Current Events Thread

Thought I'd start a new thread to catch some of the recent current events and issues we all face. I'll start off with the discussion about banning the traditional Christmastime song "Baby It's cold Outside". I think this is a great song and those who are saying it's stalker-like or misogynist or predatory are off the mark. Can't we all just enjoy a simple fun tune like this without getting all wrapped up in knots? Do we have to find offense in everything these days?

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

So if those songs are offensive it leads me to question 90% of rap songs out there....

What's up with that?

So a song from 1949, when things were very different is not okay, but with the "morals we (apparently) now have "singing" (I personally wouldn't call it that) about murder, rape, hate words, drug use...etc. is perfectly acceptable?

Can I ask how is that not hypocritical?

Darrin Darrin
Dec '18

Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer promotes bullying, Charlie Brown Thanksgiving is racist...never ends these days.

Local chef
Dec '18

Saw this on FB. LMAO

Since some radio stations have decided to pull “Baby it’s Cold Outside” from their playlists because someone was offended, I feel that these other holiday songs must also be removed as they are offensive as well.

Do so immediately.

1. I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus: subjecting minors to softcore porn
2. The Christmas Song: Open fire? Pollution. Folks dressed up like Eskimos? Cultural appropriation
3. Holly Jolly Christmas: Kiss her once for me? Unwanted advances
4. White Christmas? Racist
5. Santa Claus is Coming to Town: Sees you when you’re sleeping? Knows when you’re awake? Peeping Tom stalker
6. Most Wonderful Time of the Year: Everyone telling you be of good cheer? Forced to hide depression
7. Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer: Bullying
8. It’s Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas: Forced gender-specific gifts: dolls for Janice and Jen and boots and pistols (GUNS!) for Barney and Ben
9. Santa Baby: Gold digger, blackmail
10. Frosty the Snowman: Sexist; not a snow woman
11. Do You Hear What I Hear: blatant disregard for the hearing impaired
12. Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas: Make the yuletide GAY? Wow, just wow
13. Jingle Bell Rock: Giddy up jingle horse, pick up your feet: animal abuse
14. Mistletoe and Holly: Overeating, folks stealing a kiss or two? How did this song ever see the light of day?
15. Winter Wonderland: Parson Brown demanding they get married…forced partnership

See how ridiculous everything can be twisted? Everyone gets so offended these days that it is impossible to even communicating anymore. We as a society can’t have any music, interact with others, build anything, believe in anything because someone else will be offended. Just stop the madness.

Calico696 Calico696
Dec '18

The sad truth Calico is that some idiots will think you’re serious . I read on NJ . Com that the Princeton choir can’t sing the Disney song “Kiss the Girl” from the Little Mermaid due to its “toxic masculinity “.

What kind of sick and demented mind thinks like this? I worry for my children and generations to follow.


“What kind of sick and demented mind thinks like this? I worry for my children and generations to follow.”

The desire for sameness is what this is. Sorry, but that’s *never* going to happen. Oh, does T Swift have a song lie that? Gonna be banned lol

justintime justintime
Dec '18

kb2755 - Talk about ridiculous. SMH

Calico696 Calico696
Dec '18

I think Darrin hit it on the nail.

Rap songs that use racist slurs are o.k. to people if they identify with the singer in a racial or cultural sense. But, it doesn't excuse the fact that those songs that use racial slurs are racist. And, the people singing it are racist. Speaking racist words tends to make you a racist, even if it's a word of your own race.

nobody nobody
Dec '18

It's definitely sad. I hate Christmas music, retail for years has ruined that, but to go to this level is absurd. It's complaining to complain. BTW don't bring rap music into it, these same people have given anyone of color, or identity, a free pass to do what they want. I want everyone to be happy too. It seems those that try and start an unnecessary drama just want their mouth heard.

Yesimpc Yesimpc
Dec '18

"I saw Mommy kissing Santa Claus" - - - oh yeah, that's just got to go, families raising kids in a morals free, sexually explicit environment should expect a visit from DYFS for sure.

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

It's like this with EVERYTHING these days, even weather reports!!! Everything is turned into something YUUUGE, even before it happens.

Someone smells Russia? "Trump cheated, the Russians hacked the election, Trump's illegitimate, he must be impeached!"

We *might" get snow NEXT weekend (or even 10 days from now)? "We may have a MAJOR Nor'Easter happening this weekend, that could dump up to a foot of snow across the region, and even more farther north"

Franklin has to sit on a deck chair in Happy Thanksgiving Charlie Brown? OBVIOUSLY RACIST.

Oh you voted for Trump? So you're a racist, misogynist, p&*sy-grabbing, rich-white-loving, gun-toting, country bumpkin, bigot.

3 measles cases reported in? OMG!!! It's an epidemic!!! Save your children!!!

You want a wall? So you're a racist who doesn't care about people and you have no compassion.

You own guns? OhMahGaaaah you're one of THOSE people!! You obviously don't care about children being killed!

You're a capitalist? Oh so you're a greedy, people-hating, money-grubbing, evil person who doesn't want everyone to get "their fair share"

Nativity scene? WHAT??? SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION!

Kapernick kneeling? Freedom of speech! The first amendment (conservative speech) being quashed at universities? Silence. Or even worse- RIOTS to make sure the first amendment is quashed, because THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS.


It really is a mental illness at this point. EVERYTHING must be instantly escalated into high drama, fear-mongering, I'm-right-you're-wrong, No-we-can't-civilly-disagree-because-THE-WORLD-is-at-stake, the country is ending, it's the end of the world, etc etc etc.....

It's very tiring dealing with mental midgets like this. Sheople who LIKE being told what to think, who LIKE not having to critically think for themselves, who like being a "part of the 'in' crowd (or what MSM tells them is the in crowd). Who savor group-think. Who can't handle being disagreed with, because it might make them question their own opinions and WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!!! I CAN'T BE WRONG!!! I CAN'T LEARN ANYTHING, BECAUSE I ALREADY KNOW EVERYTHING.

Some days, I do not recognize my country.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Funny how we are so busy not offending anyone, we have ended up offending everyone....I wish everyone would just give it a rest and smile more....

citychick citychick
Dec '18

+1 citychick

Calico696 Calico696
Dec '18

Kung Pao Buckaroo Holiday- by Brad Paisley
(how to be politically correct during the holidays)


How 'bout we sing some holiday songs?
Yeah, hey George, you wanna lead us off?
Yeah, I got one.
Oh Chri-bleep-mas tree oh Chri-bleep-mas tree how lovely are thou branches?
Why am I getting bleeped?
Haven't you heard guys? You can't say Chri-bleep-mas you gotta say Holiday
I can't say Chri-bleep-mas?
No you might offend somebody.
Who is offended by Chri-bleep-mas?
You know you might offend the bleep and the bleep and the atheists.
What?
Time to be politically correct.
I'll lead this off.
On the first day of Chri-bleep-mas my true love said to me?
Jimmy, are you listening?
What?
You can't say Chri-bleep-mas.
Why can't I say Chri-bleep-mas?
I didn't make the rules.
Hey listen guys, it's not that difficult,
all you gotta do is change Chri-bleep-mas to Holiday.
You know, instead of saying white Chri-bleep-mas, you say
I'm dreaming of a whi-bleep Holiday.
Why did I get bleeped?
You've got to say Caucasian.
So I have to sing, I'm dreaming of a Caucasian holiday?
Sure, that won't offend anybody.

Why do these people have to feel that way?
How come they get offended so easily?
I'm just trying to come up with a song here.

We three kings of bleep are bearing gifts we've traveled real far
Sorry boys, you have to say Asia now.
What?
Oh, come on just try.
We three kings of Asia are
That sounds like horse bleep
Oh lord, okay. How 'bout Little Drummer boy?
Nope, that offends short people.
And you can't say drummer 'cause that will offend real musicians.
How 'bout little town of Bethlehem.
What's this with all the short jokes?
Hey how 'bout we do Silent Night?
No, it'll offend people who are hard of hearing and afraid of the dark.

Well, it's a Kung Pao Buckaroo Holiday,
Whatever you do watch what you say,
If you're easily offended well that's okay,
It's a completely non-offensive and politically correct holiday.
Hohoho!
No.
I can't say ho?
No you might offend some women.
So basically we can't sing anything?
I think that a bunch of bull bleep.

You now what? I don't care who we offend,
I'm gonna sing Chri-bleep-mas carols if I wanna sing Chri-bleep-mas carols.

Me too.
We wish you a merry Chri-bleep-mas, we wish you a merry Chri-biip-mas,
we wish you a merry Chri-bleep-mas, and a happy ne-bleep year.
We can't say new, it'll offend the old folks.
And you never wanna offend them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwKI82CTp2o

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Why should the racist Lord of the Rings Trilogy get a free pass? (and the nonsense continues):

Tolkien and ‘The Lord of the Rings’ Accused of Promoting Racism Due to Orc Discrimination

J.R.R. Tolkien’s famous and influential series, The Lord of the Rings, has been accused of purporting racism and discrimination due to its depiction of orcs.

“But it’s hard not to miss that repeated notion in Tolkien that some races are just worse than others. That some peoples are just worse than others. And this seems to me, in the long-term, if you embrace this too much, it has dire consequences for yourself and for society. So, Senator Bilbo is a parody in which you have a racist demagogue stomping around the world of the halfings in a sort of desperate holding pattern to keep at bay all the change that is coming about as they resolve the Lord of the Ring."

http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/11/26/tolkien-and-the-lord-of-the-rings-accused-of-promoting-racism-due-to-orc-discrimination/


OMG ! I can't even . . . with all this nonsense. (lol)

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

New song lyrics redux length record!

Ain't no one raining on my Christmas parade in honor of the birth of Jesus.

"But baby, baby
Remember, remember
It's my life and I'll do what I want
It's my mind and I'll think what I want
Show me I'm wrong, hurt me sometime
Some day, I'll treat you real fine" The Animals.

And I will watch all the Rudolph I want while singing "Baby, It's Cold Outside" to my baby followed by baying at the moon that the Russians meddled in our election telling JR what to think, and he listened, and now Flynn is recommended for zero jail time because he is such a helpful guy to tell us all those redacted "substantial" details about linkages between Team Trump and Russian officials Pages and pages of redacted things. Enough to earn a get out of jail free card. Heck, if Roger Stone can plead the fifth and not even be in court, bay away..... bay away

On Friday, Mueller will detail, for the court, Manafort's lies, document is expected to be unsealed, and hopefully we will learn more about the inside workings of Team Trump during the election and transition.

Yes, it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. Red noses are in, orange hair is out.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

on another front, Berkeley settles free speech lawsuit:

Conservative groups settle campus bias suit with UC Berkeley

U.C. Berkeley settled a lawsuit by conservative groups who accused the university of bias after it decided to move planned evening talks by commentators Ann Coulter and David Horowitz to daytime hours at buildings far from the center of campus. The two conservative commentators ended up canceling their appearances.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Conservative-groups-settle-campus-bias-suit-with-13440307.php

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

I love it when the constitution wins!

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

People are so busy trying to change things that already happened, essentially trying to erase history...wouldn't it make more sense to spend the time making sure we learn from our mistakes and make our children aware of past mistakes so that their future is better better? Seems like a a$$ backwards way of doing things.

Some good quotes all by George Orwell

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”
― George Orwell

“The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth.”
― George Orwell, 1984

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Darrin Darrin
Dec '18

This is what you get with the far left agenda.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

$70K for a Coulter cancel --- priceless!

Wow, our history has been erased. Amazing. And it's all my fault. Incredible. Once again may I point out that the world is your oyster; you own it all. The agenda is all yours, has been for two years. Perhaps act like it.

I mean at least until next month......and then how you will howl.

Good thing we have our newest founding falter ensconced in his oval orifice to lead us by example. Such values, such truth, such a grasp of history, tradition, and culture. Gotta love the walk of the bloody Christmas trees. Now that just screams it's going to be a Russian Red Christmas...….

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

“Make Orwell fiction again”

Don’t know who said it but it’s such a great statement.


+1 JR, I also love it when the constitution wins. Its a good thing

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Looks like many are upset with our culture change. Its just Caesar taking control of his people preparing them for the One World Government. You just cant handle freedom, because its Not Fair.

Old Gent Old Gent
Dec '18

Well said Old Gent.

kb2755 kb2755
Dec '18

Darrin I understand the point your making but those quotes are from a work of fiction right?

Roywhite Roywhite
Dec '18

Great Orwell quotes, Darrin!

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Figures you'd be one to criticize the Christmas trees in the white house SD... Still waiting for the Russian collusion info... Just a lot of perjury traps and inventions of crimes by Mueller and tax evasion.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

https://www.nj.com/politics/2018/12/katie-brennan-speaks-for-the-first-time-publicly-my-voice-went-unheard-by-murphy-administration.html

very interesting, I will be watching this story.


Well well well.... "#MeToo" under Murphy? Very interesting indeed.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

One World Government? Didn't Trump end that? Aren't we all Nationalists now?

It's a crying shame when winners whine like losers. I just don't get it. It's like we gave you the keys to the car and you forgot how to drive :>)

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

"very interesting, I will be watching this story."

Very interesting indeed. Ms. Brennan claims to have made Governor Murphy aware of this quite awhile ago.

Calico696 Calico696
Dec '18

S.D... Old Gent's point can be found in the Bible. You are misunderstanding the reply
he has made... It's not Trump who is leading us into the one world government/ global unity, it's "the other side."

Old Gent... Correct me if I'm the one who misunderstood!

Spring Fever Spring Fever
Dec '18

Thanks Spring. I just wondered why its still an issue during the reign of Trump.

JR- yeah, I noted that too. Did not Murphy say and do the right things?

Not being flip, the story was long and meandering. Not sure who’s on first except the victim and the assailant. Process wise, can’t tell if something evil happening, something bureaucratic, contacted wrong people instead of police or some combination.

Glad there’s a committee investigation.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Just Goggle, What the Bible says about one world Government. It says a lot

Old Gent Old Gent
Dec '18

Got it. Just seems that once its antichrist time, the concept of government, one world or many, is kind of a moot concept. I mean if we got Ceasar and the beast; I’m listening to the beast, Caesar seems a bit superfluous at that point.

Then again much is confusing me today and if a little pc means the antichrist is coming, man we got problems.

Will we have antichristmas then? Can’t imagine that nativity scene. Probably look like a Roden sculpture

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

"criticize the Christmas trees in the white house"

Red trees aren't my thing, but apparently some people like them.

I will say, though... even if those trees in the White House were green, they'd still be ugly. Just stupid foam cones with berries stuck in them... it doesn't look like a tree at all.

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

SD... to further clarify

You are right, Trump is attempting to hold off the one world government push which was setting up under Obama, however, Trump isn’t always going to be in charge. Once those who are of the global mindset take over again, what is written about in the Bible will escalate and what is written about will eventually take place.

Spring fever Spring fever
Dec '18

I am having trouble understanding how this thread has turned political like every other thread on here. Being this area is very conservative and I tend to have more liberal points of view I try not to go into political threads. Both sides have there own opinion about first amendment rights, the right for peaceful protest, and the right to choose the color of your Christmas tree. But this thread is about sensitivity to certain subjects in our culture now. That is a bipartisan issue. Liberals and conservatives alike are sensitive about their own topics. Just because I can understand people's concerns about the lyrics to songs (and that I am liberal) doesn't make me a snowflake......it makes me empathetic. I also feel that people can be too sensitive about things whether it is because they are old so no longer culturally appropriate or they look too deep into the meaning of the words.
I heard someone say recently they would not let her daughter watch The Little Mermaid because Ariel gave up her voice for a man. I see it that some would do anything for love. Different opinions, different approach, our daughters will both probably grow up just fine, and we are entitled to our own opinions as long as we are not hurting anyone else.

Mel81 Mel81
Dec '18

Trump Did what was for told in the Bible and he probably did not realize it. Proclaiming Jerusalem the Capital.

Old Gent Old Gent
Dec '18

"But this thread is about sensitivity to certain subjects in our culture now."

Not specifically... that was just the first "current event" to be discussed, but the thread wasn't intended to limit conversation just to the one topic.

Feel free to continue that train of thought, or bring up anything else happening in the area/world that may foster some discussion, political or otherwise. This also helps keep other topics "clean" from political stuff unless a bunch of CNN fans join the mix ;)

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

"what is written about in the Bible will escalate and what is written about will eventually take place."

"Trump Did what was for told in the Bible and he probably did not realize it. Proclaiming Jerusalem the Capital."

While I respect your opinion and your devotion to your religion greatly, I seriously doubt a bunch of stories written in a book can accurately foretell the future.

Calico696 Calico696
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

“Words matter” say PETA:

More lunacy

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

One other thing I have seen for told in my lifetime was, The Jews being back in there home land. I have seen two of these story's come to reality. IMO

Old Gent Old Gent
Dec '18

There’s something wrong with people that can’t let their kids enjoy fairy tales…. They’re just stories. What’s next, comic books and movies depicting supervillains as bullies to society are unacceptable to read or watch… I guess Thanos is the biggest bully of all. He wiped out half the population in the universe in Infinity War… People need to take a big step back and realize these progressive ways of thinking are insane. If the Ocasio-Cortez’s of the world take over, the human race is doomed.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Yeah Old Gent, but the world was not listening...….

If Obama was the advent of the "one world order," he certainly screwed the pooch letting Hillary take the helm. So given that massive mess up, are you really concerned Obama will be back to "one world order" you again....

Or does the beast have to get here first?

Wait, isn't it New World Order? And isn't it ten world governments represented by the ten-headed beast? And then the antichrist takes over from the ten? So it was a New World Order of ten heads evolving into a One World Order of the antichrist.

But Glenn Beck says it's Muslims..... You seem to say its' Obama.....

Certainly some confusing times; I am in rapture.

Yet if all of this ends up with Jesus and his bride returning, rapture, and then the Millennium, followed by a new heaven and Earth ----> what can I say: be happy, don't worry. Do unto others and have fun.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Calico, to doubt is your God given right and you are not alone...but I pray for a number of you on here to change your minds.

Spring fever Spring fever
Dec '18

I’m sorry the rest of my above post was not shown. Oh well...

Spring fever Spring fever
Dec '18

Why Mets, is Cortez anti fairy tale or just a socialist?

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

She's just a socialist, she said recently the 21 Trillion in accounting errors by the Defense Department could have funded Medicare for all.

kb2755 kb2755
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

Cortez is ignorant. Literally ignorant of how government works. Ignorant of how economies work. Ignorant of what socialism actually is, as well as what capitalism actually is. She is the prime example of the brainwashed fools the public school system and especially the university system in this country have been molding and shaping all these years. She is their Frankenstein. She is their entitlement generation poster child.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Who knows what she thinks of that topic. She's a very bizarre person.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Kb—yeah, that was a bonehead move. She is not Spartacus.

But, by the same token—-nice leap of judgement JR. Got facts. Of course not.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

"Calico, to doubt is your God given right and you are not alone...but I pray for a number of you on here to change your minds."

Please don't waste your prayers on me. If you wish to spend your time praying, do so for a more worthwhile cause. I mean this is the nicest way, honestly. :-)

I apologize that I didn't quote your whole post, but I didn't feel the Trump part was relevant to my comment.

Calico696 Calico696
Dec '18

Facebook censors picture of Santa kneeling before baby Jesus, "may contain violent content"

OK.....

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/facebook-censors-image-of-santa-kneeling-before-baby-jesus-calls-it-violent

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Cortez: the 3 branches of govt are the presidency, the senate, and the house LOL

Literally ignorant of how govt works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=N2xDm-Y4l_4


Every time Cortez "got it wrong":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WG7LLEwJaE

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Wondering why there is a catch-all "current events" thread, when every current event seems to get its OWN thread, lol....

ianimal ianimal
Dec '18

SD, I am not saying it is Obama, or any one else. I just watch the world turn and Pray to my God through Jesus, who went to prepare a place for me and all believers. If I had my faith in Governments I would not be able to sleep at night.

Old Gent Old Gent
Dec '18

By the time Cortez is done that you tube video will be a miniseries. She's so painfully ignorant.


good point old gent, i find that most who do put their faith in governments do not sleep well at night.

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

I don't care so much for the fake current events.............

two things from the Brennan article caught my eye
1. After Murphy won the race for governor in November, Brennan said Alvarez was appointed deputy director of personnel for the transition team, responsible for hiring decisions at the same time Brennan was vying for her current position as chief of staff for the housing agency.
2. “I knew if I wanted to continue to pursue my career in housing and government in New Jersey, continue to be involved with the Murphy campaign for governor, I would inevitably cross paths with Mr. Alvarez, ......


JYM, she's the Democratic yin to Sarah Palin's Republican yang, lol...

ianimal ianimal
Dec '18

I am glad you sleep well; just trying to understand this One World stuff. Always strikes me as funny folks thinking a cabal of rich guys can get along much less take over the world.... sleep well and prosper.

Jr: well smack my face and call me silly. Even your use of that rag can not diminish the dimness of Cortez. What a joke. I am stupicus. Congressional comedy. Hope she gets smart quick or the world will eat her alive. Might start by shutting mouth.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

“as long as we are not hurting anyone else.“

That’s the rub: everything the govt is involved with hurts someone. Most simply don’t care as long as they perceive a personal benefit or the benefit is for someone that they agree with.

Anyway, I find it somewhat humorous that people are trying to do the “sameness” thing with regard to anything personal (individual) yet in the world of entertainment all I see is old ideas being rehashed.

No imagination in either of these areas though, so I guess that’s the real problem.

justintime justintime
Dec '18

I slept very well last night after hearing Michael Avenetti decided not to run for President in 2020.

kb2755 kb2755
Dec '18

Really? Even if he picked Cortez to be his running mate? Wait, is running mate code for chased rapes?

Kneeling Santa, PETA, baby its cold, rudolph, —-is no one thinking about what they say and print? Words do matter. Shame them all for being stupid

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Turns out Flynn helping in THREE different Federal investigations. One with the President, a criminal one (probably Turkish kidnap scheme), and one more mystery investigation.

His stuff is so good he gets off because Mueller has even been lending him out. Quite the talker apparently. Man, that Don can really hire well.

Flynn’s cooperation has “helped” others to remember. A full year of whispering in Mueller’s ear. Lots to share.

And the best memo statement that, like Flynn, senior leaders should come under a higher, special scrutiny. That means you Ivanka, Jared, and Don. Turns out that’s in the DOJ playbook ——go Bob.

And the Don says NOTHING. Hmmm. No Flynn is the devil tweets?

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Listened to end, very sincere and moving. Maybe some (little) of it sunk in with Trump?

https://youtu.be/wiTAa72-qT8


“Kneeling Santa, PETA, baby its cold, rudolph, —-is no one thinking about what they say and print? Words do matter. Shame them all for being stupid”

As does context. In this case thanks for the lol ;-)

justintime justintime
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

Upside down

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

current news update:: Yesterday the 3rd circuit court tells NJ gun owners they must render inoperable magazines that old hold more than 10 rounds or surrender them to the government :

December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban

https://cdn.ymaws.com/…/le…/third_circuit_opinion__p0156.pdf

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Remember, tomorrow is Friday and that means, it's Mueller time!

On Friday, Mueller will tell all about Manafort's lies in order to dump his plea and continue to lock him up. Since cheating on a plea is often seen as worse than the crime, it's lock him up time for sure.

Might be redacted but probably will not be sealed.

Hopefully there will be more messages to Don on this one, since he already has been talking to Manafort, than the eerie foreshadowing of Flynn's three investigations, one criminal, of which we only know about the Russian version.

Mueller wisely has been throwing anything not-Russia to other arms of DOJ, smart move given the Trump misinformation PR machine. Of course he took Cohen back in when the time was right.

He is following the "Nixon papers," just released because two lawyers on K street mysteriously filed for it, as his mechanism for removal. If Trump does not fall before xmas, it's on to the House for further investigations.

Heck, if this was the Benghazi investigation that lasted over 4 years and yielded nothing, absolutely nothing, we would only be halfway in, and this time there are already many witches indicted, jailed, singing like songbirds, and turning on each other like mobsters on the take.

Couldn't happen to a nicer gang of thieves.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

As usual Dem law makers blame the device instead of the person. Instead of wasting millions of dollars on illegals, how about fortifying our schools and hiring retired cops to protect them. This state is a joke. If Murphy isn’t a one term Governor then people are insane.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

"If Murphy isn’t a one term Governor then people are insane" Would that be the ones voting for him or the ones staying to vote against him or both? I vote both:>) After all, it is NJ.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Stock market continues to crash
, err...” correct” under the weight of the Coward in Chief’s steady (?) policy hand.
Who’d a thought this could happen under the tutelage of someone that that has only declared bankruptcy 4 times?
Edward G. Robinson in the “ Greatest Story Ever Told”...
“ Where’s your Messiah nowwwww?”

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Yeah cuz the stock market never fluctuated under other presidents....

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

China, China, China.

There is no deal, roll out the tarriffs. I am tarriff man, hear me roar. Taxation without representation is my style. My peeps love to pay more if they love me.

There is a deal, best deal ever, delay the tarriffs. Don’t cry for me Wall Street. I fixed it. Trust me.

There isn’t a deal. I was joking. It was hyperbole. The new deal is close. Really close. Tell Wall Street.

I will never bend to the swamp that is Wall Street.......until today.....

Fixed assets looking berry berry good. Trump economy shakey today.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

“ Where’s your Messiah nowwwww?”


LOL. You're related to Rachel Maddow, aren't you? They say lunacy is in the genes (along with OCD-level obsession over tax forms)...

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Question: How many people here would get into a self driving taxi?
Waymo One launched in Phoenix yesterday. I don't think I would but then again I don't use taxi service. 400 Pacificas in the fleet. From what I've read there will be a driver in the self drive taxis for now.

https://tinyurl.com/yalvxzcv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBcgczeH0K8


Not me. I don't trust AI that much, and I never will. One of these already killed someone BTW. The person killed was jaywalking (so wasn't supposed to be there), but still...

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

JR-
I’m thinking you pay taxes.
Coward in Chief stated that only stupid people pay taxes.
Ergo - Coward in Chief called you stupid.
Coward in Chief stated that he would release his taxes.
Ergo- Coward in Chief Lied to you.
Where oh, where is the bottom for you??
He calls you stupid and lies to you.
Grow some , maybe??

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

In other news, I had my mind blown when I found out about this. Ralphie from A Christmas story was also in the movie Elf! Whaaat!?

https://www.wkyc.com/article/entertainment/movies/social-media-freaks-out-after-realizing-ralphie-from-a-christmas-story-is-also-ming-ming-in-elf/95-620733242

I can't believe it's the same person---->

3wbdwnj 3wbdwnj
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

LOL
Even though it's obnoxiously accurate!


"Grow some , maybe??"


ROFLMAO.... that's richer than Trump himself, coming from YOU!!!

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Is dropping the f-bomb more socially accepted when used in abbreviations?

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Um... who is dropping the F-bomb? (unless mods nuked it already)...?

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Republicrats...

Just sayin’ ;-)

justintime justintime
Dec '18

CBGB - not me! Never going to get in a robot self-driving cab. Don't trust them.

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

GOP pushing hard for additional funding and development of self driving vehicles.
They feel this will further eliminate the need to take responsibility for any of their actions.

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Sorry JR, maybe your "grow some, maybe" F means something else...….going Battlestar Galactica on us?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Even the very liberal Boston globe is not onboard with Elizabeth Warren running for president. WOW!


Boston Globe To Warren: Lie-A-Watha...Don't Run In 2020

Former Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick has opted not to run. Anti-Trump lawyer Michael Avenatti has decided not to run in 2020 either. But Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) is considering it. She looks to join one of the wackiest presidential fields in recent memory. The 2020 Democratic field is going to be a freak show—and a large one at that. Yet, there is one publication that is urging her to follow Avenatti and Patrick’s lead as well. The Boston Globeis suggesting that the fake Native American bow out

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/12/06/boston-globe-to-warren-dont-run-in-2020-n2537115?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=&bcid=d44cbf48eb313ab34cc5fb772ab63232&recip=21095195

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Donald Trump is really melting down on twitter today. How can people not see that this guy is bananas? I don't get it.


I agree, Warren should not run. Lightning rod, no compromise.

Today we have Comey meets Congress, specifically Republicans, specifically behind closed doors, even though Comey demanded a public hearing, they couldn't take the heat, could not stand the sunlight.

Then we have The Manafort Papers as Mueller details the lies leading him to drop Manafort's plea deal. There may be a new deal, perhaps not. The document will probably not be sealed and may or may not be heavily redacted in the right places. First, Mueller may want to assure Trump that he's got some lies in his written answers and Mueller knows. Trump has been talking to Manafort, so Mueller loses nothing to Trump by allowing those things to go public. We will see, but it will shed more light on investigation.

Kelly and Trump not talking, expect Melanoma to become Chief of Staff :>)

Trump nominated Bush AG Billy Barr. Barr has Trump view on executive privilege and "lock her up," but probably is legit enough. Trump will be surprised by the outcome on this, heh, heh.

Butina going through final deal making for her plea bargain to sing to the Feds. Got to worry NRA and Republicans she targeted because, well, because she could. This deal could go public any day now.

My oh my, Trump gonna have a hot, cold, weekend. Let the tweet storm follow. Where's the Flynn tweet?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

"Sorry JR, maybe your "grow some, maybe" F means something else...….going Battlestar Galactica on us?"

Dude, you need to stop day drinking, no one... including YOU... knows what you're talking about LOL


BTW... ROFLMAO
Rolling
On
Floor
Laughing
My
A*#
Off

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

So... apparently Mary (Jesus' mother) was a victim of #MeToo: God was a rapist.

“The virgin birth story is about an all-knowing, all-powerful deity impregnating a human teen. There is no definition of consent that would include that scenario. Happy Holidays"

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=11607

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

"God was a rapist." ???

Good Lord, look what's it come to, wow, just wow!

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

JR,

OMG!!! What did you just post?

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

Comey's lawyers advised him not to respond to some questions asked at the hearing today. Wonder why?

kb2755 kb2755
Dec '18

Probably because he'd implicate himself in wrongdoing.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

claiming that you are offended is equivalent to stating that you are incapable of controlling and managing your own emotions so society needs to do it for you

skippy skippy
Dec '18

Incorrect Skip.
One is free to internalize one’s feelings and/or objections.
Society is not required to satiate you.
Lashing out emotionally or more seriously, violently is when society might be required to act.

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

DOJ lawyer is not allowing Comey to answer because they have a ongoing investigation and grand jury. Horowitz and Huber have been working these cases for a year.

Rosenstein is no longer in charge of Mueller or anything else important. Comey has been in front of the grand jury.

These document cannot be released until DOJ is ready to proceed to court. Do not forget 66,000 sealed indictments. Clinton Foundation Whistle Blowers in the news! New AG announcement- good times

Skippy Skippy
Dec '18

Well, it was that other f jr; you know just because i was wrong doesn’t mean you didn’t use it before... you got to look beyond the lie ......kidding.... you got me sheriff, I’m going down for the last time.....busted....

Pretty funny.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

don’t disagree stymie

Skippy Skippy
Dec '18

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"claiming that you are offended is equivalent to stating that you are incapable of controlling and managing your own emotions so society needs to do it for you."


An idiot's proclamation.

But ...... I guess you won't be offended.
lol

happiest girl
Dec '18

hg, if one didn’t control their emotions wouldn’t you agree that the prisons would be filled to capacity? Scary thought there.

When I get offended it’s usually for the reason Skippy mentioned - my emotions take over and my logical brain shuts off. The only way out of that trap is to compartmentalize the idiocy of what was said and recognize that everyone has a right to their own opinions, no matter how ignorant. Then let it go.

Wouldn’t it be great if more folks could muster the control needed to do that? Instead we tend to get idiotic statements, like the folks offended by religion who then claim that Mary was raped by the God who offended them. Stuff like that.

justintime justintime
Dec '18

just --- claiming you are offended is not the equivalent of being incapable of controlling your emotions.

happiest girl
Dec '18

What the hell does that FREAK have on it's head? I am offended by it's ugliness. Change would be good, try a different color. And take those stupid ears off (if that's what they are). Only children wear happy hats with style. If that is a brand, it's repulsive.

auntiel auntiel
Dec '18

hg i agree, you're correct - being offended and how we each deal with that offense are two different things. But I’ll also agree with Skippy in that being offended is an emotional reaction to the ignorance of others.

justintime justintime
Dec '18

Yep - thanks Justin. We all have the responsibility to act appropriately and not let our emotions control our actions. Everything does not need to be legislated or banned that someone finds repugnant.

Skippy Skippy
Dec '18

Jit; our prisons are already filled to capacity. We are the incarceration nation.

Banning these songs is not snowflake, its just silly. There’s lots of silly pc out there. Just another offense not to get all emotional about.

Compared to other current events, it’s a nit

Think Baby it’s cold ban was 3 radio stations, one brought it back already, another is about to, listener demand, and the third is under heavy listener rebuke. To me, that’s a good thing and what PC is all about. Being polite, listening, and trying to take the path of least offense. This time, after some discussion, it seems the song is apropos for the time and not that nasty for our time —-most people love it and so we party on.

Now if I could only get those Blue Oyster Cult lyrics out of my mind. Loved em from the beginning, actually read the lyrics a couple years ago and concluded I was whacked to listen to that crap. Telling me it was sarcasm or humor didn’t help.

Review is always a good thing so I kept the albums :-)

I think this Christmas goose is cooked. Pardon my French, vegetarians and goose lovers of the animal persuasion. No apologies to Trump-type goose lovers :-)

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

JR,
Hope you got my sarcasm in my post.

WTH, sure you did.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

dodgebaal,

LOL yeah no worries.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

skippy said "We all have the responsibility to act appropriately and not let our emotions control our actions. Everything does not need to be legislated or banned that someone finds repugnant."


+1 Mr. Skipp, spot on correct, this is as true for banning Christmas songs as it is for forcing people to destroy, modify or turn in certain magazines because they hold more than 10 rounds. Good point sir.

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Trump sees no collusion, no problems, no worries in latest memos.

Bwhaaaat?

Talk about poking the bear.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Yes, Mr. Trump has said Mueller has cleared him, no collusion. "AFTER TWO YEARS AND MILLIONS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS (and a cost of over $30,000,000), NO COLLUSION!" he boldly goes where no lawyer would dare to tred…. No, Mr. President, it's not $30M, and we are less than halfway into a Benghazi-level investigation and we have 33 indictments plus 3 Russian companies, a couple dozenf Russians who can't tread anywhere with US reciprocity, and 7 guilty pleas/convictions. The witches are coming home to roost Mr. President.

Guess in patting himself on his own back, the Don missed the potential campaign finance violation and the pages upon pages of sealed/redacted Manafort/Cohen memos because they deal with….. Russia… Not to mention the lies Manafort told about Russian Kilimnik. Cohen mentioned scores of Russian outreaches to himself and Team Trump including a few attempts to set a Putin meeting that involved Ivanka. This is where business meets politics and family is indeed, the family.

Being an idiot as to what was going on might be good news for Trump because the only way he gets out of the two charges of campaign violation is to prove he’s an idiot totally unaware of the law that says you can’t pay off your illicit affairs with women using hush money during your campaign for President. Since Cohen used corporate dollars, there’s an solicitation of illegal corporate campaign contributions as well which is why the publisher turned state's evidence so quickly. It is certain that Cohen knew the law, he is a lawyer, but Don’s knowledge will have to be proven and he does have idiocy on his side….

So, we are up to two campaign finance violations where the government now alleges Trump was complicit in the conspiracy. Previously Cohen had made that charge n court but now the government is saying it in court. They are saying they have the facts to indict. Matter of fact, they note that a number of the campaign members plus Trump were involved in the violations meaning there’s a lot of people extra nervous this weekend. Especially the liars. Oh yeah, there are recordings……

But Don, even when guilty of campaign finance violations and lies of such magnitude that they may have cheated Hillary out of the Presidency, you will always have "no collusion" to keep you warm in your retirement.

Then there’s his Russian business dealings, both of which went into 2017. Both the campaign finance violations and the business dealings were hidden from his voters under direct questioning where Don repeatedly lied to the public. Many believed him, even voted for him, and still support him as the legitimate President today. But, let’s face it, he cheated, he lied, he won.

Meanwhile the Southern district listened to Trump and threw the book at Cohen whose only path out is giving good stuff to Mueller. May be too late for that, he may not have it; we hope he gives it his best effort to tell the truth.

Question: has any HL Trump supporter changed their mind as to whether this guy is a lying, cheating, crook?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Why does the 2nd amendment not rate as high a fundamental right like the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments do? Why is it ok to keep chopping away at it like it doesn't really matter?


Third Circuit: Second Amendment is a Second Rate Right

The two majority judges followed the trend of other Circuits where the Second Amendment is being degraded and reduced to second-rate status. Only a month ago, the First Circuit ruled the Second Amendment does not apply outside of the home.

The rogue Circuits are able to do this because the Supreme Court has been refusing to hear Second Amendment cases for nearly a decade. The Supreme Court only hears a limited number of cases. They are not required to hear all cases.

Some Circuit courts are gutting the Second Amendment by claiming it is not really a right. Rather, they say, it is a privilege the government may regulate if the government thinks it might do some good to regulate it. These Jurists seem embarrassed by the Second Amendment. They seem to believe their job is to limit it as much as possible, rather than to protect it as a fundamental right.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/12/third-circuit-second-amendment-is-a-second-rate-right/#ixzz5Z7LqI7iY

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

So pointing out obvious flaws in your arguments means one is a supporter of Trump? Interesting view point. Completely wrong, but interesting.

justintime justintime
Dec '18

Coincidentally just saw this article that sums it all up pretty well imo:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/a-trump-haters-guide-to-mueller-skepticism

justintime justintime
Dec '18

That Vanity Fair article is perfect! “Trump’s behavior may be sleazy but not illegal” sums it up ...”and in comparison to other elites ...like the Clinton’s.”Spot on! Exactly.

Thanks justintime, great link.


Re: Current Events Thread

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JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Hmm, did I say that or are you pointing out the big picture, as you see it, totally objective, so therefore I’m not.

Just read the memo’s.

As to equating Mueller with Starr, that’s laughable. Campaign finance violations are a long way from lying about a bj. Lying about your business so you can.be elected is not lying about a legal dalliance.

As to the rest I agree. Everyone is baking the cake before they crack the eggs. The Guardian story is the best example of being in front of your headlights; even looks like fake news we all lapped up. But these memos are the goverment talking. And indictable crimes are being talked about.

We all want it to be over, but if you were Mueller, would you stop now or after January? Now or after you have all your facts? Now or after Manafort cracks, Cohen coughs up more, Stone crumbles, and Corsi cries. Even Butina may have more to offer on her pending plea bargain, who knows.

After all, Trump is a vengeful most power man in the world with a Lazarus ability to slip the noose. You need half the Republican Senators to believe, you have to be sure.

Read the memos; indictable campaign finance crimes, compromising Russian business deals, lies, more Russian reach-outs and contacts, and pages and pages of redacted Russian results.

You tell us what they say. Or maybe the 30k foot view of what they mean.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

“You tell us what they say. Or maybe the 30k foot view of what they mean.”

Can’t. I agree with your other statement:

“We all want it to be over, but if you were Mueller, would you stop now or after January? Now or after you have all your facts?”

Looking back at the past year and whatever, which one of us posted “facts”, because facts are our friends, and then jumped directly to a conclusion that Trump and company colluded with the Russians to win the election? Hint: It wasn’t me. Which also means that one of us isn’t following their own advice.

So I’ll say it again, because I guess saying it a hundred times isn’t enough, that only when the investigation concludes will any of us know if the original accusations prove true. So every time you present a “fact” then jump directly to a conclusion I am certain that someone here will point it out and you’ll still argue about it...

justintime justintime
Dec '18

I thought Trump paid for his own campaign so if its his money then campaign finance law doesn't apply. Nice try though SD.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

"Looking back at the past year...." You may be right here, but I thought I had agreed that there are no facts pointing to collusion at this time. Otherwise, do you think I would be bothering with anything else?

At first, I detailed how Trump built his business on top of Russian investment and sales and how he, like much of his top administration, is deeply beholden to Russia not just to selling some things, but to their lifetime careers. Hanging with the like of Sater is like hanging with Don Corleone and not expecting to "do a favor.". Trump and his son have told us the Russians are worth billions to them, the only bank doing business with him owns the largest Russian money laundering fines, and just got raided again in Germany for laundering investigation, again.

That was before the election and, now thanks to recent disclosure, continued during the election. Many of those investments remain today as a historical and present source of potential compromise.

Did Trump collude. Was he compromised. No facts directly say that. Is he dirty with the Russians. All fingers point to him being in a position to be beholden based on his, and his son's, own words, tax filings and other facts.

During the election, there were all sorts of crimes. The indictments, guilty pleas, and people in jail speak to that. Has Russian collusion been proved: of course not. What we do know is:

- much outreach from Russia to team Trump and vice-versa
- a number of face-to-face meetings between Russians, Russian surrogates (Saudi's), and Team Trump
- an arrested Russian spy infiltrating the NRA and other Republicans
- Trump family members and others trying to set up secret communication backchannels from Team Trump to mother Russia
- Trump family business dealings in Russia held secret from the American public, while Trump lied about his dealings as described by Trump himself.
- seeming Team Trump fore-knowledge of specific email releases
- Trump publc request to hack the emails which apparently, timing wise, was listened to, joke or not, you be the judge.
- a situation where, during the election, Putin knew Trump lied about his business dealings ongoing in Russia and therefore Putin was in position to tank the election for Trump at any time by exposing these lies.

There's more, but that's enough for now. So no collusion for sure, but here we have a group of people who frequently flaunted the law having many contacts with Russians while their leader, Trump, is indebted to Russia for his very existence,

So, to say, "only when the investigation concludes will any of us know if the original accusations prove true" is painfully true. But if one can't even entertain the possibility based on the plausibility of their history, their character, and their past deeds, well, that's one way to go.

And for the memos, if you can't read them and come to any conclusions re: campaign finance violations at minimum, instead concluding: "Can’t," I would say you have your head in the sand.

As to the rest, feel free to argue away. That's why we have forums. And you seem a bit testy today so swing away Merrill, swing away.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

You don't seem testy at all, jit. It's just a waste of your time here and it must get tiring.

All I know is that no Russian made me vote for Donald Trump, but the Clinton's and the Obama's and the liberals sure did.


“You may be right here, but I thought I had agreed that there are no facts pointing to collusion at this time. Otherwise, do you think I would be bothering with anything else?”

But do you finally understand why some of us gave you such a hard time last year when it was “all Russia, all the time”? If not then this’ll be more wash, rinse, repeat...

justintime justintime
Dec '18

I wonder how violently the Coward in Chief’s Head will explode when junior is brought up on STATE charges that he will be unable to pardon.
I’d pay good money to see that.
But, we’re all paying for tRUMPS idioticy already.
Ain’t Karma da bee...

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

"All I know is that no Russian made me vote for Donald Trump, but the Clinton's and the Obama's and the liberals sure did."


DING DING DING we have a winner!!!!! I've been saying it ad nauseum- the press is no longer trusted, not anywhere near what they used to be (just look at CNNs ratings)... every time more attacks and hate were targeted at Trump, either by the press or democrats, it just caused Trump voters (and possible Trump voters) to dig in their heels even more.

The extreme lunatic fringe left (which includes alot of the MSM) MADE Donald Trump President of the United States.

If they would accept that fact, and moderate themselves towards the center, towards a more JFK-democrat party, they could get rid of him, but they just keep doubling and tripling-down on the lunacy. Every Xmas song that gets banned, every cartoon that's called a "problem", every "big Mueller announcement" that produces nothing concrete, every month the investigations (witch hunt?) continue, every attack.... is not helping them. Should be interesting when Pelosi becomes majority leader in the House and starts the nonsense all over again.... (she's certifiable; why do you think Trump WANTS her to be speaker? Because she gives her side a very bad and extreme representation of "democrat", that's why.

I hear they're seriously considering Biden in 2020? Really? But isn't he an "old, rich, white, man"? Hmmmm...... ;)

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Blah blah blah. Lame agents

Weedwacker Weedwacker
Dec '18

If anything, Comey re-opening the email investigation right before the election affected the outcome. It probably pushed fence sitters toward Trump. I'd love to see an example of what the Russians did... It's just McCarthy era tactics being used by the Dems to blame it on the Russians.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

""All I know is that no Russian made me vote for Donald Trump, but the Clinton's and the Obama's and the liberals sure did."
DING DING DING we have a winner!!!!!"
And how did you arrive at your conclusions about the Clinton's (both of them?), the Obama's (oh, hate the wife too, eh), and the liberals (every last one of those.....)? Could it be the Russians?

"I'd love to see an example of what the Russians did... It's just McCarthy era tactics being used by the Dems to blame it on the Russians."

The alt right's ability to avoid the facts is beyond incredible. Fact is you don't know who told you what and you don't even want to look.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/facebook-russia-ads-posts-hillary-clinton-most-bizarre-posts-election-2016-a8032436.html

130,000,000 Americans saw one of these posts and this is just the tip of the alt right fake news barrage. Sure, you say you never saw any of these. But did you see any of the down-stream effect? Do you realize it only takes hours to infiltrate and saturate the alt right blogosphere? Do you realize how many "extreme right bias," "questionable factual reporting" sites I have dinged on HL alone. Heck, just from JR alone..... :>) Sorry, but true.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/read-social-media-posts-russians-allegedly-used-to-influence-the-election/

I know, you didn't see any of these either so you are safe. Sure....

https://www.recode.net/2018/5/10/17339864/congress-russia-advertisements-facebook-donald-trump-president

And you didn't see those either, I know.

Do you know how many pieces the Russians placed for you to see? Do you know how many pieces were created downstream from that for you to see?

Without even looking, how can any of you be sure? Because you know your own mind? Yet at the same time, you say MSM is poisoning mine? Well, at least mine is good ole fashioned American spin.... Comrade.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

No one obsessed with hating or defending Trump knows their own mind. Every single person in this category is being led with a virtual nose ring by the powers that be who hold the reigns. What you are being spoon-fed as "news" is not the actual News, nor the true, important current events. I would say "wake up" but their grip is awesome, it's far too late, and in reality, most people prefer to be led by the nose.

It's easier than thinking for oneself, and more fun to fiddle while Rome burns.

Rebecka Rebecka
Dec '18

"No one obsessed with hating or defending Trump knows their own mind. Every single person in this category is being led with a virtual nose ring by the powers that be who hold the reigns" Actually, it turns out that if you are not in one of these two camps, you think you are superior, thinking for yourself, and really alive but instead they are dead from the neck up.

:>)

Might be true, right?

“I believe in everything until it's disproved. So I believe in fairies, the myths, dragons. It all exists, even if it's in your mind. Who's to say that dreams and nightmares aren't as real as the here and now?” J. Lennon

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

this forum topic's responses give new meaning to the word brainwashed...

zentravl zentravl
Dec '18

The truth would indeed be too scary for you to contemplate, SD. So you will continue to remain hypnotized by the dancing lights on your TV set.

Rebecka Rebecka
Dec '18

"It's easier than thinking for oneself, and more fun to fiddle while Rome burns."


+1. Profound. And True.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

“I believe in everything until it's disproved. So I believe in fairies, the myths, dragons. It all exists, even if it's in your mind. Who's to say that dreams and nightmares aren't as real as the here and now?” J. Lennon


No wonder SD is caught in an alternate reality, if this is his guideline for "truth"....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

I honestly just spit out my cereal laughing, Rebecka!
Your whole post. Perfect. Say no more.

All he can do is comfort himself with ALL the fan mail. LMAO!!


"The truth would indeed be too scary for you to contemplate, SD. So you will continue to remain hypnotized by the dancing lights on your TV set."

How do you even know.

This is your opinion.

Just remember, I am making a list of who's naughty or nice.

Cereal, 10:30am, Sunday. Yeah, you're living all right. And stay out of my mailbox you Russian you.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

"But do you finally understand why some of us gave you such a hard time last year when it was “all Russia, all the time”? If not then this’ll be more wash, rinse, repeat..." I live in Warren County, I did not notice :>)

I have changed rarely a fact I have issued re: Russia. I have summarized above the tedious facts I have provided over the years starting with Trump's primary win, again, as follows:

How Trump built his business on top of Russian investment and sales.
How he, like much of his top administration, is deeply financially beholden to Russia.
How Don hangs with Russian mobsters

All taking place before the election, although now proven to continue during the election, but many column inches needed to describe.

During and after the election, I added all the stupid Trump policies (most of them), and filled many a page especially as HLer's rallied around separation of families because they asked for asylum. During the election, I also covered all sorts of actual real-life crimes that many HLers still discount, as well as covering the Trump family of criminals and Russian sympathizers. The indictments, guilty pleas, and people in jail pretty much speak to the reality of my Rebecka suggested MSM-authored delusions. I've got people in jail, Rebecka has an opinion.

All along, if asked has Russian collusion been proved, I have answered, of course not, and provided a list of interesting occurrences:

- much outreach from Russia to team Trump and vice-versa
- a number of face-to-face meetings between Russians, Russian surrogates (Saudi's), and Team Trump
- an arrested Russian spy infiltrating the NRA and other Republicans
- Trump family members and others trying to set up secret communication backchannels from Team Trump to mother Russia
- Trump family business dealings in Russia held secret from the American public, while Trump lied about his dealings as described by Trump himself.
- seeming Team Trump fore-knowledge of specific email releases
- Trump public request to hack the emails which apparently, timing wise, was listened to, joke or not, you be the judge.
- a situation where, during the election, Putin knew Trump lied about his business dealings ongoing in Russia and therefore Putin was in position to tank the election for Trump at any time by exposing these lies.

Now we have the government listing two indictable felonies where the President is implicated not only by his long-serving personal lawyer, but now also, in court, the Government. Sure, it's alleged, but the Government has tipped it's hand saying it has the facts.

They will undoubtedly not indict a sitting President. It is up to the American people and Congress to decide his fate.

And anything Russia has been redacted form the memos; there are pages and pages of redactions that obviously point to Russia, and IMO it's a pretty strong bet that Muller will not come a cropper in all of this and has the goods of this guy. Can't imagine he's come this far with a nothing burger. He certainly has pages and pages redacted on the subject already. If it was innocence, why redact? Just like if these guys weren't guilty of something far worse, why did they take the guilty plea and plea bargain escape? But we don't know that....yet. And saying "no collusion proven" is as stupid as saying "he colluded."

It's a long way to getting enough Republicans on board and folks here may never get there. But I am hopeful, for the good of the country and the office of the President, that Trump sees the light and takes a long walk into that dark night. In which case, we may not know for a few decades or so what really happened. And that's OK with me too.

And naysayers? They has their opinions, and in the face of two felonies, their beliefs that the news is fake, the government corrupt and the only truth they have is what they believe is the truth. Well, bully for them.

Keep those personal attacks coming and JYM, get out of my mailbox :>)

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Making a naughty/nice list... lol. I'll try to behave then. ;-)
I think you can actually see what is going on, but you choose to busy your fingers and mind by taking a particular stand, and use your energy to distract yourself from the larger truth. (Why?)

If all the collective brainpower and time that has been spent on political debate on this forum had been directed elsewhere... well, let's just say I think you guys could have CURED CANCER by now!

Rebecka Rebecka
Dec '18

Might be better off on the naughty side :>)

"I think you can actually see what is going on, but you choose to busy your fingers and mind by taking a particular stand, and use your energy to distract yourself from the larger truth. (Why?)"

Please, Just try saying it plainly. I can only understand what you said if I am inside your brain. That ain't happening.... particular stand, busy fingers, energy, distraction, I probably get. actually see what's going on and larger truth? Please enlighten us since I write what I see, but a no-duh doesn't seem to fit. I think you mean something here. And the larger truth I am trying to share apparently ain't it, would love to know what that is. Good luck.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

"The truth would indeed be too scary for you to contemplate, SD. So you will continue to remain hypnotized by the dancing lights on your TV set."

+1 Rebecka, "Those who have eyes . . . Let them see"

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Speaking of truth, or rather perspective on the truth:

https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/01/russian-facebook-ad-spend/amp/

Now who’s propaganda should we think “swayed” the election? The group who spent .05% the amount as the Republicans and Democrats, if SD is to be believed?

Sorry, but those of us who understand the level of our internal propaganda recognize that is what had the most affect, by a huuuuuuge amount, on the election outcome. But since Trump won, maybe the reality is that more folks are starting to ignore ALL the propaganda? I think that’s more probable than a mere 3500 Facebook ads that few ever saw.

Again, imo SD thinks that we are all just stupid and blindly follow what we are told (by those wanting to control us). Sorry, I’ll disagree with that all day long.

justintime justintime
Dec '18

“All along, if asked has Russian collusion been proved, I have answered, of course not, and provided a list of interesting occurrences“

Lol, can we pose the question to the HL community at large if SD has always said there was no Russian collusion?

justintime justintime
Dec '18

Hahahahah! Oh man. Even I can't believe he's that deranged. The guy who's been posting "Mueller time!" ad nauseum. Yeah, he never believed there was Russian collusion.

Here come the white coats with the straight jacket.


Rebecka You seem to be thinking like me. No faith in Government. That swamp is pretty deep. We did get two Supreme court members past the DEEP STATE

Old Gent Old Gent
Dec '18

"We did get two Supreme court members past the DEEP STATE"

yep, we sure did , and one more soon to come to replace RBG

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

I'm not holding my breath on RBG... she'll have to be carried out, dead, on a stretcher before she leaves.

