2019 MLB Season
I guess it's time to start this thread, since the 2019 HOF inductees were announced.
Mariano Rivera was voted in unanimously. Roy Halladay (posthumously), Edgar Martinez and Mike Mussina round out the class.
I'm so glad to hear that Moose got in. I was wondering if he was going to be one of those players that just sat on the list until time ran out.
Pete Rose and Barry Bonds aren't in, but Edgar "I can't field a baseball to save my life" Martinez is? The Baseball HOF is almost as big a joke as the Rock and Roll HOF at this point...
Thanks for starting this thread, Calico. It gives me hope that Spring and baseball WILL arrive!
A really nice tribute to Mo by Derek Jeter.
"Who were the idiots that voted for Placido Polanco"
I'm still trying to figure out how he was even on the ballot.
It's less than 2 weeks until pitchers and catchers report!
I see that the Yankees and Mets are both playing at 1:00 this year on opening day. I'm hoping we will be having our annual get together again.
What is going on with Bryce Harper and Mike Trout? What are the chances they'd both get signed with the Phillies?
Who wants to pay over $300 million for Harper... He's hit .240 something 2 of the last 3 years.
I'm all for Pete Rose getting in. The gambling stuff was after his playing career and he was punished by being banned from employment by MLB.
Is Moose getting in as an Oriole or Yankee? He actually won more games as an Oriole and was an All Star and the ace on some contending O's teams early in his career, after they drafted him out of Stanford and put him on the MLB roster quite quickly in 1991. He was part of the last team to play in good old Memorial Stadium (which means nothing to people who were not O's fans pre-Camden Yards).
Wrong ! Pete Rose bet on the Reds while he was player/manager for them in the late 80s at least over 50 times . His memorabilia is in the Cooperstown baseball HOF , but he will never be inducted . And Mike Trout is not a free agent , probably thinking of Manny Machado , a slacker on the basepaths who the free spending buy themselves a championship Yankees don't even want !
Dowd interviewed many of Rose's associates, including alleged bookies and bet runners. He delivered a summary of his findings to the Commissioner in May. In it, Dowd documented Rose's alleged gambling activities in 1985 and 1986 and compiled a day-by-day account of Rose's alleged betting on baseball games in 1987. The Dowd Report documented his alleged bets on 52 Reds games in 1987, where Rose wagered a minimum of $10,000 a day. Others alleged to have been involved in the activities claim that number was actually $2,000 a day.
In an era where PED users have probably been inducted, I think it's time to let it go and let Pete in. It's ridiculous to keep out the all time hits leader. The HOF is hardly full of people of integrity.
"Is Moose getting in as an Oriole or Yankee?"
he's going as team neutral. it's all the rage now.
In agreement with Mr. Met on THIS thread … perhaps the hardest thing to learn in our lives is the art of forgiveness, and when to understand that something was so long ago that it is time to let bitter feelings subside. Pete has been punished and been through a lot!
Pete Rose was a player/manager, remember? Remember when he refused to give up playing first base and managing at the same time? He was a real jerk when asked about it too.
He was in a unique position to throw games that he was betting on, and he did.
There is no way that this bum should be allowed in the HoF.
His defenders say he bet on the Reds to win, although I understand the argument that if he's betting on a game, he may be making decisions such as using an overworked reliever, that would negatively impact his team a couple of days later. The issue is, he has been punished, removed from working in the sport forever, and for two decades he was great for the game of baseball.
Many would argue that compulsive gambling is an illness, similar to alcoholism and other addictions, and is to be treated in a way that mental illnesses such as schizophrenia or bipolar illness need to be treated -- not in a punitive way that you'd handle a common criminal with a violence problem.
The guy has the most hits of all time. I could see keeping him from working in baseball, but he belongs in the HOF for the great career he had.
Lets put Pete and Shoeless Joe in, the same year. Wouldn't that be cool? Think that ceremony wouldn't get some big time media coverage? Kevin Costner would be there :-D
Especially now that gambling is ok in baseball, why keep anyone banned from the HOF... It's idiotic.
Gambling by players and managers is still not okay though. Nor should it be!
With the contracts they have now, who needs to gamble, throw games? The better you perform, the more you make. Charlie Comiskey isn't an owner anymore -- thank God.
