Hackettstown in the News 2018

Let's start with a "false public alarm":

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/index.ssf/2018/01/he_claimed_he_was_robbed_at_gu.html#incart_river_index

Reggie Voter Reggie Voter
Jan '18

We called that one right away. Is anyone really surprised that it was a lie?

Bessie Bessie
Jan '18

Bessie, you are right, I remember a lot of people calling that a fake robbery.

Reggie Voter Reggie Voter
Jan '18

Hey, the guy was married, drunk and about to have to explain losing all his money to his wife......I'd go with armed uber assault too.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Jan '18

Now that is a winner!


What a shame for this person...

Press Release(1/11/18): SCAM Alert And Warrant Arrests.

On 1/10/18 at approx. 1:12PM the Hackettstown Police received a scam complaint from a 78yro Hackettstown resident. The resident stated he was using an online company called CORE IT to fix and clean the internal workings of his computer for nearly two years. The address of the company was located in Sharjah a city in the United Arab Emirates. On 1/9/18 the victim received a phone call from Travis Carter saying that their business license expired, and he needed to refund money for the services they performed on the victim’s computer. The representative claimed that because their bank is not located in America, they would need to deposit a certain amount of money in the victim’s bank account and he will take the difference in gift cards. The victim then purchased $7,500 in Target gift cards. The victim called the company and he checked his bank account online and saw they deposited $12,000 into his account. The victim gave the company the gift card numbers. The victim then received a phone call from the company on 1/10/18 and they said to give them another $2,000 in gift cards or they would withdraw money from the victim’s checking and savings accounts. The victim went to the bank to change accounts and he was told that no one deposited $12,000 into his original account. It appears his computer was hacked, and the victim was looking at a fake online bank statement.
This type of scam is the first to be reported to our department and we want to make the public aware of this scam.


Greg, I just read the story about that. Such a shame. I hope that when I'm 78, someone will be around to protect me against stuff like this.

https://patch.com/new-jersey/longvalley/s/gbyw3/elderly-man-lost-7-5k-in-computer-scam-hackettstown-police

Tracy Tracy
Jan '18

That's awful to hear. Why can't these numbskulls get an actual job and stop preying on people?

Calico696 Calico696
Jan '18

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/man_pleads_guilty_to_conspiring_to_commit_extortio.html#incart_river_home


Computer Scams are real folks: I mean this one looks very professional, patient, and unfortunately thorough. They are getting very good at looking real. No more: "I is in Nigeria and ......"

I have a friend with a small WAH business who gets many jobs across the net. He is very computer savvy but got caught by one that looked, smelled, and even tasted like a business. Website, 1-800, you name it. The place looked real, he was very busy, and, of course, missed the fact that suddenly there was a rush need to expedite payment. Thing is he wrote the check..... Lesson learned: use credit cards whenever you can. Google everyone before you spend.

This place looked like a real business so he did not google. That would have turned up the potential scam. And then he wrote the check.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Mar '18

I can never understand why anyone would think that a legitimate company or service provider would ask to be paid with GIFT CARDS. That would certainly raise red flags for me.

Lonesome Dove Lonesome Dove
Mar '18

Interesting stories and having my own recent road rage encounter the danger they posed is ridiculous.

First link is related to the chase and the 2nd to the original story/expose.

https://www.cjr.org/united_states_project/nj-com-highway-chase-story.php

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/inside_njs_dirty_business_of_moving_the_dead.html


Ahh Joe Fantasia, I have been saying for years this guy is a scammer. I have had to deal with this unsavory character threw my work. Bounced several checks & still has not fully paid back monies owed, from years ago.

Weedwacker Weedwacker
Mar '18

15 great N.J. food towns that no one knows about:

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/03/njs_12_best_under-the-radar_dining_destinations.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured

OnTheEdge OnTheEdge
Mar '18

Haha... Joe is a character. He thinks he's Babe Ruth in the town softball league.

Metsman Metsman
Mar '18

Million dollar winner in our area!! Check your tickets!

http://www.njherald.com/20180322/1-million-lottery-ticket-sold-in-hackettstown#//


Store is not in Hackettstown. Love how Mansfield gets no recognition. JS!

Botheredbyuu2 Botheredbyuu2
Mar '18

I swear EVERY TIME I drive by that store, I think to myself wouldn't it be nice if it won the lottery? I haven't been down that way in weeks, though. Darn.