If Trump gets re-eleced... maybe. But unless she has a surprise heart attack or stroke, she's not going anywhere in the next 2 years. Not if SHE has anything to say about it. The word "retire" (even for health reasons) is not in her vocabulary.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

"No faith in Government. That swamp is pretty deep. We did get two Supreme court members past the DEEP STATE"

Is that what Rebecka said?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Not sure. Is there a "deep state," and if so, what does it look like? Is it a sort of council of people who are really in charge? Would love to know what everyone's idea of deep state is, if you think there is one... and who (or what?) is it made of?

Rebecka Rebecka
Dec '18

There certainly exists a group of unelected government and military officials who are employed term after term who effect national policy for sure - look at Peter strzok or John Brennan. Now how much they effect policy is to be determined. There are thousands of career employees at various levels of government that are civil service that have broad discretion in how they do their jobs - don’t agree with a policy? Follow the regulations to the letter and slow roll things to a standstill. This dosent just occur at the federal level.

Skippy Skippy
Dec '18

It's interesting that the haters come on social media claiming that everyone else has only opinions while only they have the facts. Then they proceed to list out a whole bunch of opinions claiming them as facts. The same opinions that CNN and MSNBC spew every day on their stations. I have yet to see one allegation that has actually been proven. You know, like a check written by the President to Mr. Putin or a video of his team meeting with Assange. On the other hand, I have seen actual evidence that there were people in the FBI that hated Mr. Trump and claimed they would not let him be President. You want to talk about deception? How about a phony dossier, paid for by the Clinton campaign and presented like it is the truth? How many months did it take for Hillary to admit that it was created and paid for from her campaign? That's right, she never did admit to it. They had to sue to get the information. But you will never convince the haters that they are wrong because they are enjoying the hate. They get off on it. It's just another tactic to get what they want. I feel sorry for their spouses and children. If they have so much hate that they need to spread it multiple times every day, they must be a misery to deal with at home.

Rosie Rosie
Dec '18

Looking forward to the release of the Mueller report findings. God bless America.


Don't worry Rosie. Some of us feel the same about those repeating the opinions that are being spewed by Fox News as facts! I know this forum primarily favors what you say Rosie, but I do watch many news forums and Fox certainly does like to provide many 'alternative facts' which really means nothing more than lies. I try not to get political on here and wish people would be more civil when in a discussion and I am saying this on both sides. I really do love how conservatives conveniently forget though the awful things they say about liberals and things that were never proven either. Chants of lock her up abounded when there was no proof of anything illegal and I am sure trump would have made sure she was if there was proof. Let's not forget that it works two ways and we would be pretty bored if everyone felt and thought the same way we do. There would be no one to argue with...... of course in a constructive and intelligent way!

Mel81 Mel81
Dec '18

tRUMP having a problem filling his Chief of STIFF position?
Congress and the courts must operate on this administration and remove the gangrene infection from the Oval Office to save the patient (American people).
Buyer’s remorse yet?
Really?
What’ll it take?
A more serious “wag the dog” than sending troops to the border?
Firing missiles?
Are they’re any limits on the Coward in Chief’s insanity?
Blizzaro World- in the olden days Rudy would be prosecuting the crime family operating out of the White House- now he’s defending it.
Hope we all can make it through this sheetstain period of American history.
We all work hard.
We all obey the law.
We all deserve so much better.

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Oh IDK.... Trump will be on his 3rd C.O.S., Obama had 5. (Bush had 2, Clinton had 4)

Buyer's remorse? Over not getting Hillary? Are you drinking already this morning?

Firing Missiles? Sorry.... firing missiles was Clinton's M.O. I'll give W and Obama passes, because they were fighting the "war on terror".

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

"Oh IDK.... Trump will be on his 3rd C.O.S., Obama had 5. (Bush had 2, Clinton had 4)"

Math challenged? No wonder you like Turnip's tax plan...….

That's 3 COS in 2 years versus Obama's 5 in 8 years, likewise 8 years for Bush and Clinton.

Heck, we have never seen a senior administration revolving door across the Trump empire like this one. It's obvious this guy can neither hire nor retain talent.

It's just as amazing that the only people who never turn on him are family. Money makes for strange bedfellows for sure.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Mel81 what are you kidding me... Clinton's camp obstructed justice by destroying devices and deleting emails that were subpoenaed. That is a FACT and yes that is breaking the law. Nice try though. Of course the Loretta Lynch DOJ wasn't going to prosecute... She's a liberal.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Wow, JIT, great post on the Russian spend. Those are some amazing numbers…. even if a year old and completely replaced by new numbers, it’s still low. Here are the HIC numbers, around $100K. According to the Mueller indictment, the ad spend was $1.25M per month (probably across all forums). And lots of clicks, millions of clicks: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/05/10/what-data-on-more-than-3500-russian-facebook-ads-reveals-about-the-interference-effort/?utm_term=.60b8961e6f86

It’s still amazingly low.

The Presidential campaign was $2.4B. Clinton outspent Trump 2:1 somewhat indicating how Trump received a lot of free advertising based on his “newsworthiness.” And therein lies the fly in the ointment. Is the ad spend the important part OR is the ad reach the important part.

There’s no way to spin this beyond the formal spin statement that it did not affect the election. However, that’s our patriotic urban legend. No one really knows the effect of the meddling or the effect of the campaign finance violations by the President. Whatever that means, it certainly means we really don’t know. Independent of the amount that Americans spent or the number of clicks, do you really feel that any amount spent by an adversary foreign power, posing as Americans, is OK? Does the meager amount they spent overshadow the fact they were pretending to be American while lying through their teeth on the facts in order to get us excited?

No matter how much Americans poison Americans with spin, do you equate that, to anything spent by a foreign adversary to spin your mind with lies? Especially when you can’t measure it and when it can plant fake seeds that virally spread by real Americans that you can’t measure either?

How much one-world-order can you get than world-wide equal rights to spread fake news anonymously under cover of the American flag. I mean it’s bad enough that many believe most news sources are fake, our government is a complete fraud, but now they, of the big they, are not even American.

That said, some amazing numbers showing the Russians are screwing with us for an amazingly low price. And even if you give them credit for stealing low handing fruit via sensationalism using, from your article “ incendiary, divisive, eye-drawing content about polarizing issues, it likely was able to squeeze” more belief per buck, that’s still a big buck difference.

Question is how much is enough to change the outcome? And we don't know that either.

However, that’s only part of the story and you believe that partial assumptions do not show the big picture: We need to know the corresponding reach and re-share rates beyond the 126M people (that includes JR's 500 different times :>) ) that Facebook reached.

Other Russian attempts were out there too, like organizing rallies, paying for participation, and doing other tasks. One guy got paid to put a cage on a truck for lock-her-up, another to play prison-suited Clinton. Much more to learn here by all of us.

Great post JIT, makes me want to know more. Glad to see you at 10K feet :>)

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

"Math challenged?"


Not at all, just stating actual facts. You should try it sometime. See, it's not a fact yet that Trump will have more than anyone. For all you know, his next C.O.S. might last the next 2-6 years. You have NO IDEA. Yet you continue to spin and predict and call your GUESSES "facts".

Just like it was a "fact" that "no way Trump could win", "say hello to Madame President", "Russiagate", "Stormygate", "Taxgate", I'm sure I'm missing a few....

I like to wait for actual facts to appear/happen before calling them facts, Tiny.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

“Promises made,Promises kept”?
“Promises made, but I’m really inept.”
This administration’s circling of the drain will continue- now at an accelerated pace.
No talented people will even consider taking a position this ( White) OUTHOUSE.
Really, why buy a ticket on the Titanic after you’ve seen the movie????

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/


...and that list doesn't include putting conservatives on SCOTUS, a promise he's kept TWICE now.


Plus,
"President Trump's approval rating before the November elections has jumped to a higher level than former President Obama's ahead of the 2010 midterms, according to a new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll.

The poll found Trump's approval rating at its highest level for that poll yet, at 47 percent. Obama's approval rating was 45 percent around the same time in 2010, according to a similar NBC/Wall Street Journal poll taken in late October 2010. "

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/412445-trumps-approval-rating-jumps-higher-than-obamas-ahead-of-midterms


No blue wave... just a blue "tide" in the house. Come january, the democrats will proudly be able to wear the "obstructionist" hat, just as the republicans did during Obama's reign. Tit for tat, the game of good-cop-bad-cop continues. Much ado about nothing. Nothing to see here.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

"See, it's not a fact yet that Trump will have more than anyone. For all you know, his next C.O.S. might last the next 2-6 years. You have NO IDEA." Hmmm, no idea. No track record. Hmmmm. Actually, he does have more than Bush, but not saying that you can't even count..... :>) Much less math, forecasting, or even history...….

Gotta love a guy who doubles down on bad math basically saying ---- the past will not be prologue to the future so don't try to use the past to forecast the future.

Since when is 3 over 2 not more than 5 over 8 or 2 over 8 or 4 over 8. Since you're doubling down on your math, let me help you with mine. That's 1.5 per year for Trump; .625 per year for Obama, .25 per year for Bush, and .5 per year for Clinton.

At his current rate, Trump will have up to 12 COS if he makes 8 years.

Again, to help you with the math challenge, that makes Trump three times worser than Bill and 6 times worser than Bush.

But dream on in your opinion that Trump will hire well or suddenly develop a personality that people want to work with. He could pivot any day now. He could change from a petulant, passive-aggressive, back-biting, narcissistic, lying, boss that pits people against each other just to see the results into an empowering, efficient, and effective manager. He might show us his taxes right after the audit; there is no collusion with Russia, I never said I wasn't doing business in Russia, I just said I wasn't doing business in Russia. I not only funded my own campaign using RNC dollars, I did not pay off these ladies during my campaign so they would not effect my campaign and therefore those dollars, just like the dollars that funded my campaign are not campaign effecting even if I got my publisher buddy to give me my dollars for this hushing up of the fact that I did nothing wrong.

I am sorry. I can not fix your math skills either.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

More like a blue trickle. And I believe a lot of the new Dem seats oppose Pelosi, so that is why many of them got elected. They lost seats in the Senate thanks to the Kavanaugh nonsense. Still, Obama lost a huge amount of seats in 2010 compared to this time around for Trump. The next two years will just show what a horrible leader Pelosi is. Trump is smart to endorse her. People will see how horrible she is. If the Dems have any chance going forward, they need to oppose Nancy and Chuck. They’re both a couple of chuckleheads that don’t give a crap about citizens.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Must disagree.
“Nothing to see here”?
Just the Coward in Chief’s taxes.
You know, the one’s the Liar in Chief said he’d release after the “audit(?)”.
Well, the House is gonna get um!!!!!!!!
Sure to reveal additional reams of lies- not to mention money laundering, tax evasion, theft and fraud.
But, deep down, you already know that.
Patience is a virtue.
Added bonus-kids will be implicated too.
Hallelujah!

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

It's not about facts. it's about perception.
If someone is "perceived" a certain way, it is very hard to change minds even with facts.
Look up "flying monkeys" it is a real term.

This is all like watching a slow motion train wreck-anyone with common sense can see that neither party is going to help the middle class. When this hits, it's going to hit hard-and even those that think they are prepared are going to find out just how wrong they are.
Grab some popcorn and enjoy the show-just remember, you are an active participant whether you like it or not-you have been drafted.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

Dball --- They will probably never indict a sitting President, and certainly not for campaign violations. However, when he leaves the Presidency, NY and perhaps the Southern District will come down on him, his businesses, and his foundation like a ton of bricks.

Impeachment is a perception and Trump's entire "legal' effort has been dedicated to that cause. Certainly his efforts have little to do with the law. Mueller has been mostly silent and has not divulged more than a peek at his Russian evidence. He needs to be able to turn 50% or so of Republican Senators to win an impeachment. The House is a far easier impeachment row to hoe.

IMO, Mueller does not want that, what he wants is to show overwhelming evidence to Congress, sealed, behind closed doors, that will lead Senators to convince Trump it's over and have him slink away into that good night, perhaps saving his business and family in the offing.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

I am not kidding you Metsman but I am simply in the opposing camp as you. You as well as many others are very adamant about defending Trump when he has proven himself a liar many times.
Though I am a liberal, I want him to succeed. We all live here and our country's successes are good for everyone no matter their side of the fence. I would love peace throughout the world no matter who put it in motion (idealistic but not realistic I know!)! I don't even care who he sleeps.......that makes him not a good husband, family man, or role model but doesn't make him a bad president. I have a problem with the way he uses words to incite violence and bully and mock people (many of those he hired and used to admire for honesty, etc., etc.) I don't like most of his policies but I know many of you on this forum don't agree.
But I feel that many people blindly follow or defend someone without finding out the facts (that is not true for all.....we can and should have varying opinions even with the same facts). On this forum so many determined the dump truck driver MUST have been at fault instead of waiting for more info. We should be able to have a conversation without people (and that is liberals AND conservatives) going off the rails and screaming at each other in type.

Mel81 Mel81
Dec '18

"But I feel that many people blindly follow or defend someone without finding out the facts"


I agree with this. But the other side is just as bad (much worse actually): condemning and postulating based on HOPES and conjecture instead of actual facts. Guilty until proven innocent, if you will. And not just Trump- look at the Kavanaugh hearing fiasco!

Russia for example: there is no evidence. Not yet anyway. Even Comey/Mueller has said hasn't found any evidence of so-called "Russian collusion". Yet pages and pages and hours and hours (many days at this point. Weeks?) of "news" has been done on that story. It's not journalism, the MSM has turned into the National Enquirer.

If there is actually evidence- indisputable facts- that prove Trump colluded with the Russians to affect the election, I'd be one of the people calling for impeachment. Altho if they haven't found anything by this point, I'm also fine with not spending anymore taxpayer money on what I see as a witch hunt, based on the FACT that NO convincing evidence has come to light, in 2 years. The only "russian collusion" I can see is the DNC paying to have the "russian dossier" created in an effort to affect the election (and that was after the GOP tried todo the same thing, to keep Trump from being able to be the nominee)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html

And that's another thing- I'm not "defending Trump" at all... what I am doing is NOT CONDEMNING him as guilty until he is proven guilty. But to many rabid Trump-haters on the left, that means "you're defending him, you love him, you believe him no matter what"... no, I'm just WAITING on actual facts to make an INFORMED opinion on... an opinion based not on emotions, hatred, fear, conjecture, or hope... but on FACTS.

SO TIRED of the
"if you don't hate Trump and agree with us that he is the devil incarnate (or at least a russian plant lol) then you agree with everything he has ever said or done, you are a racist, misogynist, evil, capitalist/rich/white man, and I HATE YOU for it" attitude.
ALOT of people really need to do some growing up.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

And maybe be honest with THEMSELVES?
Eh, JR?

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Comey admits he has no evidence of any crime Trump committed.

Thank God for Trey Gowdy, it's a shame he's leaving.

"The transcript of the House interview of former FBI Director James Comey has been released and one of the things that jumps off the page is Rep. Trey Gowdy’s grilling of him.

Comey attempted to be coy in his answers but, ultimately admitted that he had no evidence that President Donald Trump committed any crimes, including the obstruction of justice claim that came from Comey’s firing.

He also admitted that there is no such thing as a crime of collusion."

https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/breaking-comey-admits-no-evidence-trump-crimes?fbclid=IwAR0FVCj7FMOmh6NcObk6U9P9Oxe0dLHTWk-a33igJw1vExTziQQF9qBdjD4

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

“Russia for example: there is no evidence.” So sayeth some HLers. I say: 33 indictments, 3 company’s indicted, 7 guilty pleas, 3 with jail time. The entire upper echelon of the Trump campaign has been indicted. Five Trump aides have plead guilty. One Senior Advisor to the President went down. This was on dirty, cheating, campaign --- based on the guilty. And Mueller has never once released Russia findings, by design. He does not march to JR's, Trump's, or any other.

“All along, if asked has Russian collusion been proved, I have answered, of course not, and provided a list of interesting occurrences.“ Some say that's my indictment, it is not.

Some more “interesting occurrences” recently entered into s record where some see NO COLLUSION. Just as a rough metric, we look at the three memo’s, Flynn Sentencing Memo (FSM), Manafort Lies Memo (MLM), and Cohen Sentencing Mueller Memo (CSM) all entered into the court records.

FSM – the term Russia or Russian used 14 times with redactions.
MLM – No Russia, just Kilimnik meeting with redactions.
CSM – Russia or Russian used 23 times with redactions.

Before you say, no bloody knife, have some patience. No final report yet either. You can look at the redactions and go totally-JR and say there’s no there OR you can say, hmmm, there’s a lot of words under those miles of redaction.

From the FSM: “members of President-Elect Trump’s transition team publicly stated that they had spoken to the defendant, and that he denied speaking to the Russian ambassador about the sanctions”

“the defendant falsely stated that he did not ask the Russian ambassador to refrain from escalating the situation in response to the sanctions, and falsely disclaimed any memory of his subsequent conversation with the ambassador in which the ambassador stated that Russia had acceded to the defendant’s request.”

“false statements to the FBI about his prior interactions with the Russian government in December 2016 concerning a pending United Nations Security Council resolution.”

From the CSM: “He withheld information material to the investigations of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election”

“The defendant admitted he told these lies—which he made publicly and in submissions to Congress—in order to (1) minimize links between the Moscow Project and Individual 1 and (2) give the false impression that the Moscow Project had ended before the Iowa caucus and the first presidential primaries, in hopes of limiting the ongoing Russia investigations being conducted by Congress and the SCO. “

“Similarly, it was material that Cohen, during the campaign, had a substantive telephone call about the project with an assistant to the press secretary for the President of Russia.”

“The defendant also provided information about attempts by other Russian nationals to reach the campaign”

“Cohen received the contact information for, and spoke with, a Russian national who claimed to be a “trusted person” in the Russian Federation who could offer the campaign “political synergy” and “synergy on a government level.”

So no there there, just an awful lot of smoke hiding under the Russia redactions. But don’t say Russia is not there, never mentioned, because Russia is all over these memos.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

We've had 2 years of "patience". NO evidence. Feel free to continue living on hopes & dreams, just don't call it "facts" or we will take you down every time. I, for one, would like to see more ACTUAL facts (not SD "facts") and less propaganda ("conjecture") in this thread.

BTW... if Russia "being mentioned" was evidence of wrongdoing, that would put YOU and all the MSM in prison LOL. Let's not forget- at the time, Trump was running for POTUS. A position that would have him dealing with and talking to many political figures and countries, Russia being but one of them.

“Russia for example: there is no evidence.” So sayeth some HLers. I say: 33 indictments, 3 company’s indicted, 7 guilty pleas, 3 with jail time. "

...none of whom is Donald J. Trump. Next, tiny.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

No, they are just the President’s men. Crooks one and all.

And as far as those Russian mentions, the memos are court-filed and online.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

It is clear from these postings that those liking trump feel he is innocent. Those who do not like trump suspect he is guilty of what it remains to be seen. When Mueller completes his investigation and releases his findings then we will know. At that point the facts will be made known and if anything illegal happened only the guilty need worry. Lets wait and see and hold off the games until then.


Actually JR, I have never once said anything condemning him of crimes because I am too waiting for it to play out. I said I don't like him because of his policies and bullying. I also said the blindness is on both sides. I don't find the liberals are worse......or better either. On this forum I do feel some liberals feel very defensive because they are far outnumbered in this area and when people get defensive it turns into nonsense rant rather than an educated one.......though I have seen many conservatives do that too.
I also feel that most people are that are extreme right wing or left wing are scary. Most people seem to think here keep seeming to think all liberals are extremists which is far from the truth! Anyone going too far either way should illicit fear!

Mel81 Mel81
Dec '18

Wasn't signaling you out, Mel81.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Holy smocking guns Jono.....time to signal you out ;-)

Anything illegal? How bout 7 guilty’s mostly singing about other crimes.

Two indictable Trump felonies memo’d in court for campaign financing violations already pled guilty by his lawyer.

37 Russia/Russian mentions in recent Cohen memos to the court.

Timewise, we are only half way in to a Benghazi level investigation.

No, Jono, with all due respect, this is time to speak, to talk to your representatives, your neighbors.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Sorry JR but I figured since you quoted me you were! Misread it......my apologies!

Mel81 Mel81
Dec '18

SD people pay off extortionists all the time to protect themselves. It isn’t a campaign finance law violation to do that, especially when it’s his own money. Nice stretch there.

Flynn lied about something that happened after the election was over. Has nothing to do with Russian meddling.

Manafort was prosecuted for things that happened years ago before his time with Trump.

Cohen was caught for tax evasion over a taxi business and would have faced substantial time unless he pleaded. Him pleading to campaign finance violations doesn’t mean it’s true.

Everyone else are being put in perjury traps. Corsi is suing Mueller. So if those are your smoking guns that Trump is guilty then that is comical.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Dire warning letter signed tonight by 44 former Senators and presented to US Senate.
Whoa! That's unprecedented!

happiest girl
Dec '18

Wow, it took 44 senators to write that watered down, say-nothing op-Ed?

Heck, it’s so weak in whatever point it’s trying to make you could even read it as telling the Senate to stand fast against the new (Democratic) House and whatever tricks they may try to pull.

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

Link?

justintime justintime
Dec '18

Wow, Mets. So Cohen pleaded guilty to a crime that isn’t a crime.

I will let you read up on why it’s a crime. Plus, there is another angle to the crime since corporate contributions were used from Trump’s publisher buddy who has also flipped.

Yes, the guilty pleas were not for Russian collusion; never said they were. What I noted were all the uses of the word Russia/Russians in the recent memos filed with the court. All surrounded by redactions of significant amounts of text. Hmmm, interesting.

Believe me, when the collusion smoking gun hits the table, you won’t need me to announce it.

I was just noting some new interesting occurrences from these new memos.

New news: Butina has flipped. Bring on the NRA. Peppy LePew, its your time in the barrel.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Here you go JIT.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-are-former-senators-the-senate-has-long-stood-in-defense-of-democracy--and-must-again/2018/12/10/3adfbdea-fca1-11e8-ad40-cdfd0e0dd65a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.10657e2ea2f4

kb2755 kb2755
Dec '18

This one?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-are-former-senators-the-senate-has-long-stood-in-defense-of-democracy--and-must-again/2018/12/10/3adfbdea-fca1-11e8-ad40-cdfd0e0dd65a_story.html?utm_term=.1f26c0ecbf73

justintime justintime
Dec '18

Wow, poor reading comprehension on your part , Mark.

happiest girl
Dec '18

No, I know what point they are “trying” to make, but they neutered it so much (surely to get consensus from 44 people) that it completely loses any strength.

Typical politician speak... many words without saying much.

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

Sorry you don't understand it Mark.

happiest girl
Dec '18

No, I'm just not blinded by so much hate for Trump that I think this comes anywhere close to being a "dire warning letter".

Some other reader comments (These from those who appear to *agree* with what the letter should have said... but still find it lacking)

"It's not powerful. It's almost entirely without substance. "We believe in democracy" seems to be its central claim. Wow. Yes. Very powerful and very brave... if our standards for bravery have sunk so low, as I suppose they have in this country."

"This says nothing. It criticizes no one -- especially not the people who most deserve our censure, namely, Trump and his quisling enablers. It commits to nothing . Not to insisting on protecting the Mueller probe. No even to affirming the critical importance of the Mueller probe, that it be allowed to reach its conclusions unimpeded by a Trump administration hell-bent on obstructing justice. Just pitiful."

"I'm delighted to see one person agrees with me. All these "Oh, Thank You Brave Senators" responses -- what are these people thanking them for?? Did they read the letter? If they discovered any actual substance: please enlighten the rest of us.
Another missed opportunity by career politicians so concerned about being careful and cautious that they can't see and won't admit the catastrophe that is unfolding before us in real time: the most corrupt, inept, vicious presidential administration in modern history."

"A nice sentiment perhaps But in the end, trying to find something they all could agree on, all things to all people, just watered it down to platitude"

"With all due respect, i've read this twice and I have no idea what is the purpose of your missive. If you want to tell your colleagues :
"Don't protect a clueless crook playing POTUS on Tweeter just because he pretends to belong to your party" - just say it.
Otherwise, don't waste time and paper. "

Plenty more like that... as well as a whole bunch of "Orange Man Bad!" comments.

Either way, it's a swing and a miss from 44 former senators (some of whom were voted out, mind you...)

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

Happiest Girl he’s right. Do you have some kind of decoder device that unlocks a cypher or something that reveals a hidden message...

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

“some kind of decoder device”

Yes.

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

Mark --
Whoa ---
It is so obvious that you are very angry about the letter the Senate wrote.
Spend your time and effort doing something more good for the world.

happiest girl
Dec '18

Where did I express any anger?

Former Senators, much like anyone else, are free to write any op-ed letter they want.
This was just terribly weak one, considering what 44 senators with hundreds of years of political experience among them should be capable of writing, and a dire warning of nothing.

Heck, there are some individual posters here, with whom I vehemently disagree, that could pen a more substantive and thought provoking letter.

I’m sure McConnell is trembling at receiving such a “warning” from a bunch of Democrats (with a sprinkling of RINO’s thrown in) having just *increased* his majority in the Senate.

(And actually... it’s not quite unprecedented. Ironically 44 *current* Senators signed on to a letter earlier this year. Sure, it was about World Cup Soccer, but at least they made a concise point.)

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-what-crimes-did-president-trump-commit-in-the-michael-cohen-case

Tucker is probably the most reasonable anchor on cable news. That's not even open for debate. All these other clowns like Don Lemon just spew hate. Anyone who can't see in these clips of other channels that these liberals aren't doing that clearly have tunnel vision. Apparently it's an impeachable offense according to liberals for paying off women who extort you, but when they do the same thing in congress we're not allowed to know about it. Total hypocrisy.... If this is what Democrats are going to spend the next 2 years doing, trying to impeach Trump, then they're power will quickly be taken from them. People aren't interested in impeaching him. Maybe if you live in an alternate reality like SD and Stymie that's what you want. The rest of us want legislation that helps the country to get done.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Mark Mc post his "Democrats Secret Decoder Ring" from Rightpunditry.com, an alt right hate spot with questionable factual reporting. It currently includes stories like:

Texas Bill To Protect Muslims . . . And NO ONE Else.
Being “White” May Soon Become A Criminal Activity
Barack Hussein O’s Roots Are Showing . . . Again
Being “Offended” Has Become Our National Past Time And That “Offends” Me
Why I Hate Black America” By . . . . .
Why Liberals Are Insane And Wrong About All They Devoutly Hold To (WARNING: graphic photo)
“Tolerate” Liberals Says It Would Be “Funny” For Gun Right Proponents To Be Murdered
The “Biggest Loser” Obama: Forcing U.S. Military To Respect Sharia Law
Democrat Vice President on the International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia Slanders Christians

No fake news here :>)

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

"Apparently it's an impeachable offense according to liberals for paying off women who extort you," Honestly, don't make me school you. You can look this up EZ and understand the felony. Also see the corporate contribution solicited by Cohen in conspiracy to defraud the electorate with Donald J. Trump making this two different types of felonies as well.

I find it amazing that team-conservative who spent much more time and money to catch a guy lying about a legitimate extramarital bj at an investigative cost of $12M per year for like $70M over the 6-years of different investigations having an issue with the cost and time of the Mueller investigation. A $70M bj lie. You're getting a deal on this one, be happy.

For it's short time, Mueller has 31 indictments on the table, 7 guilty pleas, and a few in jail. Russians, Russian companies, and a lawyer.... have been indicted.

The Mueller investigation is profitable; it has seized and turned over to the Treasury between $30M - $40M in Manafort dollars. Haven't gotten to the Cohen dollars yet. So, you are making money, be happier.

Just wait till we start seizing the Don's assets. And he's got one huge asset.

That said, chances are they won't indict a sitting President. And campaign finance violations are extremely hard to prove. Even if they have the Don on tape. You do know that, right, Mets, they have him on tape ordering Cohen to do the deed.

That said, impeachment is the only way to make the Don pay for his crimes of cheating in the election and stealing the Presidency. But this one is still not enough by itself given that Hatch, Thune, Grassley, Kennedy, and McCarthy, for example,have all lined up already, before seeing the facts, to blindly support Trump and say there is nothing there, Cohen is a liar, OR it's the Democrats.

Hatch said: “The Democrats will do anything to hurt this president" No, boys, it's the SDNY making the allegations; it's YOUR justice department. You don't have a clue what party the individuals involved might belong to. They DO belong to the team that believes in the rule of law though. How about you? Turn in your membership yet?

For Clinton, Hatch said: "…..it cannot tolerate one who makes a mistake and then breaks the law to cover it up. Any other citizen would be prosecuted for these crimes.” Yeah, belly up to the bar on that one Dude.

Other excuses are "he's new, we all make mistakes," and "Cohen is of low moral fiber and can not be believed." Uh.....there's corroborating evidence, as noted in the filing.....Trump on tape.... Whatever....

These boys better hope for blue skies ahead in Trumplemania because we know what just happened in the mid terms and their time is coming for payments due.

Of course Mets, I would like to see things get done. Let's start by cleaning some crooks out of office.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Aww c’mon SD, you know you hate. You just happen to hate different things. But I guess you believe your hate is better than the other guys hate, thus your justification of your own hate?

justintime justintime
Dec '18

Actually I posted it from a Google image search because it’s funny.

If it makes you feel better, the ring is also available on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SHINY-MENS-BRONZE-COSTUME-BAND-RING-ONE-WORD-BOLD-LETTERS-HATE-ANY-SIZE-/283158753134

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

I ran the letter through the secret decoder ring. The coded message was:

"BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE"...

ianimal ianimal
Dec '18

Hmm... Ovaltine used to be owned by Novartis (a pharmaceutical company)...

Max Baucus (the first name signed to that letter) was one of the largest beneficiaries of campaign contributions from pharmaceuticals (approx $4M).

Maybe he is trying to sell more Ovaltine!

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

Thank goodness for that Mark, was thinking you a tabloid tart.....glad I am wrong yet the "Why Liberals Are Insane And Wrong About All They Devoutly Hold To (WARNING: graphic photo)"

JIT -- generalizations do not a fact base make. That's your opinion, good for you.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

I love the decoder ring! It's perfect because that's what the left and a few out-of-sorts HL posters do all day long. They hate, they really hate Trump and those who support him. They have an OCD compulsion to hate trump and by proxy Trump voters. They display quite adequately that they have little to no governor on their behavior which is a classic indicator they suffer mightily from TDS. I'm not entertaining their delusionally spewed angry diatribes anymore. I am so done with them.

You are spot on correct Mark Mc.! Thanks so much for sharing that funny, apropos image.

And a big +1 to Ianimal, very funny, I'm actually lolng as I type this

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Skippy wrote: “There certainly exists a group…..who effect national policy….”

Let me see if I can summarize…. People in government effect national policy, how much is to be determined. People can follow regulations and bring things to a standstill, aka bureaucratic red tape. I would guess, by extension, that people can shortcut regulations to speed things along too….

Is this not true in the private sector, the non-profits, and the rest? Don’t we all have regulations, guidelines, and rules that we “use’ to effect outcomes?

Haven’t you just described the human condition throughout our civilization?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Oh, this is too rich LOL


Judge rules Stormy Daniels must pay Trump over $290,000

https://news.yahoo.com/california-judge-orders-porn-star-pay-trump-legal-215454082.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_06

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Russia—>Maria Butina—>$$ Money to NRA———
—->$$ to tRUMP campaign?
“All in all it’s just another...
brick in the wall...”
FAN meet SHYTT.
Or, as JR likes to say, BINGO!!!

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

"Judge rules Stormy Daniels must pay Trump over $290,000"

+1 , ain't karma a bi*ch

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Avenatti seems to have overplayed his hand on this and the Kavanaugh boondoggle to the point where one certainly wonders if it's all just an empty hat. Certainly Avenatti is.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

SD the left makes up rules as they go and you know it. Trump used his own personal money to pay these women. That has nothing to do with campaign money. That would be like saying he can't buy a boat with his own money without telling people because it's campaign season... You're stretching things and even a well respected authority in the law like Alan Dershowitz would say you're wrong.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Today Cohen is being sentenced for lying, tax evasion, campaign finance violations, and excessive campaign contribution violations. Of the last two, Cohen has implicated the President as directing Cohen's actions.

The President who lied about this under direct questioning during the election, lied about it after becoming President has admitted he did it but feels it's a civil matter and not illegal.

The SDNY believes they have the goods on the President, including tapes, and that it is an indictable felony.

Cohen, a lawyer, tends to agree as he looks at a few years in jail over the crime Trump says Trump did, after lying for all these years so he could become President, but Trump says is not a crime. Well, if it's not a crime, pardon the man....

Meanwhile......your petulant President brought Nancy and Chuck to the oval office for a bipartisan confab on the border wall. Trump proceeded to berate, talk over, side snipe, as he issued his proclamation: if I don't get MY wall, I will shut down the government.

Game on Tiny.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

"Trump used his own personal money to pay these women." Then why did the Publisher pay? Why did Cohen say he paid? You sure Trump used his own money?

Don't matter anyway. Read what entails campaign finance contribution violations. Even if it came out of his own pocket, if it was used to further your cause in an election campaign, that's against the law.

IOW, if he spent money for the purpose of getting elected, as in hushing some lovers from going public during or just before the election, it's a campaign contribution. The fact that Cohen paid, or worse yet, a corporation paid, just makes it worse.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

June 2015
Powers That Be to Media: You will get them to focus on Trump and nothing else. We want wall-to-wall coverage of this one pawn. Nothing else is going on in the world, "nothing else is happening here," shall we say.

Media to Powers That Be: That is not going to work. Other things are going on in the world, obviously; they will not stand for it.

Powers That Be to Media: You overestimate the intelligence of the American public. And underestimate your power to hypnotize them.

Media to American Public: Look into our eyes. You will focus on Trump. Nothing else is happening in the world. You will think about nothing else, talk about nothing else, dream about nothing else.

American Public: Ok.


Three and a half years later
Media to Powers That Be: This is insane.

Powers That Be to Media: Told you.

Rebecka Rebecka
Dec '18

SD you can't prove he did it to get elected that's the point. He could counter that he was keeping it quiet so that his family didn't hear of it. So nice try. We already know he's cheated on his two ex-wives and the Democrats threw women out there that said Trump groped them decades ago and they threw the Billy Bush tape out there. You really think payments to extortionists would have made a difference in the election? Cmon.... You call Trump a liar well guess what so is Hillary. IDK why you keep throwing that out there. Obama is on tour telling lies as well. They all lie. None of them are truth tellers.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

Just goes to show .........

When you google the word idiot, Trump appears.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!

happiest girl
Dec '18

Obama also got nailed for campaign finance violations, all he got was a fine... hmm....

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/07/obama-campaign-fined-big-for-hiding-donors-keeping-illegal-donations

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

That's ok though JR. He's a Democrat. It's only a crime when a Republican does it or is accused of it.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

This whole political part of this thread is a Joke. Are you looking for an honest man? I don't think you will find him in Washington DC, or the press.

Old Gent Old Gent
Dec '18

Cohen gets 3 years in jail. You know he only cooperated to get a reduced sentence. If he went to trial for the tax evasion stuff he'd probably be put away for at least a decade. He said in court "The American people deserve to know the truth". Ok what is that truth? Trump slept with porn stars and paid them to keep them quiet? Shocker.... Cuz he's never been known to be a womanizer right... People knew that prior to election day. He didn't get elected because of his morals.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

"SD you can't prove he did it to get elected that's the point." Oh, heck Mets, I have said all along this is a tough case to prove. John Edwards slipped the noose. Menendez slipped the noose causing another Mets hissy fit.

It is still viewed, by the SDNY, as an indictable crime. The do have it on tape. And they do say he did it to be elected, or better said, not to be defeated. He did it. He cheated. He lied. He got elected. All of that is true.

The fact that indicting a President is memo'd as a DOJ no-no doesn't help either. They will probably never bring this case to court while he is President.

As to you hating Bill's bj but loving Trump's spanking, groping and sexing it up, that is your thing. I say, indict them all and take it to the judge. But this isn't about which extra marital affair you hate and which you ignore. This is about an campaign finance violation, including an illegal corporate contribution spearheaded by Donald J. Trump in furtherance of his goal to become POTUS. He cheated, he lied, and became President and you still love him because, as you say: "They all lie. None of them are truth tellers."

Hey, if you accept these lies, why not accept the Muslim tape over Benghazi fabrication? After TEN investigations, 6 by your guys alone, after over 4 YEARS of study, mostly by your guys, all resulting in innocent, do you rest easy? But nooooooo, you still think that one is open.

And the answer to Trump's guilt in this will never be provided in court. It will be answered, with the Russian report, in the Congress. Hopefully, the public won't even gain information access for a few decades. In Congress, it is not innocent until proven obvious, it is "high crimes and misdemeanors." Last time I checked, a Trump felony trumps a Constitution-based misdemeanor.

Last time around, the House impeached on a lie about a bj, the Congress said, "nah, not that bad." What will it be this time, starting with some hush money instead of an October surprise, and then whatever the Russia report shows.

On this one, do you really think he paid off to protect his family OR to become President? Really wan to know.... I mean the hush money plan was in place for years, why did they suddenly implement it in October of 2016.

I realize you would have voted for him anyway even if you knew what you know today. That's how you roll. You love the guys antics.

As to the lying, oh come on man, can't you count? 6,420 falsehoods in 649 days. Like a lie every hour of the business day. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/02/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ec0fdf2cf4c3

"120 times he had falsely said he passed the biggest tax cut in history,
80 times he has asserted that the U.S. economy today is the best in history and
74 times he has falsely said his border wall is already being built."

I mean this guy lies even after being totally exposed for lying. Do you really think a habitual liar like this needs to pay off hush money to protect Melania? From what, more lies? She's accepted everything so far, what's another extra marital affair?

If you can even get to a 50% level of equivalent lies and falsehoods with any other President, I will concede. Maybe even 25%. Otherwise, just keep sucking it up, bending over and taking it. Let's face it, you just love the lies from your guy. The more the better, the bigger the bouncier. Eat em up. It's your style to accept.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

You expect us to take this article seriously? They take each statement and count them as multiple falsehoods. Things also depend on your point of view. Certain aspects of the tax cuts like slashing corporate taxes probably is the greatest tax cut as far as that goes. Lowest unemployment in a very long time including lowest all time for certain groups and highest stock market ever could be looked at as greatest economy. Some rundown fencing has been replaced. Prototype walls have been built. So technically something has been done. If he said chocolate ice cream is the best flavor ever you and other liberals would say he’s lying. Excuse me if I actually listen to experts in law over talking heads like Don Lemon and the two loony toons over at MSNBC. Your side is just desperate. It’s all about what you can prove and they can’t prove Trump paid anyone off to influence the election. It’s the word of Cohen over Trump. That doesn’t lead to convictions of any kind. When actual evidence is presented that proves Trump is guilty of something then most people will listen and react accordingly. Spin like you spout out isn’t enough to prove anything.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

And the noose tightens around Dur Feuher’s neck.
Coward in Chief ( aka: second coming to Faux fans)
inevitably to pay the piper for his lying, cheating, bullying, despicable, malignant past.
But please, please Mr. Mueller- charge the spoiled privileged children and son-in-law first.
Let Dur Feuher see the handiwork of his perverse life of crime.

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Now that’s funny Mets. Telling a lie multiple times only counts as one falsehood? Is that because Mets starts believing the lies as time goes on? ;-)

So pick one lie that your “law experts” told you different.

You are a very forgiving man when it comes to Trump lies.

What happened to the caravan full of terrorists and criminals? Wag the dog for election. You believed.

Still have hundreds of kids NOT returned to parents who will never be returned. Did you believe him when he said he would?

I didn’t pay that woman off except when I paid her off. You believed both of those though.

I didn’t write that Don Jr letter when I wrote it; believed both again?

Healthcare is ez to fix.

No nukes in North Korea.

I respect Putin, he’s a strong leader.

I habe no business in Russia except trying to do a lot of business.

I will get out of Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.

But you can keep your DR; now that’s a sin of a lie that crosses the line, eh.

Come on, tell the truth. You bought The Art of the Steal, right? To read while you have your Trump steak and bottled water.....

There’s one born every minute :-) .

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Trump must be the least intelligent human being we have ever elected to office on the President of the United States ... More then likely he will be impeached or force to resign and then off to jail ... But more then likely Pence will Pardon all of Trumps family to help the country heal as Ford did for Nixon ... Just Saying !!!

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

I can't see Trump going to prison. I'm not saying he shouldn't; any one of us would most likely already be there if we'd pulled some of the stuff he has. But I can't imagine a scenario where someone with his money and, now, the power of the Presidency behind him will ever spend time behind bars. He may very well fall from whatever in his realm qualifies as grace, but I'll be shocked if he ever truly does time.

Monty Monty
Dec '18

Again SD because you don’t know how to read, it’s only a lie if it doesn’t fit your agenda. Saying “I did not sleep with that woman”, is a lie. Saying Iraq had WMD’s, that’s a lie. Saying “You can keep your doctor”, that is a lie. Saying these are the greatest tax cuts ever, is based on a POV. The Democrats are the ones that blocked the tax cuts from being permanent by not voting for them. Cutting corporate taxes and getting rid of certain regulations was needed. You’ll then say “Oh but the debt”… Congress and the Senate are the ones that pass spending bills. If they’re so concerned with the debt then why aren’t they coming together and doing something about it… They don’t because whatever side isn’t in power doesn’t want to make a sitting President look good. You’re all for letting illegals jump the crappy fences we have up… They cost us over $100 billion a year and overburden our school systems and cause our taxes to go up. You think that number is going to go down if nothing is done at the border like the Dems want? We’re going to have a major economic crisis one day from all the poor people coming here illegally and leaching off the system. They are just trying to reshape the country so that they can keep their power. This country much like the Roman empire and every power before it will cease to exist because of the BS that the two parties cause. But you’re worried about Donald Trump…. Right….

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

"I can't see Trump going to prison. I'm not saying he shouldn't; any one of us would most likely already be there if we'd pulled some of the stuff he has. But I can't imagine a scenario where someone with his money and, now, the power of the Presidency behind him will ever spend time behind bars. He may very well fall from whatever in his realm qualifies as grace, but I'll be shocked if he ever truly does time."


Now there is some common sense in this thread! Totally agreed, on all counts. And it applies to many past presidents as well. Now, if he had maybe sexted with an underage girl, like Democrat Anthony Weiner.... then I could see actual jail time.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

I vote resign, pardon, report sealed for decades as the most probably course.

At this point it's just campaign crap, but Trump has to know the financial and Russia stuff is forthcoming if he doesn't take action. He is cagey but pretty well boxed in. He can fire Mueller who would instantly appear in front of Congress and the American people......with his notes. And the State charges keep building, none of which will be pressed, beyond the novel idea of this latest Press Release from the SDNY, until Trump is a citizen.

Whether they can deal or pardon away all the pending State charges will be another story. Donald may have stayed too long at the fair and Lazarus may find himself buried by this one before it's all over.

What's funny now is watching certain Senators vocally pushing back against these crimes. Gonna hurt the younger ones like McCarthy. Ryan probably feels lucky to have pulled the rip cord.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Dunce err....Pence cannot pardon state penalties and sentences only federal.
That’s the beauty of this long runnin crime drama. NY State Southern District courts are going to have a field day on tRUMP’s spawn.
You know—-“ karma da bee!”
Yeah, BAY-BEE!!!!!!!

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Mets: a lie is a lie. “Greatest” means either best or largest. You know Trump meant largest. It isn’t. A lie.

Best? Still a lie. No one can know. Yet.

The rest of your post is spin.

He has told more lies than any other President, bar none. You have offered no proof otherwise.

Now if you found some mistakes in the over 6,000 lies, OK —- 5,999 lies then....

Next we go for family and business associates involved in the campaign finance violation conspiracy. The crime ball is rolling. What kind of idiot gets caught for campaign finance violations. Republican Congresspersons got their hands on the ejection seat, may be time to bail soon.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

There are plenty of Democrats that got a slap on the wrist for similar crimes but then again NJ reelected cough Menendez cough..who had much greater crimes

Bug3
Dec '18

SD you’re the only one interested in the so-called 6,000 lies. The rest of us are happy with the direction things are going. Well maybe Stymie is on your side... we’re not interested in witch hunts for petty crap. Mueller’s team is comprised of Democrats. It’s all a smear campaign to convince people who can’t think for themselves not to vote for him in 2020. I’d place bets the Dems will spend the next 2 years trying to impeach trump which will backfire like it did for the republicans with Clinton. Obama has been going around the country claiming this economy is his which is a lie. What’s his tally at? You have selective outrage.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Most of the lies are coming from a lying media machine that lies about what is a lie, and lies about what is the 'truth'. They lie about lying and the ones who lost the election drink it all up unquestioned like they're true believers at Jonestown. WOW!

Who checks the fact checkers? The lying media? The NYTs? (lol)(lol)(lol)

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

You are alt right. The press are liars. Mueller’s team are liars. Don’s friends are liars. Fact checkers lie. The SDNY are liars. The guilty pleas are lies. The court statemwnts are lies. Campaign finance violation is a witch hunt. Russian influence never happened. Collusion, there’s no collusion. There is no global warming. The caravan of criminals is coming. We already built the wall.

Only the Don is a truth teller. Trust the Don. Even his lies are true.

We’ll see.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Lol SD and don't forget that every last bit of it is the fault of Obama or Hillary!

Mel81 Mel81
Dec '18

Imagine being a child, having your parents tell you not to lie, then reading and watching all of what is going on here.
Mets, the chronic lying by all sides does matter, it's not ok to say the ends justify the means.
It's actually pretty bad. You may get the result that you desire-but at a cost that has yet to be determined. That trend is not looking good at this point.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

All I can say is when Mueller finally has got trump done and fried and crusified, I'll accept it. It just seems like one big gotcha moment after another. The goal post move back far enough you're in the next stadium. If they don't drop something that has actual meaning, not a media hot topic for the week, it's going to fizzle out. I know it won't actually fizzle out, as it will go on until 2020, but the interest in it will. I'm not a fan of his or the Dems. Obama had something right, we do need a change. Not that he did anything to change the status quo.

Yesimpc Yesimpc
Dec '18

Iran wants 500 planes for it's civilian fleet and will try to get most from Russia

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-airlines-russia-sukhoi/iran-airlines-need-500-planes-official-mulls-sukhoi-reports-idUSKBN1OB1JT


Third Circuit: Second Amendment is a Second Rate Right

"The Second Amendment is an equal part of the Bill of Rights. We must treat the right to keep and bear arms like other enumerated rights, as the Supreme Court insisted in Heller. We may not water it down and balance it away based on our own sense of wise policy." - - - - 554 U.S. at 634-35.

Yet the majority treats the Second Amendment differently in two ways. First, it weighs the merits of the case to pick a tier of scrutiny. That puts the cart before the horse. For all other rights, we pick a tier of scrutiny based only on whether the law impairs the core right. The Second Amendment’s core is the right to keep weapons for defending oneself and one’s family in one’s home. The majority agrees that this is the core. So whenever a law impairs that core right, we should apply strict scrutiny, period. That is the case here.

Second, though the majority purports to use intermediate scrutiny, it actually recreates the rational-basis test forbidden by Heller. It suggests that this record favors the government, but make no mistake—that is not what the District Court found. The majority repeatedly relies on evidence that the District Court did not rely on and expert testimony that the District Court said was “of little help.” 2018 WL 4688345, at *8. It effectively flips the burden of proof onto the challengers, treating both contested evidence and the lack of evidence as conclusively favoring the government.

Whether strict or intermediate scrutiny applies, we should require real evidence that the law furthers the government’s aim and is tailored to that aim. But at key points, the majority substitutes anecdotes and armchair reasoning for the concrete proof that we demand for heightened scrutiny anywhere else. New Jersey has introduced no expert study of how similar magazine restrictions have worked elsewhere. Nor did the District Court identify any other evidence, as opposed to armchair reasoning, that illuminated how this law will reduce the harm from mass shootings. Id. at *12-13. So New Jersey cannot win unless the burden of proof lies with the challengers. It does not.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/12/third-circuit-second-amendment-is-a-second-rate-right/#ixzz5ZbwIYSW7

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Well this came out of nowhere... I wonder if the GOP is finally thinking it would be better to keep Trump than to lose to the democrats (or have him impeached)? If the wall gets underway, that would go a LONG way to securing his re-election, imo. Of all his campaign promises, that one was the big one. And no- we don't care if the US pays for it LOL.

It's likely nothing will come of it. DC can't get ANYTHING done in 3 weeks. The next big fight (besides trying to impeach Trump), will be Trump using the military budget to fund the wall, since it is literally a national security issue.

https://www.chicksonright.com/youngconservatives/2018/12/12/top-house-republican-drops-bomb-we-have-secured-enough-votes-to-fund-wall/

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Yesimpc - great post. Well thought-out and balanced. I agree.

(can't believe I'm agreeing with someone who has "PC" in their screen name LOL)

The new dem house might have enough "evidence" to impeach, but unless its way more damning than campaign finance violations (which were smaller than Obama's), the senate will not impeach.

Heck- Clinton lied to the American people, and then lied to congress (which is what he was impeached for), and even a REPUBLICAN senate wouldn't convict. Clinton was impeached on grounds of perjury to a grand jury (by a 228–206 vote) and obstruction of justice (by a 221–212 vote).

The whole political field has turned into the National Enquirer, and like Rebecka said: alot of it is nothing but a distraction to keep us from seeing the bigger picture, and certainly from coming together as a people. It's virtually planned chaos- it's not chaos yet, but they're working on it.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

@Metsman ...

"The rest of us are happy with the direction things are going"

Wrong !!!

Speak for your self most of the country is not happy with Trump ... You must have blinders on !!! or you just lack any type of common sense ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

The Second Amendment is an equal part of the Bill of Rights. We must treat the right to keep and bear arms like other enumerated rights, as the Supreme Court insisted in Heller. We may not water it down and balance it away based on our own sense of wise policy.

Yet the majority treats the Second Amendment differently in two ways. First, it weighs the merits of the case to pick a tier of scrutiny. That puts the cart before the horse. For all other rights, we pick a tier of scrutiny based only on whether the law impairs the core right. The Second Amendment’s core is the right to keep weapons for defending oneself and one’s family in one’s home. The majority agrees that this is the core. So whenever a law impairs that core right, we should apply strict scrutiny, period. That is the case here.

Second, though the majority purports to use intermediate scrutiny, it actually recreates the rational-basis test forbidden by Heller. It suggests that this record favors the government, but make no mistake—that is not what the District Court found. The majority repeatedly relies on evidence that the District Court did not rely
on and expert testimony that the District Court said was “of little help. It effectively flips the burden of proof onto the challengers, treating both contested evidence and the lack of evidence as conclusively favoring the government.

Whether strict or intermediate scrutiny applies, we should require real evidence that the law furthers the government’s aim and is tailored to that aim. But at key points, the majority substitutes anecdotes and armchair reasoning for the concrete proof that we demand for heightened scrutiny anywhere else. New Jersey has introduced no expert study of how similar magazine restrictions have worked elsewhere. Nor did the District Court identify any other evidence, as opposed to armchair reasoning, that illuminated how this law will reduce the harm from mass shootings. So New Jersey cannot win unless the burden of proof lies with the challengers. It does not.

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/12/third-circuit-second-amendment-is-a-second-rate-right/#ixzz5ZbwIYSW7

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

"Speak for your self most of the country is not happy with Trump ... You must have blinders on !!! or you just lack any type of common sense ..."


LOL in reality it's more half and half; just like the election results. It's a perfect split down the middle, which is exactly how DC wants it. Keeping up the hate and division only serves them.

Depending on which poll you believe, Trump pretty much has the same approval rating as Obama did around midterms; pols can be controlled of course, so some polls say Obama was higher, some say Trump is higher, the truth, AS USUAL, no doubt lies somewhere in the middle.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

@JeffersonRepub - Read the facts ... Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million - not exactly a 50/50 split ... .. He is a traitor to the Constitution and this country (Lock Him Up) ... but just shows you how poorly educated we are in this country to blindly follow a idiot off a cliff... very sad ... his days are numbered as well is the republican party ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

"Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million - not exactly a 50/50 split "

In the grand scheme of 128 million votes cast, that makes the tally 48.8% to 52.6%... well within a "margin of error"... technically half? No. Technically most? Yes. But REALISTICALLY, it's very close to a 50/50 split, much closer than you and others would have the rest of the people believe.

And of course I don't have to tell you we elect by Electoral College (for good reason), not popular vote (mob rule).

Traitor to his country? Completely unproven. Just your opinion, which you entitled to have. But spouting your opinion as fact (a favorite pastime around here) means nothing. If it's shown he committed actual treason, kill him. But then I'd be all for going back and digging super-deep into the Clintons as well.... dirtiest hands in politics in a very long time....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

While you all argue about who is lying these people gave their lives so you could argue..

R.I.P. Justin Allen 23, Brett Linley 29, Matthew Weikert 29, Justus Bartett 27, Dave Santos 21, Jesse Reed 26, Matthew Johnson 21, Zachary Fisher 24, Brandon King 23, Christopher Goeke 23, and Sheldon Tate 27.... All are Marines who gave their lives this week for you. There's no media for them... not even a mention of their names

citychick citychick
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

Very sad. Always sad. Our vets do not get what they deserve: the pay, the healthcare, and not being put in harm's way over things they shouldn't be used for.

BTW, I'm not arguing about who's lying- they're ALL lying, they ALL always have, and it's not going to stop.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

"The rest of us are happy with the direction things are going."