The thing with Pete Rose is, Pete HIMSELF signed the paper stating that he accepted a lifetime ban from baseball/ HOF. I think he thought he was bigger than the game itself, and with his accomplishments he thought there was no way baseball would keep him out of the HOF. Do I think he should be in YES, but he is the one who signed the document stating that he accepts a lifetime ban from HOF. So be it.
Thanks for the link. As far as I know, the Hall of Fame is not officially joined to the MLB as a corporate entity. Like a newspaper selecting an all-star team, the HOF is not bound to the dictates of MLB. A lifetime ban from working for MLB is not a lifetime ban on being chosen for the Hall of Fame.
So sorry to hear that. A great one for sure. RIP Frank.
Jake Hall made it on this video as the second batter. Might be some future major leaguers on here.
As far as Pete Rose, how can any Mets fan forgive him? Bud H lives in my home town (Hauppauge) and I chat with his son on Facebook once in a while. Unfortunately he (Bud) isn’t well.
Davey Johnson gave some heartfelt tributes to Frank Robinson on WFAN this morning as Ed Randall's Talking Baseball started another season. MASN's Orioles hot-stove shows had plenty of tributes and memories all weekend, from old teammates Brooks Robinson, Jim Palmer, Boog Powell ...
A good video about the only guy to be MVP in each league and the first black manager in each league … look at his career numbers and you'll be amazed at how few times he struck out … a far, far better ratio than today's sluggers … Frank had great baserunning instincts as to when to take an extra base … so many of the little things that make a big difference. RIP to the man who transformed the Orioles from a good contending team into World Champions.
The Bryce is right for the Phillies :-D Funny thing is, when Bryce has collected his final paycheck as a Phillie 13 years from now, Bobby Bonilla will still have four years worth of checks coming from the Mets!
For the baseball gamers among us, which MLB game is better on the PS4 platform, RBI or The Show?
I've always bought The Show in previous seasons, but RBI is out now whereas The Show doesn't come out for another 3 weeks. Is it worth it to wait?
The Show is developed by Sony and is only available on the PS4... so I decided to get a copy of RBI for the Xbox One in my bedroom.
If it turns out to be disappointing, I'll get The Show for the PS4 downstairs...
Word on the street (that would be Facebook LOL) is that Clyde Potts is down in FL to take in a Mutt's spring training game.
I figured that, too, Metsman... but they publish roster updates for online download every single week anyway, so what's the big deal?
I haven’t gamed much last few years but never went online for anything. Guess I’m old school I expect everything on the game itself.
very sad he won't be able to remember how great he was:
HOFer Tom Seaver diagnosed with dementia
He's been ill for a long time. A year or two ago it seemed as though he couldn't remember things or speak very well. Plus they have kept him off camera for a long time. It's very sad. The family probably felt forced into making an announcement because of the upcoming 50 year celebration of the '69 Mets.
Check out this box score, pretty sure it still is the longest 1-0 game ever played and Seaver pitched 10 scoreless innings without a decision!
That's how baseball is - not too many guys are going to go 3 for 4 against Seaver or Glavine or Scherzer unless they (pitchers) are having a really bad day. Thankfully there aren't too many of those guys, so you make it up against the others, and work toward a decent average.
So let's talk meet-up. Yankees and Mets are both playing at 1 on opening day. Location suggestions?
What day is it? And who gives a flying fig about when the Skanks and Mutts are playing? (-;
I've got dinner plans that night... if I go, it's gonna have to be Sharky's for me. Anyone is free to join me or obviously you're free to carry on without me somewhere else. Maybe we can FaceTime (-;
I can make it wherever. I polished off my last bottle of Hop Juju ianimal. Have to hit up the BiL for the next release....
The Juju should be a lot more available this year. They used to only release it in February, but will also be producing/releasing it in June, September and December this year.
Good to know ianimal.
So, other than driving up to VT, how does one get their hands on some Heady Topper?
Make your brother-in-law drive up to Vermont? AFAIK, it's not distributed outside of VT...
Re: the RBI versus The Show comparison... I've spent an hour or so playing RBI... I'm not sure what was a bigger waste of $30, this game or the first bag of weed I ever bought that turned out to be oregano, lol.