Its like the Jets and Giants. Lol!

Congrats to the winner.

That store also sold $500,000 instant winner. I'm guessing a rub-off.

Botheredbyuu2 Botheredbyuu2
Mar '18

It is odd that often a location is reported erroneously. Last week I read about the fire at Bill's Service Center- located in Long Valley. Really? It's not that difficult to research the location and report accurately.


Oh no! There was a fire at Bill's?

Calico696 Calico696
Mar '18

Greg - Are you now discussing the difference between "Long Valley" and "Washington Township"? You do know Bill's is Washington Township, right? I definitely understand the differences for townships in Morris County that have Hackettstown mailing addresses. As well as Independence vs Mansfield, etc. But to me Long Valley that's in Washington Township is basically still correct.

Calico - there's a whole thread on it. ;-)


Yes! Long Valley = Washington Township in many minds. Check the welcome signs coming into the township, they are subtitled "Long Valley."

Aquarius Aquarius
Mar '18

Re: Hackettstown in the News 2018

Yes. The article stated Bill's Service Center in Long Valley. I know Bill's is located in Washington Township but never thought of it as Long Valley. I see Long Valley as in the screen shot- nowhere near the stretch on RT. 46. In fact the address for Bill's is 27 US-46, Hackettstown, NJ 07840. ( Washington Township). I always considered that area Washington Township, not Hackettstown and certainly not Long Valley. My point was if the author looked up the address it should have been reported as a Hackettstown service station.

I do correlate Long Valley as Washington Township as well.


Maybe they picked it up from the Washington Township Patch.

Oh, wait, it's called the Long Valley Patch. Google redirects the search.

Or maybe they picked it up on the Washington Township Topix forum.

Yeah - also called the Long Valley Topix forum.

When the town ran its own forum it was also called "Long Valley".

I've said it before. I'll say it again. This township (where I live), has an identity crisis. The borders of the unincorporated community of Long Valley are one thing; how the township chooses to identify/distinguish itself is another.

Aquarius Aquarius
Mar '18

I was out of town when the fire happened. Link?

My husband has had business dealings with Bill and his family for 20 years. Hoping everything turns out ok.

Calico696 Calico696
Mar '18

http://www.hackettstownlife.com/forum/837992#t838033

Here is some info on Bill's


Thanks Greg.

Calico696 Calico696
Mar '18

Not all of Washington Twsp is in LV

Botheredbyuu2 Botheredbyuu2
Mar '18

Yes, Long Valley is part of Washington Twp (Morris).

Calico696 Calico696
Mar '18

"Long Valley" is a postal zip code wholly within Washington Twp.
There is also a "Schooley's Mountain" zip if you have a PO Box in the General Store.

Stymie Stymie
Mar '18

Washington Township is the name for the whole town. It stretches from Chester on one side, Califon on another, Mount Olive from the northeast and, of course, Hackettstown.

The official name is “Washington Township”, but almost everyone refers to the whole place as Long Valley. So yes, places like Target or Bill’s are in Long Valley, as most people would refer to it.

1988LJ 1988LJ
Mar '18

My point being Bills and Target may be in Washington Twsp, but they are not in LV

Botheredbyuu2 Botheredbyuu2
Mar '18

Re: Hackettstown in the News 2018

Huh that's something. All my 27 years living here I never even remotely thought of Long Valley as anything thing other than the map I posted above. Washington Township is how I refer to the areas other than LV or Schooleys Mountain etc.

I guess because Long Valley is basically in the center of Washington Township , the two are synonymous to many folks. Except for me! LOL


There are 6 town zip codes serving Washington Twp ( Morris) but no zip code in the name of Washington Twp.

OnTheEdge OnTheEdge
Mar '18

Yes Greg it’s definitely a confusing situation. Believe me if my wife wasn’t a former Long Valley resident I would have no clue either. But apparently the Washington Township name just isn’t used in daily conversation there.

1988LJ 1988LJ
Mar '18

I live in College View. Is that Long Valley or Washington Twp. My mail says Hackettstown.

twentytwenty
Mar '18

Washington boro

Philliesman Philliesman
Mar '18

20-20. You are located in Hackettstown. But I'll bet you knew that! LOL.