Yeah, look at your 401(k)s and say "thank you"... oh, wait... damn... that ain't even going very well now, either, is it?

ianimal ianimal
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

"SD you’re the only one interested in the so-called 6,000 lies. The rest of us are happy with the direction things are going." And they say I am in an alternate reality. The reality is that you hate Hillary so much that you sold your soul to win. You now accept hate speak, lies, cheating, as common fare. You are willing to do any deed to succeed. And you soothe your soul by saying "it's just more of the same, "THEY" did it first."

You selected your snake oil salesmen with his Mafioso management style to clean the swamp. Reap what you sow. JIT loves a root cause. The root cause is that Trump is corrupt. He made his fortune flaunting laws and leveraging capital to do so. His private, clandestine organization is mostly family at the top, crooks and fixers at the next level, and then the soldiers. The root cause is they are a corrupt, criminal, organization. And some applaud their antics.

InaugurationGate has cropped up again as Federal Prosecutors review the finances. There are $10's of millions missing. Good news: they will probably hang this on Gates as being responsible for managing the funds. So it will be InaugurationGatesGate. Question is what happens when we follow the money. Was any of it foreign? Was it for access? Why were all those Russians in the front row at Trump's inauguration? Time will tell but what is known is that Trump hires crooks. Lots of them.

Campaign Finance Gate has upped their ante with Trump's tiny friend, his Pecker, who has gone soft and flipped on him announcing publicly that Trump was there, Trump directed the action, the action was designed to win the election, and that the action included a corporate donation violation component as well. Cohen concurred in court and has pleaded guilty to the charges. They have Trump on tape. This is a Trump indictable criminal offense, no matter what the Don tells you.

ButinaGate has our first Russian to flip. She will now tell all about how she influenced you through the NRA. I know, you are open minded patriots that never would fall prey to Russian propaganda. Yeah, we said that about the Benghazi Muslim hate tape too. Butina's guilty plea sort of says, no --- the NRA did fall prey. And you fell prey to the NRA. Like Trump answering Butina: "we will remove the sanctions," you fell prey. The interesting part will be to follow the money. The NRA donated much more to Trump than in past elections. Time to follow the money and see if any was foreign, as in Russian.

RussiaGate is still behind Mueller's closed doors. He seems content to continue his investigation while perhaps doing a little orchestration with SDNY, DC/MD State, and DOJ/Spy Team. Why did the Nixon impeachment plan hit the FOIA release at the penultimate moment from a request from a couple of K-street attorneys?

ManafortGate turns slowly as Manafort appears to be heading to sentencing. This one is very weird as it appears Manafort is doing everything he can to get as much time as he can. CorsiGate is tracking right along this same path as well. Time will tell whether life in prison, tell all, or pardon will result.

Trump FoundationGate can proceed a NY State Supreme Court judge ruled recently. Campaign finance violations again (and a really mean way to run a charity) but this one includes Ivanka, Don Jr., and Eric. Note to rich fools: do not include your kids on your foundations. Ask Don or Bill how that's worked out..... The defendants must respond by January 2019.

Chief of Staff Gate: Don has more people not wanting than wanting to be Don's last CoS. The tweet refusal was the cat's pj's of a dis. Basically, the Don hires and fires more lame talent than any other President in our history. Can't wait to see what clown he convinces to take this beating. Note to Trump: do not have prospectives interview with ex-CoS's…. https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/08/politics/trump-admin-departures-trnd/

EmolumentGate: Maryland and DC are still suing Trump over unfair competitive practices at his DC hotel that caters to the foreign and famous including hundreds of room rentals by the Saudis. Judge rules in the summer that the Don's case can continue, Trump is appealing (legally that is). This one is big in that if it goes to court, Trump may have to reveal his guest list and that could be a killer.

Much to do and if it's Friday ----- It's Mueller time!!! Keep the faith folks, he may be innocent. And then again ---- see picture :>)

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

"Yeah, look at your 401(k)s and say "thank you"... oh, wait... damn... that ain't even going very well now, either, is it?"



Oh IDK... my sister made $2700 on hers the last couple of months... guess it depends on the investments....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

"Oh IDK... my sister made $2700 on hers the last couple of months...guess it depends on the investments...." Oh yeah..... First, take out her deposits and the corporate matching. Then tell us what she invested in so we can verify. Love to see that one.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Is she older with most of her money in areas other than the stock market? If not, that would be some fantastic feat considering both the Dow and Nasdaq are down 10% since the beginning of October.

Also, $2,700 as an absolute value doesn't say much if you don't know the principal from which it was earned. (not that I'm asking you to divulge that information... you probably don't even know, lol) Just saying that there's a big difference between gaining $2,700 on $500,000 versus $100,000... my Captain Obvious moment for the day.

ianimal ianimal
Dec '18

Trump is a traitor ... Trump only cares about Trump ... Lock Him Up ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

"First, take out her deposits and the corporate matching. Then tell us what she invested in so we can verify. Love to see that one."


You're funny, always grasping at straws.... Captain Desperation.

She's self-employed, there is no corporate matching. And the $2700 was pure profit, does not include the deposits. No idea what she's invested in, but I'm sure it's diversified.

And Ian- it's a long story, but she only started saving several years ago (she had a good reason to not be able to save prior to that), so while I know she's been putting as much away as possible, we aren't talking 30 years of deposits. I don't think it's even been 10.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Rumor has it that Trump is considering Chris Christie for Chief of Staff... which will cement the comedy gold coming out of the White House for the next two years at least. My only concern is how will Trump tell Christie and Sarah Huckabee apart?

ianimal ianimal
Dec '18

And what should Trump be locked up for LibertyThinker? Do you have a crime in mind? Paying off women to keep quiet is not illegal. And even if it’s a campaign finance violation in the end, Obama had a much larger violation and only got a fine. No, you just don’t like the guy. If there truly are high crimes committed by this President no one would stand by him. It’s gonna take a hell of a lot more than this to get rid of him. And back to your popular vote nonsense… You do realize that 3 million came from California right? Every state is like it’s own little country with their own set of laws. There should never be a popular vote except within the states themselves. That’s just a cry baby tactic used by the left. I can tell you I wouldn’t have said a word if it was the other way around and Trump lost even though he had more popular votes. There’s wisdom in having the system that we do.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/12/coven-trump-campaign-finance-spakovsky/

Good luck proving Trump committed a campaign finance violation.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

We are not taking about the past - we are talking about today current events ... Trump is a liar - You are delusional to follow that idiot off a cliff ... unless you are a idiot also ... Just Saying !!!

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

Oh ok so we should forget how the last president is treated for a campaign finance violation but throw the book at Trump... gotcha... That's not how it works. Nice try...

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Wow, for the moniker "LibertyThinker" you don't seem to believe in LIBERTY much....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

"Paying off women to keep quiet is not illegal." I am sorry, but in the face of frequent push backs as to the legitimacy of your claim, this is a completely stupid remark. Or spin, take your choice. He may not be found guilty, but there is a campaign finance violation and these payoffs can apply. Especially now that Pecker has come forward.

The crime is not paying off women; the crime is campaign finance violations, one is a corporate donation crime. Over and over..... Do you have a link that dares to say this is not a criminal act?\ One written post Pecker?

Clearly, if Cohen and Pecker already pled guilty to this crime, do you need a dollar to buy a clue? If you are right, they are the stupidest people on the planet. If you are wrong, Trump is a liar. Tough one to believe who is right......

Let's go with Times: "Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'"
http://time.com/5374619/donald-trump-campaign-finance-law-crimes/

Or do you just hear lawyer Trump and you agree?

Perhaps this is where you are coming from: https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/403072-did-president-trump-violate-campaign-finance-laws

Problem is that's before Pecker firmed up and framed the third-party corporate contribution, motive, and intent. Think people might believe that Trump put this plan in place in 2015 and would have done anything in October of 2016 NOT to get hit will another Billy Bush scandal? Good luck with the jury on that.

And so capping it off is US News sort of putting Summer Alan Dershowitz on the outs as the Pecker development rose up..... https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2018-12-13/michael-cohen-ami-and-the-legal-peril-facing-donald-trump

Doesn't matter. It ain't the indictment, it's the impeachment that matters and as Spock would say, this crime or lack thereof is just "Sauce for the Goose," This is just the foundation for the Russian deluge that will go on top for Congress to consider. If Trump lasts that long.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Hey Metsman ... Why is Don Jr hiding in Canada is he afraid of Mueller ? he lied to Congress also just like Cohen... and is it just me does our Idiot President look even more Orange everyday ... Guess he wants to match the Orange Jump Suit Mueller is about to put him in ... I love you trump Supporters so easy to get under your skin ... I know this stuff drives you nuts ... "Lock Him Up" He is a traitor and all of his supports will drive country into a Civil War when the report drops that he is Putin's Puppet !!! ...haha The Republican Party is toast :) You supported a traitor to the Country ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

Oh yea what did he lie about? Can't wait to hear this one....

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

"My only concern is how will Trump tell Christie and Sarah Huckabee apart?"

Sarah has long hair. ;-)

Calico696 Calico696
Dec '18

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/slate/ - from slate with a left bias

New Jersey Democrats’ Diabolical Gerrymandering Scheme Is an Affront to Democracy
By MARK JOSEPH STERN

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/12/new-jersey-gerrymandering-plan-bad.html

Yup, Democrats gerrymander too. Gerrymandering has been commonly done by both sides. Look at any deep blue state (California, NJ, Maryland etc) in 2018 and the % of R seats is always much lower than the % of R popular vote. Just like in Texas, Georgia, etc. but with the opposite party. Gerrymandering has pretty much become part of the US political system at this point.

Meanwhile - NJT wants $300M out of FEMA

https://www.nj.com/politics/2018/12/nj-transit-asks-trump-wheres-the-300m-you-owe-us-for-sandy-damage.html

So NJ wants to thumb their nose in the face of Federal Law by not cooperating with ICE and proudly declaring themselves a sanctuary state, yet are shocked that the feds don't cooperate.

Totally Trumps fault despie - NJ Transit trains remained in Kearny yards during Sandy even though plan called for moving equipment

https://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2013/08/post_361.html


1, Hurricane Sandy happened while Chris Christie was your governor.
- Christie did a absolutely HORRIBLE job at allocating the funds properly and favorably chose the wealthy in NJ to receive the funds first, leaving the average NJ citizen without any money for repairs or stuck in the government black hole in an attempt to claim said money. People I know personally affected by the storm are STILL trying to get the money they were promised.

2, More importantly - while all of this was happening, Barack Obama was president and had 5 years to handle this with the previous governor. Yet, neither party worked together to get it done properly.

Now, all of the sudden, the money which the previous governor and president had 5 YEARS to hand out, is Trumps problem? He's the cause for all of this now?

will the last one of you out of NJ please take the flag..

skippy skippy
Dec '18

You do realize these indictments they're laying down are silly right? Flynn was told by the FBI not to bring a lawyer because they made it sound like it was a friendly chat. First the FBI said he didn't lie then Mueller came along later on and decided to go after him. There's a judge looking at the case as we speak. I hope he throws the plea deal out and dismisses the case. Still where's the Russian collusion? Talking to a Russian is not illegal. The guy lost everything over that. There's something wrong with people who think lives should be ruined over dumb crap like that. Trump Jr had a brief meeting with a Russian, nothing came of it. Now they say he may have lied. Again where's the Russia collusion to tamper the election? Why was it ok for Hillary and her team to obstruct justice and lie but Mueller is going after people for petty nonsense... There's no such thing as equal justice when it comes to the Democrats. And you liberals come on here saying forget about the past, well no... It's not a fair system. You have a former FEC director saying Trump didn't commit a campaign finance law violation, because Trump is a brand. Much like a Hollywood starlet would pay someone off to protect their name, you could argue Trump did the same thing and would have had he not been running for President. John Edwards actually used campaign donations to pay off someone and his case got dismissed. So please tell me where are all these really bad crimes Trump has committed. There aren't any. If he did something really bad I'd be on board with impeachment. I'm sure JR would be too. So no I wouldn't follow Trump off a cliff. That's a figment of your imagination.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Did you read the article, skip?

"In separate legislation providing $60 million for Sandy relief, federal lawmakers said FEMA would cover 90 percent of the costs of hurricane-related damage, with state and local agencies responsible for the remaining 10 percent.

For NJ Transit, that put the federal government on the hook for $728 million of the $809 million damage assessment. The deal was that Federal Transit Administration would pay the costs until its allocation ran out, and FEMA would cover the rest.

The transit agency ponied up $445 million. FEMA suggested that NJ Transit also use $188 million in federal transit funds earmarked for projects to protect against future storms to help pay the damage from the last one. NJ Transit said no.

That left FEMA on the hook for about $283 million.

After the federal transit funding ran out, NJ Transit asked FEMA to start paying the bills. That was in December 2016."

So, Trump was President-Elect and Obama was already on his way out the door when the initial request for FEMA to start making their statutorily required payments was made. It was probably six months into Trump's term when some bureaucrat at FEMA even LOOKED at the request... so, this doesn't have anything to do with Obama or Chris Christie. Just Trump being Trump...

ianimal ianimal
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

"Gerrymandering has pretty much become part of the US political system at this point."

THAT is tyranny, in my book.


"will the last one of you out of NJ please take the flag.."


Sigh. It'll likely be me... I'll leave a replacement tho:

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Even if he did all of the things you hatemongers claim, he is still a better choice than Hillary.

Rosie Rosie
Dec '18

Christie turned down the job ... He told Trump he looks fat in a Orange Jump Suit ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

Do you have any sources for that Mets or are you just winging it again?

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

That was done after the fact Ian - that legislation was put up by menendez in the senate.

Obama was still president and this was an effort to move the burden to the federal taxpayer

Skippy Skippy
Dec '18

SD good one ... Metsman loves pulling BS out of you know where... Metsman is more then likely been brain washed by Foxnews .. which is also know as FAKE NEWS !!!! LOCK HIM UP !!! Orange man will look great in a Orange Jump Suit ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

"That was done after the fact Ian - that legislation was put up by menendez in the senate.

Obama was still president and this was an effort to move the burden to the federal taxpayer"

What does it matter by whom or when the legislation was written? It WAS written and it WAS passed into law.

Isn't the burden of ALL natural disasters typically put on the federal taxpayer? Don't tell me North Carolina taxpayers are paying for all the damages in your state due to Hurricane Florence, are they?

ianimal ianimal
Dec '18

Yea ok…. I always used to watch CNN prior to the election. They are fake news which is why I stopped watching them. It’s called critical thinking, try it some time. LibertyThinker you’re the one chanting LOCKHIMUP…. If that’s not brainwashing that you heard from other liberal stations then IDK what is… I turned Fox on because they make sense. I turned off CNN after I had to listen to Van Jones rant about the election being a white washing… What are you kidding me… That had to be the dumbest thing I ever heard on a news station.

SD I posted an article about the former FEC director above.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flynn-judge-orders-mueller-to-turn-over-fbi-docs-after-bombshell-filing-claiming-he-was-pressured-by-agents

There’s the Flynn article. I’m sure the other news outlets aren’t covering it.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

+1000 Rosie


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/case-michael-flynn-timeline

If this is all true, the judge should toss the charge against Flynn.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/12/14/alan-dershowitz-michael-cohen-claiming-trump-knew-payments-women-were-wrong-not-illegal

So here you have a Harvard Law professor stating what Trump did is morally wrong, but not illegal. SD will probably come on saying he knows better than this guy. Oh by the way he's a Libertarian so you can't even use his political stance against him.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Love it you posted FakeNews links ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

Honest question Metsman, do you consider yourself a well read and well informed person? In this thread you've posted 5 links, 4 of them from foxnews.com. In the North Korea/Immigration thread, you posted foxnews.com links over 35 times. I'm not even sure you posted any links from any other site.

It makes sense for you to go to their website because you know you're going to see the news you want to see. Although don't you think it's a little strange that without doing serious digging on their website, you can't find an article that questions the presidents actions or discusses the possible implications of the investigations circling him?

The funniest part is that Trump has you convinced that ratings = truth. Look at how often you bring up ratings when talking about news networks. Is it that strange that we elected a president that had every word defended by, and was completely supported by the network with the higher ratings?

Reasonable Reasonable
Dec '18

Your right Ian Inre-read it. There was maybe a month where Obama could have done something.

This issue started in Dec 2016.

• ⁠2012: Federal transportation amendment (written by Menendez) notes that FTA was the primary funder of transit disaster recovery, with FEMA picking up the tab if FTA funding ran out.
• ⁠2012-2016: Federal funding via FTA paid recovery bills for NJT until late 2016.
• ⁠When funding ran low, FEMA said, "How about you take the federal money we're giving you to protect against FUTURE damage, and use THAT to pay recovery?" NJT said no, we need that for what it was given for.
• ⁠Dec 2016: State of NJ appealed to FEMA to start paying the bills.
• ⁠April 2017: FEMA denied the request
• ⁠June 2017: State of NJ appealed
• ⁠May 2018: FEMA denies appeal, says "FTA was supposed to pay for all of this" (they were not)
• ⁠Aug 2018: After the statute being pointed out to them, FEMA amends the denial to say it made a 'discretionary decision' that FTA was supposed to pay for all of this ("Screw you, we decided to ignore that statute")

FEMA under Obama asked NJ to use disaster prevention funding for recovery efforts. Trump shut it down

Skippy Skippy
Dec '18

grow up liberty, nothing fake about it, Dershowitz renders a spot on correct legal analysis.

He's right in what he says. Nothing illegal in it even though it looks bad.

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Reasonable if you can't come to a logical conclusion that the Mueller investigation is nothing but a smear campaign, then IDK what to tell you. They've had 2 years to produce evidence Trump colluded with Russia and their evidence is of something else, that he paid off two porn stars and no one can seem to agree whether it was a campaign finance violation or not. If John Edwards case got dismissed and he actually used campaign funds, then Trump isn't facing anything. Come up with something real for crying out loud.... This is what you liberals want to impeach a President over? I didn't think Clinton should be impeached either. So I'm not towing any party line here. This is all politics as usual. Both parties trying to sabotage each other. Unless something substantial comes out, you're not coming close to a 2/3 vote in the Senate.

Now you look at the convictions Mueller got.... Manafort... Convicted of crimes from a decade ago that had nothing to do with Trump... Cohen... Caught evading taxes but pleads to campaign finance violations to get out of hefty jail time... Everyone else, caught in perjury traps for misspeaking over things that weren't crimes to begin with. Give me a break....

I'd like to see you liberals prove why Fox is fake news. I won't hold my breath. I've seen anchors on Fox say they don't agree with some of what Trump does especially with Twitter. I don't agree with everything he does either. I posted something from the daily caller 6 hours ago by the way.... I'm at work when I post usually. I don't have time to be looking around at a million different sites to appease your wanting of diversity in articles...

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

Should I be concerned?

ianimal ianimal
Dec '18

I love it... Alan Derschowitz, a long-respected attorney and LIBERAL DARLING for decades, (he's actually a libertarian, but due to his strong civil rights views the left loves him, and rightfuly so), has an opinion the left doesn't like, and he says it on Fox News, therefore the opinion is rendered invalid.

They can't prove the message wrong (Derschowitz), so they attack the messenger (Foxnews), is if THAT makes the MESSAGE wrong. LOL

This is straight out of Rules for Radicals. If they can demonize a source like Fox News, and get people believing EVERYTHING they say is false, then EVERYONE who ever goes on FN is also false.

Of course, the people know better. CNN's and FN's rating say so. It's also how Trump got elected- by NOT listening to the Rules for Radicals strategy of the MSM.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Federal judge strikes down Obamacare as unconstitutional... I guess it's back to SCOTUS...

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/14/677000626/federal-judge-strikes-down-affordable-care-act-as-unconstitutional

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Doesn't that just make you super secure, ianimal? so many looking after us

4catmom 4catmom
Dec '18

ObamaCare: if you break it, you own it. How many HLers are screwed by this.

Is this how you support covering pre/existing conditions? You sure just talked big about doing that before you KILLED them.

20 million people at risk of having insurance cancelled by Republicans.

You know, if you had any balls, you would have killed it last summer, you passed. Why?

If you had something better, why didn’t you put it on the table already? Waiting for the right time?

Gonna replace it like Nafta with Nafta 1.1, call it TrumpCare and scream “mission accomplished, game over, I told you it’s easy.”

Don’t blame Congress, blame Trump voters.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

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Be less than you can be, join me, Donald J Trump, as my next, in a very long line of established CoS disasters, and I will chew you up before hacking you out in what will become your most memorable, and final, career limiting move.

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Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Now now SD.... it'll be ok. Pour yourself another drink. After all, it's Christmas Time!

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

“You know, if you had any balls, you would have killed it last summer, you passed. Why?”

It seems they did, just took a while to put all the legal pieces together.

ACA was passed, and the Individual Mandate was stated as being a critical linchpin to the ACA overall (not severable from the rest). The tax for not purchasing a plan was a separate section of the law (triggered by not purchasing a plan). SCOTUS held that the Individual Mandate was unconstitutional by itself, but legal because it triggered a separate tax.

Congress then eliminated the tax last year. Without a tax trigger propping it up, the Individual Mandate is (again) ruled unconstitutional - just like SCOTUS did. Since it’s not severable from the rest of the ACA, the whole thing should get tossed.

The tax was the weakest link in the ACA, and without it, the act no longer holds together.

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

Yes, Mark, but what else?

At the root, that's only 10 million or so at risk of losing their subsidized insurance.

Another 133M who might feel some pain because they have pre-existing conditions if we return to pre-ACA status.

And around 20M on Medicare Expansion which goes bye-bye too.

And lastly, about 3M kids under 26 can loose their insurance under this ruling.

Might just be the tip of the iceberg. If taxation can not be used to force insurance purchase, can it be used to force unemployment insurance OR social security insurance? Are we in a "be careful what you ask for" teachable moment?

Or will we just return to those heady days of capitalism without these social programs protecting us when we are sick, unemployed, or of retirement age? You know, good ole capitalism like before FDR?

Might be good time to go for the gold standard JIT, the Nationalist stars are in alignment!

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

“If taxation can not be used to force insurance purchase”

That’s not what happened here. Agree or not, taxation can (if worded creatively) force a purchase. Congress got rid of the tax here, and without that Congress does NOT have the power to simply compel a purchase in and of itself.

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

Plenty of wealthy on Obamacare as well. I know a woman, never married, works part time, owns house free and clear (gift from parents, along with a trust fund) and gets Obamacare for 135.00 per month (quite a bit for her as she has a minimum wage job and is in her 50's).

No health insurance, better not have any assets that a hospital can slap a lien on. They are becoming more and more aggressive in collecting funds.

Healthcare is and will continue to be the number 1 issue that taxpayers are going to be concerned about going into the future. Grandma and Grandpa who are on socialized medicine (aka Medicare) have already got theirs and since they are the primary voters in America no politician will go against that, what they will do is go against current workers and the youth. Expect more tapering, more "grandfathered" rules, same types of things they suggest for the state workers (no new pensions, old ones "grandfathered') etc. Trying to bring this slowly to a stop, keep the pot from boiling over. Problem is, just like the pensions, it's not going to slowly stop, it's like a fully loaded train filled with toxins and flammable liquids headed right into a sharp curve in the middle of Main Street, USA.

Just waiting to see more shoot em' ups at the hospitals when those that can't afford healthcare but can afford a gun and have nothing to lose....

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

Got it. Great, means SS and EUI are safe for now. So, all they have to do is force everyone to pay health insurance taxes which we can use to buy insurance, or not (but you lose the money) and it will all be well, basically unchanged, and a tax again. Maybe CUT TAXES at the same time by removing the Corporate Tax break on providing health insurance to employees. I'm tired of paying that anyway. Then we can all be in the same boat, employed, unemployed, employed w/o coverage, kids, whatever.....

Just remember: you broke it, you bought it, it's yours. And if the SCOTUS kills, that's on you do. Ain't power a fickle fiend?

I think after a decade, you should know what to do. Why, just the other day you had an idea......

Of course, President MASA, and you, failed miserably on that in 2017 after Mr. MASA telling us how easy it was for him, and him alone, to fix it in 2016. Perhaps if you, and your President MASA, spent more time on policy instead of grabbing pussy, you might have a clue.

Oh, I forgot, you can only destroy legislation, you can't create. At least not in this generation of Nationalists. MASA --- Make America Sick Again. Dig more Coal. Remove Safe Water regulations. We be heathier now, we no need them anymore.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

SD,
No one likes the middle class, don't you get it. The wealthy (Repuke and Democrap alike) have no need for you, too expensive to hire, too needy, constantly whining. You need to be replaced by a machine, a 403b visa holder, or have your job outsourced until you collapse into Poorville, where you are better controlled. Your life is controlled by corporations and lobbyists, like it or not, neither of which wants you around anyway. They have no political affiliation, whoever gives them what they want is who they will support.

The locusts are not done eating yet, there is a patch or two of green left in the field.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

"Just waiting to see more shoot em' ups at the hospitals when those that can't afford healthcare but can afford a gun and have nothing to lose...."


More? Have there been any "shoot 'em ups" at hospitals because people couldn't afford health insurance? I've never heard of one...

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

J.Repub,
It's not exactly a non-insurance issue, and I stand corrected as to your comment, but there are things like this:



Less than 24 hours ago, Davidson was shot twice outside his office at the Brigham. He was rushed to the hospital's operating room, where his friends tried to save him. He died after several hours of surgery.


We don't know much about Stephen Pasceri, the fifty-five-year-old man who shot Davidson and killed himself in an exam room afterward. He was an accountant, and was active in his church. He was licensed to carry a firearm. His friends and neighbors described him as a "nice man."

What we do know is that Pasceri was frustrated with the American health care system. We know that when his 79-year-old father died in 2011 — after a short, futile hospital stay — Pasceri was angry enough to go to the media. To publicly ask then-Senator John Kerry to conduct an investigation of his father's $8,100 medical bill.

“Truth be told, [hospitals] do it because they can get away with it,” Pasceri said at the time. “If my father had had Medicare Part B, we likely never would have looked closely at the bill. I'm certain that Medicare is being overcharged thousands of times a day by hospitals that will have great difficulty justifying the costs they are passing on.”

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

Government Shut Down.

End of ObamaCare.

Yeah, 2020 looking good. Can't wait to the "but they won't work with us to do exactly what we say is a bipartisan process" tweet parade as Trump figures out he's got no replacement. Ten years and he has no replacement envisioned.

Well, we'll always have "most Americans with Health Coverage happened in a Democratic House, Senate and Presidency." We'll always have that memory.

Back to third world status for health care access.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Love the B.S. examples propagated by the right;
“ I know a wealthy woman on Obama’s care..”
Or,
“The person in line in front of me at the supermarket purchased filet mignon/lobster tails/caviar with food stamps...”
One of my favorites,
“ the tax cuts will pay for themselves....”
The fact that 35% of them unwaveringly stand behind the criminal enterprise operating out of the White House tells us all we need to know.

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Its even better that NJ conservatives haven't figured out how Trump and co. screwed Red States and that NJ, without the SALT deduction and with the highest property taxes and in the top five for SALT, will be totally screwed come 4/15/19.

I pre-paid mine so I am safe for one year. Hopefully we can get some Federal Tax fairness by then. How about you? Did you pre-pay your property tax? Did you figure out whether your windfall covers your SALT loss?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

The Dems are in control in January. Come up with a better healthcare plan. I know I looked at Obamacare back in 2014 when I was laid off and I couldn't afford it. Then I got hit with the tax the next year when I filed my taxes. So lets not act like it was some dream come true. It needs to be revamped.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

My Prop taxes under $10K.
I’ll see how it affects my income property- I’m sure in a negative way.
What is most frustrating is that the tRUMPazoids have fealty to a television character.
Apparently cannot do long addition, operate a calculator, taken a civics or ethics course.
But in a country with 5% of the worlds population,
30% (approx) of the worlds GDP, produces maybe 25% of the worlds food and is producing a generation of obese children- they still don’t have enough.
{shrug}

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

"Government Shut Down."


Best Christmas present EVER!!

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Mets: I sort of owed you a Dershowitz response, just wanted to shake the snarky off first like when you say:

"SD will probably come on saying he knows better than this guy." sweeeet.
" Oh by the way he's a Libertarian so you can't even use his political stance against him." Really, like Libertarians hold some high ground on this? Why?
"SD the left makes up rules as they go and you know it." sweeet again....
"You're stretching things and even a well respected authority in the law like Alan Dershowitz would say you're wrong." yeah, like the other experts stretched but Dershowitz doesn't..... This crap is not conducive to further discussion.

I do understand Dershowitz's view but was waiting for him to make the same statements now that the Pecker confession is on the table. He hasn't to the best of my ability to find out.

"He explained that a presidential candidate could give cash to an individual and explicitly state not only that the payment is to buy their silence about alleged improprieties, but also that it is specifically designed to help their campaign, and that still would not be a crime." Unfortunately, Cohen and Pecker's AMI made/accepted these payments muddying up Dershowitz's claims. The amounts are in excess of corporate contributions, that is a crime. Cohen, being an agent of the Trump campaign, can not accept these contributions, another crime.

Campaign Finance Law is byzantine and unusual. For example, on this one, ignorance of the law IS an excuse. You must be knowing and willful about breaking the law. I guess they wrote the law figuring no one can follow the law honestly and they didn't want to convict everyone on ignorance.

In this case, Trump is not ignorant of the law and is on record as saying that, starting with his expert knowledge and opinion on the John Edwards case. Subsequent meetings with Pecker and Cohen on the matter, trying to hide the money, tying to hid his involvement, phone calls directing Cohen --- all look bad.

Also, there has to be a provable, publicly provable, intent to sway an election. Thus John Edwards slipped the noose saying he did it not for the election but to save his dying wife the agony. They could not prove differently.

In this case, the timing for Trump is terrible, weeks before the election and weeks after Billy Bush in one case. A game plan constructed in 2015. Pecker on record saying he made the payments, with Trump's concurrence, so Trump could win the election. Again, does not sound good for the President.

So it isn't the amounts or the fact that the President paid hush money, Dershowitz's main points. It isn't that paying someone off is illegal, it's the knowledge of the wrongdoing and the intent of said payoffs that will be the issue for Trump. A dead banger no brainer: NO. Dershowitz's no problem, not illegal: not bloody likely.

But until we hear post Pecker Dershowitz, I give the guy a chance to redeem himself against this new information in that his arguments seem to be made before Pecker's statements. Chances are Trump won't be indicted, the real court is pubic opinion and Congress's red line for "high crimes and misdemeanors." Given 17 different investigations underway at the State and Federal level against every Trump organization imaginable: his charity foundation is a personal honeypot, his company evades taxes and emoluments, his campaign is in jail, his inauguration committee"lost" millions, his family has helped, his administration is crooked, and that's before we use the word Russians.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

I whole heartedly agree with you JR.
They don’t send me any checks- I send THEM checks.
I will feel very sorry for those that get furloughed and don’t receive their paychecks in a timely fashion- especially at this time of the year.
tRUMP already accepted ownership of the
“SHUTDOWN” in front of TV cameras, Pelosi and a wax figure of VP dUNCE.
Let him alienate a few more % points of the electorate.

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/01/26/when-wall-was-fence-and-democrats-embraced/QE7ieCBXjXVxO63pLMTe9O/story.html

In 2006 Americans wanted a Wall. Americans sent bricks to their senators as support. Guess who was a huge proponent of it andvoted for it. Chuck Schumer.

They settled for a Fence

https://www.schumer.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/schumer-more-border-officers-are-needed-to-fight-delays-and-move-traffic-more-efficiently_and-soldiers-returning-home-to-the-north-country-from-overseas-have-the-skills--training-necessary-for-these-positions-schumer-bill-would-link-cbp-to-qualified-veterans-looking-for-work


http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Charles_Schumer_Immigration.htm

Voted YES - on comprehensive immigration reform to include - border barriers, vehicle barriers, fencing, radar, and aerial vehicles;
detention capacity for illegal aliens apprehended crossing the US-Mexico border;
workplace enforcement, including an electronic employment verification system; and
Z-visa alien processing.

so did Fienstein.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/schumer-feinstein-voted-for-a-border-fence-in-2006/2018/01/15/bbe1578a-fa3d-11e7-9b5d-bbf0da31214d_video.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3d938bbf5e52

in 2009 Schumer said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8z2L42qedM&feature=youtu.be

“First, illegal immigration is wrong,” Schumer declared, “and a primary goal of comprehensive immigration reform must be to dramatically curtail future illegal immigration.”

did the parties flip again?

skippy skippy
Dec '18

Again SD thinks he knows better than law experts. Not surprised by that response...

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

"tRUMP already accepted ownership of the
“SHUTDOWN” in front of TV cameras, "


You say that like it's a bad thing ;)

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

I believe, according to figures provided by you JR, that the % vote spread advantage in 2016 Presidential was approx 3.8% (+-) for the Dems.
This past November, in the midterms, that spread expanded to almost 9%.”, again for Dems.
The trend is not your friend.
Forget about re election- tRUMP will be hard pressed to finish this term.

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Not if you think furloughing 2.7M people and still paying their salaries via your taxes is a great thing....

Oye Mets, I said I was waiting on post-Pecker-Dershowitz for him to confirm or deny based on the new info to which I put my comments. You sure are sensitive when it comes to Dershowitz and StrangerDanger. Hmmmm. Always adding in the emotion and drama.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Market tanking -AGAIN-
“Where’s your Messiah nowwww...?”

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Debt based money is loved by all Republicrats so it doesn’t matter which figure head is at the helm...

justintime justintime
Dec '18

"Market tanking -AGAIN-"

Yes, because it's Trump's fault that J&J put asbestos in baby powder, that worldwide companies are abandoning Hauwei for upcoming 5G networks, and that Goldman Sachs is getting sued in Malaysia.

In the meantime, other companies still have (or are set to) spend $1 Trillion on stock buybacks this year, which I generally think is a good thing (i.e. the company thinks their stock is worth buying and it raises the price of the outstanding shares).

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

Wasn’t that money being spent on stock buybacks planned to go to business infrastructure upgrades and higher salaries for their employees?? BUT YOU KNEW THAT WASN’T GOING TO HAPPEN.
But that’s not the reason.
The reason is uncertainty caused by the Idiot in Chief you voted into office- that business and financial savant that declared bankruptcy FOUR TIMES- and stated that only stupid people LIKE YOU AND ME pay taxes.
Really, what could have gone wrong???

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Sssh, Trump has convinced Mark that if Trump gives the corporations back the tax dollars that the goverment was going to spend on Mark for improvements and then the corporations turn around and pay off past debt instead to make their stock prices artificially rise for fake profits that somehow Mark who owns little stock will be better off. Meanwhile, because Trump gave the tax dollars back without cutting costs, Trump will borrow heavily from China to stay afloat marking the largest DEBT ever. There is no recession and Trump spends like a druken sailor. These aren’t Repblicrats; these aren’t Republicans. These are Nationalists baby.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Love listening to guys who are hardly experts in anything act like they have all the answers. Let’s hear the ingenious economic plan you two guys have.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Echo..... echo..... echo....

brendan brendan
Dec '18

I assume you have evidence of anything you said there SD? Are you my stock broker?

I would rather public corporations (who have accountability to shareholders) decide where to spend money than the federal government (for whom accountability is a 4 letter word).

You also realize that stock buybacks are different than paying back debt, right? Not that either is bad, but it’s a sign that the company thinks the best place for their money is in their own equity. Investing in themselves, so to speak. Not really a sign that they think the future is bad (in which case you’d think they’d want to keep their assets in cash).

Finally, I can pick and choose what companies to invest in. If I want to choose companies that pay dividends or increase share value by purchasing back their own stock, I can. I can’t say the same for Federal spending, which may or may not benefit me at all depending on how/where they choose to spend my money (goes back to that whole accountability thing).

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

Heard one today.

No matter how old you are, we are at the place where you have never seen this before.

17 investigations.

Two more indicted today.

Lies, lies, lies.

Working Trump Tower Moscow to November 2016 according th Rudy

Millions missing from inauguration

Millions missing from Trump foundation

Repblicans defending Flynn AFTER Flynn pleads guilty.

Russian spy infiltrates NRA.

New Report shows Russian meddling much more pervasive than believed previously.

Attorney General is a rube

CoS is acting

People who cooperate with the FBI are rats

Brutal murdering dictators are strong rulers

Friends are foes and foes are folks we can get along with

It’s a brave new world.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Yea cuz Flynn did something unspeakable... oh no... He talked to a Russian legally but was dumb and lied about having spoken to the person. Have to ask yourself, why did the FBI even need to speak to him when they already knew he did nothing wrong. They went after him to create a crime. Comey was a leftover from Obama and thinks he's some kind of rock star. Doesn't take any responsibility for some of the questionable things his agency has done. Yet he expects people to trust in the institution when people like Peter Strzok were clearly biased. He clears Hillary before they even talk to her. They give immunity to people who committed crimes for no reason. But you're worried about Flynn. Right... I certainly don't condone lying to law enforcement, but you have to wonder about their motivations. Still no Russian collusion. Enjoy the next two years of Trump. You want to get rid of him the legitimate way then bring in a candidate that is worthy to beat him. Hillary's hands are way more dirty than Trump's, she just gets protected.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

HEY JIT.... I think you will appreciate this:

"Let’s stop pretending that America in 2018 has a “justice system.” It’s not a justice system. It’s a set of elite institutions that swing the law like a sledgehammer to crush threats to the ruling class’s monopoly on power. You know, threats like the people we elect to represent our interests against the elite. And we are under no moral obligation to pretend it is anything else.

This painful to admit it, but we need to grow up. There are two sets of law in America today, meaning there is no rule of law in America today. Oh, there are statutes, and there are courts, and there are agencies full of people with guns willing to enforce the will of aspiring tyrants, but there is not rule of law. There is only power, theirs and ours. Time to get woke to the undeniable fact that the Fredocons deny up and down. Justice is no longer blind. Her blindfold is off and she’s picking favorites.

You are not one of her favorites."

"It’s all a lie and a scam anyway, and there’s no sense pretending this is all some kind of legit truth-seeking exercise in support of lofty and noble principles. It’s a tawdry frame job by a failed elite desperate to hold on to the power that the people revoked in November 2016. "


https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2018/12/17/pardon-everyone-except-that-rat-cohen-n2537555

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

@Metsman ... I am starting to think you are a Russian KGB agent ... I have one that lives on my street totally in love with Russia ... totally dead up stairs .... not a single thought comes out of his head that has not come for FAKE NEWS aka as FoxNews ... So you are good with our President being a traitor ? ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

"So you are good with our President being a traitor ? "


The level of nonsense in this statement is not worthy of reply. You accuse others of being "fake news" but I'm sure CNN speaks only truth? You accuse others of crimes, even treason, yet I'm sure you think Obama and Hillary were pillars of virtue?

This is the ridiculousness, the rabidity, the obsession, the party loyalty, the blind confirmation bias, that must stop. Without critical thought, America as we knew it, is over. Sheople- on both sides. Being led to the slaughter.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

"Yea cuz Flynn did something unspeakable... oh no... He talked to a Russian legally but was dumb and lied about having spoken to the person. Have to ask yourself, why did the FBI even need to speak to him when they already knew he did nothing wrong. They went after him to create a crime." Given all you know about Team Trump, I am amazed by your naivety. Why you blindly choose the Trump spin over the FBI spin is interesting.

It used to be lying to the FBI was a slam dunk crime. In Trumplemania where anyone looking at Trump in a negative light has the mark 666 on their forehead, the intelligence community comes under fire for being totally evil, inept, and part of some weird conspiracy out to get the Don. Yeah Don, yeah Mets, the conspiracy is called The Rule of Law under The Constitution. Get used to it.

First, the FBI questioned Flynn in their duties for the Russia Investigation. Should they have not interviewed the guy who sat next to Putin? Does Mets think he deserved a pass since we already knew what he did? He lied. Perjury trap: really, for this guy, a seasoned General, Security Expert, and Federal Government sort of guy? He willingly, without coercion, pled guilty to the lie basically stopping prosecution on his other nefarious deeds of which who knows what all they were except that the FBI does, so how many other deeper and richer crimes did Flynn escape the gallows with his plea? And Mets: that's how law enforcement climbs the ladder to get more and bigger fish. Already, on the more side, two of Flynn's buddies just got indicted. Wonder how the FBI got that info. Getting to unspeakable yet?

Flynn pled guilty to two conversations with the Russian Kislyak, specifically he lied about asking for Russia constraint in their response to Obama’s sanctions over the 2016 election meddling, Flynn pretended not to remember Kislyak's response (which was no retaliation since that would hurt Trump's election chances). Flynn also noted his report on this meeting to a “senior official with the Presidential Transition Team" linking another Trump senior staff member yet to be named.

I dunno, doesn't that spell c o l l u s i o n? And asking Russia to do things while Obama is still President, that's another nothing burger for you? Not quite unspeakable yet?

For the second meeting with the Russians, Flynn lied about the UN Security Council Resolution condemning Israeli settlements. Flynn said that a Trump Transition Team senior official ordered Flynn to contact Russia to get them to vote no. Again, Flynn forgot the response which was no, we don't know the unnamed senior official on this one either, and, of course, he did this while Obama was President.

What do you call it when someone perverts our national agenda with a foreign party in order to win an election? Conspiracy? Unspeakable?

And then there's the illegal lobbyist work Flynn forgot to file for his work with Turkey, even while employed by Trump doing his foreign agenda work and while in the Trump administration. Sounds almost like a double agent. Good hiring Don.

The third charge against Flynn says he misrepresented the extent of his work on behalf of the Turkish government through his firm, the Flynn Intel Group.

I don't think this plea is a nothing burger. I think Flynn, as Mueller has indicated, has been a wealth of information and corroboration of crimes. And if we get the bigger fish, the plea will have been worth it IMO.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

LibertyThinker I hadn't watched 1 minute of Fox when I had my own thoughts. The ridiculous news you watch is liberal spin that had it out for Trump way back when he walked down the escalator at Trump Tower to announce his candidacy. How is he a traitor? You have nothing to back that up. I think you should look in the mirror when you talk about people being dead upstairs...

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

"Townhall is an American politically conservative website and print magazine. Previously published by the Heritage Foundation. The website also publishes news articles from the Associated Press. Townhall has a right wing bias through story selection and sensational wording of headlines. However, they do tend to source their news content well. Opinion pieces have a very strong right wing bias. Further, a Townhall editor has also published a Pants of Fire claim. Overall, we rate Townhall right biased in story selection and wording and mixed for factual reporting based on a failed fact check. (7/19/2016) Updated (2/9/2018)" Media Bias/Fact Check

This is the kind of reporting they do: https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/aug/05/katie-pavlich/townhall-editor-claims-us-agency-empowered-itself-/

Now JR posted an op ed, but any facts provided within may require some extra scrutiny.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

@JeffersonRepub - You have termites in your head ... please see a doctor ... and note were have I have said anything about CNN .. but you seem to love every stupid word spoken on FAKE NEWS (FoxNews) as it is the only news organization with honest reporting ... Your posts over the past few years also have me convinced you are a Russian KGB Agent ... I wish you the best when your hero President is locked up and the Trump Organization is torn to the ground ... and sold of pennies on the dollar ... I love it the Republican Party is toast ... You are blindly following a traitor off a cliff ... LMAO ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

" Your posts over the past few years also have me convinced you are a Russian KGB Agent"


LOL time to take your psych meds, LT.

And look up the definition of "liberty" while you're at it...

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Fa la la la la, la la la la....

ianimal ianimal
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

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JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

JR, the author is a bit over the top for me, but your right that I agree in principle. Manipulation is the name of the game: works great if your in the bigs or if you’re in-the-know. But is lowly peons got nothin’.

LT, relax. You’ve jumped through the hoop provided (aka listened to and believed the narrative you were told), but instead step back and walk *around* the hoop rather than through it. Trump is an ass. He’s arrogant, a bully, a jerk, and I’m sure some other unfriendly names. He will still be all those things when you get to the other side. But by listening to the crap peddled by those showing you the hoop then you’re allowing yourself to be played.

So wait. Wait for all the bs to stop, then reflect on whether any of it makes sense in the real world, not just the world the game players are creating for you in order to keep Republicrats fighting each other. Distracting from our true problems, I might add, like debt based money, TBTF (aka monopolistic companies or organizations). The primary goal today? SQUIRREL!

Lol we’re in quite a pickle these days and the folks controlling the narrative don’t want you thinking - they want you to believe what they say without question. Don’t be “that guy” lol.

justintime justintime
Dec '18

"JR, the author is a bit over the top for me, but your right that I agree in principle. "


Yeah, that was why I mentioned you... he's obviously got his own axe to grind, but he's 100% correct on the "selective justice" in this country.



"The primary goal today? SQUIRREL!"

Exactly!!!!

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

""Let’s stop pretending that America in 2018 has a “justice system.” It’s not a justice system. It’s a set of elite institutions that swing the law like a sledgehammer to crush threats to the ruling class’s monopoly on power. You know, threats like the people we elect to represent our interests against the elite. And we are under no moral obligation to pretend it is anything else."

"I agree in principle" Really. You agree in principle that we DON'T HAVE A JUSTICE SYSTEM? How tight do you pull the tin foil down before you have these thoughts?

elite institutions?
crushing threats to the ruling class power monopoly?
like people we elect to fight the elite?

You "people" won the Presidency, you won the House, you won the Senate, you own the States. Where are the "elites?" The justice system is made up of people from all walks of life. The justice system is NOT some organization of the elites, run by elites, for the elites. With all that power you got in 2017, what is your problem in getting things done two years later? You own it all but still feel under the control of the elites who own nothing. All you can do is get a beer swilling rapist to the SCOTUS.

Your paranoia about being controlled while sitting in power is only bounded by how much you can whine about being downtrodden while owning it all. YOU are the monopoly. YOU are the elite now.

And come January, your time is over for one reason: because you failed.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

So Mets and JR are KGB? Got it.

LOL.


" All you can do is get a beer swilling rapist to the SCOTUS."

Wow, just Wow.

kb2755 kb2755
Dec '18

Yeah, that was a pip all right....sorry, I meant beer swilling, alleged rapist to the SCOTUS. Is that better? Consider it your Chappaquiddick, wear it well for the next few decades......

Now Flynn's lawyer say non-mirandized perjury trap. Dershowitz says the same, Flynn not guilty. Judge asked, were you coerced, were you willing, do you want to go your lawyers and the Dershowitz route.

Flynn answers ----- NO WAY, lock me up.

It's a brave new world in Trumplemania.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Don't be purposely stupid. lynn was set up by corrupt agents in the FBI who lost their jobs and got themselves thrown out of the FBI for mishandling this very investigation.

This malfeasance on the part of these disgraced FBI agents is the stuff that makes up Flynn's guilty plea.

The judge would do well to not accept the guilty plea to a crime that was a setup like this.

So yeah, in this case, justice isn't being served due to the bad actors in the FBI who are on a religious holy mission to unseat a duly elected president. (and so are you)

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

KB , don't feed the trolls.

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Yeah, SD has lost his mind. Again.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

SD if the Democrats receive ZERO votes on their policies by Republicans next year, then guess what, they'll fail too. We've reached a point in time where the two parties are a detriment to everyone.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

SD, we get that you don’t get it. In fact, given your positions over the past decade, I don’t believe you want to choose to open your mind to understand, cognitive dissonance and all.

That’s not meant to be a dig on you, rather a punctuation mark that we are all different and with different perspectives on things. If you always stand on the left side of the street you’ll only ever see things from that perspective. Likewise from the right, same exact thing, thus my continued “Republicrats” comments. Walk around a bit and try to see things from both sides of the street. It’s amazing how your views can expand if you try.

Do *we* have a justice system? Of course, no one is saying we don’t. Now, is that system applied equally or unequally, and if unequal then who is it that can benefit from that inequality? Im certain you know the answer but maybe you don’t want to believe it, and if you do believe it then I suspect you probably condone it, self-benefits and all . Fine, that’s your prerogative but it’s also your self-imposed mental cage.

justintime justintime
Dec '18

"We've reached a point in time where the two parties are a detriment to everyone."


Which is exactly how a populist won the presidency. He's no republican, not by modern-day standards. The GOP didn't want him either don't forget. And they aren't exactly helping him keep his campaign promises either.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Justintime

Do you want equal justice or fair justice?..There is no one size fits all law

Bug3
Dec '18

Equal. Fair is always subjective, is it not?

justintime justintime
Dec '18

well you want both

"The proper administration of the law; the fair and equitable treatment of all individuals under the law."


Encyclopedia of American Law:
justice. (n.d.) West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. (2008). Retrieved December 18 2018 from https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/justice

skippy skippy
Dec '18

Jit; why dies you open mind always bear hard right while you sing about fair n balanced.

The suthor, with whom you heartily agreed, clearly said what I summarized. You agreed we have no justice system in 2018. And I responded.

And you attacked. Hey, that’s not meant as a dig; it’s meant as the truth. You seemingly can’t help yourself. Likewise, for the idiotic, stupid, ugly people on the left who act like you do....... ;-)

Keep it up gamesman; I can play, in kind, all day.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Nice language. You kiss your mother with that mouth? ;-)

Btw, does 10 years of history tell a different story? I think not...

justintime justintime
Dec '18

But 20 years of history does, I think so, therefore I yam what I yam.

Yeah, those be some bad words. We get that you don’t get it.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Mexico will pay for the wall.

Congress is Mexico.

Deport Congress.

Trump sees writing on the wall

Stop this government, I want to get off.

Flynn pulls angry judge; pleads guilty again. Judge says treason. His lawyers say “my bad.” Flag thrown on the play. Charged with delay of game. Sent to locker room. See you in 90 days. Sanders says, nope—FBI ambush.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Treason? What about the treasonous activities going on every day for the past 50+ years due to special interest group -- AIPAC?


I dunno. Was the judge talking about that too?

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

@Strangerdanger - I was pretty shocked that the Judge asked the FBI why they did not charge Flynn with treason. (That was very telling - since the Judge might have more details from the FBI then what the general public has been told) - now we wait...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

Positive yesterday’s courtroom happenings prevented the Fuherer from getting a satisfying nights sleep.
Googled the phrase “azzz in a sling” and tRUMP’s picture showed up

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

He asked Flynn in FBI correced him, no. Was he guilty; yes. He basically had Flynn blow up the defense and Team Twitter spins. Later, the defense lawyers took it on the chin saying theirs was a bonehead move. The judge saw something else that told him Mueller was too lenient, IMO. He walked back the treason line since it was stupid and technically impossible. He went with traitor to the country instead and said even if Flynn confessed more wrongdoings, there could be jail time. But take 90 days and give it a try.

So IMO, the judge was shocked that a person at Flynn’s level could stoop so low, but also that Mueller was responded with too much leniency.

It’s also a message to Don, don’t go to court.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

This is all I can contribute - You're welcome

4catmom 4catmom
Dec '18

enjoyed the laugh 4cat, thank you

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

And of course no talk of criminal justice reform that just passed in the Senate, just the same talking heads salivating over our unequal justice system. Comey broke the law leaking classified info to the press. McCabe lied to law enforcement which led to his firing. Neither of these guys brought up on charges. But you’re giving each other high fives over Flynn being entrapped to lie when there was no need to talk to him over the Russian Ambassador, which was a legal conversation. Had he not lobbied with Turkey, this most likely would have been thrown out. If Cohen hadn’t been a crook and evaded taxes, they would have had no case with the campaign finance plea. He only plead to that to avoid significant jail time for the tax evasion. What’s funny is, SD you really don’t understand the criminal justice system. Just because you plea to something doesn’t mean you’re guilty of it. It’s a deal in exchange for cooperation. In the end you’re not going to get your wish. Donald Trump will be President through at least 2020. The Senate isn’t going to get a 2/3 vote to impeach him over paying hush money to porn stars. A good lawyer could prove a case that Trump was trying to protect his brand. So unless Mueller has something real, like Russian collusion, which he is supposed to be looking for not this side show crap. Then this investigation was nothing more than a smear campaign for 2020. Mueller wasn’t given the FBI director job, so right there is a conflict of interest. His team is full of Democrats some of which worked with the Clintons. More conflict of interest. Tell me again how this whole thing has been fair when liberals and a snubbed interviewee are leading the way… If you investigated everyone in Washington, I bet most of them would be charged with a crime if a neutral source were in charge of doing so. There’s no such thing as equal justice in Washington. If you’re a Democrat you get away with a lot.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

The most painful announcement from yesterday was the closing of the “tRUMP Charitable Foundation”.
Thank about all of those in need that now cannot count on the “Foundation’s” generousity and support.
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
{dispicible example of a human being}

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

" lynn was set up by corrupt agents in the FBI who lost their jobs and got themselves thrown out of the FBI for mishandling this very investigation." "Flynn being entrapped to lie when there was no need to talk to him over the Russian Ambassador" You all ready to walk these back yet, oh Trump whisperer..... I mean, Flynn said it is not true, his lawyers said it was not true. Only you and Sarah Sanders still believe Trump over your own eyes.

How about this one oh Trumplemania lover. Do you hate Hillary enough to accept.....

Oh my, guess it turns out I was less than right on the Trump Foundation. It is much worse than I reported. Got root cause JIT, need to wait for alleged to turn into guilty on this one to take a stand? Can't follow the money? Here's a hint: the guy has always been a crook.

What kind of guy starts a foundation for the tax breaks, then uses it as a personal tax-free checkbook to fix his hotel's fountain, buy really bad personal portraits from charity, with foundation dollars, take the tax break twice, and then hang in his hotel for free... OR, best yet ----- $7 for his kid to join the Boy Scouts. Meanwhile, his hundreds of thousands of dollars of purchases, Trump has now valued at under $1,000 so we can get yet another tax break. What a whore.