Don't worry... I'll get The Show too. I'll let my 5 year old play the RBI. It's pretty simplistic...
Yeah, that's my understanding ianimal. My last boss had a VT house and was going to pick me up some, but then he had to go and get another job. The nerve.
Interesting rule change for 2020. Relief pitchers will be required to face a minimum of three hitters barring injury or the end of the inning.
No more bringing in a lefty just to face a big left-handed bat (unless there are two outs, I suppose...)
When are both leagues going to have the DH? I've heard that's part of the bargain to increase the number of jobs in MLB … I've heard talk of rosters being expanded to have a 26th man as part of all this.
The Buccos have an extremely similar one... albeit with a "P" on it. You can be the proud owner of one for the low, low price of $39.99.
Who the hell is going to pay $40 for a ball cap? Especially one that probably doesn't go with anything you have in your closet?
What's your pick for minor league stadiums?
Has anyone tried Skylands last year for those Canadian Miners?
How about Allentown or Scranton?
I love baseball live; hate it on TV. Did not go last year, but would like to resume this year. Looking for family fare, not drunken nightmare (poetry, eh?). Like places with "special" seating, willing to pay for the spiff.
I've only ever been to Allentown out of those three (I think Calico has been to SWB for Yankees MiLB games, though)... highly recommend. Not a bad seat in the house, fans are friendly and respectful. Ticket and concession prices are more than reasonable.
Been to Skylands, fans behind us were obnoxious, seats were good but really dirty. Had to literally wipe the cobwebs and dirt away. Food was meh.
Coca Cola Stadium is great. No complaints.
TD Bank in Bridgewater is my favorite. Best prices and crowd.
Would love to get to a Trenton Thunder game one day.
We've been to many Trenton Thunder games. Nice stadium and crowds. Fun ride as well.
I have yet to go to the TD Stadium in Bridgewater. I always hear from all who have been there that it is a nice venue. Fairly close too.
All the minor league stadiums discussed above are lots of fun, been to them all. If you get a chance, check out the Lakewood Blue Claws at the Jersey Shore (Phillies - A) and Harbor Park in Norfolk, Va. … where the Mets had their Triple-A affiliate for many years, now the Orioles are there. Norfolk is my favorite, with all those Navy ships nearby.
When I lived in Mass, I had season tickets at Wahconah Park for a few years when the Mets NY-Penn League team was there - old time but fun stadium!
Then I had season tickets to the Skylands for ten years when the Cardinals were there. That stadium was good when they had the affiliated team there. I knew Phil Pepe - funny thing is, my son played for his grandson (who was in the Cubs system) years later in summer ball.
Coca-Cola Park is my local favorite (maybe because my son played there twice.)
This summer TD park is on my list.
All that said, how can you have a bad day at a ball park?
I’ve been to all them in NJ (don’t forget Montclair) and Allentown in PA, which is probably the best. If your a “ball fan only” skip Skylands that level is barely college ball.
I forgot about the Jackals in Montclair! I haven’t seen a game there yet but the Yogi Berra Museum that overlooks it is great!
I agree that the level of play at Skylands in the Can-Am League is not great. I really do miss seeing the Cardinals' prospects and the New York-Penn League… even tho the Miners won the Can-Am playoffs last year. Well, I'm glad the stadium is still in use, it's got that "field of dreams in a cornfield" feel ... I saw a game in which the shortstop made five errors and the Miners still won. But the post-game fireworks were good :-D
… people will come, Ray, they will come … maybe they'll get another Class A franchise one of these years … we can hope,
I saw a Jackel game, met Yogi, got his autograph on a ball, toured the museum, watched the game with nasty lightning in the distance on a otherwise beautiful night. That was a grest minor league experience.
BTW George Scott was one of the managers.
Thanks to minor league baseball (Arizona Fall League) Alex Ochoa is the answer to this trivia question … what professional athlete was a teammate of Michael Jordan, Deion Sanders and Ken Griffey Junior?
