maps don’t match the listing, just the person placing the ad, like a broker, in this case. Nothing, but the map, indicates Hackettstown (except for the link). Hmmm...The mystery continues. I’m not calling. Any volunteers?

Guilty-Remnant Guilty-Remnant
June 25th

No mystery. I know the business that is for sale. PM for info


I commend you, Greg for not being a blabbermouth on here.
I'm sure once you tell someone, they'll come back on and say it, though.

DogDayAfternoon
June 25th

LOL I hope not. The person I spoke with asked me to keep it "sort of" quiet.


The hackettstown police are basically useless when it comes to anything helpful. They probably rake in plenty of money handing out countless tickets to all these drunk college kids anyway.

Homosapien Homosapien
June 25th

Ssh, we’re selling and we don’t want anyone to know more than they need to know at the exact right time that they need to know only what they need to know.

You know what I mean?

StrangerDanger StrangerDanger
June 25th

Most likely taphouse, 38-40 seat patio, large bar, lots of seats.


I agree I think it’s taphouse ^

Michael Michael
June 25th

Oh man, is this gonna bring up “what is h-town, what is mansfield” again. Or where does Main Street end? On no..

StrangerDanger StrangerDanger
June 25th

I hope nothing happens to (changes) Taphouse. We LOVE that place, and are there alot. While I love James on Main and Pandan Room, Taphouse is my favorite restaurant in town. They make great food and great cocktails.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
June 25th

Thanks for the offer, to PM you,Greg. The forum is a lot more fun and suspenseful, though. I love reading all the “guesses”. I think we should start a little wager going. As soon as I figure odds, I’ll start taking everyone’s money..LOL!
JR..I just received a coupon, in a mail coupon pack. Hopefully it’s an indication that it’s not Taphouse. We are yet to try that place.

Guilty-Remnant Guilty-Remnant
June 26th

Guilty-Remnant

Taphouse makes some very decent burgers, that is if you're into them.

Phil D. Phil D.
June 26th

Love em! Thanks Phil.

Guilty-Remnant Guilty-Remnant
June 26th

Taphouse's bar pies (pizza) are also good.

Actually, I've never had a bad meal there.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
June 26th

I am a big fan of Tap House. Hope it’s not them.

Hot under the collar
June 26th

It's time for the owner of Bea Mcnally's to sell & get out. He is not nice to the public or his employees, has no clue on how to run a great restaurant. Take a look at the building as you drive by. Weeds everywhere, the cement parking stops disintegrating all over the place or out of place, bushes over grown, the roof leaks when it rains inside, sign falling apart, roof literally falling apart (look up) & siding filthy dirty. The entire place needs an overhaul & restart. Please sell to someone who cares.

HackettstownFan HackettstownFan
June 26th

Could it be Czig Meister?

Reggie Voter Reggie Voter
June 26th

Reggie Voter has the same thoughts I did, but since it mentioned restaurant with liquor license, I changed my mind since it only has the brewer's license and they can't serve food there.

That led me to think of the Churrascaria Paladar. My 2nd choice being David's Country Inn.

I haven't had issues the couple of times that I went to Bea's, but then it was more about hanging with my friends/coworkers. The couple of times I ordered food it wasn't bad, just not really much to speak of. It was adequate, but didn't stand out.

Phil D. Phil D.
June 26th

I do want to say, re: Bea's.... we had given up on it. A few weeks ago, some friends came into town because they wanted to go to Czig, and we met them there, then we decided to go eat... we tried Marley's, but the wait was too long (and this was on a sunday night!). So we RELUCTANTLY went to Bea's... the place was empty. No surprise.

However, I WAS pleasantly surprised by the new (to me) cocktail menu, as well as some new food editions. The cocktails and food were the best I have had there in a very long while. IDK if they have new management or a new chef or what (or WHEN, since we hadn't been there in a log time), but it was MUCH better than it had been in the past.

Still no TapHouse tho.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
June 26th

Tap House (burgers and thin crust pizza) and Mattar's are our favorites here. Marley's is fun and we'll even hit Applebee's - but Bea's is just a place for a beer or to see a band. The food isn't (or wasn't if JR is correct) any good. Although now if it's closed, makes one wonder if it was a health code violation or a liquor license issue?

Reggie Voter Reggie Voter
June 26th

Taphouse is one of the better places to eat. I have never had a bad meal or experience there.