Hackettstown student files discrimination complaint

http://www.njherald.com/20180316/hackettstown-student-files-discrimination-complaint#

Le Roi de Grimaces Le Roi de Grimaces
Mar '18

Is this the same issue as before? I don’t see what changed

Skippy Skippy
Mar '18

Pot smoke sets off fire alarm in Centenary University dorm

As per WRNJ website, " A Centenary University Student is facing a drug charge after marijuana smoke set off the fire alarm in his dorm room Tuesday morning." Having the HFD called out in the middle of the night is a serious concern for them and public safety, but I could not stop thinking of a big blunt & cloud of smoke vis-à-vis a Cheech and Chong movie, Stay tuned, more of this to come after Gov. Murphy pushes through his agenda.

mike l mike l
Mar '18

Beer bottles can be dangerous.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/index.ssf/2018/04/man_charged_with_cutting_perso.html#incart_river_index

Calico696 Calico696
Apr '18

I guess more so when some fool consumes too much of what is contained in those bottles. LOL!


In a fight in an apartment with several people... hmm... sounds like an illegal home to me. I doubt the several people were children.

Metsman Metsman
Apr '18

"Beer bottles can be dangerous."

Nobody needs more than a six pack.

Mark Mc. Mark Mc.
Apr '18

The 100 block sure keeps cops busy.

justwondering justwondering
Apr '18

Metsman, I once had 20 people at a party in my apartment at Greenview... they didn't all live there.

ianimal ianimal
Apr '18

I hope police checked this guy's citizenship before letting him go.


BC if they really checked, then the illegal population here wouldn't be 6% of the state.

Metsman Metsman
Apr '18

Metsman, bad accusation to make

BusinessGuy1984
Apr '18

Yes and if business owners didn’t hire them, they wouldn’t come here.

And if citizens would only work for a couple of bucks an hour, business owners wouldn’t hire illegals, and the illegals wouldn’t come here...

Etc.

DevilsFan1 DevilsFan1
Apr '18

Businessguy1984, you really think all these Hispanic people riding bikes around and walking with their laundry are legal citizens? I worked at the Chester Shoprite in 1998. There had to be like 20 illegals working there. They openly admitted to it too. That was 20 years ago. The problem has to be much worse now.

Metsman Metsman
Apr '18

Hispanic, bike, laundry, illegal. Makes sense to me.

White guy, whinning about others stealing his cheese, crackers town life, racist.

Its good to assume

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
Apr '18

Yes, there are undocumented people all over the country. That doesn't make it OK for you to make assumptions about people SOLELY on their last names.


Stereotyping and bigotry much, Metsman??
Wonder what we'd think if we saw you riding by on a bike.....

4catmom 4catmom
Apr '18

Ok stay in your safe spaces... I forgot you're a racist when you point out the obvious...

Metsman Metsman
Apr '18

God forbid someone walks to the laundromat!! I’m just saying it’s poor to assume things without the proper knowledge, that is all. Have a nice day!

BusinessGuy1984
Apr '18

It’s not like it matters anyway. NJ will be the next California with Murphy in power and all the sanctuary state BS will go into effect. We’ll be wasting tax dollars protecting criminals like Kate Steinle’s killer who got deported half a dozen times and kept coming back. These people will vote which is what the democrats want. It’s happening. If illegals could get jobs at shoprite 20 years ago then they are voting too. Last time I checked you put your social security number on job applications. Someone is faking this info for them. It’s the same kind of situation as people that scam the government out of welfare checks. It’s like an episode of Shameless, where Frank Gallagher used his dead Aunt’s info to get her checks.

Metsman Metsman
Apr '18

"If illegals could get jobs at shoprite 20 years ago then they are voting too."

That's a head-scratcher. I'd call it a leap of logic, but that's one that not even the Evel one himself would have the cojones to attempt.

ianimal ianimal
Apr '18

California here??? That's gnarley, can't wait

stranger og

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Apr '18

A family's pet fish puts out a house fire in Hackettstown!!

Well that's my spin...LOL

https://patch.com/new-jersey/hackettstown/water-cracked-fish-tank-extinguished-hackettstown-fire


Did Nemo survive?

Calico696 Calico696
May 18th

I hope so!

I'm sure it was a Nemateleotris magnifica. Better known as Fire Goby, Fire Fish, Fire Dartfish, or Red Fire Goby LOL


http://www.njherald.com/20180530/hackettstown-man-admits-to-extortion

Sounds like a nice fellow.