Over 20 years ago I saw Alex go five-for-five, with five RBI including the walk-off-RBI in the 11th, and that's after he threw a runner out at the plate with a sizzling (you could hear it) throw from right field. He hit a homer that disappeared into the trees beyond all the advertising … most of the homers bounce off those billboards. You remember a game like that. He was an International League All Star (along with some guy named Jeter) but was a journeyman in the majors, mostly a pinch runner and late inning defensive replacement … I saw Alex make a nice catch in Trenton to preserve a perfect game for Rick Forney (who never made the majors) … that's the point … a lot of these guys become "good old whatshisname."
One more and then I promise I'll go away for awhile. The first minor league game I ever attended was in Miami, when the Marlins were an Orioles' farm club in 1969. Don "Groove" Baylor was a 20-year old at the time and hit a double and triple while playing a great centerfield. He was the Minor League Player of The Year in 1970, but still had to go back and play another full season in Triple-A because the Orioles did not have a spot for him. His Orioles days ended in April of 76 when he got traded for Reggie Jackson.
Nice. It'll be good to see everyone... and get away from this damn desk for a few hours, lol.
I'll be watching the CCM Titans take on Lackawanna at home as much as I'd like to see my Mets play tomorrow.
Weird terms (for anyone but the Mets, I guess) for Jacob deGrom's contract where he's going to be getting deferred payments of $57.5M or more in the 2030s... Jacob deGrom Day anyone? I think they might have made their last payment to Bobby Bonilla by then, lol...
Had a great time meeting up with my fellow HLers at Sharky's for opening day. Glad the tradition is still going!
I had a blast too, Calico.... might be your last one in Jersey.
Next year, maybe we'll meet halfway... somewhere off of I-70 in Ohio. Should be interesting, lol.
I recall people hating the O's after they won three consecutive pennants and over 300 games in the process between 69 and 71, but there ain't no reason to hate them now … it would be like hating the children at the orphanage.
I'm sure somebody has shown this video to this year's Orioles for inspiration … if nothing else, it's a tribute to the kind of manager Frank Robinson was :-D
Stanton placed on the 10 day DL with a bicep strain.
Stanton was hurt quite a bit when he was a Marlin , now Yankee fans get to see what Clint Frazier has . I'm glad that old Mets players Todd Frazier and Lowrie started out the season hurt to see how Pete Alonso and Jeff NcNeil would hit in the bigs , which is very well so far . So glad they didn't trade McNeil (nicknamed the Squirrel) in the Cano deal no matter how much Seattle wanted him .
Mets are off to a 3-1 start. Pete Alonso is a beast. You know at the crack of the bat when it is crushed.
They've been the kings of April for a long time, an 11-1 start last year and the best record in openers of any team ever … Tom Seaver has a lot to do with that … they've certainly had ace pitchers … Gooden, remember R.A. Dickey? Now deGrom at a time when it seemed a foregone conclusion that Matt Harvey would be baseball's dominator.
By the way, where is Ike Davis these days? I see Lucas Duda is with the Twins now.
Ike retired back in November. That hitch in his swing was awful. Pitchers learned how to get him out.
O's also are 3-1, but it is too early to start bragging. After all, they had three games with the Yankees, who looked like my grandmother could strike them out :-D
Yes, I see the Royals picked Luke up on March 22, two days after the Twins released him.
A rookie first baseman who really impressed me learned to switch hit in Double-A back in 1976. A roster spot opened up for him in 1977 because Reggie Jackson left the Orioles for the bright lights and spotlight of Yankee Stadium … first time I saw Eddie Murray come to bat on opening day, I said to the guys I was with, "this man looks like he's up there to HIT" … I mean, he had malicious intent and purpose and a taciturn "game face" going on there … now he's in the Hall of Fame :-D
My Mets are leading the NL East right now , but manager Mickey Callahan looks like he won't last the season with some of the bonehead moves he made last night . Not taking Familia out when he was walking the park and later putting in a player who can't bunt , Travis d'Arnaud to bunt was beyond mind boggling clueless - I'm guessing bench coach Jim Riggleman will be the manager before season's end . Probably the reason he was put on the team in the first place .
The Yankees have so many injuries now with Greg Bird now going down with a foot injury it looks like they have hired the Mets' conditioning coach . Do they really have to mention that Ellsbury is on the injury list ? By now it should be a given that is his natural position LOL !
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