They will now go after him, Ivanka, and Don Jr, all for civil charges. Figures that a guy named JR is guilty as sin :>)

His foundation was a political machine: it was directed by the Trump campaign to fund the FL State Attorney General; it was used to further Trump's Presidential campaign via the Vet telethon (did they ever see a dollar?). Trump said: Trump no can be sued while President and that the family was not evil, just stupid and that it was this case, politically motivated, that is evil. The judge said: FY, game on Tiny.

But you guys still vote him as the swamp cleaner, right?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Kinda like the Clinton foundation - pays for weddings lol

Skippy Skippy
Dec '18

Yeah, the only difference is that I can PROVE that Trump is a crook. Can you say the same or can you post tweets, FOX tweet repeat, and the like?

You have fake news that was furthered by your lying, cheating, thieving, tweetmaster general of who you sheepfully believe all.

The Trump foundation has Don's signature on every check; there is NO oversight. There is no transparency. This is the way alt righters like it: in the shadows.

The Clinton foundation's books are the most transparent of any American Charity foundation.

"The Clinton Foundation’s finances are independently audited annually, and reports are posted to the charity’s web site for public examination. Certified public accounting firm BKD audited the Clinton Foundation’s finances for the year 2010 and found no evidence of any misleading or inaccurate financial statements made on Internal Revenue Service disclosure forms."

Rated: unproven. "This rating indicates that insufficient evidence exists to establish the given claim as true, but the claim cannot be definitively proved false. This rating typically involves claims for which there is little or no affirmative evidence, but for which declaring them to be false would require the difficult (if not impossible) task of our being able to prove a negative or accurately discern someone else’s thoughts and motivations."

We call that conspiracy theory 101. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rating/unproven/

If you're going to rely on false equivalencies, please, at least, have one that can be proven true at least. Mine are corroborated by the New York State Attorney General's Office. Impugn them if you will, but continually throwing up Clinton as an excuse for Trump belittles your belief in Trump. Especially if you can't prove your spew.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Flynn was set up by corrupt agents in the FBI who lost their jobs and got themselves thrown out of the FBI for mishandling this very investigation.

"Comey broke the law leaking classified info to the press. McCabe lied to law enforcement which led to his firing. Neither of these guys brought up on charges. " - - - +1 Metsman, good point,

These FBI agents have brought themselves and their agency into disrepute by mishandling this thing from the getgo. Of course the resident rank partisans here on HL close off literately half their brains in order to keep the hate festival train hurtling down the tracks

So yeah, in-justice is what is being served here, not justice, and you guys are letting them get away with it , shame on you for this. Honestly you guys are out of your minds.

Flynn is as much a victim here as anything else he may have pled guilty to. The FBI should be held to task for behaving this way. The guilty plea, being fruit of the poisoned tree, the judge would be well within his rights to not accept guilty pleas that were coerced under these abusive conditions.

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

SD is very blind to issues on both sides. We try to show the hypocrisy and he just sweeps everything Clinton related under the rug like it doesn’t matter. It’s just Russia, Russia, Russia. Impeach, impeach, impeach. He sounds like a puppet of Maxine Waters.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Strangers- one other difference.
Cretin tRUMP is (for now) the President of the United States and a self proclaimed bazzionaire.
What kind of sick person steals from the needy when, self admittedly, they don’t need it?
tRUMP Droids take a seat in their “way back machine” to justify this subhuman’s actions.
Need to get off their azzes, look in the mirror and deal with the here and now.
History recorded millions that lived near “death factories” in Europe and claimed they “ didn’t know”.
Deaf, dumb and blind doesn’t cut it.
History will judge them harshly.

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

I don't hate the Clinton's or Obama. Never once stated that. I just find it funny you liberals think they're squeaky clean and did nothing wrong. I think you need to get checked out because all you do is attack people. Oh I forgot I'm a KGB agent according to you.... LMAO...

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Your both right and both wrong.

A tidbit here and a tidbit there, for or against, all of it is like working a puzzle when you don’t know what it looks like.

SD, deny it all you want but you are famous (infamous, really) for seeing a single puzzle piece and telling everyone how certain you are that you know what the puzzle picture will look like. There’s zero chance of that ever happening yet you blather on, day after day after day, shouting “listen to me, I’m right!!!”. What I can’t figure out is how I seem to be the only one willing to say it because I’m truly not trying to pick on you. But your posts are such bs at times that it’s almost unbelievable to me.

The problem, as always, is that you might be “right”. But good lord, the time spent building your case to fit the predetermined outcome, arguing as if there’s no possible other outcome, is quite ridiculous imo.

Your recent posts about having never claimed there was Russian collusion with Trump had me in stitches! WTH were you thinking when you wrote that, because there are literally thousands of your posts arguing that exact point? But now that it looks like the evidence isn’t there (yet, stall may imo) your transition in focus to the others being investigated was pretty astounding!

Anywho, maybe yes, maybe no, but don’t get pissy when others call you out on your game playing. IOW, play nice :-)

justintime justintime
Dec '18

"SD is very blind to issues on both sides. We try to show the hypocrisy and he just sweeps everything Clinton related under the rug like it doesn’t matter. It’s just Russia, Russia, Russia. Impeach, impeach, impeach. He sounds like a puppet of Maxine Waters."

What a lie.

"Impeach, impeach, impeach" You may feel it, but I am not saying it. Not like that.

"SD is very blind to issues on both sides. We try to show the hypocrisy and he just sweeps everything Clinton related under the rug like it doesn’t matter." Crikey, I'm just a moderate Democrat, you are a Nationalist. And when reviewing Trump's crimes and alleged crimes, help me, why do you need a Clinton metric to judge Trump? Why are you using Clinton to set your acceptance bar? Why does it matter if Clinton did something when reviewing what your King is doing?

First you use a false equivalency to measure Trump against one or the other Clinton. You conflate Bill and Hillary as some monolithic liberal entity. Hillary was never President.

Second, I have never said sweep it under the rug: you OWN the Presidency, the entire Congress, the DOJ --------> you have had TWO years, git er done or shut up. We are gitting er done on our case(s), all 17 of the current investigations led by a minimum of 7 different teams of prosecutors. Yes, it's either the entire Deep State or The Rule of Law, you be the judge, but we know where you stand and what kind of hat you wear.

Third, in case you missed it, while Russia is often in the mix, we are well beyond Russia given the investigations into:

- The Trump Foundation: status ---- State of NY will proceed with civil case against your King, Ivanka, and Don JR.

- The Trump Campaign: status ---- oh shoot, they're all in jail or heading there and yes, Russia is often mentioned, just not conspiracy yet

- The Trump Inauguration: status --- pending but Russian lobbyist Patten turned State's evidence

- The Trump business: status ---- oh man, not enough room:
1. Trump Tower Moscow: pending, who knows what Cohen has said
2. Emoluments Case: ongoing by MD and DC AGs issued subpoenas
3. Tax Evasion: State of NY, pending

- Russia (there you go Mets):
1. "12 Russian military intelligence officers from the GRU indicted, 13 people indicted from the Internet Research Agency, alongside three Russian companies, and a guilty plea from one California man who unwittingly aided their identity theft. Manafort aide Sam Patten is cooperating with investigators."
2. "Both Trump aide Roger Stone and Corsi have said they expect to be indicted. Unclear if looming charges against Assange relate to Mueller investigation."
3. "national security adviser Michael Flynn and foreign policy aide George Papadopoulos have pleaded guilty to charges related to their campaign and transition contacts with Russia. Cohen and Flynn have both provided extensive cooperation to Mueller about the campaign and transition contacts."

That's just some of them. https://www.wired.com/story/mueller-investigation-trump-russia-complete-guide/

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

"Yeah, the only difference is that I can PROVE that Trump is a crook"


YOU can? ROFL this oughta' be good....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

No self awareness is how that's done, and a dishonest character to make it all work

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Well at least Trump is good for #2 things ... Keeping the Justice Department very busy .. and keeping our Federal Prison Cells filled up ... Republicans simply lack any type of common sense or a soul ... They spend way to much time watching fake news ... $2 bet ... Trump resigns in 2019 under the pressure of Mike Pence ... Pence will promise full pardons for the Trump family ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

The Trump foundation thing was settled by donating whatever funds were in it which were pennies compared to Hillary's pay for play foundation. Not sure where you think that is going.

The Trump campaign... Um other than perjury traps, no one is going to prison for anything related to the campaign. They've yet to prove the campaign did anything wrong. Talking to Russians is not illegal sorry try again. If that were the case Obama should be indicted for being on tape making promises to the Russian Ambassador during the 2012 campaign. Cohen is going to jail for the tax evasion crap doesn't matter if he plead to a campaign finance violation. The latter is under dispute by many experts as either being legal or illegal. Manafort will face time for his transactions that took place before the campaign. Just stop already... Trump won fair and square. I can't believe there are fools out there that believe Russia decided our election.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

@Metman ... "Trump won fair and square. I can't believe there are fools out there that believe Russia decided our election." ha ha ... coming from a Russian KGB agent ... who has no issue with a United States Citizen running for President talking to a government that we have never trusted ... You are a traitor to the United States Constitution ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

I guess you missed the part where Obama talked to a Russian during the 2012 campaign. No evidence Trump talked to any Russians during his campaign.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

“I can't believe there are fools out there that believe Russia decided our election“

You’re adjective is a bit strong, but I agree. I’ve no doubt the intent was there, but we’ve got such an overwhelming amount of our own internal propaganda that it drowns out all others and I’d be hard pressed to see any outside influences having any affect at all.

justintime justintime
Dec '18

"SD, deny it all you want but you are famous (infamous, really) for seeing a single puzzle piece and telling everyone how certain you are that you know what the puzzle picture will look like." "famous (infamous, really)" Oh my, is someone making a final picture, a judgement, based on only his allegations? Thank God we have you to do exactly the opposite in waiting for the entire picture to be 110% complete before you have the balls to take any stand. We call that the empty hat approach. When you read my overly long tomes, just think "allegedly" and you will be fine.

Have I missed on a judgement yet? Have I been proven to be living the lie? I did the Trump Foundation starting in 2015 --- think I nailed it then based on it being closed down and heading to court now.

Have been pointing out Russian sympathizers since 2016: got Manafort, Flynn, PappaJohn, Gates, and others ---- they're not pleading guilty to Russian collusion but certainly singing to the State about access, dozens of meetings, backchannel creation and more. So......getting closer, and no report yet.

Trump Company --- DBank, Emoluments, Tax Evasion --- still working but looking good to convict, subpoenas issued in MD/DC, and all heard here well before cable news, that's for sure.

Family Separation ---- Do you really think if people followed your advice, Trump would have rescinded this awful, hateful policy? Are you suggesting we stand silent as Trump tattoos id numbers on boarder crossers arms? Memories of your homeland perhaps? No, I refuse to stand silent, to wait for judgement before taking a stand, that's how Nationalists like yourself move your agenda forward.

That's just a few, and all I can say is just think "alleged," if you can't figure that out. So far, I have not have to back down from hardly anything. And certainly you don't have the stuff to push back except "wait and see" and we tried that before. The Greatest Generation taught us ---- standing silent does not work against those looking to defeat The Rule of Law.

You started by saying Trump's the guy you selected to end the Republicrat's hold of government and clean up the swamp. Now you acknowledge he's got a foul, lying mouth. How much more of a nudge will you need to get out of the gutter and step up on the curb with me and say Trump is a career criminal who has been giving the finger to the rule of law for decades? And then it's just a small jump to the possibility, given all the meetings, access points, associations, career support, investment support, communication backchannels, and public statements that the Russian meddling, which is a provable fact that only Trumplovers deny, might, just might have a Trump Campaign component.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

For anyone interested in critical thought (no partisan hack-manship) of the state of the union:

America's "Cold Civil War".

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/americas-cold-civil-war/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=paid&utm_campaign=americanmedinsurance


(yes, the source- Hillsdale- is conservative; but the author really pick sides... this isn't an editorial "opinion piece" as much as it's political analysis. He tells it how it IS, how it WAS, and the possibilities of where it's GOING. He does not share an opinion on where it "should" go; he simply analyzes the current situation... no one knows where it's going, and that can change on a yearly basis, based on many things.)

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

"I’d be hard pressed to see any outside influences having any affect at all."

"deny it all you want but you are famous (infamous, really) for seeing a single puzzle piece and telling everyone how certain you are that you know what the puzzle picture will look like"

When you're right, you're right :>)

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

JIT exactly. Just look at our news media. They have the biggest influence.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

I mean to say the author really DOESN'T pick sides... too late to edit now....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

OMG the stupid continues. When will you get it unfree thinkers? Those who used free thought voted AGAINST the 2 party system and were not influenced by Russia or any other foreign agent! Except maybe a Kenyan Village Idiot.


Re: Current Events Thread

Love the Spinners’ Rubberband Man, an all time favorite :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7LvjhASLIg&app=desktop

justintime justintime
Dec '18

you're right Suze, right as rain :

Michael Flynn Is Owed an Apology

One year after he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, there is still no evidence that he is a traitor.

Remember when Michael Flynn was a traitor? It was early 2017. Democrats were still stinging from their defeat at the hands of Donald Trump. Every day, it seemed, brought news of another contact between Trumpworld and Russia.

As it turns out, none of this was true. On Tuesday Flynn will receive a sentence for the one count to which he has pleaded guilty, lying to the FBI. Special Counsel Robert Mueller has recommended no jail time. Flynn will have a chance to get on with his life.

So how did Washington get sucked into believing that Michael Flynn had betrayed his country? Part of it, surely, is guilt by association; the proposition that Trump wants to appease Russia

The evidence that Flynn was acting on behalf of Russia, however, is lacking. Yes, he attended a gala for Russia’s propaganda network, RT, in 2015 before joining the Trump campaign. But during the transition, as incoming national security adviser, Flynn would have been expected to have contacts with Russia. It was Flynn’s concealment of his communications that attracted the FBI’s interest.

It remains a mystery why Flynn, a man with a reputation for integrity and valor as both an officer and government official, would lie. Perhaps it was untoward, but there is nothing unusual about an incoming national security adviser contacting foreign diplomats during the presidential transition.

In no other era would these be grounds for treating a national security adviser like a member of a crime family. And yet that is exactly what the FBI did. On Jan. 24, 2017, then-Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe sent agents to discuss the phone call with Flynn without letting him know that he was being investigated. McCabe himself urged Flynn not to have a lawyer present, according to recent court filings. The agents interviewing Flynn knew exactly what he had said to Kislyak — they had a transcript of the call. The purpose of the interview was to try to catch Flynn in a lie.

What was the FBI investigating? The closest Congress has gotten to answering that question is in the report of the House Intelligence Committee, which says it received three conflicting responses.

One is that the FBI was investigating a possible violation of the Logan Act. This law, which dates to 1799 and makes it illegal for private citizens to conduct unauthorized negotiations with foreign powers, has never been successfully prosecuted. If this were what the Justice Department was investigating, it would at the very least be an abuse of prosecutorial discretion. Do Democrats want the Trump administration investigating John Kerry’s recent conversations with European and Iranian diplomats about the 2015 nuclear deal?

The other explanations are equally troubling. One is that the FBI continued its counterintelligence probe into Flynn even after its director wanted to end it. The other is that the FBI had an obligation to investigate Flynn’s “potentially misleading statements” to Vice President Mike Pence.

If that’s true, Americans might want to ask themselves if they want the FBI to investigate senior White House staff for misleading their colleagues. If this is the case, the current crime wave in official Washington dates to the late 18th century.

None of this is an excuse for Flynn. Lying to FBI agents is a serious matter. And not only did he lie about Russia, he also failed to register as a foreign agent for the government of Turkey, a crime that two of his former associates have now been charged with (Flynn has not).

But the context of a lie also matters. Nearly two years after the FBI trapped Flynn, the crime the Justice Department was investigating remains unknown. If it turns out that the reason Flynn was a target is as flimsy as violating the Logan Act or not being candid with his colleagues, then that itself is a scandal. The FBI’s independence is not a license to interfere in American politics.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-18/michael-flynn-sentencing-washington-owes-him-an-apology

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

SD no one said Russia didn't meddle, but if you think their operation was enough to make any kind of real impact on the election, then you're living in a fantasy land. Hillary lost because of her email nonsense, Benghazi, her treatment of Bill's accusers, calling people deplorables, and lack of message. If you take away just the email controversy then she probably would have won. Blaming Russian interference for her loss is comical. No one who voted for Trump thought he had no dirt on his hands as you'd like to believe. We knew he was a jerk. We knew he cheated on his wives. We knew he may have had some shady business transactions. But when your other choice is Hillary Clinton, we'll take his dirt over hers. People wanted change and Hillary would have just been the status quo and even led this country further into socialism. But that makes people like me KGB agents right....

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Muhammad Yun donating to Trump foundation ?

Skippy Skippy
Dec '18

So Russian “collusion” now becomes Russian “meddling”?

Next thing you know we’ll hear that they threw ice at somebody in the 80’s!

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

Ok - Serious Questions ... What does the forum think about the United States pulling out of Syria and letting ISIS know we are pulling out and pulling out fast ? From my point of view you never let your foe know what your plans are ... they can just dig in a hide a few months come back without a combative force to confront them ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

Dear World,
We are very, very sorry and embarrassed.
Please grant us your patience.
We will dispose of this abhorrence of a “ Leader” as soon as we can.
Again, please accept our most sincere apologies.
God bless you all and thank you much for your understanding.
We all make mistakes.

Thank you in advance, for your understanding.
Very Truly Yours,
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Dear World,

There's a new sheriff in town.
Yeah, he's orange. Get used to it.
Yeah, he's actually got a spine, unlike our last president and unlike most of the EU.
We're not paying more than our share for NATO/UN anymore,
And the rest rest of you need to start carrying the weight you promised to.
And you can shove the unfair Paris Accords up your butt.
(nice flaming riots, BTW, Paris.)

Yours very truly,
The American People

PS- Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

@JeffersonRepub - Yep you are a KGB agent !!! Who loves FakeNews and hates facts ... Your President you voted for is a traitor to the United States ... I hope you sleep well at night knowing Trump and his gang are Putin's Puppet !!!

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

liberty - clearly, you are no thinker. grow up.

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

LT,

Sit tight, comrade. We're getting to you... ;)

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Like Putin, I am glad we are getting out of Syria so Russia/Asad can have their way over there. Too bad about those Christians though but I am glad our kids are coming home.

Pretty much no one expects us to keep our word anymore, so leaving Syria, dumping on the Paris accords, fraking over our friends, fawning over dictators and thugs, screwing up NATO or the UN, hey, cost of doing business with US.

I mean 38% of us love him for the dying party of the 28%.

Now let's get out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and the other half dozen countries Trumpy has put us in that we don't even know about. I mean Somalia, what's up with that? Probably not even Christians to die in that "shxthole of a country," as your King calls it.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

LibertyThinker you obviously are incapable of critical thinking if you think Fox is fake news. They actually have a balanced cast of liberals and conservatives that come on shows. Most of the time the liberals sound like lunatics. A few are a bit more moderate and sound normal. And then there's Juan Williams on the Five... He sounds like a fool every time he opens his mouth. What do you get when you turn on CNN.... A heavy dose of everything liberalism has to offer. There's no such thing as balance on that channel. Everything related to Trump is OMG we're heading down a path of destruction!! Armageddon is near!! LOL... That's why I turned it off.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Can't we just talk issues and skip the personal parts. I know Mets is the guru of critical thinking just by the way he turns channels off when he don't like the cut of their jib. But judging others as incapable of critical thought, really, do you really think you are capable of judging others?

I mean his comments on FOX pretty much put him out of contention for being the judge of critical thinking. Probably thinks Brian is a smart guy too..... I watch FOX, MSNBC, but never CNN. I just don't even know why the right is so hopped up on hating CNN. Seems like a Trump tantrum to me.

Now JR found a real winner with Hillsdale piece. That guy is both smart and brutal. Like Coulter with a brain, Cheney with charisma. Good piece, I hate it, but good piece. Freakin Harvard, how could they do that :>)

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

"They actually have a balanced cast of liberals and conservatives that come on shows. Most of the time the liberals sound like lunatics."

Could it be that Fox News (who has been operating as an arm of the republican party forever) is selectively choosing their liberal guests in order to illicit the exact response you just had? When they accidentally bring on someone real, they just talk over the guest and cut to commercial.

Look, watch whatever you want, but when news stories are being covered by 98% of news outlets and the remaining 2% are dodging it or telling a completely different narrative, they are the problem.

Reasonable Reasonable
Dec '18

SD when people go around calling others KGB agents and traitors to their country, yea.... they're incapable of critical thought. You watch enough of CNN you eventually realize they're not reporting news or even telling you the whole truth. Border wall equals immoral. You don't want illegals coming here, you're a racist. Caravan... what caravan it's just women and children. Tax cuts what tax cuts... Pay no attention to the increase in your paycheck. January 25 2017... we need to impeach this President.... Who cares about the will of the people you're racist for voting for him. Police are bad... violent criminals who get shot and killed are innocent, police are racist.... Hillary destroys evidence that was subpoenaed... who cares what's important is impeaching Mr Orange hair....

Yea... I'm very capable of critical thinking. If you swallowed all of that crap the last few years from that failure of a news station with crap ratings, then you're incapable of critical thought.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Reasonable you can't be serious... They bring on very credible liberal guests all of the time. They don't answer questions just walk around them. Very few times do I hear a question answered directly. And in the end it's not the anchor who sounds foolish, it's the guest.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Metsman = Snow Flake ... ahhh ... did I hurt your feelings ;)

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

Not at all. You're good for a few laughs with your ridiculous names.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

in re Syria - Our involvement there was largely peripheral. Similar to the coalition partners in Iraq - they helped after the fact, but it wasn't their show. I hope Trump pulls out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Pakistan, Libya, next.

After conquering Libya - Saudi Arabia made a pipeline through Syria a key strategic objective. This would allow them to sell oil to Europe thereby destroying Russia's position. Assad said no - so they have been after him since 2005.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/international/2012/07/11/exp-amanpour-assad-2005.cnn

as I have stated previously - our economy requires us to keep up the petrodollar - so guess what - ISIS moved there from Libya and news of civil wars pop up justify invasion into Syria. I am glad we are not longer in Syria in service of Saudi Arabia.


ISIS as a single coherent entity was substantially defeated, there's not a lot of controversy in that statement.

There's little doubt that something ISIS-like will re-emerge, because that's what they do. The only way to permanently solve the problem would be to go full Imperialism on the entire region, and basically conquer it and operate it as a US territory for probably 50-100 years,

https://www.upi.com/US-backed-militia-retakes-final-Islamic-State-stronghold-in-Syria/8951544795499/

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/10/03/last-pocket-of-isis-fighters-surrounded-dod-official-says/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/world/middleeast/iraq-isis-islamic-state-arrest.html

skippy skippy
Dec '18

We’ve been in Afghanistan for 17 years. When does it end… Pull out of these pointless conflicts and build the wall, rebuild our infrastructure, pay down the debt…

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/pentagon-says-afghan-war-costs-taxpayers-45-billion-per-year

Things like this are why we accrue debt. We’ve probably spent trillions of dollars since 2001 on all the wars and skirmishes in trying to defeat radical Islamic terror. But then we’re worried about $5 billion for a better border wall than a fence that people climb over like it’s a jungle gym…

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

"SD when people go around calling others KGB agents and traitors to their country, yea.... they're incapable of critical thought." Are you alluding, for the second time, that I called you, or others, KGB agents and traitors?

Did you think I watch CNN.....even when I tell you the last time I indulged was about the time of the Boston bombing.

Do you have to live in a world of generalities where people who think like you are critical thinkers and those who don't think like you are not critical thinkers? Don't mean to be critical.....oh wait, I can't, I'm one of those.....

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Critical Thinking Check Sum: Our FAUX News Lovin Critical Thinker says: “SD no one said Russia didn't meddle but if you think their operation was enough to make any kind of real impact on the election, then you're living in a fantasy land”

No one said Russia didn’t meddle. Just in from fantasy island: “I don't think anybody knows it was Russia that broke into the DNC,” Trump said at the time. “She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia, but I don’t — maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, OK? You don’t know who broke into DNC.” Want 100 more....want yours.....

No effect? How would you know? You didn’t even know this three days ago: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/russian-election-meddling-used-youtube-instagram-more-than-previously-thought-senate-intel-report-says That's far right, highly factual reporting --- just for you. And from the report: “Between 2013 and 2018, the IRA’s Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter campaigns reached tens of millions of users in the United States. Over 30 million users, between 2015 and 2017, shared the IRA’s Facebook and Instagram posts with their friends and family, liking, reacting to, and commenting on them along the way.”

- The most far reaching IRA activity is in organic posting, not advertisements.
- Campaigning for African American voters to boycott elections or follow the wrong voting procedures
- Get Mexican American and Hispanic voters to distrust US institutions
- Encouraging extreme right-wing voters to be more confrontational and spreading sensationalist, conspiratorial, and other forms of junk political news and misinformation to voters across the political spectrum (SD adds: especially Mets….)
- These campaigns did not stop once Russia's IRA was caught interfering in the 2016 election. Engagement rates increased.

The Volume of IRA Facebook Ads, Facebook Posts, Instagram Posts, and Tweets, Monthly Average
Year Facebook Ads Facebook Posts Instagram Posts Twitter Posts
2015 207 360 2,110 59,126
2016 564 2,442 2,611 57,247
2017 541 4,234 5,956 59,634
Sure, no effect. Or was there? Neither of us can prove either, but there was a lot a #$%#$%3 out there and mostly directed to you….

“Hillary lost because of her email nonsense, Benghazi, her treatment of Bill's accusers, calling people deplorables, and lack of message. If you take away just the email controversy then she probably would have won. Blaming Russian interference for her loss is comical.”

No, Hillary lost because Don cheated. If he had told the truth, he would have lost.

“No one who voted for Trump thought he had no dirt on his hands as you'd like to believe. We knew he was a jerk. We knew he cheated on his wives. We knew he may have had some shady business transactions. But when your other choice is Hillary Clinton, we'll take his dirt over hers.” This is not true on so many levels. First, you had plenty of choice. I remember when there was a stage full of people, one of whom, I would have voted for over Hillary. Second, so you are telling us your choice was a lying, cheating, womanizing, dirty, shady businessman who is renowned for being a jerk? And his good point was not being Hillary? No, that does not make you a KGB agent, nor have I ever said so. But is does make you something….

There is a difference here.

You never caught Hillary on anything except that you do like her values. No crimes, always absolved in any investigation. That's your dirt.

Time will tell for Don. If he resembles the people he surrounds himself with, we have a record number of indictments, jail time, and dishonorable resignations. It’s becoming common in this administration to resign before the FBI knocks. Twice in the last couple of weeks. Time will tell for Don, but if he resembles his business talents, he’s defrauded Trump University students, used charity monies to buy off politicians, buy personal art, fix up his hotels, and buy Don Jr a Boy Scout membership, teamed with Russians, probably laundered money investments, to grow his empire, went bankrupt 4 times stiffing many hard working Americans in the process as well as your tax dollars to bail him out, just to mention a few recorded dirty deeds. Whatever. Just a few shady dealings are A-OK for you vote, right?

“People wanted change and Hillary would have just been the status quo” About the only thing you and I can agree on… OK comrade?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall

skippy skippy
Dec '18

Stock market down over 17%.
Auto sales grinding down.
Real Estate slowing,
Debt up over $1.7 TRILLION
Is this tRUMP’S economy yet?
( maybe tRUMPETEERS can get in their “way back” machine and blame it on ...er...Horace Harding?...
Eisenhower?...)
PICK A NAME, ANY NAME...

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

I vote skippys best political post for 2018. Hate the wall, love the wall, everyone loves go fund me !

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

I wonder if this will work... Chuck E Cheese and Pelosi will probably try to do something to prevent this money from going to the wall...

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Did someone steal met’s trumpy bear? Seems to be grumpy bear ;-)

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

It’s growing about 100k every 10 minutes

Skippy Skippy
Dec '18

It's gone up like $300K in an hour! I think that says enough. People want it.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

@Skippy ... Thank you ... For those who want to buy a wall ... You can hand over your own money and keep your hands off mine !!!... those who don't want a wall keep calling and writing the only Political party with any Common Sense ... and who is in control of the house ... Nancy wont give #1 cent to the wall ... I suggest for border security ... have the Military watch it with drones ... I wall will never stop the issue ... these people are trying to leave hell to get to heaven ... and we are trying to stop them from getting to heaven ... we are one screwed up Christian nation ... We will pay for this badly from the old fashion way (Karma) ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
Dec '18

Hillary lost because she did not campaign in the fly over states and lost union support in manufacturing industries. The voting public felt the economy was rigged against them

Skippy Skippy
Dec '18

LibertyThinker I could come up with a lot of other more useless things our money go to. A wall isn't one of them. Who's stopping these people from coming? Go to a port of entry and apply for asylum. We're trying to keep out the people who are legitimately trying to sneak in.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Pelosi says the Wall is immoral but offer 1.3 billion for a border fence. I guess a fence is moral.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/pelosi-schumer-to-meet-with-trump-offer-13-billion-for-border-as-shutdown-looms/2018/12/10/036a54a4-fca3-11e8-ad40-cdfd0e0dd65a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ead2295915d7

kb2755 kb2755
Dec '18

The gofundme has gone up like a million bucks since Skippy posted it. It's getting more and more traction.

kb2755 yea that's the party of common sense that LibertyThinker speaks of.... A wall and fence are the same thing. A barrier to keep people out. The difference is it's harder to climb a wall.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Muttsman- you pledging your hard earned money on the go fund me page for the wall?
That’s what I call a real patriot.
How many cans you have to pick up on the side of the road to make a dollar??

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

"Is this tRUMP’S economy yet?"


Of course not... this is still "the crappy economy and mess that Obama left"... for at least the next 2 years.... remember, was all "Bush's fault" Obama's entire first term LOL


As for Syria, you dems are ecstatic we pulled our troops out, right? I mean, that's one of your party platforms right? "Bring the troops home"? Well, one engagement down.....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

I just wonder what will happen when they give Trump the money. Maybe he can start a Trump Wall Foundation.....

Will we get a tax break for this? I mean if you give money, is it charity? Deductible?

If we gofund this wall, can we get a tax cut since the gubermint don’t have to budget it?

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Yes I will be donating. Don't need to pick up cans. I have a real job. 1955 called they want their joke back...

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

"No, Hillary lost because Don cheated. If he had told the truth, he would have lost."


Hillary and the DNC paid for the Steele Dossier ... planning to CONTEST THE ELECTION RESULTS if she lost (interesting, since she tried to get Trump to say HE would accept the election results, when she was planning to NEVER accept them)

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/12/christopher-steele-hillary-clinton-was-preparing-t/

BTW she lost because she's an unlikable shrew, a lying sack of crap, no one showed up at her rallies. America has had enough of the Clinton legacy.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Shut it down.

You broke it, you own it.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

We've come a long way from, "We're gonna build the wall and Mexico is gonna pay for it", all the way to, "We're gonna build the wall and only Trump supporters have to pay for it!"

Reasonable Reasonable
Dec '18

We don’t need no stinkin wall. We catch 10 terrorists a day, says Turnip. That’s 3,650 a year. Over the last ten years, that’s 36,500 terrorists. See, without a wall, we will get rid of more terrorists than we do with all our military in all those countries with all those expensive smart bombs and drones. Without the wall, they will keep coming to us!

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Technically Mexico is paying by the new trade agreement. Problem is the liberal obstructers will never re-route that savings to build it.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

You guys are funny though. I don't see any complaints about sending troops all over the world to protect other nations, but when it comes to our own country you don't care who comes in and causes problems.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/20/california-sanctuary-law-terror/

You're ok with guys like this? This isn't about keeping people out who want to work. There's legal ways of doing that.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

"Technically Mexico is paying by the new trade agreement. Problem is the liberal obstructers will never re-route that savings to build it."

Okay so then technically they aren't paying for it. It is literally going on your January credit card statement lol

Reasonable Reasonable
Dec '18

If the government shuts down, will Trump and Melania have to fly Spirit Air to Mar-A-Lago for Christmas?

ianimal ianimal
Dec '18

Technically yes it is going on my credit card, but if Americans manage to come up with the money by donating it, Pelosi and Schumer look like morons. It shows they're purposely not doing what they were voted in to do, which is listen to the will of the people. And guess what, half of America wants the wall.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Sources please - which half of America wants that wall? How many millions have contributed to the go fund me fund? Half of America?
I donate to charities that help humans - children - the starving - people in godawful places like Yemen - this wall thing is just a sin................

4catmom 4catmom
Dec '18

The half that voted for him....

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Wow, did Mattis just leave? Who put coal in his stockings? Any generals left?

I just want to see Met’s math on how Mexico is paying for the wall via profits from NAFTA 1.1? Can’t back your spin, can you!

He can’t even get his Congress to pass it.

Shut it down.

Troops; I said just a few posts ago; bring them all home.

You Nationalists, like Mets, are so confused.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

People get old and retire SD who knows...

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/3/17930092/usmca-nafta-trump-trade-deal-explained

It's not in place yet, but where do you see where it doesn't benefit us financially over NAFTA? So if that were in place as we speak, it would be like Mexico handing us money. Again, no one believed Mexico was going to write a check. LOL... Common sense would tell you the money would come from other avenues. Of course Chuck E Cheese won't approve using funds like that...

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

this wall thing is just a sin................Coming from someone who lives in a gated community. The epitome of hypocrisy.

auntiel auntiel
Dec '18

Mets; we already have nafta 1.0, so does Trumps nafta 1.1 cover all of that revenue plus the entire wall?

Its pretty simple math; you must have seen the numbers before your critical thinking would allow you to make such a grandiose claim. Just thinking openly.....

Mattis left a letter. He’s pretty clear where he and your King disagree to the point Mattis no longer can work here no more. But sure, keep covering for the obvious but I think the FU, I quit is pretty clear to a critical thinker.

Mueller could release report by February

Whitaker asks Ethics should he recuse from Muller. They say “yupper, you recused”. He creates top secret advisory group of the unnamed and unknown who say “no recuse, you be good to go.” Do I smell the Constitution burning. Is the Iron Curtain more transparent.

As Trump announced he will shut it down, the stock market dropped and dropped..... Darrin can’t drink beer now while thinking nice thoughts about his tax cuts and 401k; can’t afford it anymore. Its now a 201k.

We are in crazyland. We are in Trumplemania.

I am Spartacus.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Politics have always divided people to a level. This thread certainly shows how divided we have become to the level where we have stopped to being just outright nasty.....and I am not blaming either side. I see it on both. We should have different opinions and allow people to have there own. If you want to fund the wall be my guest. I won't be.......I don't believe in it. That is my opinion, I own it, and I hope that people can just understand that is how I feel instead if calling me names. I support the ban on bump stocks from this administration.....once again my opinion and probably not a popular one here. I believe we should bring troops home if and when we can and not announce it on Twitter, but that is also my opinion. I say all this because I feel like what could have been a good thread on people's opinion on current events seemed to turn into a war. We can educate on our points of view without being cruel to one another......at least I still hold onto that hope.

Mel81 Mel81
Dec '18

Well the house passed border wall funding. Of course it’ll fail in the Senate because you need 60 votes and there aren’t 60 republicans.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

+1000 auntiel! Typical liberal BS. Do as I say, not as I do.


"I am Spartacus."


Oh man, that's never gonna' get old ROFLMAO.


So how about it Trump haters? You wanted to bring the troops home, right? Trump gets credit for bringing some home right? Right?

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

"Mueller could release report by February"


LOL now it's february? I thought it was coming "right after the election"? Hmm....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Meanwhile California's Sanctuary Law prevents ICE from arresting a twice deported illegal. He gets out and goes on to commit numerous crimes and kill one and possibly 2 people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/20/after-shooting-suspects-reign-terror-california-sheriff-blames-states-sanctuary-law/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2ec86380f652

kb2755 kb2755
Dec '18

Sounds like ICE was negligent in not obtaining an arrest warrant from a federal judge. Are they claiming ignorance of California law? Was the CA law written because they want to protect illegal immigrants or because they're tired of blowing their budget on detaining people accused of federal crimes without being reimbursed by the federal government for the cost of detaining those people? Does the federal arrest warrant legally make the Fed responsible for the local/state expenses? Just asking... I really don't know the motivation.

ianimal ianimal
Dec '18

Iman, same thing that happened in NJ. Plenty of blame and politics, both sides.

Mets, still waiting for those numbers to support the results of that critical thinking. Show us how Mexico is paying for the wall.

No one said after the election for the report. Trumpian wishful thinking. And February is a “could be,” heh, heh, heh.

Come January, Trimp’s taxes will be requested by House Ways and Means, heh, heh, again.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

I can't give you numbers when it hasn't been approved by congress yet. If passed it looks like it would benefit us. So indirectly Mexico would be paying for the wall.

Are you guys kidding me? How long do you think people are held for misdemeanors? He probably was out in a 24 hour period and they had no time to get a federal judges approval.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

So this is what I find comical with you liberals... You're ok with paying out of your pocket towards illegals who are here which is in excess of $100 billion a year, but oppose $5 billion this coming year for the start of a wall or structure that makes it harder for them to come in. Your taxes for schools keep going up because illegal children continue to enroll here. Meanwhile their parents work under the table and don't pay income taxes. Your logic here is mind blowing. I've seen border agents come on TV saying we need this, but you listen to Chuck E Cheese who doesn't know WTF he is talking about.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Met's, I commend you for your honesty, but honestly, are you really claiming you're an open minded, critical thinker? This thought is a terrible example of that.

Let's see if we can figure out the foundation of your assumption, the root cause as JIT loves to determine: "I often stated, “One way or the other, Mexico is going to pay for the Wall.” This has never changed. Our new deal with Mexico (and Canada), the USMCA, is so much better than the old, very costly & anti-USA NAFTA deal, that just by the money we save, MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL!" Donald J. Trump.

Everyone who has reiterated this is down stream from this initial claim.

First - this law has not been passed by Congress, probably will pass given it is really just Nafta 1.1, but won't come to a vote until next year. You got squat right now.

Second - this law is really Nafta 1.1: there are NO PROVISIONS for Mexico to pay for the wall in the law. There are no tariffs for the wall, there are no tariffs. There is no diversions of funds to the wall.

Third -- so IF you want to say "we be making such a great deal, the profits will cover the wall," that's good, but it's a blue sky lie with zero facts and foundation. To do this, first you have to subtract any revenues that the existing Nafta 1.0 would have brought in and ONLY include the upside from Trump's Nafta 1.1. There are zero estimates for that, so essentially you are putting your finger in the air and pulling down a number: $25B I think it what you need.

Actually, you might have better luck with telling us Canada will pay for the Mexican wall; their upside potential from the deal is higher.

So, Trump's reach for this is a lie without even an estimate to support said lie.

Fifth: if Trump does not remove tariffs on Mexico and Canada, he probably will gather $5B in tariff taxes in 2018, theoretically $25B in five years. However, who paid for these tariffs? Not just Mexico and Canada, but also US suppliers, and yes, you and I --- the consumers.

Sixth: "the money we will save." No one has a clue what the f Trump means by this. What are we saving? Who is we?

Trump, like Mets, has not defined his math or whether he chooses blue sky door number 4 or number 5. If he walks through Door number 5, it's gonna get tossed back as the wall is being paid for by the American consumer via taxation without representation tariff taxes enacted, not by Congress under the Constitution, but Trump via his Executive and King-like powers. Legal but sleazy --- just your new style.

Bottom line: you made a claim without foundation and can't even explain the process, much less the numbers. Critical thinking my sweet patooties.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Can anyone name any responsible, qualified, senior member of Trump's administration now that Mattis/Kelly/McGahn's/Sessions/McMaster/Tillerson and 60% of the senior staff has been replaced?

"Is there anybody qualified out there?" apologies to Pink Floyd.....

But for posterity, here's where they all ended up: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-former-officials-current-jobs-2018-3

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Perhaps a bit more significant right now? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/us/politics/letter-jim-mattis-trump.html

4catmom 4catmom
Dec '18

Well, looks like Mattis is leaving over the US pulling out of Syria. I think everyone (even the left) agreed he was a good choice for SecDef, but apparently he wants to keep fighting, while Trump said he wanted to bring our people home. so Trump is making good on the promise, pulling us out of Syria, bringing people home, Mattis doesn't agree, and that's fine...

...but I haven't heard any lefties here praise Trump on doing something EVEN THEY wanted done. Anyone brave enough to be the first to praise Trump? It's ok if you throw up in your mouth a little, but credit where credit is due.... RIGHT?

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

Things seem to be getting more autocratic by the day.


Let's be clear: I am all for bringing our kids home.

I am not as clear about ceding Syria to Assad, Putin, and Iran with a possible resurgence by ISIS. How many gifts are we giving Putin this Christmas? Giving him countries, dropping sanctions, being soft on Ukraine and the recent Russian naval attack, and more, the Russian Ambassador tweeted: "The US decision to pull its troops from #Syria creates good prospects for a political solution in that Arab country. " Guess they have a solution......

I am clear about stopping Russian aggression which has been on the uptick well before Trump but escalating and even being supported by Trump.

I am certainly not clear about running out on the Syrian rebels, Kurds and Christians in the country. The Kurds will fare badly as both Syria and Turkey pound the xyz out of them. Assad and Russia will crush the Syrian rebels. And once again, no one can trust the US to be there until the job is done.

I am not as clear about leaving Afghanistan although after 17 years, not sure we can go any more good or damage here. Actually not sure of Trump's plan which is probably the same position our President is in.

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/19/678254016/after-u-s-troops-leave-syria-what-happens-next

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

“Things seem to be getting more autocratic by the day.”

Is that surprising? The Executive branch has been moving in that direction for decades while Congress and Judicial look the other way. Why it’s a concern now? Is it just Trump or are folks finally realizing that too much power has been given to the Executive branch?

justintime justintime
Dec '18

So JIT still going with "more of the same, being happening for decades."

Somehow, in your search for the root cause of the storm in the past, you missed the current tsunami of Constitutional conflict against the rule of law that is crashing on your beach.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

It was a bad campaign promise to take us out of Syria. trump has made a huge mistake removing our troops from Syria. Everyone in our military leadership and state dept knows this is wrong. trump is handing over American influence, presence and power to his friends in Russia who will benefit immensely from this moronic move. Maybe he acts unknowingly but that is the end result. Leaving Syria will also further alienate our allies and friends and without our protection doom the Kurds. We have trump a man without any military or meaningful international experience changing policies with implications he does not understand. Sadly the only people who could prevent trump from his stupidity Tillerson, Kelly and now Mattis have left.


It's especially alarming when he acts suddenly, without warning, catching friends, allies, and his own people, by surprise. What's next?


Mets, These are the kind of things that brought them here:

https://i.warosu.org/data/biz/img/0112/11/1537922300358.jpg

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

"Well, looks like Mattis is leaving over the US pulling out of Syria."

When you are a hammer everything looks like a nail.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

What's next? More craziness. I believe the bind Trump is in is that even if he "deals" his way out of Federal issues and impeachment, the NYS, MD, and DC charges/investigations still will be progressing and may not be deal-able in a Federal package.

He has stayed tool long at the fair.

Right now he appears to be paying his Putin bill or at least making three favorable decisions, or inactions, to Vlad.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

17 years in Afghanistan. Think about that. What more could possibly be accomplished? We've had all that time to help them build a country that can protect itself from terrorists. If it hasn't been done, then the mission is a failure. What are we talking about in Syria? 2,000 troops? As if losing such a small force is really going to turn the tide to the other side. We can still supply them arms.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Mets- your thinking

"Your taxes for schools keep going up because illegal children continue to enroll here."

Real reason:
https://patch.com/new-jersey/pointpleasant/new-jerseys-10-000-highest-paid-teachers-2018

Plus the 80 billion debt that exists due to taxpayers not paying, which, by the way, is estimating much higher now- plus the kicker- with all of that money invested in the stock market-which is plummeting-no returns for that pension= even more debt that taxpayers owe.

I have a friend who works for a major corporation in NJ- her retirement plan, company contributes 5% to her 401k- if she puts 1/3 of her salary in it, the max 25k (cannot afford to do, most people cannot) her corporate contribution for the entire year is 1,250.00, in ten years 12k, in 20 years enough to buy a compact car, in 30 years enough to buy a small SUV. Granted if invested it would grow to more, but with risk. Compare this to a guaranteed pension with health insurance.

But yes, Mets, illegals do cost some money and tax dollars. But restaurants love them, construction companies love them, your small businesses that ask for support from the public love them, and big corporations use and love them as well (hire low cost subcontracting companies to launder the crime and protect themselves).

Remember this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYvtvcBKgIQ

Who do you think built many of these homes cheaply for contractors?
Personally I'm fine with building the wall-or not building the wall, I'm not for or against it either way. But one thing I know for sure, is that illegals came here because they were wanted by American businesses and their greed. It's quite hypocritical to use someone, then claim they are bad and want a wall to keep them out when they are done with them.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

Give me a break Mets.... You do know we have smart bombs, drones, and aereoplanes…..Manpower don't mean that much when you rule the skys with death from above..... Just makes complete capitulation difficult.

Afghanistan --- I hear you, but don't be naïve. We don't know the reason we are still there OR what the effect of our leaving will be.

Just screaming "mission accomplished" is a fool's message. Accepting it is worse.

So, IMO, pulling out of Syria is great; doing it Trumpian will kill thousands. Kurds, Christians, and Syrian Rebels (who we used to support). I hold judgement on the Afghan decision because I just don't know.. Based on Syria, I am leery of Trump's judgement in these matters. And certainly you have not offered anything compelling.

What about Iraq?

When we leave Syria and Afghanistan, will we stay in Somalia? Kuwait, Djibouti, Cuba, Qatar (Yemen). 200,000 kids in 177 countries ---- is there a plan?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Wow, if it's Friday, it's Mueller time seems to ring hollow today. Even if he does something it will pale by comparison to OTN (other Trumpian news.). The man can certainly fill the airwaves. Miss the quiet holidays of No Drama Obama.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

I agree it isn't just illegals that drive up the costs. But again, over $100 billion a year just on them. And people are worried about 5.... It's a drop in the bucket.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

trumps decision on Syria and possibly pulling out of Afghanistan has all sought's of geo political ramifications that will hand over those regions to Russia and Iran. The Saudi's are screwed. Turkey will work something out with Russia destroying NATO'S southern flank. Pakistan has already moved under the Chinese orbit. The Taliban will take over Afghanistan taking us back to before 9/11 when it was ruled by terrorists. The immediate future will be less safe than it has ever been. The current situation is made worse by our recognizing Jerulsalem as the Israeli capital several months ago. Our military and state dept knows trump is a disaster and look to them to rein him in politely and not publicly at first. Then Congress will act in a bipartisan way to prevent further damage. Just look at recent comments by leading republicans criticizing trump and his moronic actions.


dodgeball, funny thing is I know a few of the names on that list, and while I cannot comment on all of them, I do know a few of them and they are not actually teachers, and are instead principals and other admin....so that list titled The 10,000 NJ Teachers Who Make $98K Or More In 2018 is extremely misconstrued.

Darrin Darrin
Dec '18

He shouldn’t have the tools available to him to effect his desires. That’s what I meant by this has been going on for decades: The President should control enforcement of laws enacted by Congress. All of his powers above and beyond that are what would let him achieve an autocratic role.

We allowed Trump to happen by going along with a duopoly who’s sole intent is entrenched power.

justintime justintime
Dec '18

Darrin,
Sure- I believe you.
Does not change other facts. We are approaching the coffin corner in NJ.
Heavy debt to retirees. Already high taxes. Declining stock market.
The locusts keep chewing away with nothing to stop them.
Grab your ankles cause it's coming.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

Trump withdrawing troops: We will need those men soon here in NJ to knock open doors to find hidden bump stocks and 11+ round magazines that with the stroke of a pen became felony property.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

"We allowed Trump to happen by going along with a duopoly who’s sole intent is entrenched power." I can not fathom what you actually mean by this much less any supporting facts to this concept. I mean I can swallow entrenched power, survivable power, expanding power ------ that's the human condition, pretty normal ways to survive and thrive. But I don't have a clue why the duopoly has anything specific to do with this beyond the fact that "sole intent is entrenched power" pervades almost any human organization you can find. Not right, but human, and needs to always be monitored, held in check, in that like any force, it will come and go over time.

Ask yourself --- when Jerry solves MD, will the organization go away OR will it morph itself into something else to retain entrenched power? Morph away Merrill, morph away ---- it's called being human.

DBall, can't quite tell where you're coming from on so many posts, but that last one on the soldiers returns was very funny: IMO. :>)

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

"Miss the quiet holidays of No Drama Obama"


I thank the good lord every day for Barrack Hussein Obama. If he had't paved the way we would have never had Donalld Trump as our president.

Thanks Barry O !! It's your best accomplishment. Good work man.

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Metsman you do not understand the geo political reality going on in the mid east today and what the implications will be going forward. These trump decisions are some of the reasons Tillerson who called trump a moron, Kelly and now Mattis have left trump's team. Hopefully the republicans can rein in trump before he does more damage. Frankly Pence is staying low and being very quiet because even he knows trump's days may be numbered and he wants to be President. trump is a stupid embarrassment who has angered our allies and friends while creating so much risk and uncertainty that the stock market has wiped out all the gains of 2018.


So what are we supposed to do keep troops over there for decades.... You're not going to kill all of them ever.... At most there should be a small amount of military that consults with those countries troops. Were you this outraged when Obama pulled us out of Iraq?! The selective outrage by some people is some kind of mental illness... It's comical. Worst case scenario if things escalate you send some troops back.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

What's funny is Bush started these wars in response to 9/11. Instead of fortifying our own country we send thousands of troops over to their deaths in the past 17 years. We never did anything about our flawed immigration system and weak southern border where anyone can get in. Border agents caught some Chinese guys the other day.

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/chinese-nationals-smuggled

If the Chinese are getting in, how do we know ISIS doesn't already have a foothold in here waiting to plot the next attack... You're gonna blame withdrawing from foreign soil as the reason someone gets in on our soil to kill? Cmon...

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

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4catmom 4catmom
Dec '18

Tell that to our government who puts illegals ahead of citizens... Imagine what that $100+ billion a year could do for the aforementioned things...

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

But if we did that we would not be creating a class with complete reliance on the government who votes blue duh

Skippy Skippy
Dec '18

Who's to say that those who have donated to the wall don't donate to veterans or the homeless and/or other needy people in this country as opposed to say...Yemen? From behind the walls of their gated community. And wish to help out those in need in the U.S. putting our own first!


"What's funny is Bush started these wars in response to 9/11." I believe Syria was Obama, and like 2015....

"Border agents caught some Chinese guys the other day." So tell us how your WALL would have stopped this?

"If the Chinese are getting in, how do we know ISIS doesn't already have a foothold in here waiting to plot the next attack.." Can you know this ever? You are asking a question where the answer will ALWAYS be, I don't know, could be.

Currently we nab 10 terrorists a day crossing the border, that's 3,650 a year, 36,000 every 10 years. We have NO PROOF of anyone ever getting through this border. Based on those results, is terrorism a good reason to build this wall? Just saying. Those are Turnips own numbers, not mine.

You know Trump is a liar. You keep spewing his lies without even checking, must less sourcing your ridiculous claims. “Illegal immigration costs our country more than $100 billion every single year,” Trump has said over and over.

So, where does the number come from: FAIR and they suck. http://checkyourfact.com/2018/11/11/fact-check-illegal-immigration-cost-100-billion/

I mean, you can trust Brad...…

But get some fair-er assessments, or a consensus, or anything beyond the research of an alt right racist white supremacy think tank. "The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) currently classifies FAIR as a hate group, citing among other things the organization's anti-Latino and anti-Catholic attitudes, its acceptance of $1.2 million from a racist foundation, the Pioneer Fund, its hiring as key officials men who also joined white supremacist groups, having board members who also write regularly for hate publications, its promotion of racist conspiracy theories, and the white supremacist beliefs of its founder." WIKI.

Sure, that's the SPLC and they are black so you probably don't trust them. The fact that their facts are correct and on the public record notwithstanding.

Somewhere between FAIR and SPLC is the truth, but it's not $100B per year. Hint: if Trump says it, there's a high percentage probability is a lie, based on historical evidence, that is.

I don't mind you sourcing Trump, FAIR, or anyone else, but you may want to second-source the crap you post when it comes from orgs like FAIR or the mouth of the Don.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Dec '18

Seems pretty clear that some folks buy the propaganda hook, one and sinker. But whose propaganda do they buy? Hmmmm

justintime justintime
Dec '18

I dunno. Whose did you say you bought? Ummmm.

In my case, most of my opinions are based on facts, the facts are mostly sourced.

You can discuss, differ on the opinions, don’t even need facts there, but they help. You can contest the sources, contest the facts via presentation of contrasting facts, or you can hmmmmmm. Yeah, I thought so.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

"Who's to say that those who have donated to the wall don't donate to veterans or the homeless and/or other needy people in this country"


I'll take "straw man and false dilemma logical fallacies" for $100 Alex.

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Dec '18

SD funding doesn't just include the wall, it includes sensors and manpower. Now how is that not efficient? You act like it'll just be a wall and nothing else.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Since when is the Southern Poverty Law Center a black organization? It was founded by two white guys.

kb2755 kb2755
Dec '18

Kb (kidding, it was bad joke all round. Sorry)

Mets; not sure what you ate responding to.