Greg, he was technically from Washington Township, Morris County. My former neighbor.


Fake mafia ties. The Russian mafia will slice and dice any Italianos...


https://www.dailyrecord.com/story/news/local/morris-county/2018/06/28/serving-ice-immigration-warrant-police-find-kids-hackettstown-nj-house-alone/741730002/

A 6 year old, 3 year old and a 9 month old infant home alone.They sound like responsible parents.... SMH.....

Adios!!


Holy cow! I watched my 3yo and 8 month old grandsons this weekend. I couldn't let them out of my sight for a minute, except when they were sleeping!


maja2, you obviously need a 6-year old around to keep them in check (-;


Unbelievable! Thank goodness for that ICE warrant. Those kids could have really met with a bad fate.

Calico696 Calico696
2 weeks ago

https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/index.ssf/2018/06/suspect_in_child_sex_assault_f.html#incart_river_index

Another Main St resident arrested.


Beyond sad. If I can interject regarding taking kids away from parents doing “illegal” things such as crossing a border or leaving kids alone. Shame on these two.


Nancy, you mean another Hispanic resident. It sure seems like an epidemic to me...


Disgusting. Mr. Leonardo-Enriquez needs to be taught respect and a lesson.I have less than zero tolerance for someone like him. Capital punishment is too kind for an animal like him. He should have to get a face tattoo stating his crime so the others in prison can welcome him the proper way.


Lethal injection. They break laws when crossing the border and then they commit crimes that are commonplace in central America. We need to be a land of laws, free to do as you pease without hurting others. This is so clearly wrong.


Crime knows no race, nationality, religion etc, so you're comment sounds a bit like CNN or Fox News iJay. Partial truths extrapolated for completely unrelated reasons is the media’s schtick lol

DONT GO TO THE DARK SIDE! ;-)

justintime justintime
2 weeks ago

I agree with Greg. Capital punishment is too easy for paedophiles like him. A face tattoo on the forehead saying "I am paedophile,rapist" would be good enough for the rest of his life


Ijay is not dark. He is just differentiating between right and wrong.

If you don't stop for a stop sign, you're breaking the law. That's bad. And there are consequences when you get caught.

Meanwhile, lots of bad people are coming from South of Mexico, pretending they are parents of children, and coming into America to sell drugs and commit crimes, while American taxpayers foot the bill for their "Free" housing, food, Medical Care, lawyers fees...

This needs to stop. (Maybe we need to Electrify the fence?!)

We can't afford to keep paying for people who come here and can't speak the language, don't want to assimilate, take lots of funding from our government and taxpayers, and work off the books, so they can send major quantities of cash back to their relatives over the Border.

They are sucking us dry.

Older Mom Older Mom
2 weeks ago

Older Mom - Calling "Hispanic" the same as "epidemic" and wanting lethal injections is "just differentiating between right and wrong??? If it is then it's clearly the "wrong" part and "dark" applies. It's as bad as "Jews and unions cause all the problems in the world today". Just adding another stereotype to the pile, what group is next? That's an excuse.


Thanks GC.......That needs to be said over and over on this forum.


I'm personally sick of illegals coming to this country and getting handouts and committing crimes, not to mention that it's a crime already to be here illegally. I don't give a rats ass whether they are here illegally from Canada, Mexico, Ireland, Russia, Colombia or China. Doesn't matter. Illegal is illegal.

Calico696 Calico696
2 weeks ago

Unions were never mentioned as all that is wrong but they are complicit in the selfish "me" attitude.

Zionists are very selfish from the secular point of view, they have steered billions of dollars, trillions if you include war costs, along with thousands of US soldiers lives and over 100k foreigners (Iraqis an Afghanis) leading to even more hatred of the USA; all for biblical purposes and Jewish nationalism. Do not hijack my country for a foreign entity and biblical stories.

Believe what you want to believe. A member of my family goes to Mexico to help the poor as part of his church. He sees strong family ties there. Too many that come to this country illegally commit crimes. Isn't it fair expected behavior that illegals should walk on glass? Apparently not...


“I'm personally sick of illegals coming to this country and getting handouts”

Illegals receive no assistance from the government.

BusinessGuy1984
2 weeks ago

Really? One handout is their kids get free schooling without them contributing to the pot.