I'm a big fan.

Bobbob Bobbob
June 26th

Today, the signs in the front of Bea's say to use the side entrance. Just drove by.

Somechick1 Somechick1
June 26th

JLambo where are the town meeting minutes?

HTMama3 HTMama3
June 27th

HTmama3-The meeting minuets for town council and other committees are available on the town website.


...in Word format only apparently. So if you don't have Office, you might have to download one of the many free Word emulators.

Reggie Voter Reggie Voter
June 27th

True.

What the hell is a meeting minuet! LOL I believe I meant minutes. Although the definition of a minuet is a slow, stately ballroom dance. I suppose it could apply at times!


Yes, by all means let me add another program I need only to read the town's website because they and Reggie Voter think the user of the website must meet what the town puts out, rather than the town meeting the general needs of the public at large and making them available in more than one format.

That's the only thing I'll miss about the backwater of the Borough of Hopatcong which puts their info out in pdf format. Apparently Hackettstown's too sophisticated and highbrow for that and has to output their info in a format that I have no need for, despite my years of weblogging and history research, etc. But that's ok, Reggie Voter can keep intimating I'm a Luddite or country hick since I'd prefer things in pdf format, even though I've been working with computers since High School in 1972 with punch tape, punch cards, etc.

Maybe I'm moving back into the wrong community with parts of it too stuck up for my taste I've worked in various areas of the customer service industry for years as well. It never hurts to make information more easily available. Pdf simply is more universal to begin with, at least in my apparently unsophisticated mind. Apparently I'll be forced to DL a "program of bloat" that I don't need or use anywhere else, just to read part of the town's website. Thanks so much, I guess I should squeal in delight at this opportunity.

Phil D. Phil D.
June 27th

Greg

In the case of many towns, "Minuet" is what they usually do in the "closed sessions" that aren't open to public discussion or when members of the Town Council are flippant with the general Public stating that they know what's best for the town and will broker no discourse on the matters at hand insofar as public discussion or admitting that the public should be heard and not just seen.

By virtue of their election they have been elevated to the level of "Dancing Gods" that needn't answer to the public at large in terms of sewer contracts, privatization of the garbage pick up and the various abuses that IMHO the Borough of Hopatcong (which I'm leaving) in years past has pushed on the people, including casting a deciding vote for an incapacitated Council Member.

Funny enough though, that despite all that, they inform the public via pdf, rather than a mix of doc and pdf (as Hackettstown, the place I've missed and am returning to uses) so they (Hopatcong) can easier let the public know they're being screwed over, although their 6 month or so delay at doing so let the people who couldn't make the meeting wonder in suspense at how they'd recently been screwed over, that is, unless they visited Town Hall when open and saw the typed copy on the bulletin board. I'll have to see how the Council meetings go here.

Despite the website I don't think I ever found as much "minuetting" (sp?) going on here as has gone on there, though I'm sure opinions on that may vary in terms of some people's input on the CVS deal, etc.

Of course that's all my backwoods take on the matter, you know IMHO and all that.

Phil D. Phil D.
June 27th

Phil, omg you're knickers seem knotted. What word processing package does not accept word docs? Thought that was table stakes for any package? Or just use this: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/doc-viewer/9n69kfjds28z?activetab=pivot:overviewtab

Besides, I want them to convert it to ppt's with encapsulated readers to reduce verbiage because I like tight, bullet points, versus long-winded verbose treatise-level tomes filled with the pomposity of elite words. Brief, yeah, that's my mantra all righty.

If H-town was really cool, they would add: "there's a link for that....." just like folks do for the pdf's to avoid customers conniption constipation.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
June 27th

This town is far from perfect but it's hard to bust on them for putting the minutes out in a universal format that can be read with freeware. Two long winded rants plus the previous posts about it?

Reggie Voter Reggie Voter
June 27th

Says Strangerdanger, the KING of long winded nonsensical posts.

Johnnyrotten Johnnyrotten
June 27th

Not a fan. Very poor service and food is only ok at best. Shocked management and or ownership has addressed the issue

Awesome Awesome
June 27th

Can't say I ever remember a post on here from Johnnyrotten- but he must lurk enough to call out SD! Made me laugh.


Self deprecating humor. Only the pure of heart can understand ;-)

It’s not long winded that’s the issue; it’s the very s l o w r e a d e r s.

StrangerDanger StrangerDanger
June 27th

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