But who knows what Trump’s border security, border wall, border collie, whatever is. There is no plan, there is no total funding estimate, no one knows how long it is. There’s just, we gotta have a wall, Mexico will pay, rapists/terrorists/murderers/slavers/druggies/entitlement chasers oh my....so give me $5b even though you don’t know what you’re buying or what the total cost is.

Don’t you get tired of believing in a liar? Like Mexico will pay for it via Trumpianafta 1.1 when Trump can’t show you even an estimate. Why do you accept such hogwash or at least unsubstantiated claims.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Yeah what did $150 billion to Iran buy us SD? But you're ok with that... You just hate for the sake of hating it really is pathetic.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

My sides are hurting I’m laughing so hard
Talk about trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.
Chalk up another major blunder by the “ best” negotiator with the “ best” people
Stumblin’ Bumblin’ crumblin’ dork.
Has no self control and now is losing control of the house as well as his own “party”.
Fat man finding out the hard way that DC ain’t no lower east side planning board meeting.
Shove the wall up his A double S- then stick 5 billion on the resolution for the “ best” healthcare the gop is planning(?)

Stymie Stymie
Dec '18

Beyond false equivalancy, what does that have to do with the Syrian situation.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Jono,

"Metsman you do not understand the geo political reality going on in the mid east today and what the implications will be going forward."

Let them all fight it out over there, not our problem, right?
Thanks to fracking, don't we have enough gas and oil now- that's what the Prez says.
Drill, drill, drill, club a seal and drill through it's head if necessary. Long as the 90 lb woman gets to drive her new Tahoe around town as it makes her feel "safer" driving.
Supposedly the USA is now the #1 producer of oil and natural gas.
And if I am going to buy gas from a Middle Eastern or an Arab, why should I care which one sells it to me- and I don't. Just pump the crap in my car, let me have my cheesesteak and lipitor so I can go home and hide my bump stocks and magazines.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

What a load of donkeydust

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

"Who's to say that those who have donated to the wall don't donate to veterans or the homeless and/or other needy people in this country . . ."

As it happens, a TRIPLE-AMPUTEE DISABLED VETERAN has apparently raised millions in privately donated funds, to build a border wall.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/21/us/gofundme-wall-border-border-mexico.html

JerseyWolf JerseyWolf
Dec '18

“I don't mind you sourcing Trump, FAIR, or anyone else, but you may want to second-source the crap you post when it comes from orgs like FAIR or the mouth of the Don.”

So folks have to post based on your preferences, only about what you mind them saying? Nice ego you got going there!

Btw, the fact check article about the FAIR data, that *you* posted, *clearly* said that the numbers were unsubstantiated, yet their numbers are crap because you prefer someone else’s unsubstantiated numbers over theirs? (The article also clearly states that every report on the subject is based on assumptions of how best to estimate the numbers).

So here we are again: you may be right, may be wrong, but always speculating based on someone else’s work.

From Wikipedia, confirmation bias described below. Kindly read and note any similarities ;-)

“Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias,[Note 1] is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses.[1] It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. Confirmation bias is a variation of the more general tendency of apophenia.

People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).“

An interesting side note popped up there, see this link. I think you can relate to this (Russia Russia Russia) as well ;-)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

justintime justintime
Dec '18

“trumps decision on Syria and possibly pulling out of Afghanistan has all sought's of geo political ramifications that will hand over those regions to Russia and Iran.”

ISIS is effectively out of Syria (everyone acknowledges that ISIS controls 1% or less of Syria). We had justified our entanglement there as needing to remove the ISIS threat. The threat is gone, so other than for “Imperial” reasons why should we stay?

justintime justintime
Dec '18

Mental retard Trump did not consult his military advisors. This blowhard "knows" more than everyone else...


Re: Current Events Thread

Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Healthy New Year and remember this as you travel through the forum- something I will try to embrace in the new year

4catmom 4catmom
Dec '18

JIT; if you change my “may want to” to your “have to,” you might have a point. But I did not say that, you did and so, in this case, your point is moot.

But if you equate open mindedness with listening to racists, white nationalists, lying autocrats, and the like, I am sorry, but I will pass. You can support them, you can listen to them, I will not.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

nationalism noun
na·​tion·​al·​ism | \ˈnash-nə-ˌli-zəm, ˈna-shə-nə-ˌli-zəm\
Definition of nationalism
1 : loyalty and devotion to a nation
especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.

doesn't seem to bad to me regardless of your race.

skippy skippy
Dec '18

"You can support them, you can listen to them, I will not."


Of course not, you're too busy listening to leftist political spin, leftist MSM "journalism", spinning & lying democrat political leaders, not to mention your own confirmation bias which has at this point far outgrown the size of your arrogance.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

iJay:

“The threat is gone, so other than for “Imperial” reasons why should we stay?”

What say you? Just curious as to the justifications for another forever-occupation.

justintime justintime
Dec '18

I just mentioned "Imperial" as in empire reasoning. I have never agreed with such though. Just like this nation revolted against British occupation, nobody in fact likes to be occupied. Occupation never works unless you break the will of the occupied. If this does happen then the result is a pathetic broken people.


I like that Trump is bringing troops home.
Good job, Trump.
As far as Mattis, when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Let the middle east take care of itself.
America can frack for all of it's needs.
We are now the #1 producer in the world.

If some Arabs want to sell oil here, match the prices and sell.
I don't care if I use Saudi, Iran, Iraq, UAE, etc fuel. It all burns the same.
No reason I should care where the oil comes from.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

Something corporations and capitalists do not believe in, as it would not be in their best interests:


nationalism noun
na·​tion·​al·​ism | \ˈnash-nə-ˌli-zəm, ˈna-shə-nə-ˌli-zəm\
Definition of nationalism
1 : loyalty and devotion to a nation
especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.

doesn't seem to bad to me regardless of your race.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

So 4cat makes erroneous statements and then posts a meme about others being wrong. Typical pretentious hypocritical post from her behind her wall in her gated community.


JYM you have no idea....................

4catmom 4catmom
Dec '18

"I like that Trump is bringing troops home.
Good job, Trump.
As far as Mattis, when you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail."


Dude, you just did the BEST summary of the whole situation, in 3 sentences.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Dec '18

No. I have a lot of ideas, 4cat. And can also smell your BS through the screen.


Guys like Mattis thought it was a good idea to invade Iraq on BS intelligence. Now that region is more unstable. At least Sadam killed terrorists he got his hands on. So this notion that pulling out of places makes us unsafe is nonsense. We're unsafe when we have a joke of southern border and idiotic immigration policies.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

In business, we curtail arguing as it wastes company resources; i.e. labor hours used for personal rather than company strategic purposes. In leisure (as in this site) some balance should be used, which varies from person to person. These forums are more "free-form" IMHO.

Just read 4cats previous post. I am assuming she is referring to the border wall with Mexico. US citizens have a right to expect that their borders are respected and when not, enforced via various means including walls.

What about Zionists donating to Israel to build walls and repress the natives, i.e. Palestinians? Are these Zionists "good" people, IMHO NO, but those donating to a US border wall maybe YES...


I don't understand the liberals on here... what do you care if a wall gets put up? You do realize there's tons of useless spending by government.... This is actually something useful. We live 2,000 miles from the border. I'm sure people in Texas and other border states welcome a wall. Sit back and sip your cocoa and stop having a fit over something that makes no sense to have a fit over. If you divide $5 billion by 325 million Americans, it's like $15 a person. LOL... That is nothing....

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

"Just read 4cats previous post. I am assuming she is referring to the border wall with Mexico. US citizens have a right to expect that their borders are respected and when not, enforced via various means including walls."

Mexicans are capable of building walls, they have built plenty of them before:

https://i.warosu.org/data/biz/img/0112/11/1537922300358.jpg

dodgebaal dodgebaal
Dec '18

Its kind of like repealing your hated ObamaCare over 50 times and failing over 50 times, then taking it on as your first campaign promise to kill and replace but forgetting how to replace so you can’t kill, then campaigning on ObamaCare’s landmark “no preexisting conditions,” and then rejoicing when you finally kill it without a replacement.

See, it’s easy to understand.

It’s a symbol. It doesn’t make sense to build, the money doesn’t matter.

Of course, on a practical level, only a blithering idiot would give Donald J Trump $5B check without knowing either the plan OR the total price element. I mean that’s as stupid as donating to the Trump Foundation. That’s as stupid as pledging money to the Trump Inaugural Committee.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

How do you know there's no plan for the $5 billion? Do you have inside information? I think not... Building is what this guy is good at. That's what his private career was all about. What do you think all his building plans were done in crayon... You're ridiculous SD.

Metsman Metsman
Dec '18

"Of course not, you're too busy listening to leftist political spin, leftist MSM "journalism", spinning & lying democrat political leaders, not to mention your own confirmation bias which has at this point far outgrown the size of your arrogance."

+ 1 , yep to this, nailed it! It's the biggest blowhard on here who typically has the thinnest skin. And day after day he doesn't disappoint in this regard. Very sad,

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

Its government. They are supposed to be open and transparent.

I thought he was good at getting loans and going bankrupt.

Let me check that deficit and debt again. Right, highest ever.

You do know that 90% of the drugs come by sea and most illegals come through ports of entry, don’t you?

Why would you ever fork any money without a plan or a total cost estimate? And you have the nerve to say I’m ridiculous. You’re the one who blindly agrees to fork billions to Trump for the unknown. Even the Russians won’t do that deal.

You can’t even tell us how long a wall you’re building. You can’t tell us how tall. You can’t tell us where.

Give me my $5B or I’ll shuttler the government, wahhhh. We’re being overrun by rapsts murderers, terrorists, druggies, slavers, waaaaah. Flock American government workers, waaaah, I want my wall. Screw their Christmas, need wall, waaaah.

January is coming. I am Spartacus.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Dec '18

Not a single president has lowered the debt in how many years?

Wouldn't it be common sense that the debt would be the highest ever?

But for whatever reason this is all Trumps fault and you expect Trump to fix it like freaking magic or something all while you liberals give him a hard time about "being orange" and pray to put him is jail every single day for things that just do not exist.

Get real already, you guys are absolutely rediculous!

If the red people treated Obummer 1/16 as bad as you liberals treat Trump he would have quit his job and cried in a corner.

GIVE IT A BREAK ALREADY!!!!!! TWO YEARS you have been saying investigate....investigate...blah blah waaaa waaa and still nothing has been found with Trump........do this, do that, investigate anyone he ever talked to.....look under his mattress IT MUST BE THERE!!!! RUSSSSSSIIAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Liberals are making fools out of themselves and they don't even care!!!!!!

And you guys have the courage to say Trump cries......your kidding right? Look in a mirror!!!! Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones

Darrin Darrin
Dec '18

When Obama fired Mattis without even calling him, crickets from the media, nothing.

When Gates left the Obama administration, and wrote a book about the chaos there, again, crickets.

And as far as the shutdown, a friend who is affected, said she was happy. It's a paid vacation for them. Tell me when the shutdown really bothers you.

GreyHawk GreyHawk
Dec '18

What a nice Christmas gift this would be

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/12/22/mega-millions-drawing-christmas-day-321-million-jackpot/2400136002/

JrzyGirl88 JrzyGirl88
Dec '18

Re: Current Events Thread

"January is coming. I am Spartacus."

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 23rd

Re: Current Events Thread

Government Shutdown... It's a Christmas Miracle !!!!!

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 23rd

JR you mean like this guy?

My name is Spartacus - - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wIRVpDzaM8

Isn't Spartacus gay? (SD is claiming now to be gay? "I am Spartacus" , lol, lol, what a joke)

LMFAO


Re: Current Events Thread

"Isn't Spartacus gay? (SD is claiming now to be gay? "I am Spartacus" , lol, lol, what a joke)" And if I am gay, do you have a problem with that? Still laughing out loud, twice, about it?

And "Spartacus" was not known to be gay, however, there is a dubious scene with Tony Curtis in the Kirk Douglas movie that is often cut because of the "feelings" of people just like you who seem offended by the scene. Were you offended too?

Of course there's the Spartacus International Gay Guide, a travel guide to gay-favored locations, perhaps that's what you are referring to but having never read it, I am not aware. Perhaps you can share those reading experiences?

Thus the shout out in The Birdcage which you somehow found in your travels.....

But no, I will go with the traditional definition and description: "died 71 b.c., Thracian slave, gladiator, and insurrectionist." As such, and from the movie, at the point of their defeat, the Roman's (Trumpians to you), demand Spartacus. As Kirk is about to step forward, Tony jumps up and says: "I am Spartacus." Then one after another, the slaves repeat the phrase. They are all put to the cross, lining a Roman highway. His wife and child (hmmm, gay still?) survive being saved by a Roman Senator who commits suicide over Rome's tyranny.

"If God is the master of the universe, then what are we? The slaves of the universe? If so, let each man become proud Spartacus! " Mehmet Murat ildan

"I am Spartacus."

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 23rd

We need Presidents to fight for reform, but reform costs and everybody kicks the can down the road; this applies at the state level as we are well aware of. We don't need a 30 foot wall except for where the border is in towns where homes are on the border and they use the wall as a third wall for their outdoor kitchens. otherwise just 2 chain link fences, barbed wire, surveillance systems, drones, etc.


So what's that do cut the bill down to $3 billion. At any rate it's going to cost money. To fight over such a small amount of money in the overall federal budget for the year is insane and only a political maneuver. These Democrats are liars and there's plenty of video out there where they support similar things as Trump is trying to do. In the end they just don't want him to fulfill a campaign promise.


“When Obama fired Mattis without even calling him, crickets from the media, nothing.” First, Obama didn’t fire Mattis, he removed him. Mattis still had a job. Second, contrary to your thought, the press covered his removal, actually called it a firing, but it was covered. Do you want the links? The American Thinker and all the downstream erosion of that good story is probably what you referred to where the AT noted, “There was no talk of chaos or of the only adult in the room leaving,” which the downstream press spun into your spin.

Your point is spin, their point is correct. We didn’t get all jiggly when Obama fired a hawk with a 30-year hard-on for Iran. Nope, not a tear. So, why are we upset now? Not because we nailed a hawk, no, that’s not it. It’s because this loony hawk now seems the most stable guy in Trump’s stable full of misfits. A last general standing so to speak. Who’s next for Defense Secretary --- a Whitaker clone? Scaramangler type? Cohen, Ghouliani, or Manthefort look-alike…. Get the point --- the guy we didn’t’ get jiggly about because he’s a hawk now looks like a bigger-better-deal in the revolving door of a Trump Administration with it’s 60% turnover rate, boundless and endless scandals though out the Senior staff, and many departures for cause.
May you be born in interesting times.

“When Gates left the Obama administration, and wrote a book about the chaos there, again, crickets.” Not sure of the sequitur you’re looking for here. Gates is a criminal. Not sure of the equivalency in this one?

“And as far as the shutdown, a friend who is affected, said she was happy. It's a paid vacation for them. Tell me when the shutdown really bothers you.” It bothers me, you have been told.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 23rd

"otherwise just 2 chain link fences, barbed wire, surveillance systems, drones, etc."


And I think you will find those that want the wall agree. "The Wall" has been turned into, by those that oppose it, a huge expensive concrete structure, because it makes it easier to demonize it that way. But you will find with people who support "the wall", the terms "the wall" and "Absolute border security" are interchangeable. Don't care if it's a 30ft concrete wall, a double barbed-wire fence with drone surveillance, or what... just so long as it SECURES the border from illegal entry.

BTW... many big-name democrats were for FOR border security..."before they were against it." Pelosi, Schumer, Obama, to name a few.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 23rd

When would you, if you have a right mind, ever fork over $5B for something you don't have a clue what it is, how much it costs, how long it is, and what job are you expecting it to do.

What is the wall --- your last post says you don't have a clue

Where is the wall ---- 2,000 miles, something less, you don't have a clue

How much does it cost ---- of course, you don't have a clue......how could you....

How long is it ---- well, it's not everywhere..... wow, that's planning.... how many years you been lookin at this?

What success do you expect --- because "mission accomplished' doesn't work, even for Trump.

Did you give money to the Trump Foundation?
Did you donate to the Inauguration Fund?

They seemed like better Trump deals that this, and what happened to the cash?

Team Trump seems excellent at vanishing cash; this is where they have the most experience. Why continue down the path of paying up front without any plan whatsoever.

You can't even tell us how the $5B will be spent. It's a symbol, not a budget.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 23rd

To secure it even further add a mine field like in the Koreas DMZ LOL. I doubt people would want to come that bad to risk getting their lower half blown off...

5B, we waste more than that in grants to Israel et al every year in the Middle East and that is not even our soil! 5B on our soil, even without a plan, is better.


We spend more on sugar subsidies


Hey, as long as we spend sums like this elsewhere, just give it to me: Mr S.D. Wall, located at 666 My Urgullible Lane, SymbolicPoliticsforHicks, 60666.

Any denomination will do; I am not a racist. I am Spartacus. I may be gay. Ask GreyHawk, he's counting.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 23rd

What do you want a detailed list of what it’s all going to SD get a life...


Take the 5 billion from the pentagon defense fund, it is 1.3 trillion, and it just received a 160 billion dollar boost in 2018.
The wall is for defense anyway, is it not? Why does there need to be any additional money set aside? If this is for protection of our borders, then it is for defense. The money is already there.
Tell "Hammer Mattis" to take the money, buy some "slats" and go "Hammer" them into the ground using the Army Corps of Engineers.
No additional spending, happy Republicans. Security.
No problem.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 23rd

at least he's out of the closet now, that's a good thing, and he's self aware of his orientation , that's another good thing, nothing worng with Spartacus in the movie 'The Birdcage' being gay, nothing wrong with NJ Senator Spartacus being gay and there's certainly nothing wrong with SD being gay, it's all good. Hoping they all have a flamboyantly Merry Christmas,

Thank the good lord that President Trump is holding firm on the funding for the wall. He's compromised enough on this issue, its past time for the Democrats to come to the table in good faith,(as if they have any good faith, not sure that they do)


No, the military is not for defense against civilians.


Not using the military "against" anyone. The wall is to "defend" the country against "enemy combatants" which is what he is quoted as saying below. The military has the job of defending the country, so yes, that is where the funding should come from.




" As President Donald Trump returned to the theme of illegal immigration in recent days, he painted the southern border as an uncontrolled haven for “enemy combatants” pouring into the country"

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 23rd

Lions and tigers and bears, oh my......

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 23rd

"But you will find with people who support "the wall", the terms "the wall" and "Absolute border security" are interchangeable. Don't care if it's a 30ft concrete wall, a double barbed-wire fence with drone surveillance, or what..."

I would say there's at least one pretty important person who disagrees JR.

"Jeb bush just talked about my border proposal to build a "fence." It's not a fence, Jeb, it's a WALL, and there's a BIG difference!" I'm sure you can guess who tweeted that.

Reasonable Reasonable
December 23rd

Fact is no one knows what it is beyond a symbol and a request for $5B from a man who most would not lend 5-cents to. You don’t know:’

How high or long

The total cost

The expected effect or goal

You do know:

Most illegals cross at ports of entry so a wall seems superfluous

No illegals will work if e-verify is law of the land for all businesses, that’s 90% of the crossings so who needs a wall

Most drugs come by sea

The wall won’t stop criminals any more than you can stop them from getting guns once the get here.

The wall is a political symbol, a simple chant the Trumpets can rally round. There is no plan, no budget, no expected outcomes.

You can close the government, you can withhold paychecks at Christmas, but you can’t have your symbol.

I am Spartacus. I have friends. We are all Spartacus. In January, it all changes.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 24th

Don't be stupid, of course walls work. Just ask the Vatican if walls work, they know it for a fact because it is a fact.

The senseless, bloviated, opinionated, spin from the trump haters is beyond the pale.

What a bunch of nonsense they obsessively spew. Sad, very sad people. I'm not having none of it.


There is no wall on the northern border, yet I never hear about Canadians trying to rush into America....

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 24th

Prison walls/fences seem to work pretty well. The wall/fence around the White House.

Hey Spartacus- do you lock your doors at night? If so, why? I mean, the chances of anybody coming in meaning to do harm are astronomical, and locking your door would be very un-compassionate of you....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 24th

Again JR --- what is the plan? how high a wall? how long? how many do you expect it to stop? What is the wall -- one wall or two? will there be a "kill zone," mines, I mean what are you looking to build?

Is that too much to ask before forking over $5B? Wouldn't only a person of low mental abilities pay $5B for an unknown?

"We spend more on sugar subsidies" Yes, but I know what sugar is, who grows it, how much money each gets, and what the expected outcome of the expenditure is. Big difference versus The Trumpian Wall.

"What do you want a detailed list of what it’s all going to SD get a life..." hic, pour another one Lucille.

"Thank the good lord that President Trump is holding firm on the funding for the wall." If that was the case, wouldn't Mexico be paying for it? Seems to me he was a little flaccid on the payment premise from the beginning.

"He's compromised enough on this issue" Like when he lied and said Mexico would pay for it. Like when he lied about the caravan. Like he lied about Trumpinafta 1.1 paying for it,

"its past time for the Democrats to come to the table in good faith,(as if they have any good faith, not sure that they do)" Baloney. We are at the table, we made two proposals, you said wall or shut it down. Shut it down, you broke it, you own it. I am Spartacus. We are Spartacus. The insurrection begins 1/1/2019. Be there.

"Just ask the Vatican if walls work, they know it for a fact because it is a fact." Yes, and that might be important if The Trumpian Wall was the same general size as what you are talking about. Is it? Who's lookin "stupid," as you are so fond of calling others, now?

"Don't care if it's a 30ft concrete wall, a double barbed-wire fence with drone surveillance, or what... just so long as" I give Don $5B for something.....

"at least he's out of the closet now, that's a good thing, and he's self aware of his orientation , that's another good thing, nothing worng with Spartacus in the movie 'The Birdcage' being gay, nothing wrong with NJ Senator Spartacus being gay and there's certainly nothing wrong with SD being gay, it's all good. Hoping they all have a flamboyantly Merry Christmas" What is greyhawk's interest in determining whether or not someone is gay to the point of not only becoming fluent in gay culture but apparently having expert gaydar allowing him to ferret out his perceived sexual orientation in people who have not announced any sexual preference. Why does he have this interest? Or is it phobia? I mean if he keeps saying "but there's nothing wrong," why does he seemingly have to know and have developed all these methods for determination? He does need a wall.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 24th

Too many people losing too much money.
Warren County tRUMPeteers have have none , therefore no skin in the game .
These Losers risk nothing and think they’re entitled to let this macabre “ experiment “ continue.
They revel and justify the “Coward in Chief’s” stupidity and ineptitude- in fact, find much commonality with the Liar in Chief.
I’m sure others (Koch Bros., at al) feel differently.
Look for them to to begin to institute changes sooner rather than later.
I think the term often used “ it’s bad for business”.


Trump lies.

How much does he lie.

A lot....

So much that they created a new level: BOTTOMLESS PINOCCHIOS.

That's right kids. There were so many lies, told so many times, with so many Pinocchios, that we can focus on the long list of the cream of the crop. Or bottom of the manure pile, you be the judge. So here's the lies getting 3 or 4 Pinocchios by the Fact Checker that Trump, after the Fact Check, continues to spew 20 times or more. Or what HLers like to call: Metisms. JResults, or Skippydoodles.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/fact-checker-most-repeated-disinformation/?utm_term=.465dd05730f9

Try to refute those bald faced Trumpism lies.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 24th

at least you're out of the closet now, good.


Walls work, it's a fact, build the wall, it's a good thing, its just one part of border security but it is part.

This is the schumer shutdown without a doubt, Chuckie Cheese Schumer and the rest of the spineless dems (including those here on HL) are the ones who refuse to compromise on the wall.

Trump is right to stick to his commitment on this, period.

SD has completely lost all sense of right and wrong and is of no consequence in this discussion. Bloviating wildly with no governor on his spewed nonsense he has lost the debate. And he keeps losing it over and over the more desperate and unhinged he becomes .


up and working? really? after broken ribs in november and open chest surgery on Friday to remove malignant growths ? ruth bader ginsberg has lung cancer - - -
-------------

Supreme court spokesperson Kathy Arberg, said that Ginsburg remained in New York at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center on Sunday, as she recuperates from the cancer surgery.

AP says no information has been released on when Ginsburg might return home.

It was only on Friday that the famously durable 85-year-old US supreme court justice underwent surgery to remove two malignant growths in her left lung.

https://www.businessinsider.com/72-hours-after-surgery-for-lung-cancer-justice-ginsburg-is-back-at-work-2018-12


Another really bad day in the stock market. From Reuters:

"Stocks fell again at the open on Monday amid concern about slowing economic growth, the government shutdown and reports that Trump had discussed firing Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell."

Trump sees stock market rise as credit to him, but falls must be someone else's fault. His now treating this as a crisis seems to only be making it worse.


Merry Christmas, Greyhawk! Thank goodness for someone with some sanity on here. Little miss "Spartacus" never answered JR's question I notice. The very salient one about sleeping with doors locked and closed at night, just like the one who lives in a gated community.

All the liberals continue to attack Trump regardless of what happens, regardless of how vile any past president has been, regardless of how disgusting the democrats behave and then wonder why the Trump cabinet falls apart, the stock market does poorly etc. They attack Trump for the exact same things Obama, Clinton and Bush did and pretend like they never happened. such ignorance! As if this isn't the country we ALL live in and if the president and the economy fails, we all suffer.

Peace on earth, good will to sane men and women and children.


"They attack Trump for the exact same things Obama, Clinton and Bush did and pretend like they never happened. such ignorance!"

Merry Christmas.

It's all the same as it ever was. Just in reverse. All righty almighty then.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 25th

"Too many people losing too much money.
Warren County tRUMPeteers have have none , therefore no skin in the game .
These Losers risk nothing and think they’re entitled to let this macabre “ experiment “ continue."

I see Stymie assumes we're living off the government... Real nice. I'll let you know how my vacation in March goes. You know the one I'm actually paying for.


This is the Schumer shutdown without a doubt, Chuckie Cheese Schumer and the rest of the spineless Dems (including those here on HL) are the ones who refuse to compromise on the wall.


Re: Current Events Thread

Ah, Christmas, Current Events....ah....

As Trump's stock market fell off a cliff with the biggest collapse since 1929, Trump closed down the government sending the family to MaraLoser while he, alone, stayed at the WhiteHouse. No family, just Melania. To Trump, it was beginning to look a lot like Christmas: "I think it's a tremendous opportunity to buy," he said. "Really a great opportunity to buy."

Whatta ya all think ----- ready to buy? Maybe borrow on that tanked 401K to take advantage of Trump's Christmas Stock Sale? Must be Black Friday again!

"Many of those workers have said to me and communicated, stay out until you get the funding for the wall. These federal workers want the wall," Later, Trump announced he was going ahead and building 115 miles of TrumpWall in Texas. "I can't tell you when the government is going to be open. I can tell you it's not going to be open until we have a wall, a fence, whatever they would like to call it," Good luck building your wall without Congress...…

Meanwhile, if you call the Whitehouse, you get the message: "I'm sorry, we are not functioning right now" since there is no one home to answer the phone......

Trump opened the eyes of a child with his Christmas call, allowed since it was pre-funded, with his: ""Are you still a believer in Santa?," pause "Because at 7, it's marginal, right?"

Then it was on to rallying the troops, away from home, waiting for a warm Christmas fireside chat.

""Everybody hated Comey, they thought he did a horrible job. The Democrats hated him. They were calling for his resignation. They were calling for his firing,"

""It's a disgrace, what's happening in our country,"

"But other than that, I wish everybody a very merry Christmas."

Fa la la la la, la la la la...….

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 26th

Walls work, just ask Israel if walls work, they know for a fact that they work. They depend on them to help keep Israel a free and independent nation. Israel knows that country without secure borders in not a country.

Build the wall, it's a good thing.

The Schumer shutdown continues due to the Democrats not compromising on building a physical barrier on the border.


“Whatta ya all think ----- ready to buy?”

Actually yes.

I kinda hope it stays low for a while so I can load up at good prices next year.

I’ve got 25 years or so until retirement. What the prediction for the DOW by 2045? 100K?


"This is the Schumer shutdown without a doubt," because when Donald J. Trump gets on TV, says, “If we don’t get what we want, one way or the other, whether it’s through you, through military, through anything you want to call, I will shut down the government, I am proud to shut down the government for border security. … I will take the mantle,” Trump said. “I will be the one to shut it down.”

bwhaaaaaaat….. Trump lied? How could that be?

Greyhawk believes all Trump lies.....calls those who don't "spineless" and other names of the type that those without facts frequently use in their personal attack rants. Keep believing Hawk. Keep saying we "refuse to compromise on the wall." when it's your King that said: "If we don’t get what we want, one way or the other..... I will shut down the government."

Come January we will shut you down, shut you up, call you to account, and reveal your crimes.

I am Spartacus.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 26th

I don't know how liberals can be on board with doing nothing at the border. Whether you want to admit it or not, Americans are dying by doing nothing or keeping the status quo. You live in a bubble SD.


Let Pinocchio take 5 Billion out of his own profits. oh that's right, he won't show his taxes, whereas I read that he only profited a half million dollars in 1 year! what a great Accountant, and I read that his Acct.'s office (that he parted ways with previously) got raided too the way that his esquire Cohen's office got raided! will this daily Wag-the-Dog ever end? they're all going to jail or are there already. and will he?

and what about Mexico, Pinocchio?

Hackresident Hackresident
December 26th

I guess every billionaire belongs in jail according to your logic. All extremely wealthy look for loopholes.


The Schumer shutdown continues due to the Democrats not compromising on building a physical barrier on the border.


I think you liberals should more concerned with how Nancy Pelosi managed to amass a $200 million fortune being a career politician with less than a $200K per year salary...


"Walls work, just ask Israel if walls work," Israeli wall is 150 miles, religiously guarded and maintained and only part of the border security package. But it does work: for 150 miles.

You're willing to fork $5B on a concept, without a plan, with only a premise, without a clue as to the surround, maintenance, or operation. You will not compromise on your plan that is not a plan. We have made two offers, you didn't look.

We don't want "liberals can be on board with doing nothing at the border. Whether you want to admit it or not, Americans are dying by doing nothing or keeping the status quo. You live in a bubble SD." Again, you misinterpret. We are all for border security but not for a stupid, wasteful, political motivated dog whistle of your TrumpWall. Put e-verify in place, reduce problem to less than 10% of current. Can you make a 90% result on the TrumpWall -- without lying.....again?

You bow before your $10B King of the World and you tell us to chase the $200M woman in charge of the House of Representatives . Let's see you show us how you calculate the $200M since it looks to be yet another lie. Of course, it's from Mets.....again....another lie.....

Why do you feel the need to lie to make your points. Prove to us this is not a lie and you are not a liar.

Come on big guy.....do more than call names. Show us the money!

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 26th

Here you go assuming it's just a physical barrier SD. Nowhere have I seen or heard people saying that's all it is. It would obviously be a combination of that, technology, and manpower. That is what makes a wall or barrier effective. If you just put up a wall and no one is monitoring it, then of course it would be ineffective.


Pelosi's husband is the one with bucks (200 mil+) She was a bored poor little SF housewife who wanted to play politics years back - lucky us!


I read it was a 1000+ mile wall.

Remember, the Campaign promise time after time again, was, "and who's going to pay for The Wall?" "MEXICO is going to pay for The Wall".

Hackresident Hackresident
December 26th

Saudi’s have NO CLUE regarding tRUMP’s statement that they’re going to “ Rebuild” anything.
tRUMP just proclaimed he’s awarded a contract to build 150 miles of wall?
To whom?
Under what authority?
Where?

Face it- Coward In Chief is going Cray Cray.
Like a gambler doubling up a bet to “ win it back”
CHUMP’s lies getting grander and grander hoping to regain any semblance of credibility.
There will be none.
But there will be many, many minions ( like the mutt) that will now start to adjust their rhetoric down in an attempt to convert this tRUMP failure into a win ( ???)
We all know what the Liar in Chief promised-promised- promised.
A wall that MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR.
Well?????


Is that all you liberals got is that Mexico will pay for it... Obviously he never meant they'd hand over a check. I never thought that for a minute. I saw it as he'd find a way to get out of bad deals with Mexico which would in affect pay for it. In the end even if that happens, the Dems will block any attempt to use saved money. You guys are pretty funny though if you took all that literally.


"Here you go assuming it's just a physical barrier SD. Nowhere have I seen or heard people saying that's all it is. It would obviously be a combination of that, technology, and manpower. That is what makes a wall or barrier effective. If you just put up a wall and no one is monitoring it, then of course it would be ineffective." pssst, Met's knows a guy who knows a guy who thinks he knows what Trump means when he lies and says, "it's the greatest Wall in history and I knows walls."

You don't have a freakin clue what it is, where it is, how much it costs, how much it will cost to run --------+++ the only thing you know is "Waaaah, I want me a wall, give me $5B and I will give you something back and you will love it."

Still waiting for you to show us Pelosi's $200M. Who cares what her husband is worth, but it's certainly not $200M, Oldsam, but you can show us that too...… Fire away or go away with the lies.

6,000 lies that Mets totally believes. A baker's dozen he's told between 40 and 150 times even though they have been proven false. And Mets still believes.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 26th

He needs to win the re-election, and says b.s. that can't and won't happen (unfeasible and unrealistic) to get him there.

If he's not-re-elected, he has 100% chance of hitting the slammer where he deserves to be with all of his own Santa's Helpers (who are already slammed).

Hackresident Hackresident
December 26th

"Is that all you liberals got is that Mexico will pay for it... Obviously he never meant they'd hand over a check. I never thought that for a minute...…."

"You guys are pretty funny though if you took all that literally.:"

Only Mets has his head so far up Don's...….ideas.....that he can tell us what Trump actually means when he speaks.

No, no, what he means is that when Trump says someone will pay for it, Trump really means Trump will not pay for it. hahahahaha, Trump never pays for anything. He gets it the old fashioned Nationalist way, he "liberates" it. It's not robbery, it's not a lie, it's a social program. Trump calls it The Final Solution. Cool.

And now Trump is saying Saudi Arabia is going to pay to fix Syria. Mets, since you obviously are a Trump Whisperer, WTF does that mean? Please, we are so confused, tell us what does that mean (right after you clean up your other lies). And if Trump visits Erdogan in Turkey to thank him for his idea for the US to leave Syria so Erdogan can demolish the Kurds on his border, during that visit, will Trump visit the Saudi Consulate?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 26th

https://www.businessinsider.com/richest-members-of-congress-the-hill-2012-8#14-rep-diane-black-r-tenn-is-worth-248-million-2

She's at $26.4 million here.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/12/nancy-pelosi-husband-paul/

Here's her husbands stuff but they are unsure of his net worth. It could be upwards of $202 million.

Still for a congresswoman, how did she make $26.4 million? It sounds like that is her own money. She among others in government make their money off the backs of Americans. I'm more interested in how they acquire wealth like that than Trump's money. At least he has a company.

HR you want him in jail yet there's yet to be any evidence of a real crime taking place. You liberals need to take a deep breath and move on with your lives.


"The actual cost for the rest of the border wall (roughly 1,300 miles) could be as high as $16 million per mile, with a total price tag of $15 billion to $25 billion. Rosenblum said the $15 billion low-end estimate is "probably an underestimate," because the parts that have yet to be fenced are the most difficult — the most dense and arid. At $16 million per mile and with 1,300 miles to secure, the estimated cost would be $12 billion, and the price of private land acquisitions and maintenance of fencing could push that total cost higher."

He articulates so well: ""I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I'll build them very inexpensively — I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words."

No, I don't believe your 6,000+ lies. What tally number are we up to now? Most of us now are not gullible any more (I personally....never were).

Hackresident Hackresident
December 26th

SD if you actually watched his rallies where he spoke about the topic, he's the one who said how Mexico would pay for it. But since you get your spin from the liberal media of course you just look at it as a lie.


I think a liberals head must explode every 30 seconds... You can't just leave the border open. Why would you want people just walking in.... People live in Panther Valley for the specific reason that the public can't just drive through their neighborhood. But yet you're ok with anyone crossing our border. Such hypocrisy....


Really, none of these lies will be as damaging as the Mueller report; that and the Scammer’s tax returns.
Again- look for a “ health episode*” to force the Coward in Chief to resign before the end of his term.
He realizes he’s in way over his head and, true to form, will take the cowards way out.
Maybe chronic Bonespurs??
More likely an STD.
Isn’t it ironic that the Groper is attempting to nail shut the door of immigration- the very door that he
sneakily slid wife number 3 in under?


Then don't lie during the campaign and tell the truth (the full actual cost, miles of length of that big, tall, beautiful wall, the US to pay in reality, ETC.), and that it's not feasible to build a mighty-high wall and "wall in" the whole country (! LOL) with a concrete wall high enough that people can't climb (what was it, 20+ feet high concrete).

we've never had as much trouble in the U.S. since HE got in, and as many Challengers to his Dictatorship that people seem to want to "top" him, ever.

Hackresident Hackresident
December 26th

Walls work, the Israelis know it, the Vatican knows it, and even the security teams at the White-house (which is surronded by good and strong barriers) knows it.

They all know that good physicl barriers are a detetn to unlawful entry.

Too bad the the progressives are so regressive on this, whatever happened to there brains, are they all that stupid as they claim? Really?

And the Libs claim that walls don't work. Seems like they used to know that walls worked. . Wonder why they lock their doors at night? Whatever for? What's the purpose if physical security is useless?

Schumer and Pelosi are the ones holding up any compromise. The president has compromised enough. No more! Time for the Dems to progress forward on this and compromise on the wall.


"SD if you actually watched his rallies where he spoke about the topic, he's the one who said how Mexico would pay for it. But since you get your spin from the liberal media of course you just look at it as a lie." So it is a lie, but since it was a spun lie, it's the media's fault he lies.

It is as big a lie as "you'll be able to keep your doctor." Bigger in my case, I still have my doctor. In your case, you can't explain it, but you believe it. Textbook definition of gullible.

"You can't just leave the border open. Why would you want people just walking in.... " Really... You just can't.... I mean Canada.... Every beach.... But more important, if you e-verify, they can't work -----> are you still afraid they will come? I mean we'll be down to the rapists, murderers, white slavers, druggies, terrorists, --- none of which will be deterred by your silly wall. Why not stop the REASON they come versus your desire to put your finger in the dike.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 26th

SD it's only a lie in your vivid imagination... Ok come January it's the Dems chance to implement e-verify. When that doesn't get done what will you say then... Probably nothing, because you live in a world of delusion where leprechauns sit at the end of rainbows, gumdrops fall during rain storms, and unicorn's eat the grass in your backyard....


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier#Effectiveness

walls work.... you have nothing to back up that they don't....


and who's going to pay for it as promised? Mexico? not Mexico. 800,000 Gov't workers that won't have any paychecks for 1-2-3-4-5+ weeks. is that right?

I wonder how much more the US is in debt since he took the throne? does anyone know?

Hackresident Hackresident
December 26th

Walls and fences absolutely work

That's why its hard to get into Giants stadium on game day. That's why it's hard to get into Madison Square Garden, because physical barriers are a good way to deter unwanted entry and that's why you lock your door at night, so that folks cant just walk right in.

Walls work, period. Everyone knows this is true except for the democrats who are just trying to score a political victory at the sake of Americas safety,

That's what makes this the Schumer shutdown. Chuckie Cheese Schumer refuses to reach across the aisle and compromise with the republicans. He is the one holding up progress. Rather strange position for a progressive to be in isn't it. Yes it is hypocritical on the Dems part bug time.


As I stated above the cost is next to nothing when you divide it by 325 million Americans. You're hung up on the cost of that but don't seem to care about other programs that cost a hell of a lot more that don't benefit the country.


GOP controls the White House
GOP controls the House
GOP controls the Senate
Still don’t have your wall?

GUESS THE GOP DOESN’T SUPPORT THE WALL
Yours truly——(captain obvious)


It passed in the House. There are only 51 Republican senators or is your math not up to snuff...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL08sbhHzRA

Well looks like parts of wall have been built. Didn't you say that was a lie SD....


YOU CONTROL ALL
SO WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR F***’IN WALL?
Played like a Stradivarius you rube!!!!


You need 60 votes in the Senate Stymie.... That means Democrats also have to vote for it. What don't you get... It doesn't matter if Republicans are in control...


So the WORLD’S BEST, BEST NEGOTIATOR, with all of the numbers on his side- can’t negotiate a deal???
Jeez.
How unlucky.
Either how unlucky-or how incompetent.
I’ll take incompetent for $1,000, Alex.


I still say if they want to filibuster then they should be forced to actually filibuster. Not just use it as a threat to avoid reaching 60 votes.


"Filibustered bills require a three-fifths majority to overcome the cloture vote (which usually means 60 votes) and get to the normal vote where a simple majority (usually 51 votes) approves the bill."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate

and furthermore:

"A filibuster is a political procedure where one or more members of parliament or congress debate over a proposed piece of legislation so as to delay or entirely prevent a decision being made on the proposal. It is sometimes referred to as "talking a bill to death" or "talking out a bill"[1] and is characterized as a form of obstruction in a legislature or other decision-making body. This form of political obstruction reaches as far back as Ancient Roman times and could also be referred to synonymously with political stonewalling. Due to the often extreme length of time required for a successful filibuster, many speakers stray off topic after exhausting the original subject matter."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster


It's Schumer who is holding this up, he only needs to compromise on less than 5 billion for border security, and he refuses to reach across the aisle and work with the republicans

That's why this is the Schumer shutdown. The president has compromised enough on this one, for the sake of the country its time for the Democrats to come to center just a tad, and they wont do it, rank partisans that they be.


Yada Yada Yada
Controls all levers
Couldn’t get it done
As support for the Coward in Chief melts away,
Family members legal exposure expands,
Scrutiny of Bonespurs money laundering comes into focus,
Tax returns are made public,
Charitable Trust exposed as a slush fund,
GONNA BE A GREAT 2019!!!!


It's coming out that he directed those around him, and those are now in jail. Do you really think he's not going to be indicted during or after his presidency?!? lock (him) up next....there will probably be several or many more that are or were under him going to jail next too.

I can't wait for that Mueller Report, it should be something. he's frustrated now and doing IMPULSIVE THINGS...that is why that high-up General just QUIT, and NOT "Retired" as DT said.

No political experience, didn't go to college for Political Science and what you need to have to successfully lead a country in all aspects, and definitely he didn't go to Law School because he seems to break laws w/o giving a s--t.

Hackresident Hackresident
December 26th

Darrin - you're right, the Dems seem to be math challenged, failing to understand even basic math like 60 votes needed in the US senate to get bills passed, like understanding that to get get the govt back open they need to compromise on the wall to the tune of 2.5 billion dollars

oh boy how i long for the likes of decent democrats like JFK and Harry Truman, where have all the democrats gone? (long time passing . . . .)


Stocks are back up.


Suze; they had a great day. Stocks are NOT back up. Worst December crash ever.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 26th

I think Trump supporters biggest problem with him should be his lies. People wanted someone who was not a politician because they were tired of the status quo. They thought he was at the very least honest because 'he says it how it is.' That is not what they got.......they got a sleazy 'businessman' instead of a sleazy politician. Some of us already knew that and those that didn't are now just looking for ways to defend it.


Waiting to see what he is talking about here:

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
I am in the Oval Office & just gave out a 115 mile long contract for another large section of the Wall in Texas. We are already building and renovating many miles of Wall, some complete. Democrats must end Shutdown and finish funding. Billions of Dollars, & lives, will be saved!

5:24PM Dec 24.


Yet another lie, alternative fact, or twist in the never-ending 2 years of B.S.

did he pay for this 115-mile wall himself? he needs anything approved by the House and Senate. he's so FOS.

what does he say that is the truth? you can't believe a damn word he ever says.

well, it (his lies) got him into the office!! and the lying saga continues until the next round of Presidency.

Hackresident Hackresident
December 27th

Maybe it used funding from the Secure Fence Act of 2006...

You know, the physical border security improvement that both Obama and Schumer voted for, when they were for it, before they were against it.

It passed the Senate 80-19.


“The bill before us will certainly do some good,” Obama said on the Senate floor in October 2006. He praised the legislation, saying it would provide “better fences and better security along our borders” and would “help stem some of the tide of illegal immigration in this country.”


Maybe Putin’s putting the screws to him and he’s going bat shat crazy.

Cedes Syria to Putin

Lowers Russian sanctions

Lies all the time but supporters translate into their own fantasy version of their own reality.

Tells the world Saudi’s will pay for Syria after recent PDA love affair between Saudi prince and Vlad.

Tells little girl Santa is a marginal belief at her age.

Tells you that taking the last few years of stock market profits is an opportunity for you.

Fixates on his Wall, closes down the government, millions have their own economies shattered. Says great opportunity to buy government focused bankrupt business.

Yeah, Putin has to be happy with the effect of his disinformation assault on the alt right Nationalists like Mets, JR, Suze, and Greywolf as they regularly repeat those Russian feeds. Even the NRA got infiltrated while taking Russian dollars in support of your Russian-backed King.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 27th

SD you live in your own little world. It's very sad. The fact that you berate the call the conversation Trump had with that little girl is beyond delusional. I also posted a video about a section of wall that was put up near El Paso TX, but I guess in SD's world that is fake right.... The video showing the actual wall was doctored right... You need help...


I see the Christmas Spirit is alive and well (sarcasm alert)



2019 around here will require Wellies to slosh through all the rabid foam drooling out of the left's mouths....

Win the election: check
Get us out of the Paris Accords: check
Stand up to the UN, stop paying for everyone else: check
Create jobs: check (3 million), and unemployment the lowest in 18 years
Re-negotiate NAFTA: check/working
Declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel/move embassy to Jerusalem: check (actually, there's more than one US embassy in Israel; but the official "main" embassy is now in Jerusalem.)
SCOTUS#1: Gorsuch: check
SCOTUS#2: Kavanaugh: check
(President Trump also has the most circuit court judges confirmed of any President in their first year)
Begin bringing troops home: check, we're pulling out of Syria... hopefully more to come

Not bad for his first 2 years... now we just need the wall and a 3rd SCOTUS pick, and no matter what else he does, he will be a quite successful president. Sure, it's a love/hate thing depending on what side you're on, but that's what ALL US politics have devolved into at this point in history.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 27th

Re: Current Events Thread

Its the Democrats who own this shutdown. They refuse to compromise with the president who has compromised enough on this issue.

The Democrats value a political victory more than the security of the American people, it's shameful. But collectively they have no shame. Neither do the liberal blowhards on this forum. They have no shame or intellectual honesty Makes them look pretty cold and callous, just shameful

Funny how Schumer voted for the wall in 2006 but refuses to do so now.


Yea I would say that's a pretty good 2 years JR. The people on the left live in a sedated state of delusion.


"Funny how Schumer voted for the wall in 2006 but refuses to do so now."

Political advantage. That's the shame of the whole "game": it's no longer about what is actually good for the country (and of course there's some opinion involved in that), it's about "taking the position on an issue that will be the most politically advantageous to me"

hence, voting FOR the wall before you vote against it (Schumer). He's the most disgusting type of politician, no actual principles, except the principle of HIM.... interesting that is what Trump is always accused of.... Trump made promises, the people agreed with his goals, and elected him president to achieve those goals, and he is trying to achieve those goals. He's not even negotiating with his own party (who, at this point, has finally accepted he is their leader)... he's actually trying to keep the promises he made to the people that got him elected..... imagine that.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 27th

what was the cost in the wall in 2006 vs. now for what he demands?

Hackresident Hackresident
December 27th

Cost? Hell, there's TONS of waste in DC.... the wall wouldn't be waste... THIS is waste:


This year, Paul’s Waste Report is highlighting $114,514,631 of wasted money. “We feature an old favorite due for an update and some instant classics, like a study of daydreaming. Exactly where taxes should go, right? No matter how much federal agencies waste, politicians think they’ve never got enough. But if there’s money to waste, there’s too much already. So, before the Feats of Strength can begin, there must be an Airing of (spending) Grievance.”

Paul cites an October 2018 report from the Congressional Budget Office that showed net interest payments on the debt for fiscal year 2018 at $371 billion, or $62 billion more than the year prior. “Given such largesse, it may seem like a few million dollars is a drop in the bucket. But to borrow from a line credited to former Senator Everett Dirksen(R-IL): “A million dollars here and there, and pretty soon you’re talking about real money.”

Overall, Paul contends, there is $114,514,631 of wasted money. “No matter how much federal agencies waste, politicians think they’ve never got enough. But if there’s money to waste, there’s too much already. So, before the Feats of Strength can begin, there must be an Airing of (spending) Grievance.”

Here are some highlights:

1. Since 2009, the State Department has allocated more than $76 million to provide stipends to the nearly non-existent Somali army.

2. The Agriculture Department spent more than $13 million to promote the already overcrowded farmers’ market industry.

3.The U.S. embassy in Rwanda spent more than $250,000 to teach citizens how to lobby.

4. The National Endowment for the Arts spent $15,000 on “theatrical research” to combat poverty.

5. NIH spent more than $800,000 to study the sex lives of quails high on cocaine.

By the way, Congress is currently in recess and has a partial shutdown going on over budget issues.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 27th

Border security has plenty of support. A "big beautiful wall" less so. A definition of what it is that we're actually talking about may be the way out of the impasse.

BTW, when it comes to lack of compromise, I recall during the Obama years that "no compromise" was often the mantra from those on the right, including right here in this forum. (Remember, Mr. JeffRep?)


Lmfao Mark!!! Was fine when he did it....and as usual liberals when faced with facts jump to Russia Russia Russia all together now....if we say it enough it must be true!!!!!!

You guys have flat out lost your minds and it’s absolutly hilarious!!!


jd2,

Oh- no doubt the GOP were obstructionists during Obama's reign. He got his Obamacare passed, but they dug their heels in after that. And I said at the time, it IS the reason we have the system we have- check & balances. I fully expect the democrats to obstruct Trump as much as they can get away with... it's SOP.

That being said, it's also SOP if the republicans decide to use the "nuclear option" at some point to end the impasse.... (I think McConnell has said he won't do it, but we'll have to see how it all plays out....)

It's also legal for Trump to use defense budget money to build the wall (providing the House passes a defense budget and the Senate approves it)

Also, it seems Trump could build the wall without congressional approval, if it came to that.... there's always more than one way to skin a cat...


https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/12/24/donald-trump-shutdown-congress-approval-build-border-wall-spending-column/2402442002/

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 27th

“what was the cost in the wall in 2006 vs. now for what he demands?”

From Wikipedia:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006

“Although the 2006 law authorized construction of a fence, Congress initially did not fully appropriate funds for it (see authorization-appropriation process). "Congress put aside $1.4 billion for the fence, but the whole cost, including maintenance, was pegged at $50 billion over 25 years, according to analyses at the time.”


So *at least* $1.4B and up to $50B.

It still overwhelmingly passed 80-19 with Schumer (and many other Democrats) voting yes.

Were they up for re-election at the time?


"Oh- no doubt the GOP were obstructionists during Obama's reign. He got his Obamacare passed, but they dug their heels in after that."

Actually, they very much dug in their heels DURING the Obamacare creation. Not a single republican vote, and maximum obstruction and negative spin.

"Trump made promises, the people agreed with his goals, and elected him president to achieve those goals, and he is trying to achieve those goals."

Same with Obama back then; I don't recall the same level of understanding from the right! :-)


https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/26/politics/iraq-trump-hats-us-troops-maga/index.html

Can CNN stoop any lower.... Does anyone even watch these clowns anymore....


I rarely watch CNN, but agree that it is inappropriate for a president to bring his own politics into a meeting with troops. They are there on behalf of the United States, not the president personally.


Are you deluded or what? This has been news agency is trying to get troops in trouble for having their hats signed. They put their lives on the line and these idiots write trash like this....


"Same with Obama back then; I don't recall the same level of understanding from the right! "


I never said there was any! This is the Republicrat game of good cop/bad cop. Even 34 dems voted against Obamacare...

The only thing that makes Trump different at all, and I've been saying this ad nauseum, is that:

1) he was/is not an establishment politician. That is WHY (partly) he won.

2) he is a POPULIST... sure, he ran on the ticket he could win on (republican), but even the GOP did not want him... THEY were plotting ways to keep him from winning the primary (even before the dems were trying to character assassinate him)... only relenting when they saw it was useless, his popularity was so YUGE among their voter base (and even OUTSIDE their voter base)... remember, without some independents AND DEMOCRATS voting for Trump, no way he can win.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 27th

"Win the election: check" Cheat and lie when asked questions about business dealings in Russia, paying off sex workers, to be able to win

"Get us out of the Paris Accords: check" 195 nations signed up for Paris accord, Nicaragua and Syria did not. Now America, thanks to you folks, stands proudly with Nicaragua and Syria to add more pollution to the world as our FY for the new year.

"Stand up to the UN, stop paying for everyone else: check" You don't even know what you are saying here. PROVE IT. Show us the money

"Create jobs: check (3 million), and unemployment the lowest in 18 years" Better known as continue the Obama recovery.....

"Re-negotiate NAFTA: check/working" Bull, Nafta 1.1 with a new name

" Declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel/move embassy to Jerusalem: check" It's a stupid idea, so what....

SCOTUS#1: Gorsuch: check' SCOTUS#2: Kavanaugh: check --- true

"(President Trump also has the most circuit court judges confirmed of any President in their first year)" Yeah, because your side freakin blocked Obama, cheating again. But hats off to Sessions and McConnell on this one, not Don

"Begin bringing troops home: check, we're pulling out of Syria... hopefully more to come" Bull again --- even with Syria, we have more kids in more countries and now you don't even know where or how many are dying. But you don't care either....