Businessguy1984 - Are you really that ignorant?

First, the minute they get here they are housed (never saw the photos of the supposed cages?), fed and are given medical care. They get food stamps, section 8, SNAP, Family care, TANF and their kids are allowed in Head Start and free daycare. They get picked up by the free van and taken to a CCAA daycare center, they are allowed to go to any federally or state funded medical clinic and /or dental clinic.

As a property manager I know EXACTLY what they get and how much -- and yu would die if you knew how much of your taxes these people REALLY get.

This is why there should be a test of basics before you should be allowed to vote... ugh...


nothing except:

Population-based services. Police, fire, highways, parks, and other infrastructure - no need to have a doctor. just go to the ER. healthcare is a right.

Public education - that's in the neighborhood of $12K for a pupil last I checked.

they are not eligible for means-tested welfare benefits -cash, food, housing, medical, and other services - the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act barred Illegal Aliens from drawing benefits... BUT

All U.S.-born children are automatically U.S. citizens, even if born to unauthorized immigrants-- read the Medicaid eligibility rules specifically state that unauthorized immigrants "may apply for coverage on behalf of documented individuals." Eligibility rules for SNAP say that a person who is ineligible because of immigration status "may choose to apply only for his or her U.S. citizen children in the household."

certain federal benefits are available regardless of residency status:

Child and Adult Care Food Program -which provides food aid to care centers for low income children, elderly or disabled adults

National School Lunch and Breakfast Program, which subsidizes in-school meals for children from low income families;

Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (NSAP / WIC) which provides nutritional supplements and health education for pregnant women, breastfeeding women and their infants up to five years old who are deemed "at nutrition risk" by a doctor.

Report, "Undocumented immigrants in Texas: a financial analysis of the impact to the state budget and economy," Texas state comptroller Carole Strayhorn, December 2006

http://www.fosterglobal.com/policy_papers/TexasAnalysisCost-BenefitOfUndocdWorkers.pdf

" Texas spent about $58 million caring for unauthorized immigrants through the eight programs--compared to $57.8 billion in total state spending that year."

hows that free BusinessGuy?


Heidi,

True Heidi, I had an honest talk with an office colleague who is legal immigrant, he says most legal immigrants are not even aware that they can use such services with their status. They never use it because they are self sufficient and pay their taxes. The only public service they use is public schools. I can't say the same about people who don't have legal status though.


If you speak to a legal immigrant like I did who is a colleague for 7+ years, they have unfavorable views about DACA recipients being promised naturalization.


https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/estimated-cost-k-12-public-education-unaccompanied-alien-children

57M is NJ cost just for education


I meant direct assistance (ie welfare, Medicaid). Obviously things such as infrastructure, public education, etc. are costs accrued by the taxpayer.

BusinessGuy1984
2 weeks ago

I think legal immigrants who pay taxes equally like everybody else have every right to send their kids to public school. I think most of them have never heard of the services that Heidi mentioned, they never use them unlike those with no legal status. It all comes down to immigration laws and other state and federal laws about who are entitled to benefits and services.


Our system of giving all benefits and services to all residents irrespective of their status is severely flawed and need to be fixed.


As I just showed you above - their children born here absolutely do as their citizens


"As I just showed you above - their children born here absolutely do as their citizens"

I don't understand your point Skippy if that was for me


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/illegal-immigrant-benefits/
does anyone here ever do any research and check their "facts"?


That was for business guy - and 4 cat everything I posted is in that link - I even posted the act that denies them “means tested welfare benefits” and agrees that aliens can avail them selves to SNAP and WIC regardless of status. Children of illegal aliens born here are NOT subject to these limitations and they can receive them.

It agrees with my post in re education and population based services. It actually goes on to state that 6 states allow Medicaid without documents and 12 allow them to get drivers licenses and mortgages with a TIN - thanks for enhancing my argument madam fact checker.


“does anyone here ever do any research and check their "facts"?”

No, they rely on others to research for them and simply regurgitate the sources they agree with (confirmation bias).

justintime justintime
2 weeks ago

Skippy, that’s correct since they are born here they are naturalized.

BusinessGuy1984
2 weeks ago

Ok...skippy. I agree with your points. The point that my legal immigrant colleague debated with me was also about naturalization of DACA. The legal immigrants as he stated want all DACA, illegals to get back in the queue behind them. There are many things that need to be fixed, every benefits must be based on status of residents. US citizenship shouldn't be granted to people born to illegal immigrants. There are many things that's wrong and need to be changed.

P.S. : Who is madam fact checker?


They’re not naturalized - they’re citizens by birth. So nobody’s factually incorrect here - now that we cleared that up illegal immigration costs us billions of dollars per year - go

4catmom with the comment that we don’t check facts


Skippy, I do agree that the cost is outrageous and our system needs repair. Also, thank you for being civilized in your conversation :)

BusinessGuy1984
2 weeks ago

any time! thank you


No snap Skippy; basically kids only.

Plus, ERs are only, by law due to Federal funding, required to stabilize and release for life threatening situations.

Remember, most fear ICE will be waiting whenever they are uncovered.

The “free ride” ain’t as grand as some would imagine.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
2 weeks ago

https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/snap-policy-non-citizen-eligibility

A person must be a U.S. citizen or an eligible, lawfully-present non-citizen to qualify for SNAP benefits.

the kids are eligible for snap if they're born here but the adults can get it once their case is adjudicated.

they get WIC

“The county should not be asking WIC clients about their citizenship status because it has no bearing on WIC eligibility,”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/10/feds-dont-ask-wic-participants-about-immigration-s/

ICE has "overwhelming caseloads," per the IG report

https://www.oig.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/assets/SAR/2018/oigsaroct17mar18.pdf

nobody is getting deported without coming in contact with law enforcement. especially in sanctuary cities.

nobody said it was a free ride or grand but to state that unauthorized immigrants receive nothing from the taxpayer is woefully inaccurate.


JIT is right, IMO. As I have been saying since 2015, for work-based illegal immigration, we don’t need a wall, e-verify will stop the problem, is a system started in 1996, field tested, internet adapted, and fully deployed since 2008 in AZ. It has a track record. Good to have you aboard, JIT.

For fake IDs, which is about 20-25% of the time, need to put IRS, HHS, CIS and the rest of the alphabet stew together to solve the problem, and solve it for way beyond just immigrants, for everybody. They don't share today. (At 25%, kind of blows that "they don't pay taxes" mantra, don't it.....)

For asylum seekers, improve the vetting process, continue rapid deportation for those who don’t vet, keep families together, avoid incarceration but assure 99% success in court appearances through the use of ankle bracelets, and provide access to pro bono legal services. We need to comply (or change) the 1967 Asylum Protocol that we established, world-wide. Shining light, remember.

IMO --- For job force, create a merit-based green card H1B status category at the STATE LEVEL so states can target outside talent not domestically available. Unlike the monolithic simplistic Trump, I don’t say merit-based is the simple answer. Remember, Steve Jobs couldn’t pass a merit-based system. While we’re at it, allow those who desire to serve easier access; you know the Foreign Legion model, worked for France. Meanwhile, make the Federal H1B system easy to use, rapid, and with extreme punishment for misuse. Another idea: create a pay-based merit system where you can buy your way into America. Lastly, create a targeted green card system where, at the Federal level, specify talents and merits in an opportunistic fashion like all the top scientists in Russia.

I do not know why Congress holds this issue hostage; this year it’s the mid-terms. For the past 8 years, it’s been the Republican controlled do-less-than-nothing Congress. In Obama’s first two years, it was second priority and then only EO-able. E-verify is obvious to even the casual observer and goes a long way to meet the American voter’s requirements. The rest is more difficult, but come on……enough hostage taking.

Or we can just continue to purge Main Street with an ICE sweep.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
2 weeks ago

Hostage taking, kidnapping, and other buzz words the left keeps throwing out there to rile up its base. Isn't it funny that they have on tape, Schumer, Pelosi, Obama and Hilary to name a few that were all espousing similar talk. I guess you have a problem with the arrest that ICE made to save those 3 children on Main Street. At the end of the day it is quite simple, if you are here illegally you are breaking the law.


Got link for those tapes? I really want to hear Nancy say that.

I am so sorry. I did not know that seeking asylum was illegal. Being a refugee and seeking asylum deserved jail time in a military prison camp. Or that we locked up for misdemeanors.

I guess its important to incarcerate these criminal mastermind infants too. Or to separate them, lock up the kids and then deport the parents while keeping the kids. Or how about the lids who go in front of the judge without parents, without representation. That’s mot cruel, unusual, and unnecessary wither, right?