Tax Cut that put deficit at The Great Recession levels during economic expansion --- Trump's fake economy

Fix/Replace ObamaCare --- big nothing sandwich, total failure

Build a Wall --- total failure, illegal immigration up under Trump

Infrastructure Improvements ---- how do you spell that? Where's my new airport

17 investigation, some Federal, some State, a couple of civil --- new record for shame less scandals

I will keep going......

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 27th

he's a celebrity. Go Apprentice Pres ~ who are you learning and copying from? You fire everyone.

he told t he troops that he was giving them a 10% cost of living increase. Try 2.4% or less (or nothing).

Hackresident Hackresident
December 27th

He WAS a populist.
Now he’s just s lying dung bag.
Democratic vote advantage in the presidential
+4.6%
Democratic vote advantage in the mid terms
+8.9%
Democratic vote advantage in 2020
+11.5%?
Say b-bye to GOP influence/ input.
They’ve decided to dissolve they’re party to follow the Coward in Chief.
HALLELUJAH!!!
As usual, the Democrats will clean up the GOP’s mess


Oh yeah because blue states like NJ, NY, and CA have done such great things under their watch.


https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/12/27/msnbc-beats-fox-news-in-key-ratings-for-first-time-in-17-years/23627987/

LMAO they're really bragging about this... Hannity has been on vacation... Gotta love liberal spin...


Hey, all three of those states have had Republican Governors about 50% of the time over the past 25 years. Factless, feckless, and fractured.

You’re getting better. Your last factoid was only a lie by a factor of 10. And you were so proud to be that close. This time you’re half right, only a 50% lie.

Congrats, fabricator.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 27th

If he didn't lie his ugly @$$ (and mouth) off with most statements that he says, perhaps he'd get respect and acceptance from most. He lost that battle with every new b.s. thing that comes out of that self.

Hackresident Hackresident
December 27th

“You’re getting better. Your last factoid was only a lie by a factor of 10. And you were so proud to be that close. This time you’re half right, only a 50% lie.“

When you’re a hammer everything looks like a nail. Likewise, when you’re obsessed with being “right” all the time then everyone who disagrees must lie all the time.

justintime justintime
December 27th

"17 investigation, some Federal, some State, a couple of civil" --- all due to the cry baby democrats AND YET not one single charge....hmmmm..yeah...keep going, I love seeing how mainly pointless items you can point at

And you complain about funding a wall out of one side of your mouth yet complain that it's not done yet out of the other? Your kidding right?

Liberals have gotten to the point of complaining just to complain!

You guys are getting really really bad at this whole process thing too........


"Oh yeah because blue states like NJ, NY, and CA have done such great things under their watch."

Detroit, Chicago....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 27th

"When you’re a hammer everything looks like a nail. Likewise, when you’re obsessed with being “right” all the time then everyone who disagrees must lie all the time."



Yup... confirmation bias on steroids; driven by deep hate, spun with cognitive dissonance. It's quite the recipe!

SD doesn't realize rabid, unforgiving hatred and extreme political spin like his is WHAT GOT TRUMP ELECTED. Keep it up, Spartacus!

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 27th

“Keep it up, Spartacus!”

Please, NO!

Trump was attractive as a candidate because he wasn’t like the standard cookie cutter politician. I had great hopes that he would disrupt the normal duopoly bs talking points and expose the root issues that our society faces. While he’s certainly been disruptive, the *way* he has been disruptive is horrendous. By acting like a 12 year old on a playground, it’s like he gave others permission to do the same. Now we have nothing but 12 year olds in positions of power (politicians, media talking heads, bloggers, etc) calling each other names and tossing insults like they were salads instead of discussing issues thoughtfully and respectfully. Sadly, that juvenile thought process has also become the norm in our society.

So NO, Sparticus can stay on the playground and get out of the way so the real adults can get to work. Go home Booker and the rest of the kids pretending to be adults. That includes Trump too.

justintime justintime
December 27th

"When you’re a hammer everything looks like a nail. Likewise, when you’re obsessed with being “right” all the time then everyone who disagrees must lie all the time."

Except the difference is that I PROVE the lie, usually with supporting materials, like above, whereas you just toss these emotional clap trap generalities and parables as a personal attack, of course, without any proof, sourcing, or facts. Just your emotions which seem to run a tad high where I am concerned.

When you want to discuss the issues, I am your buttercup. Facts can help. Emotions and feelings --- sorry, not so strong there. Try Greywolf, he's trying to get more in touch with his emotions. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

We are Spartacus. January is coming.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 27th

"all due to the cry baby democrats AND YET not one single charge....hmmmm..yeah...keep going, I love seeing how mainly pointless items you can point at"

Not one single charge --- hmmmm, can you spell indictment? Webster's: "a formal written statement framed by a prosecuting authority and found by a jury (such as a grand jury) charging a person with an offense "

34 people, 3 companies indicted ---- you're right, not a single.....

In that list are five Trump officials --- everyone one of them has pleaded guilty to criminal charges. ALL FIVE.

Trump's lawyer pleaded GUILTY incriminating Trump as a co-conspirator to a felony. Yeah, that's Trump. Yeah, that's co-conspirator.

Trump's Charity Foundation is closed down for stealing. You can pretty well expect charges here for Don Jr,, Ivanka, and Don. Like the Clintons, these folks need to stop including the offspring in their nefarious leads.

Others in the soup that Darrin can't let himself see:
Sam Patten: guilty
Konstantin Kilimnik, charged with obstruction of justice
Alex van der Zwaan, Manafort/Gates lawyer pleaded guilty

Look who's talking to Mueller to ESCAPE more serious charges: Manafort, Flynn, Gates, Patten, Papadopoulos, Cohen (the consigliore), Weisselberg (the accountant), Pecker (the editorial silencer) and many, many more.

Do you really want to keep on that tack? Seems you are veering off course.....

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 27th

Yesterday a Police officer who happens to be a legal immigrant to this country, was shot and killed by an illegal immigrant at a traffic stop. No problem, no need for wall.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/27/us/suspect-california-police-officer-killed/index.html


SD...beat around the bush much? You were talking about Trump’s investigations and your “supporting materials” are people other then Trump? I could care less about other people....just because someone I work with or I hired is arrested for something illegal would make me a bad guy???? Yeah....it’s that silly. You really can’t say crap about Trump because he has made it through 17 investigations clean, you may not like it and I know you pray every single night they find something on him, but as of yet nothing worth noting.

Yet I am the one veering off course.......


Keep telling yourself that he’s “ made it through” the investigations.
Repeat it over
and over
and over
and over
until maybe June?
Then we’ll see if your still talking out your a$$


Doesn't know what a lie is and thereby lies about lying, parroting the haters has proved nothing other than being the biggest blowhard who has nothing of consequence to offer, what a f'n bore, seriously


"Except the difference is that I PROVE the lie"

LOL. Only in your alternate reality, Tiny.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 27th

No, you are not guilty of veering off course except in your misuse of the English language like an illegal alien trying to talk his way through a port of entry.

Because you said no charges. I said plenty of charges. You said, no, no, I meant Trump charges.

I said, but you said charges.

You said, but that does not count

I said, wow, I thought illegal was illegal....and, say, don’t you owe some support over that last little fact void you presented? Did you find those yet?

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 27th

Ah, the name calling.
Getting a bit hot in the kitchen, eh?


Notice how SD avoids Denis post about an illegal killing a cop. It seems like at least once a week an illegal is killing a citizen and he'd rather go on and on about Trump and Russia and crimes that have nothing to do with Trump. Or he'll say how white guys kill so many more... Let's just ignore the fact that these types of murders by illegals can be avoided more easily than other types of murder. No the left just vilifies law enforcement and would rather just keep kicking the can down the road... I've seen the former head of ICE and other border agents come on TV saying how they want the wall. I've seen a mayor from an Israeli town come on saying how their wall works. Yet Mr. Know-it-all thinks he knows better than everyone who have actual experience in these matters. We're not talking about building the great wall of China here... There are sections of wall in El Paso TX that I posted a video about a few days ago that work. Again another thing ignored by SD. His blind rage towards Trump clouds any kind of common sense.


Mets; you are so prone to misstatements that it often takes extra time to fact check your points.

People are poeple. Do illegals murder more than legal? No; the opposite is true.

Can you share any statistics or are you still planning policy based on anectdotal data? You never have; or at least not that aren’t lies.

Can you tell us a plan or are you still whinning, give me $5B and I won’t tell you what the plan is. How long? What else? How much the real total?

No plan, just your King’s demand for $5B.

We are all for border security. I have proven to you a better eay to stop illegals. I have proven that most illegals come through a port of entry, not across a border to be walled.

You have proven nothing except some heart-wrenching anecdotes. And they are awful occurences. I have avoided sharing the 000’s of stories this year alone of police killed by Nationalists like yourself. Or by other citizens. You demand $5B but have no plan, no budget, no expected results.

You say the wall in El Paso works but elsewhere lament the rising tide of illegals; how can both be true unless they are just walking around the El Paso wall?

You say the shutdown is on Trump, he himself claimed it, then its on the Democrats who won’t compromise and do what you say. That’s not a compromise, you ask for capitulation.

Good luck.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 28th

"No, you are not guilty of veering off course except in your misuse of the English language like an illegal alien trying to talk his way through a port of entry. "


More self-reflection, Spartacus?

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 28th

JR: you say stuff. You call names. You prove absolutely nothing.

Prove it or shove off.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 28th

You obviously have no concept of what a plan is. Prototypes of walls have been displayed. Sections in El Paso have been put up. Where do you get that there's no plan? You haven't proven anything. And you know what, I have no problem being America first or a Nationalist as you put it. That's the way it should be. In the last 2 weeks alone, some crazy illegal went on a rampage of destruction killing 2 people and destroying vehicles on a highway. The cop killer yesterday. I don't believe I ever once said illegals kill more people than citizens. You're the one spinning it and saying that I am saying that. I'm saying these psychos shouldn't be here in the first place and we have the ability to stop that and e-verify doesn't mean anything if you're here illegally selling drugs. Those are the kinds of people committing murders not some guy picking fruit or mowing a lawn.


That unrealistic 1000-mile long wall is supposed to cost $20 billion to $25 billion. Not $5 billion. That "big beautiful concrete wall" can't possibly be funded with his unrealistic latest request of a lowered amount.

does anyone know: how much in debt the U.S. is now vs. in December 2017?

Hackresident Hackresident
December 28th

"JR: you say stuff. You call names."


Names? What names? Are you referring to "Tiny"- which is a name YOU have called EVERYONE on this forum at the end of your posts? Or "Spartacus", which I do you honor by calling you after your hero's assumed identity?

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 28th

https://www.cbp.gov/about/in-memoriam/memoriam-those-who-died-line-duty

Here's 40 law enforcement officers killed since 2003. That doesn't count regular citizens. It doesn't matter if it's a smaller number than overall murders by citizens. Point is it shouldn't be happening.

Oh yea and I forgot about the illegal let loose a month ago here in NJ that went out west and killed 3 or 4 people. Literally every week there's a story of stuff like this going on and you just choose to ignore it SD.


There had already been some money appropriated for the border wall.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_Appropriations_Act,_2018

Congress authorized it. Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2018. Passed in March.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/12/24/donald-trump-shutdown-congress-approval-build-border-wall-spending-column/2402442002/

He has the funds available and the authority to build the wall. He is just putting pressure on the dems.. next step is he is going to shut the southern border down entirely - which he absolutely has the authority to do.


8 U.S. Code § 1182 (f):

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182


Hackresident:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYGFD

Just curious if you think the trend is partisan or not (ie Trump, Obama, Bush(s), Clinton, or Regans fault)

justintime justintime
December 28th

I do know what a plan is and a prototype is not a plan. You need, at minimum,

High Lebel Description
Plan Details
Budget
Schedule
Expected Results
Metrics
Monitoring Plan

I did not notice that in your rant. Where’s the plan beyond whining “give me what I want to get elected or I will shut you down and let hard working Americans feel my pain.”

I don’t think I said you believed illegals kill more often than Nationalists, I believe you begrudgingly gave in on that one earlier. Sorry to confuse.

Show us a plan.

JR; “game on tiny” is a Trumpism uttered by Stormy Daniels. It is a statement of her calling him a name after he verbally racked her over the coals. She undoubtedly seems to maybe referring to the size of his penis of which she is $100k sure of. I repeated Stormy’s statement to Trump where she didn’t call him a name, but instead referred to an familiar attribute; you name called. Heh, heh.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 28th

SD I design things for a living. A prototype is a plan. You then choose from that prototype what you want to do for a production model. You also from your choice of prototype get a general quote of what it would cost. I highly doubt Trump just threw $5 billion out there. The guy is a builder by trade. Again this is just you hating on the guy and having no clue what you are talking about.


How many billions of dollars appropriated for the new "Space Force" by Trump?

Take money from defense fund (Trump has already claimed that "enemy combatants" enter the USA this way) so there should be NO ISSUE in using defense money this way, no additional spending needed.

Trump, set your priorities.
Build wall first.
Space Force later.
Not the other way around.....

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 28th

You certainly don't design things by saying, give me the money and I will get you a prototype. Not without a lot more dancing...….

And who says this is a prototype ---- I just hear "give me $5B so I can start something...… rapists/murderers/entitlementseekers/asylumliars/druggies/whiteslavers oh my....lions and tigers and bears, oh my.

"I highly doubt Trump just threw $5 billion out there." You must be kidding, right? Because if he didn't just toss this number out, then why oh why have they suggested other numbers...…

No, a prototype is a prototype --- an evaluation model. It may represent the full plan, a partial plan, a phase plan -----> who knows unless you see the plan...….

I have never seen a reasonable business fork over a sizeable chunk of change for a prototype without a comprehensive plan of where the prototype is taking them. And I haven't even mentioned the business plan side in opportunities, competition, forecast estimates, revenue projections, et cetera, et cetera.

And who says Trump is a great builder? Trump?

Tell us again:
How long is the wall going to be
How high
Will there be anything else, or just a wall?
Will there be mines, barbed wire, shoot-to-kill orders
How much will it cost
How long does it take to complete
How much to operate said wall

Why would you trust anyone with what you trust Trump with? Or is it just about winning by beating the other guy?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 28th

@dodgebaal - Love the idea ... If the Southern Border is a security issue ... Get the Military to design and build the wall ... Have the Military then patrol the border ... No Additional money needed ... 5 Billion to 30 Billion the Military wont miss the money at all since he just pulled us out of Syria ... I fully support this idea ...

LibertyThinker LibertyThinker
December 28th

Justin-
I’ll remove the suspense.
ALL the Black Guys fault.
Everything is his fault........
Watch


heh, heh, Stymie --- good one....

LT --- sounds like a good idea except once the military has it, chances are the $5B will start at $25B and then end up costing $250B of funding that you will never see since it gets smooshed into the Defense funds, all ending up some where's within the MIC but who knows where and how much.

If you want any level of accountability, fund border security as just that, open and transparent.

And cost is cost, whether you were spending it before or not. For example, you might say your "repurposing" Syrian troops, but they are already spoken for in Iraq and Afghanistan. You didn't really think Trump was shrinking the defense budget with his Syria move did you? No, just moving them to Putin's preference.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 28th

Lol Stymie. I doubt that even the die-hard anti-Obama folks can dismiss a trend as blatant as our collective debt issuance. Mr Obama is just another user of our economic system, as is trump and all presidents prior since our country converted to an all-fiat monetary system.

Can you say Republicrats ;-)

justintime justintime
December 28th

Re: Current Events Thread

There are prototypes that were made a while ago. There's a section of wall in El Paso. They know what it costs and have sizes and such in place. I guess I need to use crayons for you to understand SD...


How about a plan; a number, anything more than “there’s the prototypes, theres a sample, they know the costs, what’s your problem, get on board.”

Why blindly agree to follow the liar?

Show us a plan, a number, anything more than hot air and fear.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 28th

What do you need to see a plan for? Are you an accountant now that you need to count every penny spent... You sound foolish. We waste money on plenty of other things that you don't see plans for.


Why blindly keep lying about lying? Why lie so much about lies? jackwagonery par excellance and little else, certainly nothign of substance whatsoever.


Space Force HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 28th

You don’t need no stinkin plans, what’s wrong with you. I don’t need no stinkin plans. I trust the Don. I would donate to his Foundation. I would donate to his inauguration.

Don don’t lie. Why lie about lies. There ain’t no substance in lies( truth is overrated. Facts ain’t fun, they’re the foundation of spin Lies don’t spin, they lie. Lies good, truth bad.

Follow Trump and shut down the border. You can profit if you shut down the border. Only cost us $2B a day in yrade. We don’t need no stinkin wall, just shut down the border. Profit. Do it.

January is coming. I am Spartacus.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 28th

Muttsman- you sound so ignorant.
Yeah, let’s give the fat Coward in Chief a blank check.
Yeah, even though he’s gone belly up what, 4 times already.
Whatever happened to your penny pinching fiscal policy from say 2008-2016?
You know, when Obama was saving your financial a$$ and you were treating nickles like manhole covers.
You’ve already let the Cappo in the Oval blow out an additional $1.7 TRILLION.
Only matters for Black Presidents?
I know- here it comes
-your old reliable “ race card” accusation.
Please, spare us.


There sure ain't no substance in SDs lies, who lies about lying and lies about them on a daily basis. SD has become the resident liar in chief around here and is too self-unawares to realize it which makes him and his spun web of lies about lying of no consequence in the discussion. Can Spartacus spell t.o.o.l, ? (LOL) (prolly not 'cause don't think Spartacus even had a grade school education)


Lies is lies so lies is true. Truth is spin, facts are lies.

Prove one Greyhawk or shove off. Talk is cheap; where’s your proof.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 28th

Stymie your buddy SD is the one who thinks prototypes aren’t some kind of planning. I’m an engineer I know better than him. I just laugh at the ignorance displayed in this forum. Trump is a builder. Obviously the company or companies that made the prototypes have the plans and know what materials and labor cost are to build it. IDK where he gets his info from that this is some kind of thing written on a napkin that has no work put into it.


I'm gonna shove it right back atcha stranglerdangler . You proved nothing other than you're a lying blowhard who offers nothing of consequence. Too full of yourself to see it, you had better pipe down and button it up already, no one is listening to your drivel .


SD lies, he lies about lying and lies about them on a daily basis.


China and Chinese parents can now monitor their children's every move while in school and before and after.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/365640/china-starts-tracking-children-using-school-uniforms?amp=1


it's alarming KB, isn't it. Won't be too much longer before helicopter parents here in the states start chipping all their kids (for their safety), in time public schools will require it of all students, so they can be tracked and monitored 24/7/365.


It’s troubling to see this thread devolve.
Guys:

TERMS OF USE:

By using Hackettstown Life you are agreeing to the following terms:

“Be Nice.
You must not abuse, harass, threaten, impersonate or intimidate other users.
You are solely responsible for your conduct...”

Be nice!!


@Stymie "Keep telling yourself that he’s “ made it through” the investigations.
Repeat it over
and over
and over
and over
until maybe June?
Then we’ll see if your still talking out your a$$"

Has he or has he not been charged to date? He HAS NOT.... this is a very simple FACTUAL piece that you for whatever reason fail to accept. No repetition necessary. Face it, as of now, 17 investigations later, you still have nothing on Trump to get him impeached......If something comes up in your 10,000 investigations of him I will openly accept it, but if nothing comes up he should be considered the worlds cleanest man considering the number of investigations you guys put him through in your witch hunt....can't wait to start insisting on some witch hunts for your beloved democrats...lets see how many of them fall shall we? If anyone of us was federally investigated as much as Trump has been, they would probably find something on every single one of us.



@SD "except in your misuse of the English language like an illegal alien trying to talk his way through a port of entry. "

Well excuse me, I didn't realize I was turning my forum post in to be graded Mr. Teacher.....got anything better then complaining about how I use the English language?

Were we or were we not talking about Trump? But here goes the SD spin as usual...you want proof that you do it, it is right there, the whole reason I stopped replying to you or even reading your posts. We were having a conversation about Trump and you got nailed down, so you found it necessary to start spinning statements claiming I was talking about something different and ran on down your yellow brick road of narration as to your interpretation of what happened. It's the stupid things you do like this that looses you a lot of respect and readers on this forum.

And Robin, I do apologize for the others, unfortunately the liberals on this thread have always been this rude, we are used to it though and it doesn't bother us. Honestly the way I look at it is comical....comical that they have to stoop to that level to get a point across and cannot have an adult conversation. Luckily for you alpha1beta has not been back threatening people or slinging hatred towards everyone that disagrees with him.


I just responded to what you wrote and you got into a snit. I am no grammer teacher but unlike your abilities to divine the truth in Trump’s lies, I can not guess what you meant to say until you clarify. I have to go with what you did say.

Yes, until you actually step up and say what you mean and then back up what you say (still eaiting on that one), sure, avoidance might be your best policy. Thanks.

Adult conversation, I’m lucky A-B has taken a break....?? Yeah, better just not trying.

Greyhawk, when you can prove any of the trash talk you spew, that will be the day. Until then, your oersonal attacks aren’t even good enough to catch a moderator’s attention much less mine. You need to up your game for sure. You say I’m lying. Prove it or shove off. If you say it, show it. Step up to the line and show us the lies.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 29th

I guess your running your “ mouth” equates to the serial Gropers innocence?
It ain’t over ‘till it’s over.
But the guy sure Acts guilty.
We’ll see , won’t we?
tRUMP Foundation?- fraud and closed
tRUMP university?- settled for millions of $$$
Paying for sex?-caught RED HANDED
Illegal campaign contributions?-see above
tRUMP Moscow?-will be revealed.
Russian money laundering through Sherman banks?-you bet
JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.
This crook, bully, liar, fraudster is in deep $h**
In the end, this will prove so much more than Billy Boys BJ’s
Again- De-Nile ain’t just a river in Egypt.
Or in your case “ignorance is bliss”.


You forgot unindicted co-conspirator in a felony where his conspirator, his personal lawyer, pleaded guilty. Hard to get closer to "charged," than that.

Report MAY be coming mid-Feb. We will see then, if we get to see, what Russian ties are there.

Considering the global Christmas gifts Trump is giving to Putin this year in Syria and the Ukraine with Putin responding by opening up Cold War II with Putin's announcement of hypersonic missile delivery systems and Putin's recent naval war-like actions, sure seems fishy to me. Stand down, not even a whimper of protest.

Hypersonic nuclear ballistic missiles --- not a whimper.
Mexican Mom with kids in tow ---- it's the end of the world as we know it.....

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 29th

Re: Current Events Thread

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JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 29th

Stymie loves his CNN...


Hey, I realize you voted for the guy. And you like who he is and what he does. You love his economy, your employment, and your tax break. Sure, I get it.

I see a more dangerous and polluted world where profit comes before people, debt before austerity, and a Trumpian world where the rich get richer while you get a six pack, a sunset, and pollution-based cancers, but are happy in your belief in his, now over 7,000 individual lies, a baker's dozen he has told over 100 times AFTER he was fact-checked and corrected.

You're living the life, living Trump's lies.

- The number of illegals are down, not up. Trump lies.

- 2/3rds of all illegals have been here for over a decade. Trump lies.

- They do not catch 10 suspected terrorists at the Mexican border every day. Not even close. Trump lies.

- Most illegals come through ports-of entry not where the wall may be. Those crossing where the wall will be is the lowest it has been since 1970 Trump lies.

- Most drugs already come in through ports of entry or around any wall. Trump lies.

- Many of the border crossers immediately turn themselves in for asylum. Trump lies.

- The wall will stop human trafficking. No one has a number here, so it's just Trump's guess or bad statistics. They can't even tell how many trafficked trough ports of entry, no way they can tell about the wall's effect. The best number we have is a POTENTIAL .25% of all family units. A quarter of a percent ----- maybe, worse case, possibly, probably less than .25%. Trump lies

- For unaccompanied adults under 18, DHS reports .02% MIGHT have gang affiliation. .02% of all unaccompanied adults maybe. Trump lies.

"From 2011 to mid-2017, the agency had encountered nearly 250,000 unaccompanied minors — people under 18 — at the border. Of that group, about 159 had some gang affiliation. Fifty-six of those were MS-13, about 0.02 percent of the total." https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/27/trumps-arguments-about-wall-are-mostly-exaggerated-or-false/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3bb10dd67c05

The numbers are low and going in the wrong direction to signal the need for an expensive boondoggle of political posturing. If you think Trump tells the truth, and I lie, worse yet, I read WAPO, then I ask you ---- find your own facts. Look at these issues. Look at the numbers, look at the facts. Avoid the sensational anecdotes of Mexicans murdering someone; I don't print the citizen anecdotes that are far more numerous. Heck, if we were walling off crime, then the Carolinas might be first to go after Chicago and LA. (just kidding, chillax expats.)

Trump is lying to you so he can check off a campaign pledge for his next run at being President. It's a symbol, not a tool. We can do this smarter, better, first by deploying e-verify nationally. That will stop more illegal workers than any wall ever could. It will not only stop those coming across the border, it will also stop all those who are here. That's something Trump's stupid political act can never do.

-

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 29th

You are lying and you know it and don't care that you lie about lying, lie about others and mostly lie constantly about yourself, you lie.


And contrary to Mets-the-engineer's "prototype is plan," a prototype, at best, is a plan element. Most often, a prototype is not even a complete, final, product, it's a proof-of-concept.

No one has ever said: here's my prototype, it's my plan.

No Mets, every viable organization has a plan, not just a prototype, incorporating the elements I noted above. Developing prototypes may or may not be part of the plan. You don't have to have them. But you do have to have a plan.

You say Trump's plan is solid because he's a builder. I believe there's a lot of people following Trump's Atlantic City debacle that would disagree. Still waiting to be paid.... He's a deal maker. After ObamaCare, I think that ship has passed. He only hires the very best talent. Crap, if you still believe that one...….

No Mets: before we give $1, much less $5B --- how about the what's, where's, how much, and WIFM's from Trump's plan. Not Mets' allegiance to Trump, but a plan.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 29th

"You are lying and you know it and don't care that you lie about lying, lie about others and mostly lie constantly about yourself, you lie."

Show us one. Come on big guy, do it.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 29th

We could have used the money seized from the employers of illegals to build the wall.
We did not do that.
We did not seize any money.
Cause lots of friends of politicians would have lost fortunes.
Plus some of us here on the forums called it "tyranny." Give 'em a fine, call it a day.
But those employers were criminals.
If you buy drugs they seize your car- are both not "criminals?"
If you buy sex from your car, they seize it, are both not "criminals?"
So it's lawful to seize a car from an addict, but "tyranny" to seize a business for hiring illegals. Ok, that sounds logical to me....
Same like if a corporation steals retirement funds and someone dies due to a lack of money for healthcare-oh well, OTOH, if a man steals a candy bar,runs from the police, and the officer runs into the street and is hit by a car-the crime is up to homicide. You would think the situation is similar, but the laws always protect those criminals with more assets.
This is American Justice.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 29th

Stranger.
Bottom line:
WARREN COUNTY DOESN’T SPEND ENOUGH ON EDUCATION .
Hayseed racists happy in their squalor.
Deliverance was on the tube the other day.
Lotta the righties here had bit parts.
WAIT FOR THE REPORT ( that the GOP will try to quash)
Even in writing they will excuse this turd.
I AM GOING TO ENJOY WATCHING THE JUDICIAL BRANCH CRUSH tRUMP LIKE A GRAPE!!


"And contrary to Mets-the-engineer's "prototype is plan," a prototype, at best, is a plan element. Most often, a prototype is not even a complete, final, product, it's a proof-of-concept."


Wow, talk about reaching... LOL

So, "proof-of-concept" is NOT part of the planning stage? Thousands of scientists and engineers will be very disappointed to hear that, having lived and worked under a falsity all these years...

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 29th

"I AM GOING TO ENJOY WATCHING THE JUDICIAL BRANCH CRUSH tRUMP LIKE A GRAPE!!"


....added to my list of quotes, it's getting quite long now....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 29th

BTW,
Notice when I stated politicians I did not pick one side or the other...

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 29th

I see you went right for the facts about why we need your silly wall and avoided the divisional diatribe deliciously discovering the delights of the dreadful determination of whether to prototype or to plan. Or are they synonymous terms as Mets-the-engineer would have you believe.

I never said that a prototype can not be part of the process. I believe that's what Met's attempts to allude to. I think he wants $5B for a prototype. Who really knows since Trump talks in riddles and lies. But a prototype of what? How can you know until you know the plan? I keep saying that a prototype is not a plan. A plan may or many not contain prototype development, prototype development never contains the entire development plan, much less the results projections, etc.

I said a prototype IS NOT A PLAN.
Never will be.

I said you want $5B without a plan. All you have is "give me my money to build a wall, well, not the whole wall, well, I can't tell you how much, where, when, or even why (without lying). And that's what you want to go with. Most important, you do not have a clue what you expect in return, do you even know what the WIFM is for your investment? Not a clue.

Well, no sir, not under Pelosi will you get your political stunt of a wall.

Someone comes to me and says: "here's a prototype, give me $5B," or "if you give m $5B, I will construct a prototype," I will always say: do you have a plan?

Call me old fashioned, but I like to know what I am buying, full stream, on any project before I start coughing up cash.

I realize that for you, given your fears of rape, murder, white slaving, drugs, gangrape, gangs, and terrorists streaming across our border raping and pillaging everywhere, all the time ------ that forking over $5B for a prototype without even a glimmer as to the final plan or price tag is a perfectly logical reaction to your fears.

I am not afraid. I am Spartacus. I do not see the advantage in a wall. I do not see a viable return on this investment. I do see alternative choice that have far better returns on their investments and that solve 10 times more of the very problem we all desire to solve ---- illegal immigrants and undocumented workers.

You shall not have your wall. Not this year. Let's see you refute my facts indicating the stupidity of your political stunt.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 29th

JeffRep.
Is that what you consider a “ life well spent”?
My disrespect just turned into pity.


Another tough guy huh. So come on tough guy, quit lying about lying. You lie so much you can't keep track of them all tough guy. Only thing you ever proven here is that you are a congenital liar. Just check back at your own lies for proof. Or ask your wife and kids little man. They'll be sure to clue you in.


Wow. Just. Wow

Have we scraped the bottom of the barrel yet?

justintime justintime
December 29th

Does anyone know why there’s a group of protesters/demonstrators by the post office today? I didn’t get a good look as I drove by.


SD if I want a proof of concept made I get something 3D printed in plastic that is cheap. A prototype is a working version of a product. I’ve never once had a prototype made that wasn’t meant to be a working version of what we wanted to sell. That would be asinine. From the prototype you decide what tweaks you want to make for it to go into production. Trump had working prototypes made. So there’s a plan. They probably decided to make tweaks as well. You really have no understanding of engineering if you think prototypes aren’t a plan. Don’t quit your day job...


mets- he's already been thrown out of his day job


"Does anyone know why there’s a group of protesters/demonstrators by the post office today?"

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess they're associated with the Lyndon Larouche Movement... they're typically the ones carrying signs at post offices, regardless of who's president.


Mets; you keep dancing around rationalizing that if there’s a prototype, there MUST be a plan.

Because you’re an engineer, you got the creds. So give up the $5B.

I say that’s one hell of an assumption.

Especially given the facts would tell you that a wall will not solve the problem you desire to solve. Worse yet, there are better, proven, solutions in front of you that solve your issues plus a huge one, existing undocumented, that your stupid wall can never touch.

Go to the facts. How many are coming. How many are here. How do they get in. What are the real dangers. And is Trump’s wall the best solution or something that plays well with rally rubes and engineers?

My solution is ten times better than Trumps. And you can still see the Rio Grande and water your livestock in it.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 29th

I feel like I’m talking to a recording... I would bet money they have a quote from a construction company for a wall. I’ve also seen that they want around 700 miles of wall the remaining portion of the border are natural barriors. A wall would absolutely stop the average Joe Schmo looking to come here to mow lawns and pick fruit. They won’t be able to climb it. The drug cartels and other criminals who tunnel in you’ll need technology in place to detect them. That is part of regular border security. That’s up to border control what they want to use.


Trust but verify. You bet, you’ve seen....come on, would that work with anyone to get a buck, much less $5B.

Check those facts I listed above. The wall is just a less effective approach to e-verify and does ZERO for anyone here now or in the future. That’s what—- 11 million or 50 trillion if we use Trump’s numbers ;-). The wall does nothing for the millions already here. Is that in the plan too?

Check e-verify. It seems secure and effective and that’s before you toss $5B in to improve it. Seems to me, giving 11m the boot is a pretty big frakin wall. The wall keeps those millions here.

I have no issues with border security. The wall seems more about politics than solutions. I just can’t see choosing the less effective solution makes sense.

And sure, we both agree that more than a wall or more than just e-verify is needed. In either case, come clean. Be transparent. Show me a plan.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 29th

SD is just being SD. His previous moniker proves he can find the info just as easy as anyone. For starters, see this cnn piece found after a two minute search;

https://money.cnn.com/2017/03/30/news/trump-mexico-wall-bids/index.html

Btw SD, if you’re not an engineer what would you do with s set of plans or specifications anyway? You’d have to know the engineering lingo to decipher the details you claim to seek.

justintime justintime
December 29th

Pretty funny. JIT posts the dreaded CNN. Sorry, we don’t accept that source on HL. Just kidding.

Great story. Kind of puts Mets-the-engineer’s prototype plan in a timing issue unless this Spring 2017 prototype rfq was a bust and they need another round.

Of course, without a plan, how could one know. And an rfq which specifies prototype requirements for submissions is not a plan JIT. But you knew that. Heck, you posted CNN. That’s how hard you had to look to find anything. I am looking fir the plan that convinces me the $5B is well spent.

You want to say some specs are the plan. Really—-so how long, how much, what expected results —- you know, plan stuff.

Mets-the-engineer wants less than that; he figures they got a plan, so give em the money... Probably trusts him on those tax returns too. I mean all tax returns use the same ten digits , right?

I am amazed that a simple request as to what we get for $5B with a look forward as to what we are getting into for the totality of it all seems such an egregious request to you all I can’t understand why you wouldn’t request that and more before you get on board.

Still waiting for anyone to show us how a wall is better than e-verify.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 29th

Walls work, they work well and are very effective,

It's ok to secure the border by building a wall, it's a good idea whose time has come.


Nobody every disagreed about e-verify but how does it address those coming here with criminal intent ergo smuggling , human trafficking gangs etc? If you did not believe the wall would actually work - you would be talking about muller right now.


Why don't we put a wall around the whole freaking' United States, including Canada, and block even the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans from BOATS entering onto the land. And block all blacks and Hispanics and non-American-born people from entering the U.S.? what next?

don't take me seriously on this, but this is becoming crazy. $5 billion will never pay for a 1000-foot concrete wall that is 20 feet high (18 feet, excuse me). If Pinocchio got this $5 billion and used it for the construction of his wall, he will then say it's all used up after funding, what, 200 feet of Mexican wall? It's $25 Billion to fund this, NOT $5 Billion!

I'm still waiting for Mexico to pay for the wall as in his campaign promise!!!!!! "Witch Hunt" (nothing negative against Witches). But I see one Warlock in this picture.

those federal government workers in many agencies who aren't getting a paycheck and unable to go to work. now I read he is cancelling their cost-of-living pay raise, which I think was 2.4 or 2.9%. Watch them lose their homes and unable to pay their bills. what next-- those in Private Industry will not be allowed to work either w/ no pay?

G-d help this f--d up system.

Hackresident Hackresident
December 29th

SMDH... SD if there was no plan there would be no prototypes. When you get a prototype made you also get an idea of how much a larger volume of parts cost. You don’t know what you’re talking about and it’s quite amusing. If you don’t consider blueprints/fabrication drawings and a quote for everything a plan then IDK what you consider a plan. But what do I know I’ve only been doing this for 20 years. You probably sell shower curtain rings for a living and think you know everything...


That’s the point Skippy; once the undocumented have no reason to be here, using your own gun logic, do you think a wall gonna stop serious criminals. At those numbers for murdering raping drug dealing MI-13 white slavers, is the wall our best choice.

Again, most drugs don’t come in across that border. Air, sea, and ports of entry. Criminals too mostly use ports of entry. See above but check on it yourself.

You are being sold a brand by a huckster looking for his next vote amd a diversion from the 17 investigations. He may blot out the media sun, but the law marches forward.

This goose is cooked; nothing happens until 2019. No one is in DC.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 29th

$5 billion will never pay for a 1000-foot concrete wall that is 20 feet high-

Trump said Mexico was going to pay for it.
Have them provide the labor, the defense department can provide the materials

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 29th

So how come schumer won't compromise or negotiate in good faith? He obviously could care less about the government workers who are not getting paid.


NO, the 'rings' are Mr. D.T.'s favorite thumb-and-pointer-finger expression in his oval-ring shape, with his un-masculine small fingers and hands. (something I wouldn't notice, but it's been noted on TV, newspapers and internet because many don't respect him any longer.).

Stormy Daniels would know the rest, as I'm sure he cheated on his wife many a time, paid her off through Cohen, and The Enquirer to keep it quiet just before the Election. But then, he said he didn't know about any payment, then admitted to a payment, and changed his story (how many?) times after the initial denial? Yet Billie Bush gets fired from his job.

Hackresident Hackresident
December 29th

SD - I do think a wall will stop a majority of them as it will force them into the vetting process. If you want the US to abide by the treaties we have signed to accept asylum eligible persons - they need a central point of entry to avail them selves to thst process - if we implement e-verify universally these folks will need to be documented to subsist and those that crossed in unsecured portions will be without support. Let us secure the border so that those with a legal right to immigrate can be fast tracked.


Again, your solution does nothing for the 11m here. It does nothing for anyone who gets through in the future.

Mine solves it.

If you check the numbers, slavers, murderers, rapists, and terrorists are very low numbers that a wall seems ludicrously expensive to stop the handfuls. Especially when dedicated criminals will be the most adept at avoiding the wall. Asylum seekers would go to ports of entry IF you would quit blocking them for weeks and months.

Again, you can check the numbers, but most of these folks come throufh a por of entry.

Its a political ploy where he makes a brand you can repeat like Pavlov’s dogs, whips our fearsup with lies and heart-wrenching anecdotes, and then refuses to divulge a plan, budget, schedule and expected results,

Enough.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 29th

"JeffRep.
Is that what you consider a “ life well spent”?
My disrespect just turned into pity."

LOL Triggered much?


"So how come schumer won't compromise or negotiate in good faith? He obviously could care less about the government workers who are not getting paid."

And it is definitely Schumer who needs to "come to the middle", since he himself wanted absolute border security ..... it's only a bad idea now because TRUMP is the one wanting it done.

Must be tough, contradicting your own words:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAyn89hFIo

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 30th

"Mexico will pay for the Wall"......

Hackresident Hackresident
December 30th

I have no problem paying for the wall. Never did. Neither do any Trump supporters. We figure, if other people are willing to use taxpayer money to pay for Planned Parenthood, the superior healthcare plan Congress gets, etc etc.... we are willing to pay for the wall. $18M has been raised by private citizens (a drop in the bucket, but illustrative that people are willing to pay for it....) I'd bet $1000 RIGHT NOW that if the American public raised all 5M, the democrats would STILL block the building of it. Because this isn't about the wall, or compassion, or humanity. This is about not letting Trump win, at all costs. Nothing but a political football.

As everyone knows, we don't REALLY get to pick and choose what we pay for based on our political opinions.

1. Since 2009, the State Department has allocated more than $76 million to provide stipends to the nearly non-existent Somali army.

2. The Agriculture Department spent more than $13 million to promote the already overcrowded farmers’ market industry.

3.The U.S. embassy in Rwanda spent more than $250,000 to teach citizens how to lobby.

4. The National Endowment for the Arts spent $15,000 on “theatrical research” to combat poverty.

5. NIH spent more than $800,000 to study the sex lives of quails high on cocaine.

...let's start adding this stuff up ... I'll bet we could come up with $5B in no time.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 30th

Now we need to know the plan before the money is doled out??? How about we just take an old play from the playbook and just agree that in order to see the plan for the wall we need to approve the $5b first. Kinda like when the obamacare bill had to be passed first to see what was in it.

Not sure of the dollar to dollar comparison between the 2 but I am assuming that it is similar. One thing for sure, passing obummercare without knowing what the plan was impacted all of us. The wall impacts almost none of us.

Need to pass it to see whats in it.

Animal_Lover_Always
December 30th

"How about we just take an old play from the playbook and just agree that in order to see the plan for the wall we need to approve the $5b first. Kinda like when the obamacare bill had to be passed first to see what was in it. "


Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

Hypocrisy. Hypocrisy. Hypocrisy.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 30th

We need the wall, and yes we need to work it with other methods like increasing fines and indictments for employers who skirt the law to hire cheap illegal immigrant labor (modern day slavery) but make no mistake about it, walls work. Just ask the rich folks living in gated communities. They know walls work. That's one of the reasons they moved there.


100% agree with mandating e-verify, with very stiff penalties for not following the mandate.

I would also take it a step further and require that all government funded programs are also off the table for them. Drivers licenses, schools, in-state tuition, any aid etc.

If we are going to take the reason of work away from them, we also must take away any entitlements.

All of this in addition to the wall of course and I will throw in strengthening the ports of entry.

It is a very complex issue that one approach will not solve.

Animal_Lover_Always
December 30th

Yes, I can see where Chuck needs to deal.

Oh wait, Chuck and Nancy put two deals on rhe table and Trump said the only deal is $5B for something only Trump knows or Trump holds the government hostage until Chuck capitulates.

So if I understand it, the deal is take it or shut er down.

I’ll take door number two please.

Now, shut down the border. Do it.

Two kids killed on Trump watch. Record number of deaths for DHS at the border. He has a plan there.....

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 30th

“Two kids killed on Trump watch. Record number of deaths for DHS at the border.”

You know, this is what really pisses me off about people who pick and choose stats to make their case, especially when it’s the idiotic pulling of heart strings to create a manipulated empathy when reality is often much more complicated that that. Basically, Republicrats suck big time every time they pull this crap, as does anyone who consistently uses the tactic by assuming that the population is so dumb that they can’t see right through it. Can you say OBFUSCATION?

Again, another two minute search that just scratches the surface:

https://www.southernborder.org/deaths_by_border_patrol

Diss it dispute the first fact? No, but does provide context.

justintime justintime
December 30th

Re: Current Events Thread

“Every place a wall or barrier has been built, it has resulted in decreased illegal immigration, decreased drug smuggling. One hundred percent of the time, it has proven effective,” Homan said during a Wednesday appearance on Fox News’ “Fox & Friends.”

“Look at the rest of the data on the border, where arrests of MS-13 (gang members) this year are up 118 percent, the seizures of fentanyl — for God’s sake — are up almost 200 percent. There’s your data,” Homan continued.

After Pelosi’s USA Today comments were recited, Homan dropped some more data on the Democrats.

“Allow me to educate Mrs. Pelosi,” he said. “As far as crime coming across the border, ICE arrested 138,000 criminals last year. These are people who entered the country illegally and committed crimes against the people of this country.”

Terrifyingly, Homan also recounted a situation where when he was with ICE, the agency detained an illegal immigrant who “had a strain of (tuberculosis) we couldn’t even treat.” ICE had to work with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to try to treat the man for months, which is an obvious strain on the taxpayers.

“Can you imagine if that strain of TB would’ve gotten released into the American society?” Homan asked.

https://youtu.be/6P2KgPbtmOw

What’s next - locking your house fails to prevent burgularies?


CA Cop killed by a illegal immigrant......silence from the democrats....what now?


SD if you think those sick kids deaths are Trumps fault then you are truly lost. Obviously their illnesses came from making a dangerous trek with their parents to the point where they were so far along nothing could be done. You really need to pull your head out of the sand. But then you say nothing when a police officer is gunned down in California. You liberals are wacked...


Just let Jersey pay for it. We owe over 80 Billion to the state employees now. We can just borrow it and add to the tab.

Or maybe we could convince Bezos, Gates, Musk, or the Walmart clan to pony some up.

Time to get creative....

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 30th

Here is the skippy plan for wall funding -

1. Charge non US citizens every time they cross into the US. At the San Diego / Tiajuna border.

"The San Ysidro Port of Entry (aka San Ysidro Land Port of Entry and San Ysidro LPOE) is the largest land border crossing between San Diegoand Tijuana, and one of the busiest land border crossings in the worldwith 70,000 northbound vehicles and 20,000 northbound pedestrians crossing each day"

If we charged a measly $5 per pedestrian and $5 per vehicle, we'd raise $164 million in a single year, at a single point of entry. Imagine if they charged per person, not just per vehicle, at every point of entry, and/or charged more than $5. Some estimates put the total number of crossings northward at 500,000 daily, so $912M per year. So basically, about $1B per year - we could implement EZ- pass and offer discounts if the vehicle returned to Mexico.

2. 10% transfer tax to any funds wired or otherwise transferred outside of this country, not just from Mexico. This will fund the wall and border security across all borders. (Land and Sea).

“The strong U.S. economy and labor market, where the majority of Latin America and the Caribbean migrants come from, are expected to see flows to Latin America and the Caribbean reach $87 billion this year and over $90 billion in 2019. Mexico and Central American countries are the main beneficiaries. “ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-10/strong-advanced-economies-fuel-record-2018-remittance-flows

So in 2019, a 5.55% tax on remittances back to Mexico and Central America alone would fully fund the wall. 10% would be a net positive.

3. E-verify with severe consequences to include total personal asset forfeiture.

That’s a plan and Mexicans / Mexico would pay for it.


tRUMP Foundation dissolved due to fraud and misappropriation by a Billionaire (?).
Unarmed blacks killed by Police caught ON FILM MULTIPLE TIMES.
Silence by the Republican?
Actually, your silence speaks volumes.


Hillary Clinton Benghazi "Investigation"
4 years
0 indictments
0 convictions

Hillary Clinton Email "Investigation"
2 years
0 indictments
0 convictions

MAGA = MY ADMINISTRATION GOT ARRESTED

Trump-Russia Investigation
16 months
32 Indictments/Charges (Individuals) (and counting)
3 Indictments/Charges (Companies)
7 GUILTY pleas (and counting)
4 CONVICTIONS (and counting)

"I will appoint the best people you will ever see and let me tell you folks, I know some of the best and the greatest. Things will be so great your heads will spin!"

Indicted: Paul Manafort
Indicted: Rick Gates
Indicted: George Papadopoulos
Indicted: Michael Flynn
Indicted: Richard Pinedo
Indicted: Alex van der Zwaan
Indicted: Konstantin Kilimnik
Indicted: 12 Russian GRU officers
Indicted: Yevgeny Prigozhin
Indicted: Mikhail Burchik
Indicted: Aleksandra Krylova
Indicted: Anna Bogacheva
Indicted: Sergey Polozov
Indicted: Maria Bovda
Indicted: Dzheykhun Aslanov
Indicted: Vadim Podkopaev
Indicted: Irina Kaverzina
Indicted: Gleb Vasilchenko
Indicted: Bijan Kian
Indicted: Ekim Alptekin
Indicted: Internet Research Agency
Indicted: Concord Management

Guilty: Michael Flynn
Guilty: George Papadopolous
Guilty: Richard Pinedo
Guilty : Alex van der Zwaan
Guilty : Rick Gates
Guilty: Michael Cohen
Guilty: Paul Manafort

Over 191 Criminal Charges (and counting):

Conspiracy against the USA (2 counts)
Conspiracy to launder money (2 counts)
Bank fraud (8 counts)
Bank fraud conspiracy (10 counts)
Subscribing to false tax returns (10 counts)
Making false statements (6 counts)
Failure to file reports of foreign bank accounts (14 counts)
Unregistered agent of a foreign principal (2 counts)
False FARA statements (2 counts)
Subscribing to false tax returns (10 counts)

Assisting in preparation of false tax documents (5 counts)
Conspiracy to defraud the United States (13 counts)
Conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud (2 counts)
Aggravated identity theft (24 counts)


Just shows that it’s “who you know” that matters...

Talk about a special class of citizen. Power favors the favored, always has. Nuke ‘em all lol

justintime justintime
December 30th

Yea nice try Hmmm when the DOJ was run by Obama appointees, who'd expect any indictments. She clearly got away with things. If you think there's any such thing as equal justice when it comes to Democrats then you're clueless.


@SD "Two kids killed on Trump watch"

And please tell me how the heck this has anything to do with Trump and how it could possibly be even remotely considered on his watch. Is this really what the liberal mindset has come to? In what world would this ever be considered Trumps fault? The amount of sick people we are currently paying housing and medical care for at the boarder is rediculous, but when 2 die, it's Trumps fault? I don't see you down there volunteering your time so it is your fault.

Absolutely rediculous statement!

So sorry the air conditioned tents with tv, food, water all provided for FREE (our dime not theirs) are not nice enough for the people who are committing a CRIME...GET REAL!!!!!

Hey maybe next we should spend billions of dollars and give all the prisons silk sheets and leather couches, we have to make them more COMFORTABLE.....

But then we will complain about spending a single cent to PROTECT our border so this doesn't happen, so our tax paying people are safer...but that's a problem...you will spend all the money in the world, money that is not even yours to protect others, but won't spend anything to protect our own. How is this not completely a$$ backwards? You always protect your family first.

You are absolutely rediculous


Still waiting on any wrong doing by Trump. You get conflicting answers with the paying off of the porn stars being a campaign finance violation. You have a former FEC chairman say it isn't. A respected Harvard Law professor says it isn't. Being the womanizer that Trump is, I doubt those 2 were the only ones he paid off as a private citizen. Is it worth impeaching a President over, absolutely not. You have to come up with something real if you want to convince 2/3 of the Senate to impeach. Geez Kennedy was known for sneaking women into the White House... FDR had a mistress. Clinton was banging an intern in the oval office. But the liberals are worried about crap Trump did before he was President. You all need to get a life...


So do it Skippy.....

Those kids died on Trump's watch; they didn't die for Obama, Bush, McConnell, or Schumer. They were leaving for a better life no matter what. They came to America. They died in our custody. We own it. Like the shutdown, he owns it. Yes, liberals are whacked to have a conversation with the likes of you Mets. Either get a civil tongue or get lost. That's enough, name caller.

Of course the walls work --- but obviously not very good since you need more. How much more --- you don't know. At what cost ---- you don't know. On what schedule, you don't know. You just know "I want me a wall, give me $5B, and I will give you something, somewhere, someday." And Mexico will pay for it. With a check. No, no, via Nafta 1.1. No, no, via a extra crossing toll. And you can see my tax returns right after the audit. No, no, every year. Well, I always get audited. And I have not business in Russia except that business I have in Russia that's really not business because I became President instead so I stopped the business that really wasn't business..... No, no, I did not pay to have sex with those women. It was hush money, not a campaign pay-off so I could become President. I'm just a co-conspirator, not a real conspirator..... No, no, my Foundation is still open, send your checks to Donald J. Trumpy Bear, 666 MaraLoser Lane, Little Odessa, FL. 66606.

Skippy et al: how many drug mules, white slavers, MS-13 members, and terrorists will the WALL stop per year? I mean if e-verify wipes the illegal worker slate clean, how many of this other sort will the WALL actually stop? (do I hear jeopardy music? is this a true daily double?) I bet JR knows, he would never spend a buck without knowing what he was getting. Or Mets, he's and engineer, he never wastes money.... I bet he knows how to count..... how to estimate.....

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 30th

"A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his own party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the president is weak."

I think Donald Trump was right on this one!

Metsman, you do realise the DOJ is and was run by Republican appointees...Who put Jeff Sessions in charge? Who put Matt Whitaker in place? Rosenstein is a Republican...does not compute, Muller is a Republican...does not compute.

Quick... look... what about Hillary and her emails, lock her up. Yes that make more sense here. Lock her up because critical thinking is not something I learned in High School.


@ Stymie

tRUMP Foundation dissolved due to fraud and misappropriation by a Billionaire (?).
- Trump was charged? Oh yeah....he wasn't....pointless

Unarmed blacks killed by Police caught ON FILM MULTIPLE TIMES.
- Your a real good bench coach...don't see you putting your life on the line out on the streets dealing with what these cops deal with on a daily basis.....just sitting on your couch complaining about how others work....nice, real nice

Silence by the Republican?
-What silence? Republicans have openly talked about every single topic you have listed....oh that's right...liberals lie about what happens to make their story look better....almost forgot!

Actually, your silence speaks volumes.
- Not really being silent.....every single on of us is here posting almost every single day....sooo how this statement is even remotely relevant is beyond me....oh yeah! the liberals lie and alternate reality thing, almost forgot again!

I think we need to come up with a new designation for people as left winged as you. It's not even fair to liberals anymore to classify you, SD, a1b as liberals.....your really bringing the whole bunch down.


Hmmm,

Forget all that...lets look at a single detail....is it or is it not a known fact that Hilary smashed government property attempting to dissolve evidence?

That right there is illegal....yet she was not charged? How is beyond me and I think even you could realize how true that statement is.

The whole Trump thing is a giant witch hunt. If you claim he is a witch, he must be a witch.


Really because Rod Rosenstein is not a Republican appointee and he's in charge. Sessions recused himself. Mueller has a bunch of democrats on his team. Some worked for Hillary. Mueller also interviewed for the FBI job and Trump didn't get the job. Who knows his motivations.

Hillary's investigation was under the foresight of Loretta Lynch. They gave immunity to people that should have been charged with crimes. You don't see anyone saying these guys affiliated with Trump are innocent. We're pointing out the hypocrisy. None of those people in Hillary's camp were innocent.


"Forget all that...lets look at a single detail....is it or is it not a known fact that Hilary smashed government property attempting to dissolve evidence?

That right there is illegal....yet she was not charged? "

Maybe she had a FOP or a PBA card.....

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 30th

What do you call a witch hunt that keeps catching witches? The Muller Investigation. Maybe we should change the meaning of witch hunt:

Webster's definition of witch hunt: 1. The searching out for persecution of a person accused of witch craft. 2. the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views.

I dont think anyone is saying witch craft and I have to believe we all agree the indentments, guilty pleas ect go way beyond unpopular views?

Thought on what this should really be called?


Hmmm: We finally got a list of inditements and convictions with those just beneath DT. Do you really think DT had nothing to do with the wrongdoings? His time will come for fines and jail and impeachment.

Why won't he release his Tax Records? Why did he pay off his women just before the election? If those stories weren't squashed by The Enquirer, perhaps he, the Unqualified, would have lost the election? I bet so.

The below just spun for 5 minutes when I "submitted comment" so I'm reposting it:
________________________________________________________________

Why don't we put a wall around the whole freaking' United States, including Canada, and block even the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans from BOATS entering onto the land. And block all blacks and Hispanics and non-American-born people from entering the U.S.? what next?

don't take me seriously on this, but this is becoming crazy. $5 billion will never pay for a 1000-foot concrete wall that is 20 feet high (18 feet, excuse me). If Pinocchio got this $5 billion and used it for the construction of his wall, he will then say it's all used up after funding, what, 200 feet of Mexican wall? It's $25 Billion to fund this, NOT $5 Billion!

I'm still waiting for Mexico to pay for the wall as in his campaign promise!!!!!! "Witch Hunt" (nothing negative against Witches). But I see one Warlock in this picture.

those federal government workers in many agencies who aren't getting a paycheck and unable to go to work. now I read he is cancelling their cost-of-living pay raise, which I think was 2.4 or 2.9%. Watch them lose their homes and unable to pay their bills. what next-- those in Private Industry will not be allowed to work either w/ no pay?

G-d help this f--d up system.

Hackresident Hackresident
December 30th

"What do you call a witch hunt that keeps catching witches? The Muller Investigation"

Yeah, except it's not the witch we all know you are after....but keep trying, you may eventually get him

" the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views."

Hmm, that definition must have been added due to the current events because that is EXACTLY what is going on!

They are only looking because of the unpopular view...well lets be honest, it's the liberals continuously bitching because they don't like Trump.


darrin, I don't think you understand the definition of liberal. Google it, if you have basic comprehension skills you may come to understand you are using the term in the wrong format.

tell me what is unpopular with all these indictments, guilty pleas and convictions? if you support these I question your commitment to law, order and our county.


Elections have consequences...…..and The President's check on the Legislature is refusal to sign bills that he disagrees with. Don't sign anything that goes against what you campaign on.

twentytwenty
December 30th

"A shutdown falls on the President’s lack of leadership. He can’t even control his own party and get people together in a room. A shutdown means the president is weak."

So what does three shutdowns mean? A record weak President!

How long is the wall?

How much is the total cost estimate?

How much to maintain/operate the wall?

I am sure you know the answers since you're willing to fork over $5B to a guy who steals from charity. A guy who steals from his own donors.

It's not that he pays for sex; it that he hides it during an election and lies to the electorate when directly asked about it. It not that he does business in Russian, it's that he lies about it during the election when directly asked about it. He cheated, he won, it was rigged.

And that's before any collusion in the Russian meddling.

Question: have you checked to see how many of your fake news messages are Russian inventions?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 30th

I'm for the wall. I'm for the money coming from the defense department, who has it already, to use it for the wall. I'm for seizing all assets of those that hire illegals, and those that hide claiming they "outsourced" or "subcontracted" illegal labor.
Take all of that money and build a wall.
No additional funding required or requested.
None should be given.
Keep the Govt shut down until the money that has already been appropriated for the defense of our nation is used or cancel the shutdown.
No new funds required for this wall at all.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 30th

When you are a Republican Hammer you treat everything as if it's a Liberal nail.
When you are a Democrat Liberal Hammer, you treat everything as it is a Republican
Conservative Nail.

While you bicker those in power steal everything.

Making order out of chaos. The best opportunities to seize power and money are during chaotic times.
Create chaos, profit......

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 30th

Sorry if already posted prior.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10210961174695046&id=1524103500


Doesn’t matter kb2755. What we see is the equivalent of a (un)civil war; brains are turned off and emotional centers are full on. In other words, nothing will make sense in this environment because the only goal is to harm regardless of truth or reality. So incredibly sad...

justintime justintime
December 30th

And how about DT's friend, The Enquirer publisher, who paid off for the negative and true DT scandles on him, for these stories to be "killed" (not published), and for publishing false/fake stories on his opponent H.C.?

He got into the office on killed stories and lies, and help from the Russians. He doesn't know his political @$$, just how to fire people that he can't trust to keep "the dirt" to themselves anymore.

Denial and lies will eventually get you fined or jailed (like it did for many working FOR him), or impeached. he deserves it: it's one thing after another.

Hackresident Hackresident
December 30th

Chuck Schumer won't compromise or negotiate in good faith. He is equally if not more than responsible for the continuing impasse. He doesn't care about the government workers who are not getting paid.

Why wont the democrats compromise? What's their problem with working together?


Hackresident you’ll be waiting a long time. He’s not getting impeached. Get on with your life


Clinton paid Paula Jones $850K to go away while he was president - I don’t recall the FBI raiding his lawyers office lol.
Hey Trump got a full refund from Stormy Daniels - to the tune of 800K. That’s my president right there lads


Don’t recall anyone “ raiding” tRUMP’s Attorney’s office.
What I DO recall is the FBI executing a search warrant granted by a Judge ( duly sworn officer of the court) for what they considered sufficient evidence of a criminal enterprise.
Might want to switch from Cool Ade to Hawaiian Punch- the former is rotting your brain.


The bottom line is unless Mueller finds some creditable evidence involving obstruction of justice or something possibly treasonous involving the Russians the republican controlled senate will not convict. Everything else is just political grandstanding and party loyalty until the Mueller report is out with the facts. Let's wait and see what the new year brings.

Happy New Year Everyone!!


“He got into the office on killed stories and lies, and help from the Russians”

Lol. Would love to see the scientific method applied here ;-)

justintime justintime
December 30th

Skippy, I thought it was 290k.
How did it go up to 800k?

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 30th

Sorry for Clinton or trump - my error on trump he asked for 800 got 290 I believe.

Thanks for the refresher on the 4th amendment process stymie.


Oh, libtards. So ignorant, love watching them implode!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2018/12/30/california-womens-march-rally-canceled-over-concerns-that-it-would-be-overwhelmingly-white/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.650633026c7f

And the Chicago one has been canceled too because of its ties to antisemetic and anti-white Farrakhan piece of crap.

Happy Day!


Stymie, Cohen got raided because he was evading taxes on his taxi business which had nothing to do with Trump.


JYM,

Toxic Feminist liberals.
Anyway, a women's march, by its very nature, lacks diversity.

No common sense.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 30th

Mets,
How much money does Cohen need that he feels he has to evade taxes?

White collar crime in America needs mandatory jail time.

dodgebaal dodgebaal
December 30th

". . . . had nothing to do with Trump. "

yep to that, +1 Metsman


Just In Time: It's called "Catch and Kill". You only read what you want to read that is out there. So here it is, just in time......

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/12/national-enquirer-trump-payments-david-pecker-catch-and-kill


https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/publisher-of-the-national-enquirer-admits-to-hush-money-payments-made-on-trumps-behalf/2018/12/12/ebf24b76-fe49-11e8-83c0-b06139e540e5_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d28b8a337219

Hackresident Hackresident
December 30th

Again, YOU LIE.
Seeking documentation regarding illegal payments to an Adult film performer.
You are nothing but sad,sad apologist.
Actually, that and a LIAR.
B-bye


“You only read what you want to read that is out there.”

Actually Hackresident, I’m fully aware of that story and how it went down. I had commented previously that “hush” payments are a common and legally accepted practice, no matter how dispicable. Now payment to a news source to keep a story quiet, ok that’s good to make your point. Just know that news networks regularly hold information as they see fit, so it’s not the withholding I’d have a legal issue with but the payment to hold it.

Btw, you are aware of the Congresdional Office of Compliance? It handles legal complaints and, unsurprisingly, maintains the confidentiality of the parties involved. IOW, cases of harassment, sexual or otherwise, often against sitting Congressmen, are handled confidentially and result with disbursements meant to “settle” the disputes. Translation: payoffs to keep people quiet and protect the offenders.

I mention it only to point out that what you’ve correctly pointed out as being dispicable is extremely common and used by many, not just trump.

justintime justintime
December 30th

I think it’s great we picked up a few more thinkers that are not alt-right Nationalists. Everyday the grass roots against tyranny grows. Everday we protest the man who would be King and his less-than-open-minded followers. Plenty of alt right compost out there to sustain our grass roots. Onwards.....

Yes, JIT, the two dead kids on Trumps watch is not fair. It delivered a low blow. But Trump owns it, it is his policy. The Bush/Obama policies did not set up the situation for this to happen. Trump’s did. Yes, the parents put the kids in Trump’s harms way. Makes you think about how bad life is in these hellholes they ran from. So, blame them if you will. They decided to run for their lives. Blame the Democrats for not bending to your will (not your facts) to give you wall money without a plan. But you own these deaths. The dead baby buck stops with you. Not to mention the hundreds of families you separated that you admit will never again be reunited. Hundreds still not reunited. You created hundreds of orphans with that policy you called the law, some said they would die to defend, but rescinded his “law”with an EO.

E-verify stops undocumented workers.

If illegal working is stopped by e-verify, how many murderers, rapists, terrorists, drug mules and white slavers come into the countey across that border? Do you even know?

The 10 terrorists Trump claims, Huckabucka restated as fact, that are caught every day on the border is a lie. It’s a bogus number and not from the border. You live on these lies.

If undocumented workers are stopped, why do we need a wall? What are the numbers.

You have a few dead cops from illegals. I have hundreds this year from Americans. Beyond the anecdotal data, what are your numbers?

What problem are you trying to solve: homeland security or beating liberals? How emotional is that? Some guy even called it his uncivil war. Now that’s emotional.

I just don’t understand why JIT, Mets, Drain, skippy, and JR get so emotional to the point of obstructing the truth through obfuscation of the facts. These Republicrats just want to win at all costs. Especially the truth.

They want their $5B but can’t even tell you what the $5B will buy. So WIFM on the $5B

They want their wall but can’t tell you how long.

They know there’s more to it than a wall, but what is that? More stuff is their best answer.

“Having lost sight of our objective, we decided to double our efforts with $5B.”

“Having no objectives in mind, we decided to wall in our minds.”

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 30th

https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says

Just one of the many disgusting things done by Hilary Clinton. Talk about lack of morals!


What about what he said to Billie Bush/correspondent, that was recorded on audio tape. About just pushing in an kissing a woman when he first meets her, and something about grabbing them by the pussy...... He's a POS who has no respect for women. Hmmmmm, there are more that he's come out with. Don't you love it when he says something, then contradicts it the next day, for so many issues? I think he's mentally ill, as do many that know him, including both sides of the political coin. We aren't talking Hillary C. here, we are talking about his pre-and post crap that he's said and done.....this has nothing to do with Hillary. We're not in comparison here.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-04/billy-bush-says-infamous-access-hollywood-trump-tape-is-real/9224358

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-grab-em-pussy-video-white-house-679176

Hackresident Hackresident
December 30th

Wow, 2014 story and yet the Donster didn’t drag this one on stage with him. Wonder why?

But I agree. Its important to guage anyone’s moral fiber by judging them against Hillary. We call it the Hillarometer Scumbag Scale. Yet on that HSS measurement, Trump is still rated a subhuman status. Worse than that he had bad taste in wine, women, and song.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 30th

That's who he ran against. That's why the comparison.

And she will ALWAYS be a bigger piece of excrement than Trump.


Lets play a game...who said it; Hillary, Bush, Trump or Drunk Uncle

Anyone...

A believer in Santa?, because at 7, its marginal right, right? who says that? I would vote Drunk Uncle but sadly I am wrong...

Forget politics this is someone you want to get behind... just let this one sink in.

How about: read his words to our troops...spoiler they have gotten a raise for the last 3 decades and they did not get 10% this year. still your hero?

"You protect us. We are always going to protect you. And you just saw that, 'cause you just got one of the biggest pay raises you've ever received. ... You haven't gotten one in more than 10 years. More than 10 years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one. I got you a big one."
"They had plenty of people that came up, they said, 'You know, we could make it smaller. We could make it 3%, we could make it 2%, we could make it 4%,'" Trump told the troops about the latest pay raise. "I said, 'No. Make it 10%. Make it more than 10%.'"
'Cause it's been a long time, it's been more than 10 years. Been more than 10 years, that's a long time," Trump

You like this guy, you approve lies to our service members? Trump supporters = Traitors to America and its values... but wait there is more...


Usually we can’t remember who else ran. That’s some kinda hate some folks got going on ;-(

I mean you tore on this women politically since the 90’s. She still stands. Don’s been politically attacked since the 2010’s and he waivers. 17 investigations- state, fed, soon supreme maybe. 30+ indictments, his campaign staff leadership all guilty, everyone talking, foundation shuttered, inauguration fund disappearance investigated, unindicted co-conspirator in a felony.

You may have a made a point for me as to the seriousness of the ramifications of our political situation. Given the lay of the land, if this guy somehow wiggles free, wow, that’s gonna hurt. I mean Mueller can retire, he’s flameproof, but shoot——- from Rosenstein down, they will have to call Ken Start for job advice and referrals :-) We’ll have Ghouliani 24x7 cable commentary. I may have to change my name......nah....that’ll never happen..

Chillax. Drink some wine. You have King Trump; I have BottleKing. Life is good.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 30th

You think she would have been better?

https://downtrend.com/71superb/top-ten-examples-of-hillary-clintons-racism-the-media-chooses-to-ignore/


Nope


That's funny you telling anyone to chill ax, Stranger, funny considering YOU are on this forum nonstop carrying on like a lunatic about impeaching Trump. Take some of your own advice, and maybe lay off the sauce while you're at it.


Lunatics have been known to speak the truth LOL....

citychick citychick
December 30th

Usually when folks lose an election they prepare to run again, retire, or go back to their day job.. they don’t write books blaming everyone but themselves and their campaign strategy - that could have something do do with it.

During their run they also don’t normally call the opponents supporters a “basket of deplorables” and completely alienate them.


For 100 points...how does one get an einstein visa; do something remarkable or pose on a fur rug? I dare anyone to make an argument this makes sense...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43256318

I won a pinewood durby once in cub scouts...I think I have more clout!

Rational folks? Trumptards? I would love to hear why cheating the american system is Patriotic...

Wait....I can clear the air... Hillary and her emails, lock her up!

But wait there is more...


It’s OK, JYM, I still love ya man. Impeaching Trump? That’s your conclusion. Mine is different. But if that’s your read, bully for you.

Skippy; I’m sorry. Were you talking about a candidate alienating people by branding them? Really? You? Trumpet?

Some dogs you can’t even toss a bone to. These dogs don’t hunt. At least not without a LCM. And a Russian spy.

Hmmm +1 very funny. Brought back the Ivanka quote: priceless.

Captain Bonespurs rides again. The DRs family is talking how Dad got Don out of Vietnam. Hillary escaped too so Don’s OK with youse on this one too. Right?

I am Spartacus.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 30th

Gotta see the response on that one Hmmm.
I’m sure they’ll try.
It’ll start with “ but Hillary....”


Any construction workers out there?? I can get you some work from a nice guy named Donald Trump from NY and FL. He pays all his workers, for all his jobs, has never been sued for non payment of labor and supplies.

I wonder how the many hotels in Atlantic City were build and the skyscrapers and hotels in NYC came about, and how Marla Largo got done.

Want to be hired by DT?

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282933-report-trump-has-refused-to-pay-hundreds-of-workers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/

Hackresident Hackresident
December 30th

work for him I can't wait... how about vote for him too!!!

what's better than a lie of a fake raise and lies about years since last raise all while visiting me/those in harm's way.

maybe I can work for him and he can put my elite buddies in a security situation just to glorify twitter...

drunk uncle or trump?


what a sad thread this is....so much hatred. Happy New Year!

twentytwenty
December 30th

@SD

" You have King Trump; I have BottleKing. Life is good."

AHHAAA!!!! Knew it!!! Now quit drinking during the day!


twentytwenty. You are absolutely right. There is so much misinformation, extreme party loyalty at the expense of our country, hatred and ignorance. It does not bode well for our country.


It is sad, but the optimist in me says sometimes it gets worse before it gets better. Hopefully all this discord will eventually lead to people realizing we need to work together in love and not hate.


Must be a full moon. The liberals are out in droves...


Mel,
Hope you are right

dodgebaaal dodgebaaal
December 30th

It's the truth. It's not "Fake News" most times, it's True News!

Wag the Dog(s), know that expression and what it means?

Even several Generals are saying that he is a Liar and cannot tell the truth. Confidence and trust is lost with those that use the rationale side of the brain.

Hackresident Hackresident
December 31st

metsman you are bought of the problem destroying our country with your anger, hatred. us vs them attitude and ignorance.


merman = communist hiding as a Republican. you seem to value and worship the acts of kings or dictators.

again, I don't think you understand the meaning of the word liberal. your constant actions to brand all who have any opposing view, thoughts or facts as a "liberal" shows you ignorance.

please help us understand how Trump telling our troops they are getting a 10% pay raise, when it's only 2.9% (cola) is a good thing or acceptable?
don't worry you can respond with Obama did something or Hillary's emails first. Good luck!

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/zmd93e/trump-is-worst-perpetrator-of-false-information-in-america-un-official-monitoring-freedom-of-expression-says?utm_source=reddit.com

makes you say hmmm...


Why does Trump hold his own government hostage when he can’t get what he wants theough negotiation? It’s like the owner calling his own strike. Weird.

You have to feel for the millions who do not get any pay during the holidays and who will never get any back pay. Those apparently unloved people who make goverment run for American government workers. Cleaners, resturant workers, tradespeople and others who are not government but work to keep goverment going. Weeks without pay will sink some of these.

Now Pelosi will pass an open government bill and we get to see what McConnell does with that. You can say: Hmmmm or....

I am Spartacus, who are you?

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 31st

Metsman would you please give your definition of a "Liberal."

citychick citychick
December 31st

"@SD

" You have King Trump; I have BottleKing. Life is good."

AHHAAA!!!! Knew it!!! Now quit drinking during the day!"



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 31st

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/12/29/victor-blackwell-gumball-trump-false-claims-newday-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

Oh my !!

Hackresident Hackresident
December 31st

hmmm!! me thinks our good buddy sd; aka, symie, guilty remnant and let's not forget the infamous mistergoogle (may he rest in peace) has another new moniker here. I really liked the one where he wrote like he had just walked across the border - forget the handle though. This is his shtick folks, to try to pretend there are other kool-aid drinkers out there just like him.


Good point OldSam. He's done it before. Trying to gaslight the forum. This is one of the many reasons that makes him a life long congenital liar. There is just no end to the level of dillweedery he will stoop to further his twisted views. He's a coward, total yellow-bellied coward


Did someone really call me merman and a communist.... LMAO... the lunacy never ends...

The definition of liberal on this site are people who are deranged by Trump being in office. They go off on tangents and fail to look at history of past presidents and somehow think some of the things Trump does are new when things are clearly documented to show otherwise. When these Presidents were in office these people didn't care what was going on. But because they have a President who they don't like it's now the end of the world. They make something called therapy for that. Some of you should look into it.


Spot on, Metsman.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 31st

" . . . because they have a President who they don't like it's now the end of the world "

Very true. It's called TDS for a reason. They suffer mightily from it.


There seems to be a lot of post calling out kettles on here!


metsman aka commie aka fake patriot

here is a real definition of liberal. nice try on the nonsense that the word should mean something else on this board as defined by you.

trying getting your news and thoughts from something other than fox news (they consider themselves an entertainment company) Breitbart or infowars.

liberal from voculabary.com:

1.showing or characterized by broad-mindedness
2. having political or social views favoring reform and progress
3. tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
4. a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties

don't worry I know your small mind can't understand liberal isn't a term of defamation, insult and likely a positive when use in politics, free thinking and a progressive nature.

folks like you probably would have bashed those fight for women's suffrage or the 15th amendment.

I feel sorry for you and the cohort of below avg intelligence.


I perfectly described liberal posters on here. And the definitions you just listed may be the actual meaning of the word but you label others as communists, racists, and fake patriots when they think your views are extreme. How is that progress? That sounds like McCarthyism to me. We've reverted back to 1950's scare tactics that if you voted for Trump or support his policies, you must be a Russian bot or hate America. Broad mindedness doesn't describe liberals on this site. More like closed minded. You liberals convicted a supreme court justice with no evidence or corroboration by witnesses. You've convicted a sitting president with no evidence of a major crime. You label conservatives as racists for wanting real border protection. You people aren't for progress, you're for making this nation into a 3rd world country. You dearie lack any intelligence. Now that Ocasio Cortez loony toon wants to get rid of ALL fossil fuels by 2030 without coming up with a plan to replace that portion of the economy. You call that progress? We'll be living like it is 1750 on days where there's no sun or wind.


Your liberal web site dictionary is incomplete and lacks inclusion. All of these things are embraced by the republican party and the modern day conservative and libertarian movements :

1.showing or characterized by broad-mindedness
2. having political or social views favoring reform and progress
3. tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition
4. a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties


Actually it has a whole different meaning:

liberal
If used in a non-political sense, "liberal" simply means "a lot."
I'd like a large popcorn with a liberal amount of butter, please.

conservative
If used in a non-political sense, "conservative" simply means "not much."
I'd like a large popcorn with a conservative amount of butter, please.


there ya' go . . . fixed it for ya' . . . (no charge, (this time), but maybe you should have stayed in school a little longer)


Mets said Trump is just doing what many past Presidents have done. He says its clearly documented.

Considering how Mets spews fake news if he sources anything at all pretty much tells the tale.

Show us what you mean Mets. We need the laugh.

Show us how mandatory separation which resulted in hundreds of kids being unable to be reunited is the same for ither Presidents.

Show us where the separation policy of other Presidents led to dead kids in our custody.

Show us all those other Presidents who hid their tax returns, failed to put their businesses in trust, and did as much business with the Russians.

Show us the other Presidents who have employee turnover and scandal like this

Show us another President with this level of nepotism

Show us any President who lies more than this President.

Show us another President who had their charity foundation closed down for fraud.

Just show us examples, any examples, of your ludicrous statement. It will be a real pssh grabber, I’m sure.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 31st

Houston has the worst sulpher dioxide release of any city in America. 300 dead estimated every year. Trump rolls back Obama clean air regulations

WV has some our worst water pollution. Trump rolls back Obama regulations to stop this, companies cease cleanup designs allowing heavy ketal and other releases to continue.

Trump drops Paris Accord where 195 countries agreed to pollute less. FYI—in spite of Trump, true Americans are still reaching many if our goals here because Trump can’t get this really rolling until 2020.

Yeah, he’s just like all the other Presidents waging war on a cleaner environment. They all act like this in complete disregard of the environment in search of the almighty buck.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 31st

so much winning!
trump university, fraud closed!
trump foundation, fraud closed!

next up, trump national golf course.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/patch.com/new-jersey/bernardsville-bedminster/amp/27859230/details-emerge-fbi-allegedly-looks-trump-golf-club-nj

maybe we can build a wall around the golf course? that would help with all the illegals.

still waiting for explanation on the 10% pay raise to the troops!

also, I'm not saying voting for trump makes you a Russian but. I will say undying support for a complete POS is embarrassing.

clearly all the fraud above is in line with American values.

cheating on 3 of your wives and getting divorced is in line with American values.

that taped conversation will Billy Bush, American values.

I will stop it must be too much for you.


I don't know of the 10% raise you speak of and no one has my undying support. I and others just point out the ridiculous rants liberals like you and SD go on.

Actually getting divorced and cheating is in line with American values. What are we up to a 60% divorce rate. Unless you live in a cave in the Rocky Mountains, that's a fact.

I could care less about the Billy Bush tape because a short clip doesn't give the context of the conversation. Also why is that such an outrage when Clinton had women accusing him of things for decades and was having at least one affair while President... You have selective outrage and it's quite comical. I've been on record stating going forward with impeachment on Clinton was stupid. And what ended up happening... The republicans paid the price for it at the voting machines. That'll be the same thing that'll happen with the Democrats if they proceed with impeachment. It'll end the same way, the Senate won't have the votes and it will hurt the Democrats in 2020.


metsman, ok we cool.

here is the detail on the raise...national news

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2430111002

divorce on the rise, I give it to you. cheating on one wife after the other equals poor character.

all the fraud on the foundation and university and now an investigation into the golf club ( is is only an investigation but if we're a betting person there is a problem here)...lacks integrity

lie to our troops about pay, I don't get how anyone can support this person.

I am not outraged just disappointed in our lack of leadership and judgment as a country.

American can do better!


Or he's just a typical person with a lot of money that likes women. No one said he was a saint. We knew what kind of person he was prior to voting for him. The alternative was Hillary. No thanks. So liberals criticize others for voting for Trump when they voted for someone who's husband is also a womanizer that would have had influence in the white house and himself almost impeached. Oh the irony....


+1000 Mets.

We keep saying this over and over! It's almost like those libs refuse to hear. Who would have thought?

Happy New Year!


ok I get it. so someone who spouse that get a BJ is the same as the person who cheats on 3 wives, has kids with 3 different women and brags about sexual assult.

got, glad you folks cleared up your level of acceptance for morality.

again, can you comment on your support for trump regarding raises of 10% for our troops?

and follow up, so we are clear. trump university and foundation have been shut down for fraud now the golf course is under investigation, let me guess this is just how we do busness?


It has gone far beyond "refusing to hear".... it's now in the realm of cognitive dissonance, they have to create a fake reality in which to exist, because the actual reality so offends their normalcy bias.

I just read Warren announced her intention to run in 2020?
YES!! PLEASE!!! Run Pocahontas, run!!!!

Pocahontas-Spartacus 2020!!! DO IT!!!!!

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
December 31st

why can Mexico pay for the wall like he promised?


you nailed it hmmm - they won't get it - but you did


Hmmm you’re funny if you think Monica is the only one he was with while with Hillary. Juanita Brodderick has accused Bill of raping her for decades. Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, etc etc. how is Bill any better than Trump? At least Trump isn’t hiding the fact that he cheated.


Here come the insults to all the Presidential candidates are a-coming.,,,"Pocahontas" to start. What do the others call him if they stoop so low on the campaign trail: A lying POS ?

It isn't his time yet to be fined, jailed and/or impeached. he's President and he picked a Judge that has said that a sitting Pres. can't be tried in court now. Am I right?

Once enough dirt comes out, he won't be voted in again, THEN it will be time for jail with the other half dozen that are in the slammer due to (him!), if he's not impeached first after the Mueller Reports come out.

G-d help us, because we sure need it.

Hackresident Hackresident
December 31st

What we need is for liberals to give it a rest. 2 years of investigation and no Russian collusion. Just crimes committed by others unrelated to Trump and perjury traps set for everyone else.


I voted against Hillary after she called half of the voters deplorables.

Words have consequences……"they're dead what difference does it make now?". Now that's deplorable.

If the election where held next week Trump would win again against any liberal.

twentytwenty
December 31st

Does Warren have 1/1024% of winning? Lol!


"If the election where held next week Trump would win again against any liberal."

this is true, good point twentytwenty +1,


why hate on warren?

also, still no thought from the trumtards on lies to the military on pay raise. oh got it not on fox news so it didn't happen!


"Words have consequences" Oh come on now; can Trump voters actually say that with a straight face. Do words have consequences for you? Lies don't seem to.

"....no one has my undying support. I and others just point out the ridiculous rants liberals like you and SD go on." I can't wait till we get back to issues like you showing us an actual plan for border security instead of lamenting Bill's sex life in the 90's. Let's discuss your stupid wall, that you can't prove, via facts, that we need versus just deploying e-verify. But instead, we get words like....

"Actually getting divorced and cheating is in line with American values." because Met's value system must be based on quantity, not quality. If enough people do it, it must be good. If greater than 50% like, we like. (has he ever heard the Founders rant about mob rule....). No Met's, values are not based on the Nielsen ratings. Conservatives taught me that.

"I could care less about the Billy Bush tape because a short clip doesn't give the context of the conversation." Really? You are not quite sure the context here? These words are baffling you but say "deplorable" and you are off to the values races? I am pretty sure I've got the context of that vile conversation that I would have stopped it in almost any locker room in the land.

"..Clinton had women accusing him of things for decades and was having at least one affair while President..." well, if we are going to the "accusing' level, let me present the tawdry portions of the Steele document with golden showers or Stormy's spanking allegation. Incidentally, the Steele document's sections on Trump business and politics become more and more proven every day.

"Or he's just a typical person with a lot of money that likes women." Really? Payoffs, weird sexual acts, pussy grabbing, spanking, golden showers, groping --- where does that get fun? -- Don't get out much, do you? Kavanaugh lived in a very rich community..... No, this is not typical Mets.

But the best.....

"At least Trump isn’t hiding the fact that he cheated." Bwhaaaaat? He was asked directly during the election --- he lied. He paid hush money laundered through a newspaper publisher friend or his lawyer-fixer, made sure it was cash for concealment, denied it up until the time Cohen and Pecker turned state's evidence.

I am sorry, but Trump has cheated on his family, I would say his friends but he has none, his investors, even the Russians, and the American public, but not Mets.

Mexico will pay for the wall does not mean it's a real wall OR that Mexico will pay. Check the plan......

"We knew what kind of person he was prior to voting for him." Apparently words don't matter after all....no consequences in Trumplemania.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
December 31st

I read it as he wanted to make it 10%. Obviously it didn’t happen that way. So how do you equate that to a lie? The guy has made it a career saying how fabulous everything he builds is. This is nothing new.


Fox News doesn't put much on it to degrade or deflate DT. CNN lets us know about the crazy Trump tweets, the audio or video of what he says and does. why doesn't Fox News publish or play these?

Stop this tweeting. ... You're a damn President!!! If he wants the majority to respect him, he needs to shut his mouth. But then again, the more he says, the more b.s. he comes out with to know what's in that brain of his.

next his Golf Course will be shut down.

Obama wasn't perfect, but at least he was politically knowledgable, a gentlemen, had morals, didn't cheat on his wife, didn't act like an imbusul, and didn't flip-flop with MAJOR decisions. and he didn't degrade people, even his opponents the way DT did and still does. I never was into politics until DT came on the picture.

Hackresident Hackresident
December 31st

Mets, if that’s your read on the 10%, I think you’re working out of context :-)

He said I got you a 10% raise. And a lot more about his accomplishment being the greatest ever.

I suggest a re-read.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 31st

sd yes words have consequences. I wrote that I voted against Ms. Hillary because of her words. I chose to reject her words. ok?

elections have consequences, Obama was right... and boy are the libs hurting. I'm sad for them. I really am.

twentytwenty
December 31st

sure enough....here ya go for lies and insults about Elizabeth Warren (listen to You Tube video to the end).

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/12/31/trump-responds-to-elizabeth-warren-fox-sot-tsr-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

Also, did you know that Trump dictated the letter to his former doctor of what to write in his Medical Report prior to the election? he told him to put FALSE statements down about what great shape he was in! (and that doctor's office I recall was also crashed by the FBI.

So was DT's Accountants' office raided about 3 months ago. They're just rounding it all up until the right time. Don't you see this or are you playing naïve?

did you also know that he told his Podiatrist when he was supposed to go into the war/drafted, to LIE about have bone spurs in his feet so he didn't have to be drafted? he father arranged the lies to get him out of serving.

humm, 2 more. Why do some of these on here overlook all this? why is it okay to some? My spouse would never treat people this way, and if it did occur, I'd never put up with it- it's such a turnoff / divorce.. Would you want your spouse to treat you and others this way?

Hackresident Hackresident
December 31st

So if military service is a prerequisite to be a good president I guess Clinton is out... and Obama... and Biden... and the other Clinton... and Sanders... and Warren... and Harris.... and Booker...


SD it says ‘No make it 10 percent’ that does not read ‘I got you 10 percent’... my god you liberals reach with everything. He was speaking rhetorically if you read that paragraph correctly. Go retake English sir.


Mets - he lied about lying, just like he's done all along


"So if military service is a prerequisite to be a good president ......."

Nope ---- your cheap attempt to evade the facts.

Trump is guilty of military evasion, which is a criminal offense.

happiest girl
December 31st

military service is not a requirement, lying about bone spurs makes you a POS, then calling a war hero (mccain) not a hero makes you beyond reproach.

let that sink in, not only did he not go when drafted he lie to get out then calls out McCain.

trumpards are morally corrupt.

try this, replace Trump with Obama/Hillary and bet if you closed your eyes and had fox news report this you would lose your minds:

Obama dodged the draft by having his immigrant father get the family doctor to falsify his records that he had a bone spur when running against McCain he claimed " I don't like my war heroes captured" hell Obama even went on to criticize the gold star family of a service member who died for our country.

man Obama is a terrible person!

how about Obama on a Christmas visit (first in his 2 yr presidency) he fought to get them a rise for the first time in 10 years and that is was 10%. that liar didn't get them anything more that 2.9% and they get one every year for COLA. why would Obama do that?


Trump is guilty of draft evasion ---- which is a criminal offense.

happiest girl
December 31st

Hackresident are you kidding me I turned CNN off because they WEREN’T being truthful. I never watched FOX back then. 2 years ago every night it was a trump bashing and nothing about Hillary. They’re liberal spin. Van Jones called basically all Trump voters racist for having voted for him. That isn’t news it’s fear mongering. They twist what he says and so do the Democrats. Pelosi said he called all immigrants animals and people like you will believe that when the conversation was about MS-13 where he called them animals not immigrants. During the campaign they had you believing he called all Mexicans rapist when he said there rapists and criminals coming here and also good people. They spinned it and left off the latter part and had you believing that he said they’re all bad. I watched the videos apparently you haven’t. You don’t need to watch FOX to see what he actually said. And yes I see all of his tweets and fox does post them in articles and on tv. If you think CNN is reliable then why do you think their ratings suck... if they were a pillar of truth they’d be #1.


No we wouldn’t lose our minds like you liberals because we’re rational. Better things to worry about than military service which neither Obama or Clinton have either. I could care less.


You just don't get it, do you Metsman.

Trump is GUILTY of DRAFT EVASION --- which is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

happiest girl
December 31st

trumpards would hail to that


Come on Mets, come clean before I start quoting verbatim.

He not only lied about the 10%, he told a half dozen lies surrounding that point.

I will give you one more chance to re-read, re-tract and admit—- he lied to the military. Take a closer see look, I think you might want to walk that claim back.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 31st

Where’s your proof? How did slick Willy get out of the draft? Now you want to throw him in jail for something you claimed to have happened 50 years ago... LMAO...


Show us the “rhetorical” 10% raise.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
December 31st

hey come on it just about 2019, let's keep this about current events as orginally titled.

so in 2019 will Mexico pay for the wall so Trump can sign off on a budget? I can't believe Mexico refusing to pay for the wall has the leverage to force Trump into holding our government emplyoees hostage. those Mexican bastards!

Trump promised Mexico will pay for the wall and they won't, only one option shut the border and make our our federal employees pay for it.


How about SD pays for it since he tortures us with his posts...


Based on that article I can’t say he lied so show something else SD. He didn’t directly say I’m giving you 10%.


Its Pelosi time. First vote to open goverment thursday.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
January 1st

metsman, plus 1000+ on the Trumpard scale.

did you watch his speech? I'm not taking the 30 second sound bite from a news channel. give it a good 10 mins, come on you voted for him, he is your dog in the race, watch the show.

rhetorically speaking Mexico will pay for the wall

rhetorical speaking he will make America great again! lol

rhetorical speaking you can just grab a women by the pu!@#!

call me a lib, a Hillary supporter an Obama enthusiast, whatever your tiny mind and little hands can type. I would much rather have that label than Trumptard, Fake Patriot or uneducated.

you are exactly what Trump, Cambridge and Russia want in a citizen. dull, dumb and easily influenced by hate, fear, and your scariest monster of all...Hillary.

Biggest raise in 10 years, and 10%... it's in writing and video yet you say no evidence and rhetorical. ( please understand the 10 years is wrong and the 10 is too).

I get it ...this is how your brain works to accept Mexico will pay for the wall as a promise and now our government is shut down by trump over the wall, he took responsibility but it's the Democrats fault.

what level of education do you have?

what country are you rooting for?

just to be clear, Trump put a shut down as a failure or leadership by the president...still agree no that he is president?


What a sad, pathetic thread...

thecoach thecoach
January 1st

Kinda like our country and our “prez”; sad and pathetic. Certainly not “great”, ha ha.

Whatever Whatever
January 1st

breaking news !!

Elizabeth (Pocahontas) Warren announces her run for president

names Lewis and Clark to her 'exploratory' committee

GreyHawk GreyHawk
January 1st

Now his Nickname for Elizabeth Warren is a mentally ill Pocahontis that needs to go to her Psychiatrist. what a freakin' bully. whoever runs against him gets bullied w/ degrading nicknames and false stories created about them. now he's going to taunt her that she attends sessions with A Psychiatrist!!

Is he mentally ill? look at his eyes? are they a bit almond shaped? look at his down-turned mouth (see last link below). someone pointed this out to me recently:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_of_Donald_Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/24/health/24iht-snschiz.4325755.html

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=kLDNE0qw&id=AFC6D0F3FAEC09A4C593EC7EDF62AC96DC6FB5B3&thid=OIP.kLDNE0qwRbBTM7QWj9j4FAHaJ4&mediaurl= https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fd%2Fd2%2FDonald_Trump_August_19%2C_2015_(cropped).jpg&exph=2000&expw=1500&q=picture+of+donald+trump&simid=608015570647974504&selectedindex=1&ajaxhist=0&vt=0

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/20908370_Mental_retardation_short_stature_almond-shaped_eyes_small_downturned_mouth_and_coned_epiphyses_A_new_case_of_Hunter-fraser_syndrome


He's a bully. NO wonder so many kids find it acceptable to taunt and bully others because our President in charge of the U.S. and World affairs does this, so it must be okay..........

Hackresident Hackresident
January 1st

The Left is so horrified by these Russian deception tactics of spreading disinformation that they’re copying them to be used in our elections, which is typical behavior of the Democratic Party.

GreyHawk GreyHawk
January 1st

wow, even shortened fingers...........


https://www.rightdiagnosis.com/h/hunter_fraser_syndrome/intro.htm


that must explain "it all" mentally......physically looks like the above to an informant.

Hackresident Hackresident
January 1st

Linkedin Co-Founder: I'm Sorry I Funded A Group That Spread Disinformation During Alabama Senate Race

The fact that the Russians were the ones who tried to interfere, badly, using troll farms and fake social media pages doesn’t dissuade liberals to come down from the Trump-Russia collusion nonsense, so this myth will continue to be propped up by their allies in the media, despite their operation not being some massive feat. The social media front was a mere six-figure expenditure to Facebook. Still, liberals think this constitutes a virtual Pearl Harbor or 9/11-style attack. It’s not. Better still, is their hypocrisy over all of this. They rail about Russian interference tactics, but then tried to test them out during the Alabama special election. Gee—I wonder what the goal was.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/12/31/linkedin-co-founder-im-sorry-i-funded-a-group-that-spread-disinformation-during-n2538078?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=01/01/2019&bcid=d44cbf48eb313ab34cc5fb772ab63232&recip=21095195



from WaPo:

Internet billionaire Reid Hoffman apologized Wednesday for funding a group linked to a “highly disturbing” effort that spread disinformation during last year’s Alabama special election for U.S. Senate, but he said he was not aware that his money was being used for that purpose.

Hoffman’s statement is his first acknowledgment of his ties to a campaign that adopted tactics similar to those deployed by Russian operatives during the 2016 presidential election. In Alabama, the Hoffman-funded group allegedly used Facebook and Twitter to undermine support for Republican Roy Moore and boost Democrat Doug Jones, who narrowly won the race. Hoffman, the co-founder of LinkedIn and an early Facebook investor, expressed support for a federal investigation into what happened, echoing Jones’s position from last week.

Hoffman named a group he funded, American Engagement Technologies, or AET, as being involved in an effort to spread disinformation targeting Moore. Hoffman invested $750,000 in the organization, some of which covered its work in Alabama, according to a person close to the matter but not authorized to discuss Hoffman’s spending.

The statement left key facts unaddressed, including a full accounting of everyone who crafted and executed the campaign. The effort was the subject of a presentation in September to a group of liberal-leaning technology experts who met in downtown Washington to discuss electoral tactics, according to one of the attendees and documents from the meeting obtained by The Washington Post. This person spoke on the condition of anonymity because those at the gathering were required to sign nondisclosure agreements.

In his statement, Hoffman said: “I find the tactics that have been recently reported highly disturbing. For that reason, I am embarrassed by my failure to track AET — the organization I did support — more diligently as it made its own decisions to perhaps fund projects that I would reject.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/12/26/internet-billionaire-reid-hoffman-apologizes-funding-group-behind-disinformation-alabama-race/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1db2679f4817&wpisrc=al_news__alert-economy--alert-politics--alert-national&wpmk=1

GreyHawk GreyHawk
January 1st

Met says….“I read it as he wanted to make it 10%. Obviously it didn’t happen that way. So how do you equate that to a lie? The guy has made it a career saying how fabulous everything he builds is. This is nothing new.”

Three times I suggested Mets re-read, walk-back, and the best he can muster is “it’s rhetorical.” First, I would ask: why would any guy go to folks who are directly in harms way, every day, and say anything rhetorical about their pay? Oh yeah, the same guy who tells jokes about family separations….

You be the judge. Rhetorical or lie? And if a lie, why oh why do our guys, Mets and Greyhawk, agree that it is not a lie…… What's going on? I mean the Hawk says: “Mets – he (SD) lied about lying, just like he's done all along” basically saying Trump is truthful and I am the liar. Even after confronted on Trump’s recent lie, bolstered by Hawk full acceptance of the lie, Mets drones on: “Based on that article I can’t say he lied so show something else SD. He didn’t directly say I’m giving you 10%.” Wow, this man can’t believe his own eyes…. :>)

Trump’s “rhetorical” lies, in writing, verbatim, without any rhetorical removals: “And you just saw that because you just got one of the biggest pay raises you’ve ever received — (lie number 1 or rhetorical?) unless you don’t want it. (Applause.) Does anybody here — is anybody here willing to give up the big pay raise you just got? (you just got? what a kidder, hey Mets?) Raise your hands, please. Ah, I don’t see too many hands. Okay, don’t give it up.(a second joke, really funny, right Hawk)

It’s great. You know what? Nobody deserves it more. You haven’t gotten one in more than 10 years — more than 10 years (lie number 2). And we got you a big one. (lie number 3) I got you a big one. I got you a big one. (lies 4 and 5) (Applause.)

They had plenty of people that came up. (bizzaro lie number 1 -- wow, we're in Trump's mind now...) They said, “You know, we could make it smaller. We could make it 3 percent. We could make it 2 percent. We could make it 4 percent.” (lie number 6) I said, “No. Make it 10 percent. Make it more than 10 percent.” (well, this might be the truth that Trump said this to himself for bizzaro lie 2) Because it’s been a long time. It’s been more than 10 years. (line number 7) It’s been more than 10 years. That’s a long time. And, you know, you really put yourselves out there, and you put your lives out there. So congratulations.”

Really Mets, rhetorical? Do you say “congratulations” on the rhetorical? Delusional is more like it. I am not even sure how anyone could construct such a lie except by being in Trumplemania in your mind. Would have loved to see the facial expressions while all this was happening…..

Mets and Greyhawk can see no lies in that. None. And Skippy, JIT, JR and the rest of the alt-righters stand down and say nothing. I remember when the last proud Nationalists said nothing.

I am Spartacus, the vote to open the Government happens Thursday, without Trump’s support. He also passed on the latest compromise, no need to talk….It’s Trump’s shutdown, now millions affected.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 1st

Pocahontas-Spartacus 2020

please please please please please

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 1st

From the Daily Grind:

Pentagon to purchase thousands of battlefield robots

The Pentagon is planning to spend more than half a billion dollars on backpack-sized robots they can deploy to soak up enemy fire during times of conflict.

One of many companies in contact with the Pentagon is Endeavor Robotics, whose "Centaur bot" can perform reconnaissance and defuse bombs.

The Details

The Centaur bot is considered an "intermediary device," meaning it can perform useful tasks on the battlefield but is not capable of lethal force.

Robots with the ability to kill (AKA "killer robots") are currently under debate on the world stage.

In August 2017, Elon Musk and 115 other experts signed a petition to ban killer robots.

"Once developed, [killer robots] will permit armed conflict to be fought at a scale greater than ever, and at timescales faster than humans can comprehend," reads the petition. "These can be weapons of terror, weapons that despots and terrorists use against innocent populations, and weapons hacked to behave in undesirable ways."

The Pentagon's investment in battlefield robots is in part a reaction to similar efforts by other nations.

As Army Chief of Staff Mark Milley has warned, Russia and China are "investing heavily and very quickly" in battlefield robots. "My personal estimate," he says, "is that robots will play a significant role in combat inside of a decade or a decade and a half."

GreyHawk GreyHawk
January 1st

Apologies to The Angels

She went away and you hung around
And bothered me, every night
And when I wouldn't go with you
You said things that weren't very nice

Pelosi’s back and you're gonna be in trouble
(Hey-la-day-la Pelosi’s back)
You see her comin' better cut out on the double
(Hey-la-day-la Pelosi’s back)
You been spreading lies that were untrue
(Hey-la-day-la Pelosi’s back)
So look out now 'cause she's comin' after you

She's been gone for such a long time
(Hey-la-day-la Pelosi’s back)
Now she's back and things'll be fine
(Hey-la-day-la Pelosi’s back)
You're gonna be sorry you were ever born
(Hey-la-day-la Pelosi’s back)
'Cause she's kinda big and she's awful strong
(Hey-la-day-la Pelosi’s back)

(You're a big man now but she'll cut you down to size
(Wait and see)

Pelosi’s back she's gonna save my reputation
(Hey-la-day-la Pelosi's back)
If I were you I'd take a permanent vacation
(Hey-la, hey-la, Pelosi’s back)

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 1st

SD this coming from a guy who thinks working prototypes aren’t some kind of plan.... LOL...


JeffRep
—change it to—
ShallowHal


" I remember when the last proud Nationalists said nothing. "


LOL I think you need to cut back on your trips to "Bottle King"...

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 1st

StrangerDanger. Don't let the others degrade you and put you down. You listen with your ears and have an open mind to rationalize what he say/what he comes out with. You comment with intelligence and common sense.

The fabrications that come out of that trap is lying, cheap talk. It's all crazy. What a scum, to not pay his contractors who built his Empire in Atlantic City and NY and FL.

And he profited only a 1/2 million dollars per what I read about his tax returns. Not the billions he "lost". Did he stiff anyone in this area, who probably had to declare Bankruptcy?

Hackresident Hackresident
January 1st

I’ve just been busy - don’t take my absence for complicity In your insanity


"I’ve just been busy - don’t take my absence for complicity In your insanity"


Ditto. And I've not even been busy- I just don't suffer fools anymore.

"When arguing with fools, don't answer their foolish arguments, or you will become as foolish as they are." -Proverbs 26:4

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 1st

Re: Current Events Thread

Really Skippy --- so you don't think Trump lied to the troops. Interesting. They think he lied. Their paychecks tell them he lied. Why can't you see the truth on this one?

Meanwhile..... Two kids die on the border in US custody. Met’s says it’s just like any President. Or JIT’s Republicrats, they’re all the same. Others say, “it’s the parent’s fault for bringing them here in danger.” Yeah, after that dangerous journey, after over a week in our custody, they found the real danger that killed them. And it was us.

According to US Customs and Border Protection, more kids are coming than expected (guess they couldn’t see the caravan or how many kids were in it. Hard to tell amongst the highly accurate exact daily count of terrorists, rapists, murderers, criminals, druggies, and white slavers --- kids are too short to count…. “This has created enormous strain on our resources as we tackle the issue of how to deal with large numbers of kids" Good thing they have plans, right Mets…..I mean they gotta have plans, right? Just like the WALL.

CBP Commissioner Kevin K. McAleenan, in explaining “the plan,” said: "I've explained to Congress ... that what we're seeing with these flows, of huge numbers of families with lots of children, young children, as well as unaccompanied minors coming into Border Patrol custody after crossing the border unlawfully, that our stations are not built for that group that's crossing today," Wait….that’s the plan? Sounds like crisis description to me….it's a prototype disaster....

Here's the plan on the shelters: "They were built 30 to 40 years ago for single adult males, and we need a different approach. We need help from Congress. We need to budget for medical care and mental health care for children in our facilities." Wow, only took two deaths to figure out: “WE NEED A PLAN.” Where’s that border wall plan Mets…..

To their credit, now that the deaths have occurred, CBP will:

“Border Patrol conducted secondary medical checks on all children in CBP care and custody, with a focus on children under age 10. "Moving forward, all children will receive a more thorough hands-on assessment at the earliest possible time post-apprehension -- whether or not the accompanying adult has asked for one," Nielsen said in a statement Wednesday.
Border Patrol is working with Immigration and Customs Enforcement on surge options for transportation to Family Residential Centers and supervised release, CBP said. The agency also is reviewing other custody options to relieve capacity issues in the El Paso, Texas, sector, such as working with nongovernmental organizations or local partners for temporary housing.
Nielsen said she has asked that Centers for Disease Control experts investigate the increase in sick migrant children in order to identify steps hospitals along the border can take to treat them.
The US Coast Guard Medical Corps has been asked to assess CBP's medical programs and recommend improvements. The Defense Department has been asked to provide additional medical professionals.
Finally, CBP is reviewing its policies, with a focus on the care and custody of children under 10 -- both at intake and beyond 24 hours in custody, the agency said.”

Give us a break Mets. Tell the truth. Here was a situation of team Trump’s own making via the new Trump policies that Trump put in place in Trumplemania. This NEVER happened under Bush or Obama because their policies were more humane. The deaths were a policy decision without a support plan to handle the effects of said policy decision. Given the situation, even with advance notice of the problems, the administration was content to wait for two deaths before deciding to make a plan.

What makes you think there is a plan for border security, for the wall? If there was one, and it was transparent, you would have posted it by now….. Even JIT couldn’t find one, although he thought he had the root plan….NOT….

And yeah ---- it's CNN, so suck it in.... Trump's new policies creates many more child detentions, CBP saw the problem, did nothing, had no plan, kids died, CBP admits they had no plan, asks nation's DRs for help..... https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/26/us/guatemalan-boy-dies-in-us-custody/index.html

No plan Mets. Kids died Mets. Where's the plan for border security. And you want $5B?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 1st

HRes: I was feeling good till I read your post :>)

I just figured it was rhetorical hyperbole. Or BS :>)

They always attack the person when not able to argue the point with facts, figures, and the truth.

And I know, I did it first, I did it louder, I did it longer. Pot - kettle OR delusion.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 1st

Comical that you quote the Bible, while at the same time give undying support to a serial liar, groper and bully.
Funny.
But that’s just me.


"undying support" is extrapolation, not fact. Especially the "undying" part. But you create the reality you seek, just like SD.

As for the rest of your post:
Bill Clinton- king of the gropers (and possibly a RAPIST)
Hillary Clinton- queen of the liars, that's why many in her own party wouldn't vote for her
Barack Obama- bully "clinging to their God and their guns", "your electric bills will necessarily skyrocket"


The difference between me & you is, I see the ACTUAL reality of ALL politicians doing these things, while you are still caught in the alternate reality/confirmation bias maelstrom of "democrats good, republicans bad". Most people eventually accept the reality over time, but you are a lost cause, I suspect. A willing pawn is no way to go through life, son. But no worries- the democrat party LOVES people like you. You are EXACTLY what they want in a voter: lack of critical thought, party loyalty to the death.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 1st

So, JR, did Trump lie about the 10%.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 1st

“He's a bully. NO wonder so many kids find it acceptable to taunt and bully others because our President in charge of the U.S. and World affairs does this, so it must be okay..........”


Not just kids, but also every MSM news station, major politician, and HL posters as well..............The bulk of this thread, as demonstrated by the most recent posts, is a prime example.........

justintime justintime
January 1st

You see, when you follow politics for long enough (well, most of us), you get to a point where you realize they all suck. Both parties. And if they aren't lying, or breaking promises, or WHATEVER, before they are elected, they assuredly will AFTER they are elected. There are no exceptions to this rule.

Therefore, you can dismiss all that- which is a given- and get down to the real stories.

So once you realize politics is a GAME- and that the future of humankind is NOT at stake, at least not in the next 4 years, you can step back and take an OBJECTIVE look at the whole Republicrat mess. You might want to look up what "objective" means, since the term seems to be foreign to many of you.

At that point, you leave both parties, and generally start to get cynical. Because, realizing there's almost no way out of the left-right game of good-cop-bad-cop, you feel as if your votes make very little difference. Oh, there's plenty to bitch about... the MSM keeps us on our toes with the minutiae of a certain time period (like a 4-year presidential term for example), but that keeps you hyper-focused on the LITTLE picture. Because they don't want you to see the BIG picture, because most people are smart enough, after seeing the big picture, to run ALL of them out of town on a rail.