But I do know that taking chidren by force whether for pecuniary or political gain is tantamount to kidnapping. And that’s what this is, a Session’s/Trump PR stunt that you, my friends, are standing on rhe wrong side of history if you continue ro support.

Just follow the 1967 Asylum Protocol and show a modicum of compassion.

Of course, arrest all child abusers on Main Street or any street, including those who support this abuse. But let’s solve our refugee crisis, not that there is one, without splitting up familes or incarcerating innocents.

Strangerdanger Strangerdanger
2 weeks ago

How about we don’t admit or charge them at all, let them stay with their families and get sent back. Immediately. I think that’s the best option.


I am against family separation of any kind, it's just vicious torture for the kids, they will be psychologically and emotionally scared for life. People blame parents but we must never make any kid pay. I have always said we should not separate,but send back the entire families to their countries. Just deport the families together


“I am against family separation of any kind”

So you're against *any* law enforcement actions??? After all, removing folks from society by incarceration or detention necessarily requires, by definition, separation from others.

justintime justintime
2 weeks ago

TheYale we do it all the time to citizens and their kids, sometimes for stupid reasons.


JIT: If you are talking about Americans being separated, I didn't mean that. Dont try to deflect the context i am talking about. I was talking about kids being put in detention centers. You know it,don't try to push it to me. Americans, kids are taken care by family members if they have family and relatives through legal means. If not, if both parents are incarcerated, then CPS take care of them. For the illegal immigrants,the kids who came with families shouldn't be separated and detained separately in different centers, but deported together. No other countries separate foreign illegal kids from their parents. Sad you had to go this low to twist my words.


This was a.) instituted by Obama and b.) something Trump had to continue because both Obama and Trump were complying with a federal court order by Judge Gee.

I think we all know that the President's executive order was meant to give liberals exactly what they want, just so he can watch it blow up in their faces.

When the Border Patrol is required to hold children with their parents in jail cells, some onenos going to get hurt or raped and is going to sue, the only alternative besides open borders is taking the kids away and putting them in foster care or turning them away at time of contact


No twisting at all. On the contrary, I simply clarified for you so you could better articulate what you meant.

What *I* think you meant to say is that you don’t see these folks coming into the country as criminals or as breaking the law. As such, they should not be treated as criminals, detained or separated from their families. Nothing wrong with that view at all, except that existing law says otherwise.

I’ve been pretty consistent in saying that, if that’s how one ferls, energy should be spent trying to change the law instead of grasping at ways to ignore, excuse or override the law.

justintime justintime
2 weeks ago

Speaking of articulation, could you clarify what US law these asylum seekers are breaking that demands incarceration?

Do we normally charge underage persons in the same manner for breaking whatever law you say is being broken?

Because I did not read in the 1967 Asylum Protocol, speareheaded and signed by the US and signed by another 145 sovereign nations, that zero-tolerance mandatory incarceration and separation of families, suggested as a process.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
2 weeks ago

We are in a Catch 22 situation. Our borders need to be secured and people being allowed in based upon waiting one's turn, national interests, etc. However, when people just show up at the border or cross illegally, and do so with children it puts us in a bind.


JIT:The existing law that you talked about is only implemented now, the foreign immigrants are not american citizens, there is certain international laws that America has been practicing until the new govt tried to do away with it. Under international laws to which we abide by, we deport them like in any other countries. You are not consistent at all. You are mixing up american citizens and foreign nationals and talking about their incarnation. Those foreign nationals are entitled to consular access of their countries like how we Americans have access to US Consular access abroad in legal case abroad. You either treat them as foreigners or as Americans. There goes your consistency. The laws we and other countries have been practicing when foreign nationals illegally try to enter another country by air,land or water is deportation,NOT imprisonment!


I posted it earlier first offense is a federal misdemeanor second is a felony - but I’m sure you were getting at that.


Please skippy, can you repost the link or direct me to the date of your post.....

I am sorry but please, I just can't scroll all day for something you must have top o mind. Thanks and apologize for weak search engine here.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
2 weeks ago

TheYale, I’m probably the most consistent poster here. Innocent until proven guilty. Follow the law and change it if needed, but don’t make excuses to override the law.

Regarding international law, if there’s a conflict between us law and international law which one prevails?

justintime justintime
1 week ago

You are all crazy if you think illegal immigration will be stopped any time soon, regardless of who is president. trump himself has employed illegals to build his properties and he's not apologetic about it. Why should he be? It saved him millions, and, after all, isn't that what it's all about in a free and capitalist country, in the end? Money/business. Trump did what's right for his business as millions of other business owners do.

That's why you won't stop it.

EuphoriaMourning EuphoriaMourning
1 week ago

JIT,SKIPPY: Why do you support to separate and detained kids and parents? When trump himself has recently said what I said! Deport entire family Immediately. Thanks Skippy for informing that it's Trump's executive order to separate families so it blows up on liberals's face. JIT doesn't want to hear it was done through executive order. Well, it did and then it has blown up in his face too. Now that he says families be kept together, he also said that they need to be deported together immediately just like I said. So, I can't understand your point of sticking to imprisonment and detention.

TheYale TheYale
1 week ago

Lol Yale, Lol. How did you come to those conclusions?

justintime justintime
1 week ago

JIT: ROFL, sorry you turned out to be as ignorant as I thought. Hehe...

Trump says illegal immigrants should be deported with 'no judges or court cases' | Article [AMP] | Reuters https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-trump/trump-calls-for-deporting-illegal-immigrants-with-no-judges-or-court-cases-idUSKBN1JK0OL

TheYale TheYale
1 week ago

https://patch.com/new-jersey/hackettstown/hackettstown-man-sexually-assaulted-young-child-prosecutor?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_term=weather&utm_campaign=alert

Another criminal in our town!

Hackresident Hackresident
1 week ago

HR -- isn't this the same guy arrested last week coming to court? Are you making some sore of immigration comment here? Latin name maybe?

TY -- Actually (code word for ooops), Sessions/Trump did not use an EO to cause this. They first tested it this Spring and then Sessions just rolled out the new policy under Trump's approval.

Likewise, Trump did not need the EO he issued to end it; he just list the EO/pen/signing photo op. Very reality TV President.

And in no way does zero tolerance mandatory incarceration with mandatory family separation fit within the words or the spirit of the 1967 Asylum Protocol. Nor does our laws call for it. (albeit unless Skippy's link proves elsewise, which it will not.)

strangerdanger strangerdanger
1 week ago

@TheYale:
“Why do you support to separate and detained kids and parents?”

I don’t, and never did. Please link to one of my posts where you read this.

“JIT doesn't want to hear it was done through executive order”

I already posted that it was through eo’s. See here: http://www.hackettstownlife.com/forum/849873#t853052
My point was that if policy is overriding a law then the SC should be involved to require compliance. If the law wasn’t clear in the first place then Congress needs to step in and act. And didn’t they do exactly that in this case, before trump made his political play by writing his own EO?

justintime justintime
1 week ago

SD that only applys to refugees.

“Asylum is a protection granted to foreign nationals already in the United States or at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.” The United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol define a refugee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country, and cannot obtain protection in that country, due to past persecution or a well-founded fear of being persecuted in the future “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” Congress incorporated this definition into U.S. immigration law in the Refugee Act of 1980.”

“As a signatory to the 1967 Protocol, and through U.S. immigration law, the United States has legal obligations to provide protection to those who qualify as refugees. The Refugee Act established two paths to obtain refugee status—either from abroad as a resettled refugee or in the United States as an asylum seeker.”

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-states

Nothing in there says they can’t be detained for up to 6 months before the get a hearing. Nothing says they can’t seperate children from adults
You asked me what law they were violating - I provided it. When you are a pre trial inmate you don’t get to bring your kids.. simple as that


Sessions has the right to set DOJ policy on asylum claims.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-sessions-delivers-remarks-discussing-immigration-enforcement-actions

"asylum seekers crossing the U.S.-Mexico border must make their claim at ports of entry, or risk prosecution and potential separation"

"The mere fact that a country may have problems effectively policing certain crimes — such as domestic violence or gang violence — or that certain populations are more likely to be victims of crime, cannot itself establish an asylum claim."

asylum seekers out side of the US don;t have fifth and sixth amendment rights.


Don't try to make too much sense Skippy. Liberals are like that game Pong. The facts just bounce off of them like the ball does in the game...

Metsman Metsman
1 week ago

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