But some people will always remain mired in the bushes, having been fooled, year after year, to actually believe what they are led to believe, and ignoring the big picture time and time again, going to their deaths standing on party loyalty no matter what.

I personally know many people who have woken up. People who no longer like either party, because they are wise enough to finally see through the game being played. They have realized it is not right vs left, it is US vs THEM. People who have voted for more than a straight party line every election. People who have finally seen through the propaganda of the MSM: BOTH SIDES, CNN and Fox.

It's exactly how Trump got elected: democrats who couldn't bring themselves to vote for the proven liar, possibly ill, shrew HRC. Democrats who finally saw through the MSM propaganda. Make no mistake- republicans voted for Trump; many of us held our nose while doing it... but without those democrats, Trump would never have won.

And yet, the democrats seem to think it's still a good idea to double- and triple-down on the crazy extreme leftism that is Nancy Pelosi. On the hypocritical liar that is Chuck Schumer. I have far more respect for those who are openly socialist, and vote for the likes of Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez... I think they're nuts, but at least they're intellectually honest. So please- by ALL MEANS- run Pocahontas and Spartacus in 2020. Triple down baby!!! As the article I posted earlier in this thread stated, the democrat party can only go 2 ways: come back from the brink of insanity (Pelosi and Schumer outed), or turn full-on socialist/statist (Bernie and Cortez.)

What's it going to be?

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 1st

the 10%:

Did Trump lie? I have no idea if he lied or if he didn't know the facts. If he did not know the facts, somebody's head would be rolling if it were my administration, for putting me at a disadvantage. Did he lie? Maybe. They ALL do, even your beloved Spartacus, Schumer, and Pelosi.

Did Obama lie when he said "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"?

Here: let me answer that for you, to save you what must be very tired fingers:

"no, he didn't lie, it was TRUTH and FACT when he said it, but republicans changed blah blah blah and so of course it's really the republicans fault".

See? And I did the spin in only one sentence. You should try it sometime ;)

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 1st

"What's it going to be?" lock him up after he doesn't get re-elected, because then the time will be right, as Kavanaugh doesn't believe in it happening while in office.

Hackresident Hackresident
January 1st

If he lied, or he really didn’t know the facts?
Really??
Game-set-match.


JeffersonRussianBot

America can do better


No, it's an important point

JR --- Yes, Obama lied on that. Who said he didn't? Even if you, as I do, believe Obama was lied to by the insurance companies, he did not call them out so who cares, he lied. Hey, and if he didn't lie on Benghazi, he sure fudged it enough to get elected. so you got him. As you not, it happens. As I note, sometimes for good reasons, timing, changing facts, but yes it always happens. But...are all lies equal.

I believe Obama thought it true, but again, does not really matter.

Trump --- I mean this guy lies all the time. List the type of lie and Trump has hit it. Think about this latest one, the 10%. Beyond insanity, or total beyond belief incompetence, how do you come up with a lie like that. Have you no support staff? I mean he's telling people with paychecks in their hand that they got a raise. How did he expect to pull this one off?

Are you really saying this is more of the same. Don't you notice the weirdness of it all? The strangerdanger that is right in front of us. Given where he has gone with his lies, and given the magnitude of his willingness to lie, how can you support anything coming out of this guy's mouth?

This is not the same, we have crossed into a new territory of lies, deceit, cheating, theft, and once Mueller releases, much, much more.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 1st

You guys want to talk about lies? Okay........explain

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/statements/byruling/false/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/its-a-lie-except-when-obama-says-it

News flash, every single president LIES....you guys are just so butt hurt about Trump because your mind explodes if he ties his shoes wrong....yeah...you guys are THAT rediculous.

I do not deny that Trump lies, I am sure he does......difference is I can see past the blinders and know that every other president has lied to us, heck, I am sure every single person on this forum has told a lie in their life.....I am smart enough to move on from the lie and not get hung up on it wasting mine or everyone else's time all while very easily finding reality......you guys just spend countless hours and hours talking about it......give me a break!


Republicrats Darrin, Republicrats.

SD is continually surprised when someone points out that both major party’s are essentially the same: behavior (as demonstrated quite clearly by his own posts and the posts of others on these threads of hatred), deference of morality to that of democracy (the age-old holding of a gun at their neighbors head to get what they want), the exploitation of future generations for personal gain today, and so on...

The person who posted that trump is a bully has it right but neglected to look in the mirror to see the identical behaviors in the response to trumps idiocy.

Where are the adults? Not here, that’s for sure.

justintime justintime
January 1st

I only talk about it because people are believing it. Why aren’t you working with me to tell the truth? Maybe if you called, your comrades would concur and we can speed things up.

7,000 lies, some told over 150 times after the fact checkers responded with the truth. He lies multiple times a day, every day.

He lied about Mexico paying

He lied about doing business in Russia

He lied about his charity work, he stole charity monies

He lied about his groping, his affairs, his payoffs, his programatic process of hush money, his wife’s history of communism, whatever

He lied about the legality of mandatory family separation and incarceration and there are still hundreds of kids that will never see their parents again.

I can go forever on this....

I just don’t see the comparison to Obama, Bill Clinton or Bush on Trumps ability to lie.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
January 1st

It's weird how I posted this about 8,000+ lies on this You Tube video (of gumballs!)and the Trump Luvers didn't comment. Why not?

I realize what he's doing is brainwashing those without many morals with his fibs and saying what he wants his Trumpies to believe (and most do, but let me tell you that a lot that voted for him are NOT believing in him any longer. Just had a few emails from friends in the last 2 days who voted for him 2+ years ago and now can't stomach him (men and women)!!!!!!

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/12/29/victor-blackwell-gumball-trump-false-claims-newday-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

Yes, I did post that DT is a bully. and yes, I posted that many in the world believe that he is crazy, and yes, I located an illness that could fit his....well, characteristics. I wonder. I bet. Who knows. I know that he is a bully; a liar; and is ruining this country and world (even Kim Jun is posing threats to the US now).

Hackresident Hackresident
January 1st

“[People said] we could make it 3 percent. We could make it 2 percent. We could make it 4 percent," he told the troops. “I said, ‘No, make it 10 percent. Make it more than 10 percent.’ Because it’s been a long time. It’s been more than 10 years. That’s a long time.”

There's his statement. Lets pick it apart. When he says lets make it 10% he's just grandstanding. Yea it's dumb but that is Donald Trump for you. The lie if he actually knew he was lying or not is that there hasn't been a pay raise in 10 years.

He didn't lie about Mexico paying. He said they'd pay through other means, not a direct check written out to the US. A renegotiated NAFTA is a way to save

Did he really steal charity money or did he have idiots in charge of it? You have no proof he pocketed any money.

What business did he do in Russia? The failed attempt to build a Trump tower? Who cares anyway it isn't illegal to do business there.

He lied about groping? Based on what evidence? An audio clip that was most likely taken out of context? His affairs and cheating on wives are public knowledge. It's ok that Bill Clinton has had sexcapades for decades and most likely lied about them though. Now Milania is a communist... my god you reach for the stars....

You're blaming Trump for some kids not being with their parents... Why aren't these parents going back for their kids? Especially if they're claiming asylum, it shouldn't be that hard to get them after they are given a court date. Maybe a lot of them weren't really their parents...

You're as bad as CNN. The sky is falling every minute of the day...


A overwhelmingly supported plan submitted by the Republican House and Senate was rejected by Trump, after he said he would sign it. Trump then publicly stated he would proudly accept full responsibility for the shutdown, and would not blame Democrats.
So what is there to talk about? Trump owns it, so it's his burden to solve it. Maybe Trump should ask Fox News or Putin what he should do next.


JIT is right. I can not see that both sides are the same. We all lie. But there is a difference.

Each side has issues and all Presidents come under fire. It is not the same.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
January 1st

I think he should use the Magic 8 Ball for help.

It can't be any worse than his rhetoric, and bad decisions, and reversals for 2 years.

Hackresident Hackresident
January 1st

"JR --- Yes, Obama lied on that."

Ah. Now we're getting somewhere. You admit Obama lied on that. Good. And you don't care.

Trump lied on Mexico paying for the wall (or, as you say, perhaps he "thought it true at the time, but it doesn't matter). *I* don't care.

So now we're even, and perhaps we can move on...



"JIT is right. I can not see that both sides are the same. We all lie. But there is a difference."

Or not.... sigh....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 1st

"It can't be any worse than his rhetoric, and bad decisions, and reversals for 2 years."


You know what won't be reversed?

2 SCOTUS picks. :)

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 1st

JR: You're an expert on this. what are the 2 "SCOTUS" picks and who are they?

there is a thing about lying occasionally (not good for the Title), and a thing about lying constantly.

Hackresident Hackresident
January 1st

@SD "Why aren’t you working with me to tell the truth?"

Because you and other liberals try to get your point across like a bunch of 9 year old school girls?

@Hackresident "It's weird how I posted this about 8,000+ lies on this You Tube video (of gumballs!)and the Trump Luvers didn't comment. Why not?"

Because we honestly don't care!!!!! The lies are about things that really don't matter to us...they are details to a overall plan, and we don't get hung up on the details. We don't let one single little change (which you guys consider to be a lie) stop the entire train from running....it's the overall plan that makes it in the end.

And he is STILL better then Hilary!!!!!

I agree with @JR "Trump lied on Mexico paying for the wall (or, as you say, perhaps he "thought it true at the time, but it doesn't matter). *I* don't care. "

And really SD.....again with the "two" kids (out of thousands and thousands) that died in US custody.....after a how many mile trek? Dude.....you need to get your head out of the sand (or wherever you have it) I am sorry I am not compassionate about this, but you keep bringing this up with ZERO details about the kids, what it was that killed them, if they already had it, or if they came ill when in US custody....you literally know NOTHING of the situation except two kids died....and for you that is all the details you need to say "must be Trumps fault" over, and over, and over, and over again......


Darrin,

you are the definition of deplorable. he lies and you don't care. no sir you lack of intelligence is the challenge and why you accept this.

I want wrap my head around this, you endorse Trumps lies but have a problem with the truth of CVS, planning board and council.

what size tin foil hate to you wear?

trump lies are good
local government truth is bad

that's ok, rather than all of us bitch on a small forum I challenge you, if you really care, get involved. go to a town meeting run for office take action.


“you are the definition of deplorable. he lies and you don't care.”

How many lies does it take to become a deplorable?

I’m sure you know that every single politician “lies” (or rather “tells partial truths and/or withholds information to give an intended impression rather than the whole truth that might show ones position in a negative light”, aka lies) so are you too a deplorable?

So, how many lies are acceptable to you?

justintime justintime
January 1st

Darrin, Uh....all of that which you wanted to know was in the link I think and the situation description was mostly from the Trump administration. But blame me and call me names if that floats your boat.

One kid was dehydration I believe after a week in our custody. The other was flu, but perhaps not the final solution, and again, after about a weeks detention.

As the trump administration admits, they weren’t ready, the facilities are not capable, and they didn’t screen or monitor correctly. Unlike you, they rdid not try to dance around by saying two out of thousands. That’s really harsh, man.

They admit that they had no plan for this.

And they have asked DRs for support in creating the plan and process for improvements in the future.

It was all in the link in my post so I really don’t know why you have to get your panties in a bunch acting emotionally by calling me names. Why don’t you just skip it going forward. Because if you can’t discuss, just leave it alone.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
January 1st

I lack intelligence? I wear a tin foil hat?

And let the name calling begin....all because I have a different view point then you.....NICE

Did I ever say I endorsed him? Nope I didn't...i said I DON'T CARE!!!!!

You asked a question, I gave you a honest answer....and you start slinging names...typical!

3/4 or more of what you guys consider to be lies are complete B.S. anyways


darrin is a fake patriot, not caring and accepting this trumptard is what damages our country.

America can do better!


Hey, groupies like Darrin are happy campers.
They love the extra buck three eighty in their take home pay at the expense of future generations to the tune of $1.7 TRILLION to the top .0001%.
And the bonus is that they have a lying no class embarrassment in the Oval that’s a lot like then.
Good news:
Last presidential election Dems +4.3% of popular vote.
Last mid term election Dems +8.8% of popular vote.
If he lasts ( very debatable) the fat liar will be gone on two years.
The Dems will NEVER give him his wall- end of story.


we’re all KGB agents hmmm... lock your door we’re coming for you... LMAO...


What is a “fake patriot”? For that matter, how do you define patriot?

justintime justintime
January 1st

@SD "But blame me and call me names if that floats your boat" I did not call you any names, I stated how a group of people are acting, if you feel the shoe fits, that's on you not me.

"One kid was dehydration I believe after a week in our custody. The other was flu, but perhaps not the final solution, and again, after about a weeks detention. "
Okay so if this is true, dehydration from a how many mile walk his parents made him take, and the flue from a what is basically a third world country....yeah....right....all Trump's fault....you're stepping over pennies to pick up dollars. You are willing to spend whatever it takes and give these people (not citizens) who are performing illegal actions the best resources, doctors, housing and food money can buy, but you are unwilling to spend anything from keeping it from happening, I am not sure how you cannot see how a$$ backwards that is?

You do realize they were not ready for this because of the numbers right? The influx of people crossing the boarder is huge. How many people illegally crossing the boarder can we support, process, and just give everything for FREE to? Where is the line drawn? And for the record, it's not harsh...it is reality. How many kids die right next to their parents TRYING TO MAKE IT to the boarder? care to look that number up?

@Hmmm Keep the names coming....I love it.....gives the liberals such a good name!

Your right, America can do better and it's thanks to people like you, Stymie, A1B, and SD that will destroy the liberals. You make such a bad name for yourselves just by how you carry conversations (or lack thereof).

I said nothing against you, only answered a question you asked honestly and I am suddenly this horrible tin hat wearing fake patriot deplorable all because I have a different viewpoint.


darrin aka Putin patriot and metsman aka freedom hater... good work on hurting our democracy.

take the avg person... 50% are dumber than the avg person.

take 50% of that group and you now have your Trumpards. congratulations American on your broken education system.

lets invest in education rather than some nonsense wall and get this country on track again, leading the world, policing the world, bringing human rights and democracy to the world.


Darrin, SD is waiting for the Dems to implement e-verify. That's the answer to all our woes, meanwhile no is even talking about it in the House. If they are so against a wall then implement that and try to prove to everyone that is the answer. We know it won't get done and the Dems will keep saying that only women and children are crossing the border and the rest of us are racists for wanting to keep illegals out. If things continue the way they are going with nothing getting done, then we'll get to a breaking point in the coming decades where this country collapses from all the poor people coming in and collecting off the tax payers.


“Like a bunch of nine year old girls.” Nah, no names.

Find a new dog to kick. Move on. No discussion here.

And to the other folks; enough with the names and such. Love to talk issues, but crikey, you’re taking the rasy way out and you will never make any points with trash talk.

I know JIT, I’m the worst, blah de blah, whatever. But to my progressive posters, enough, not amusing, and not that clever.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
January 1st

Bwahahah! I love it!!!!!! you just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper, all while making no one but yourself look bad!

How you cannot see that it's people exactly like you that GOT Trump elected in the first place is beyond me...but yeah...keep blaming everyone else.....it looks good on you

Now, the latest from you..... anyone who doesn't attempt to destroy Trump has no education and is stupid? I hate to break it to you but with the amount of money I spent on years or education and degrees I could buy your house (if you even have one)

And for the record, the wall would be an investment in education. With the money we would save from putting illegals through school districts for free we could actually spend on the people who pay for the education they receive.

Hallelujah!!!!!!!

Good night folks!


Throw in repairing a couple of the THOUSANDS of
Bridges that are crumbling and upgrading some of the rail lines that were built circa Casey Jones and you’ve got a deal.
But wait— does the infrastructure bill come before or after the better, cheaper health care plan???
Big fat liar.


“Have we scraped the bottom of the barrel yet?”

With the recent degradation in maturity of posts I’ll answer my own question and say “not even close” lol.

justintime justintime
January 1st

Again Darrin, enough with calling names. The ole “it’s on you defense is a non-starter. And why the shout-out to 9 yr old girls? Something special you need to share? Something wrong with girls?

You keep pointing at me when I am mostly just reiterating what Team Trump is saying about the tragic death of two kids while in our custody for around a week. They are explaining their failures and needs for improvements on this one mate, not me.

I did say, and you ignored, that it is the Trump policies that caused much of this congestion. That’s why you didn’t see these types of tragedies under Obama or Bush. The fact they couldn’t appreciate the effect of the policy change just goes back to their ready, fire, aim method of management.

Wait till they see the effects of the tax mistake on the deficit, or the relaxation of EPA regulations on our national health. Once those forests are gone, and we drill baby drill, our national preservations will be no more. MAGA. Not like this.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
January 1st

What do you mean "again"??? First off I wasn't calling names, I was speaking of how a group of people conduct themselves, if you found offence...sorry...but the shoe has to fit for it to be offensive.....

Secondly get over yourself, the last message wasn't even for you, they were for Hmm who apparently couldn't conduct themselves in a manner appropriate for this forum and is terms of use and had their posts removed.

@SD "And why the shout-out to 9 yr old girls? Something special you need to share? Something wrong with girls? "

Care to elaborate on what you are alluding to?


how did your parents raise you and talk around you? did they lie their @$$es off and you took that as okay and acceptance? did they degrade each other and others around them, and demean you, and people on TV and also neighbors? THAT is deplorable!

how does your supervisor talk to you? does he lie his @$$ off? is that acceptable to you?

NO, IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE for a leader of this country to get in there with lies and unrealistic promises and bullying and degradation of all his opponents. Apparently that is his only way to get voters from the toughy bullies in this world---THEY think it's okay to act like that and he's like "one of the boys"

he has not much good character. he really is a POS from what he posts on babylike-Twitter and says in his tyrants, and says and does

There is a reason why so many can't stomach him, and he's being investigated by the droves, and the people he hired that worked around him are in jail. just remember that.

Hackresident Hackresident
January 2nd

"Throw in repairing a couple of the THOUSANDS of
Bridges that are crumbling and upgrading some of the rail lines that were built circa Casey Jones and you’ve got a deal.
But wait— does the infrastructure bill come before or after the better, cheaper health care plan???"


I'm actually all for that. The house & senate should pass a bill with $5B for the wall, and additional money for infrastructure (BTW- the wall IS technically infrastructure). The US was supposed to spend $15B in Syria in 2019. We could use that money. It's money that was already earmarked.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 2nd

"@SD "And why the shout-out to 9 yr old girls? Something special you need to share? Something wrong with girls? "

" Care to elaborate on what you are alluding to?"

Hmmm, let me see if I can put that in words you can understand: What do you mean? First off I wasn't calling names, I was speaking of how people conduct themselves, if you found offence...sorry...but the shoe has to fit for it to be offensive.....

Does that help, make you feel better?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 2nd

I'm starting to believe liberalism actually is a mental illness, if this thread is any indication...


"Turns out liberals are the real authoritarians.

The American Journal of Political Science published a correction this year saying that the 2012 paper has “an error” — and that liberal political beliefs, not conservative ones, are actually linked to psychoticism."

https://nypost.com/2016/06/09/science-says-liberal-beliefs-are-linked-to-pyschotic-traits/

...and this was from 2012... it's only gotten (far) worse since then, by adding TDS to the mix...

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 2nd

YUP https://youtu.be/RhT51tmUE0E


LOL, 4catmom.

Hackresident Hackresident
January 2nd

Ah... I see the post I was referring to, about Romney judging Trump's character, has been removed by the poster... interesting.....

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 2nd

With the nation so divided, resentful and angry, presidential leadership in qualities of character is indispensable,” Romney wrote. “And it is in this province where the incumbent’s shortfall has been most glaring.”

Romney said he had hoped Trump “would rise to the occasion” but that the president “has not risen to the mantle of the office.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romney-the-president-shapes-the-public-character-of-the-nation-trumps-character-falls-short/2019/01/01/37a3c8c2-0d1a-11e9-8938-5898adc28fa2_story.html?utm_term=.013d3df1c072


I'm happy to see someone of Mitt Romney's stature coming into the Senate.


There it is!!!! It's back!!! the "animal cruelty" Romney being a judge of character!!! That's rich, coming from a liberal!

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 2nd

@SD

Yup it does make me feel better actually....the shoe does't fit, so now that I know you were not in fact talking to me, we are good!

You can be so confusing sometimes!

Thanks for the clear up


JeffersonRussianBot, again you and others seems to think liberal is an offensive word.

words have meanings and facts matter.


Asked whether he would work for the president, McChrystal, the former top commander of U.S. and international forces in Afghanistan, explained why he would not, calling Trump “shady” and “immoral.”


https://www.latimes.com/world/la-me-ln-new-migrant-caravan-20181227-story.html

Activists are frantically organizing another migrant caravan and they plan to depart Honduras on January 15th


"Ah. Now we're getting somewhere. You admit Obama lied on that. Good. And you don't care." Not sure where you have been, but I "admitted" to that on day one, well, maybe day one after the election :>) Not sure where you came up with the fact that I did not care, seems like you are fabricating again. I did say that "I do, believe Obama was lied to by the insurance companies, he did not call them out so who cares, he lied." Now if you took from that I did not care about a lie, well, that's your read, that's not what I meant.

Now in your case, you said "Trump lied on Mexico paying for the wall (or, as you say, perhaps he "thought it true at the time, but it doesn't matter). *I* don't care." Again, I did not say "thought it true at the time," I don't think... But you, and Darrin, certainly did say "*I* dont' care" when it come to Trump's lie. And it was a big lie.

SD said: "JIT is right. I can not see that both sides are the same. We all lie. But there is a difference." JR responded: "Or not.... sigh...."

Really.... so what are you saying: are you saying that we all don't lie --- certainly you can't mean JR...And, if we all lie, there is, "Or not," a difference in different lies? Really, nothing, just a "sigh"??

Because if you think a President who has lied 6,420 times over 649 days, about 10 lies a day, about 1 lie every hour of the working day, is BAU, SOSO, and just like the rest of our Presidents------ come on ---- tell the truth. Or prove it. Because it really seems that you and Darrin are lying to yourselves, and others, about this.

According to WAPO, Trump was on a 5-lie a-day fasting during his first 9 months of office, but ramped up to his 30-lies-per-day fighting weight during the midterms. He sometimes comes close to hitting 100 per rally, good to be amongst brown-shirt believers.

Now we have a new Trump lie meter levels since, with a lie database this yuge, we can categorize by all sorts of variables. Greatest hits, frequent flyers, ridiculous repetitions, all sorts of categories to choose from. Or by type: white, compulsive, out of context editing, broken promise, fabrication, bold-faced, exaggeration, deception,and plagiarism; Trump has hit them all.

The best part is watching you all explain, in your own words, what Trump actually means, in your own minds, because let's face it, no one else knows.

"I will build a big, beautiful Wall along the border"
well, not necessarily a wall, maybe some slats because I want to see what's on the other side (like we don't have any other technology for that.....), or maybe a fence....and not the whole border, just where it is needed, which I don't really know but will tell you once I find out....

"and Mexico will pay"
well, not with a check really, but based on the extra profits from Nafta 1.1 which is the same as Nafta 1.0 but I renamed it and updated it. It might bring some extra profits, who knows, except Trump flowerers who believe in miracles and puppies.

"to keep out the rapists, murderers, job seekers, terrorists, human traffickers, sick kids, and drug mules" except we don't know how many that is. We have heard some terrifying accounts however and based on those, without any factual, statistical, knowledge as to how bad the problem really is, we really must wall ourselves in. We do know that job seekers are 95% of the issue and that e-verify STOPS that cold. But hey, forget about it, we need a wall first to keep those 11M undocumented workers here.

And by the way, Trump fixed that "you will be able to see your same DR" problem. TrumpCare replacement of ObamaCare will be EZ. It's a cake walk.

It is all the same. Same as it ever was. I think we have a Captain Oblivious moment here, myself.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 2nd

Skippy- does this “caravan” bring us Smallpox and Leperacy also?
Or has tRUMP and Faux News instructed you to up it to the Bubonic Plague, Whooping Cough and Polio??


Did we ever hear of Caravans from Mexico before him -- 1/6/17?

Hackresident Hackresident
January 2nd

Didn't Mexico offer to pay for Trump's psychiatric evaluation and treatment.? If so I think we should take them up on it. But there's not enough Mental Health Care Professionals to figure out his crazy racist lying brain.


SD- StrangerDanger or SpinDoctor? That last one was like a kaleidoscope!

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 2nd

He promised that "Mexico will pay for the Wall" before he got elected, yet Mexico said before he got voted in that they weren't.

So what does that say? Those that voted for him (because) of the Wall should have listened when Mexico said he was lying!!

Hackresident Hackresident
January 2nd

Lying about lying is the rigueur de jour for the libs. They lie about lying all day long till the cows come home. Even the WaPo and NTYs lie about lying.

Who makes the call that something is a lie? The libs? lol Who checks the 'fact checkers'?

GreyHawk GreyHawk
January 2nd

Republicans like Trump are very concerned about curbing undocumented labor...


Except for the ones they hire and exploit...


The wall is something that Republicans want. Healthcare for the American people is something that Republicans don't want.

Republicans shut down the government in order to get things they want, or prevent things they don't want.


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/democrats-flip-flop-on-border-security-has-everything-to-do-with-2020-and-nothing-to-do-with-immigration

In 2009, while speaking at Georgetown University, Sen. Schumer, D-NY, said “illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple.” Indirectly referencing over 600 miles of border fence that had already been built, he literally claimed it was a “significant barrier to illegal immigration.” This is exactly President Trump’s position about completing the border wall, almost word for word.
Schumer is also on record, and on video, as having said, "One of the most effective things we do on the border is turn people back … they get up to the border and we find them and say, 'go home!’" Again, this is President Trump’s position, almost word for word.
House Minority Leader and incoming Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., also had a different position on borders. In 2008 she said, “Because we do need to address the issue of immigration and the challenge we have of undocumented people in our country. We certainly do not want any more coming in.”

Now a wall is immoral and you're a racist for wanting it. LOL... Liars right SD? Their lie count must be pretty high at this point.


i guess you own the thread now hmmmmmmmmmmm ?

GreyHawk GreyHawk
January 2nd

The last time the government was shut down was for 3.4 Billion over healthcare. The Republicans said we couldn't afford it.

We cant afford 3.4B for health care, how can we afford $5B for a wall?


Hmmm...all good, consice points.
Hold on to your hat.
The tRUMPanzies will only be able to counter you by:
Darrin- —the wall will pay for all- education- Health Care- space force, etc.
JeffRep—but Clinton...but Obama...(aka the GOP way back machine)
Skippy—-disease riddled caravans from the south
Muttsman—tRUMP’s conduct is totally acceptable.

As Claude Rains stated in CASABLANCA- “ the usual suspects”.


"but Clinton...but Obama...(aka the GOP way back machine)"


That's hilarious coming from the side that screamed "it's Bush's fault!" for 8 years.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 2nd

The people will come and you'll pay for it if you're among the 53% who actually pay Federal Taxes.

I'll bet that more of the 47%(non-taxpayers) oppose the wall than support it. And why not? It costs them nothing and makes them feel so warm all over.

twentytwenty
January 2nd

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-rep-johnson-compares-trump-to-hitler-in-fiery-speech

This guy is an idiot... Last time I checked Hitler's reign caused the deaths of at least 6,000,000 jews and many other groups. There's also the deaths caused by WW2 that were catastrophic that he initiated by invading European nations trying to take over the world. To make this comparison is beyond idiotic. Trumps trying to pull us out of conflicts not create more. The anti-immigrant crap is funny too considering Melania and his first wife Ivana are both immigrants. He's anti illegal immigration as we all should be. You want to talk about lies, these are DANGEROUS lies. I could care less about crowd size lies and other petty lies Trump may have said. When you are coughing up total BS like this that can cause riots and other bad things, that I have a problem with. But again I'm sure the media doesn't keep a lie count with anyone else. We're just supposed to believe other politicians are boy scouts and that Trump is evil.


Re: Current Events Thread

Breaking news:

Large caravan of NJeans observed headed for Pa border seeking asylum as Gov Murphy ruins the state

GreyHawk GreyHawk
January 2nd

Mets is all too funny calling me a spin DR.

Calls Schumer amd Pelosi and Schumer out for “indirectly” supporting the wall in the past. Except they didn’t, not even “indirectly, Mets made that up and then posted a link where neither support a wall, they do support border security. Nice spin Mets.

Then JR blames the entire liberal clan of blaming Bush for eight years. But, of course, no links, just hyperbolic spin. No one blamed Bush for eight years. Certainly not every liberal. Nice spin JR.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
January 2nd

And the race to the bottom continues....

Lots of Mini-Trumps here throwin’ down the hate! How low can we go here? C’mon folks I think you can do better! Let’s keep giving Trump a run for his money!!

justintime justintime
January 2nd

"Turns out liberals are the real authoritarians." This is an example of someone trying to use a scientific paper to back up a pre-existing opinion where the paper - or rather the correction - doesn't at all mean what you obviously want it to mean. There is plenty of info available on this paper that explains the problems with it. Here is one example from a prominent statistician:

Andrew Gelman, a statistician at Columbia not involved with the work, to explain the AJPS paper to us. He said:

I don’t find this paper at all convincing, indeed I’m surprised it was accepted for publication by a leading political science journal. The causal analysis doesn’t make any sense to me, and some of the things they do are just bizarre, like declaring that correlations are “large enough for further consideration” if they are more than 0.2 for both sexes. Where does that come from? The whole thing is a mess.


SD I copied quotes from the article. go on youtube and find the videos as well. I didn't spin anything.


As we move towards the third week of the third government shutdown in Trump’s two years in office as the master dealmaker who can't make a deal without force,, Democrats provided a proposal that Trump immediately shut down and, instead, Trump offers a White House meeting for a border security and the TrumpWall briefing. WTH is a briefing? A verbal beating without weapons? Pelosi's and Schumer's last meeting there shut down the government even with Trump’s clever camera staging for the event. What will this outcome be?

Trump cancelled all pay raises for civilian employees. Luckily this does not affect the 10% rhetorical raise for the troops. Our brave children protecting us still will not get what Trump so boldly, so rhetorically stated. Unemployment offices in DC will be opened longer to handle the hundreds of new claims.

And the two kids on the border are still dead. Darrin says those deaths are like: “you're stepping over pennies to pick up dollars” whatever that means.

Thousands of Federal Workers continue to work without pay, the Federal Employees Union is suing Trump over the legality of working without pay.

Businesses located near Federal facilities like National Parks, Government buildings are suffering the worst as well as anyone expecting a Government business loan. Agriculture is an industry that will be hard hit over a lack of loans and don’t expect any rebates over the tariffs, those farmers are out of luck. The Smithsonian and National Zoo will close today; that’s nine different Museums. Most Americans haven’t felt the effect but those who believe in trickle down understand the longer-term effects. But 9 Federal Agencies have been running on fumes using leftover budgets and petty cash which runs out this week.

Parks are closed but people are streaming in given zero enforcement. Trash cans overflowing, porta potties overflowing, you name it. At this point, there’s barely a working toilet to be found. Yosemite is piling up with garbage and human waste.

EPA will shut down this week ceasing all monitoring and enforcement activities giving polluters a free hand. They call it amnesty. It’s a blip, but folks with stockpiles of hazardous waste know there is no enforcement at this time, just like Park goers know the toilets are not being cleaned so it’s time to dump outdoors…..

Federal Courts will close January 11.

Don’t expect to know what’s happening, most websites can’t get current information. Best rule: don’t go to Federal facilities at this time. And certainly don't trust any "hours of operation" information. Not like it is being updated.... :>(

From Nero Trump:
"HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE HATERS AND THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA! 2019 WILL BE A FANTASTIC YEAR FOR THOSE NOT SUFFERING FROM TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME," the president wrote on Twitter. "JUST CALM DOWN AND ENJOY THE RIDE, GREAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING FOR OUR COUNTRY!"

Wonder if he played a fiddle with those cap locks on proclaiming his hated villains and fellow countrymen as Washington is burning, burning, burning. Yes, the Great Demeaner knows how to bring folks together……

Gonna be a great meeting at the White House.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 2nd

Clinton shut down the government for 27 days one time SD. Let's not act like this is something that is unprecedented. The Dems could easily strike a deal, they just don't want to. Trump would easily approve a deal for DACA people. I bet he'd even approve a path to citizenship for law abiding illegal people already here. So for people who say he's so anti-immigrant.... nope. I say the Republicans in the House deny Nancy the votes for being Speaker if they want to continue playing games. The Dems are just interested in wasting more money on investigations and pushing for impeachment. They're a joke. That isn't what people voted for them to do.


"No one blamed Bush for eight years."


You've missed your calling as a comedian, Spartacus.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 2nd

Yup Greyhawk. That's about right.


Maybe he's mentally 'off', putting it nicely.

He likes to make his magic wand move and make the rivers part into turmoil.

Interesting how he's hired illegal immigrants with fake IDs at his Trump Golf Course. Apparently he didn't check too well at all! I read that his neighbors don't want him there either, in Bedminster.

Hackresident Hackresident
January 2nd

""No one blamed Bush for eight years."
You've missed your calling as a comedian, Spartacus."

Really. So you are saying I blamed Bush for everything over an 8 year period.

OR

Are you saying I blamed Bush for a number of things over 8 years

OR

Are you saying when I blamed Bush, I continued that blame for that thing, for the entire 8 years (in which case I still blame him).

AND THEN

Are you saying all liberals think alike and blame Bush for everything for all eight years. Because all liberals did not blame Bush for everything for each of all of the eight years of Obama. You are wrong on that although that was your claim, I believe.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 2nd

Now that you brought that up, JR....


“Lying about lying is the rigueur de jour for the libs. They lie about lying all day long till the cows come home. Even the WaPo and NTYs lie about lying. Who makes the call that something is a lie? The libs? lol Who checks the 'fact checkers'?”

Now that’s a critical thinker :>( Open minded too. At least I read you stuff, assess, and then post facts as to why people are lying. And I usually give you a shot at re-checking and walking back… Of course I could have gone with: lol, who checks the checkers who ask who checks the fact checkers. Or...why does the sun come up in the morning...… Just kind of pull it out of....the air....like you.

Speaking of which, read the FAUX NEWS story again Mets. You will see the words “Indirectly referencing over 600 miles of border fence that had already been built, he literally claimed it was a “significant barrier to illegal immigration.” That’s your proof. “indirect referencing,” which “literally claimed support.” Now that's a set of weasel words even Hillary would be impressed at. Ghouliani can't even reach that level of the tenuous grasp on a fact.

Mets, these are clearly spin words where FOX does nott have a verbal support for the TrumpWall from Schumer. Or any Wall. Or from Pelosi. Or from Hillary. They are all for border security though so FAUX cleverly spins the words to get you to jump to your conclusion. And that was a decade ago. I would hope technology advancements might have changed whatever people thought at that time anyway. Like using drones for example…

The article shows Pelosi’s turnabout on the wall when she says: ““Because we do need to address the issue of immigration and the challenge we have of undocumented people in our country. We certainly do not want any more coming in.” Oh yeah, the wall is all over that…

And for Hillary, the absolute proof of the fact of the matter of TrumpWall support: “We have to send a clear message that just because your child gets across the border, that doesn’t mean your child gets to stay. We don’t want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or encourage more children to make that dangerous journey.”

No wall. FOX spin. No surprise. Mets accepts it and spreads the lies.

Now, obviously, everyone wants border security, modern revised immigration laws, documented workers only, and magically solving the issue of the 11M here, some for over a decade. A wall, a fence, may be part of the solution, but it is not THE FINAL SOLUTION. We are not against walls, we are against the TrumpWall which, frankly, no one understands what it is, nor how it fits in an overall border security and immigration plan. And that’s no spin.

And if you think this guy has a plan, then you believe him.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 2nd

tRUMP’s New Year’s tweet.
Right up there with Kennedy’s Inagural and the Gettysburg Address.
(as tRUMP’s “Base” begins to melt away like Frosty the Snowman)


So why do the self-funding museums close?

I can understand closing agencies that don’t directly charge admissions or collect fees from the public, but museums?

Oh, I forgot: Gotta affect the public with the shutdown to get them emotionally charged, just like every other manipulation lol.

justintime justintime
January 2nd

For the record, I blamed Cheney, not Bush!


You're the one spinning it SD. Those politicians wouldn't dare say those things today. It doesn't fit their narrative anymore. What do they consider border security? I'm sure Border Patrol already uses drones. Drones are used it a lot of applications. You need a structure people can't climb over in 20 seconds and then run away into the country before agents get to the location. Why do you think there are according to current estimates up to 22 million people living here illegally? Sure maybe half are from overstaying visas. That needs to addressed as well. The so-called border security the Dems like isn't working that well. The guy who killed the cop last week was deported before. The guy who killed Kate Steinle was deported 5 or 6 times. So what's allowing these people to get back here? Those 2 guys are criminals. E-Verify does nothing to keep them out. MS-13 doesn't care about E-Verify either. Drug traffickers don't care about E-Verify. Human traffickers don't care about E-Verify. You need a combination of everything. No one thing handles it all. You need a competent structure that's hard to climb not a fence anyone can climb. You need tech. You need agents. You need E-Verify. All these combined, problem solved. The people who overstay visas, that'll require authorities to find these people and have them face a judge and figure out what to do with them.


" https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-rep-johnson-compares-trump-to-hitler-in-fiery-speech

This guy is an idiot... Last time I checked Hitler's reign caused the deaths of at least 6,000,000 jews and many other groups."

Just to be a little fair to "this guy", I think he is comparing Trump to Hitler at the beginning of Hitler's chancellorship, when he hadn't killed anyone, and no one could imagine the horrible things that would happen down the road. But the direction was looking worse by the day.

But even so, everyone, don't make the comparison!


Smithsonian and National Zoo are free admission. JIT. I really doubt they are self funding

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
January 2nd

Mets: we were talking about your “facts” which were spun. Saying that they wouldn’t dare say that today is a red herring and your assumption; we were talking about what Faux News said they said, the spin of what they said and what you gleefully repeated; spin.

And your assumption that they wouldn’t say it today is provably wrong; they repeated last week they were for additional border secuity; they put a compromise bill of $1.3B up but President Coulter-Trump wouldn’t deal. So I think you were wrong in your repositioning of the Faux spin from decades-old staements to the present date.

22m is an alt right Nationalist number and ficticious. Only off by 100%.

You still have to tell us how many MS 13, white slavers, rapists, robbers, terrorists and lepers will be stopped per year by your wall. Still waiting after frequent requests. The number is in your plan I bet. Or we can build the wall to save two cops out of the few hundred killed each year. Of course, two dead kids in our custody don’t matter. Not trying to be flip here, its just that you have no statistics on the crimes, no budget fir the wall, no expected results from the wall, no idea how many you’re trying to stop. Heck, you couldn’t get a loan from the corner loan shark on that plan.

So tell us Mets, how many bad guys will your wall stop. How many are coming.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
January 2nd

SD you really do live in an alternate reality. We have posted articles nonstop about illegal criminals killing people and it’s far more than 2 dead in the past year. A cop was killed last week, 2 other people died 2 weeks ago from a crazy illegal who went on a rampage, NJ released an illegal a month ago that killed 3 or 4. The articles were posted. I could do extensive research and post as many articles from the past month as I can and you’d still dismiss that it is a problem.

You’re not an engineer and have no clue how the process works. They have a plan in place. The prototype builders know what each section of wall would cost. That is part of the design process knowing what things will cost. There’s one thing I can’t stand about a person and that is someone who pretends to know what they’re talking about. You can’t even admit Trump knows more about building stuff than you. The guy has been building stuff for over 40 years. You think he builds a Trump tower without knowing the cost. Good god man you sound silly.... since you’re so knowledgeable come do my job for me tomorrow. You think you know more than everyone. You should be able to do anyone’s job. LOL...


@SD "You still have to tell us how many MS 13, white slavers, rapists, robbers, terrorists and lepers will be stopped per year by your wall. Still waiting after frequent requests. The number is in your plan I bet. Or we can build the wall to save two cops out of the few hundred killed each year. Of course, two dead kids in our custody don’t matter. Not trying to be flip here, its just that you have no statistics on the crimes, no budget fir the wall, no expected results from the wall, no idea how many you’re trying to stop. Heck, you couldn’t get a loan from the corner loan shark on that plan."

Oh you mean like your stance on new gun laws? Rigggggghhhht....that's what I thought

And two quick things.....spin doctor....never once did I say the two deaths did not matter, I said they were not our fault so stop putting words in my mouth

And secondly, its stepping over dollars to pick up pennies...my bad but it should make more sense now


In 2018, at least 376 undocumented democrats died while crossing the border from Mexico into the U.S. or shortly thereafter.

International Organization for Migration’s Missing Migrant Project.

https://missingmigrants.iom.int/region/americas?region=1422

214 men, 20 women, and four children. In addition, 138 sets of remains could not be classified by age or sex. Forget about E-verify.. how about we fix The system. To do that we need to remove the access. It’s really that simple.

Think of the children! If the wall saves just one life..

(eyes of an angel plays in the background)

“for just 200k a day you can get our border wall built and save these children”


Former NY Times editor rips Trump coverage as biased

Former New York Times editor slams publication as being unmistakably anti-Trump, younger employees throw out standards

A former executive editor of the New York Times says the paper’s news pages, the home of its straight-news coverage, have become “unmistakably anti-Trump.”

Jill Abramson, the veteran journalist who led the newspaper from 2011 to 2014, says the Times has a financial incentive to bash the president and that the imbalance is helping to erode its credibility.

In a soon-to-be published book, “Merchants of Truth,” that casts a skeptical eye on the news business, Abramson defends the Times in some ways but offers some harsh words for her successor, Dean Baquet. And Abramson, who was the paper’s only female executive editor until her firing, invoked Steve Bannon’s slam that in the Trump era the mainstream media have become the “opposition party.”

“Though Baquet said publicly he didn’t want the Times to be the opposition party, his news pages were unmistakably anti-Trump,” Abramson writes, adding that she believes the same is true of the Washington Post. “Some headlines contained raw opinion, as did some of the stories that were labeled as news analysis.”

What’s more, she says, citing legendary 20th century publisher Adolph Ochs, “the more anti-Trump the Times was perceived to be, the more it was mistrusted for being biased. Ochs’s vow to cover the news without fear or favor sounded like an impossible promise in such a polarized environment.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-n-y-times-editor-rips-trump-coverage-as-biased?fbclid=IwAR0dO1L1FEz9IUcSoSAftBZ-Pgyl7lVqXNBgT0wbcU-7GJ6fm_VKzZzTHfs

GreyHawk GreyHawk
January 3rd

"So tell us Mets, how many bad guys will your wall stop. How many are coming."


IDK the exact figure, but it will stop a hell of alot more than NO wall.

Obama has a wall/fence around his DC home ...

We have state troopers, they cost us money, they only catch a small handful of people that commit violations. We have police, they cost money, they only stop a small amount of crime...(and are not even constitutionally bound to protect us)

We all know hat this is really about: it's not about compassion, or racism, or asylum, it's about not allowing Trump to get any more points for continuing to keep his campaign promises, especially with the left being bent that he got 2 SCOTUS picks (so far). This is nothing more than a game of "no-you-can't-have-it-because-I-said-so", even by Schumer who voted FOR border security, before he voted against it.

We all also know that most of the these illegal aliens, once legal, will vote democrat.

BTW- here's another good reason for the wall: 26% of our federal prison population are illegal aliens,

"The Bureau of Prisons is responsible for the custody and care of federal inmates. As of December 2017, BOP has custody of 38,132 known or suspected aliens. This represents approximately 21 percent of the total BOP population — meaning that one in five BOP inmates is an alien."

Which- BTW- also COSTS MONEY. Forget about the additional safety of not having them here in the first place, WE are paying for them to be incarcerated.

Build the wall: more safety, less money.

https://cis.org/Huennekens/DOJ-26-Federal-Prisoners-Are-Aliens


Speaking of walls, perhaps NJ should build one to keep people IN:

http://newjersey.news12.com/story/39721870/so-long-garden-state-nj-ranks-no-1-in-most-movedfrom-states-in-2018?fbclid=IwAR25qaaomFQnXbdYn-U6ancHsfK8WUwUJhQCJXvr1itjUhj2ewm3An2ytkA

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 3rd

"So tell us Mets, how many bad guys will your wall stop. How many are coming."

Define “bad”. This is important because so many in the news who discuss this subject don’t even give it a moments thought.

“Bad” people break the law. Whether it’s murder, theft, speeding or entering the country illegally, if you break the law there’s a penalty. Some folks think that if your very first act upon entering our country is to break the law then yes, you should be punished for it.

Remember, the discussions in this thread are about *illegal* folks, not those who come here by following our laws. And if it’s our laws that you believe are in error then work to have them changed by addressing our Congress (the body who makes laws). But don’t ignore them as if they don’t exist.

justintime justintime
January 3rd

3.8 million African American children in America are living in poverty.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/07/14/black-child-poverty-rate-holds-steady-even-as-other-groups-see-declines/

Meanwhile the democrat party is completely ignoring them (just as they have done the past 30 years). Why are they making Americans live in 3rd world conditions while giving 3rd world criminals a priority?


My last gift of the Holiday season?
Watching the Coward in Chief get ground into dust in a negotiation by...by...a woman!
Har Har Har!
Ain’t that poetic justice!
Misogynist of “ Art of the Deal” fame getting pegged for all to see by the new Speaker of the House.
Please, respond slowly Nancy, make it last.


"Meanwhile the democrat party is completely ignoring them....." Uh, the Democratic party has not been in power for over two years. Beyond riding the wave of full employment as second class citizens with less than full employment, what has happened in those two years that the Republican Party has been in total control?

Meanwhile....Trump’s tale of Mandatory Family Separation and Incarceration policy is not over yet. Not by far.

“The federal government has spent $80 million to care for and reunite migrant children who were separated from their parents by immigration authorities, a figure that continues to grow months after the policy ended because more than 140 children are still in custody.”

“It has been at least seven months since the Trump administration began traumatizing thousands of families and they still have not fully resolved this tragedy,” Congressperson DeLauro said.

“The parents of 30 of the children have been declared “ineligible” for reunification based on their criminal histories, though immigrant advocates have argued that some parents were unfairly included based on old or minor convictions that would not affect their ability to safely care for their own children. The remaining 117 detained children all have parents who were deported without them, according to the report.”

99 of the parents would rather their kids stay here than return home. 11 of the kids have parents that were here, but now can’t be found. And 7 will be returned home.

When you leave your kids in these incarcerated conditions instead of bringing them home to your current condition, IMO that says a lot about the condition their condition is in. FYI: these parents were not found by the government, Trump had no plan for that, but the parents were found by brave American patriot volunteers. Trump couldn’t even clean up his own mess.

“Last month, the Department of Homeland Security’s inspector general issued a report stating that the agency had begun its enforcement effort when it was “not fully prepared to implement the administration’s zero tolerance policy or to deal with some of its aftereffects.” Gee, Mets, it almost sounds like Trump started without a plan….. Go figure. Where’s that wall? How long? How much $$$ to complete? It’s like Atlantic City all over again.

“A second report, published in October by the Government Accountability Office, said that the Trump administration did not tell key government agencies about the zero tolerance policy before publicly announcing it in April, leaving the officials responsible for carrying it out unprepared to handle the consequences.” Now, there’s a comprehensive plan for you Mets. Just like your Wall that you know nothing, yet everything, about.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/us/family-separation-migrant-children.html

NTW, it's the NYT, so Greyhawk says: it's fake, it's biased, so all must be well. If you don't look, you can't see. If it's to be, it's up to me. I am Spartacus. You can be Spartacus too. We all can be Spartacus.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 3rd

http://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/liberal-revolt-threatens-to-derail-house-democrats-on-their-first-day-in-charge/2019/01/02/691a4976-0eaa-11e9-8938-5898adc28fa2_story.html

Except the new socialists in congress are rebelling against her lol


SD don't even go there with the Republicans were in charge nonsense. You know full well the Senate needs 60 votes to get things passed. With 51 Republicans and no Democratic support, of course certain things like the Wall and other immigration stuff weren't going to get done. Take your horse blinders off... The House did pass border wall funding only for it to get derailed by Democrats in the Senate. Even with a couple more Republican seats for this session of Congress, it won't get done without Democrat support.


Skippy the question is why are the Republicans ignoring them also....Reality everyone ignores them....They can't vote so they don't matter....I worked in Social Services for over 35 years, trust me when the cuts come NUMBER 1 for cuts seniors and children...

citychick citychick
January 3rd

There would be no need to spend that $80 million and all the other BS associated with it if there was a wall.


"Except the new socialists in congress are rebelling against her lol"

Yep, the VERY FIRST thing some of these socialists want is to not have their hands tied by having to justify/balance the costs of their ideas. (i..e they don't support the proposed "pay as you go" rules package that would require them to find savings to offset costs of new legislation).

Already itching to get their paws into the cookie jar of "other people's money" with no restraint.

I guess free college, health care, and housing for everyone isn't so great when you have to actually, you know, figure out a way to pay for it.

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
January 3rd

Re: Current Events Thread

Mets, every time some guy whips it out to say my education is bigger than yours, my job is more experienced than you, usually turns out not to be the case. So, Mr.-Engineers-Know-The-Process and you don’t, please note that I have lauded my credentials before too and might suggest you desist least it blows up in your face.

Trump is scamming you again, trying to take the Trumpeasy way to get some money. You know he could never get $5B for a new building development based on this level of information. You know that.

I keep telling deaf ears that prototyping can be part of the process, part of the plan, but is not the product/project plan. Not even close. For example, many a product comes to market or project comes to completion without prototyping. And a prototype is not necessarily a product/project. My prototypes have never been about final form and substance. They have, in my case, always been about proof-of-concept for new-technology pieces of the final development, small pieces of new technology to be used in the final product. There is no way I can ever get any budget by just pitching the prototype. My “investors” demand more. In this case of the wall, they followed a prototype RFQ (a plan) spec’ing 30ft high, 6 ft down, section to be prototyped. That does not even say the final version will even fit that prototype spec (at least if they bother to test). The eight examples are on the border near San Diego. You don’t’ even know which of the eight the $5B is for.

My favorite prototype is shown in the picture. It's a jumbo wall that incorporates Trump Hotels, Shopping Malls for Trump Branded Products, and a Sports Arena for Team Trump to squash Liberals in gladiatorial contests called TrumpGames.

Seriously Mets, a project plan has many elements, however, at the simplest level, that you, an engineer, can understand :>), some of the most important elements are total cost, total resources, schedule, and expected results.

A prototype plan will have those too, but just for the prototype section, not the wall.

Before you get money for a prototype, you should be presenting the entire plan, not just the prototype. To say Trump knows is not good enough for me. And now, after the prototypes have been developed, to get another $5B --- shouldn’t we know what the $5B is for and what the total price tag, schedule, description, and expected results would be? Like you said, they know, so are you sure they told anyone? Are you really sure? Bet your life sure?

I know you are advocating forking over $5B based on trust, but I am not. That’s the bottom line. Even with engineers, trust but verify.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
January 3rd

It’s sad citychick - I think we need to prioritize all Americans before we deal with refugees.

Want a safety net? Stop spending 150B a year on illegal immigrants


#MurphySucks
#LeftistActivistsAreAsDirtyAsEveryoneTheyHate



"A political organization run by a group of Gov. Phil Murphy's closest advisers including Brendan Gill has gone back on its pledge to disclose who funds it.

Former Murphy campaign manager Gill said shortly after Murphy was elected in 2017 that the group, New Direction New Jersey, would disclose its donors. Now, a spokesperson for the group, which produces and funds advertisements to promote Murphy's agenda, says it won't disclose them.

Whether special interest groups are funding New Direction New Jersey will remain unknown. And “dark money” politics is part of the current political status quo that liberal activists who are typically aligned with Murphy have criticized.

Swibinski justified the decision to not disclose donors to the “toxic political environment these sustained attacks have fostered” and denied that refusing to disclose donors falls into the status quo."


https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2018/12/31/murphy-aligned-group-goes-dark-money-as-adviser-breaks-pledge-to-disclose-donors-767384?fbclid=IwAR2nbwNDH4Zt6rDrfz93XmE2usiheLeuQRJbqkmpiWGOZdEF14S7kXwPvHo

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
January 3rd

I am not in disagreement with that one Skippy, if what you mean is change the law allowing illegals free education. I mean I take it you don't want to stop SNAP payments to children?

The other law is citizenship based on birth location. Great law for another time, not this time.

And then we need to add a law that someone raised as a Communist can not be First Lady of the United States. OK, just kidding on the last one..... But it's true.....

And for Mets-the-engineer.... Mets said: “You can’t even admit Trump knows more about building stuff than you. The guy has been building stuff for over 40 years.”

Actually Mets, Trump buildings in NYC have to charge less per square foot than comparable buildings. Because that's all they are worth. It’s the quality….

“Here, he took a perfectly decent—even handsome—1919 brick-and-limestone building, next door to Grand Central Terminal, and clad it with a reflective glass that has not weathered well.” https://archpaper.com/2016/06/donald-trump-architecture/

“After the fire, Trump’s former opposition to a law requiring sprinklers in residential high-rise buildings came under scrutiny. In the 1990s and early 2000s, Trump lobbied against a bill that would have required sprinklers to be installed in all residential buildings in New York, backing down only after existing buildings such as his own were allowed to be grandfathered in, the New York Daily News reported."

"On Saturday, Nigro confirmed to reporters to that no sprinklers were in place in the upper residential floors of Trump Tower, where the fire broke out.”

https://www.washingt