President Trump-Continued thread
iRun Give him a chance, all you open minded Libs. Or was that open minded talk of the last 40 years all BS?
Grizzly AdamsTo be hopeful is a good thing, but to be delusional is quite another.
I will not rely on one person or government to make my life great...I rely on myself for that.....
positive In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and nothing was true. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.
Hannah Arendt Not delusional. We gave the "hope and change" thing 8 years. Now, at 11:00 am on Friday, we will begin to the make America great again. You can all keep up the unkind comments about me, that's ok. Four more days and America will begin to be great again!!
Ollie I personally find the man repulsive. But hope he does well for us all not just himself. Like I think he will
Botheredbyuu2 Make America Great again: Just add water, stir the melting pot, add spaghetti and see who sticks.
Metsman Around mid December, Trump's favorability hit it's all time high: 47%.
Today, at 37% favorable ratings, he is set to take the helm with some of the lowest ratings ever. Much of this is due to his cabinet selection.
A great start.
Time to rant on the nation's leading civil rights advocate, the intelligence community, SNL, and, of course, and claim once again to be repealing ALL of ObamaCare.
Luckily, Resident Rump cleared all up and set us on the right track to greatness again with his fabulous press conference: http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/donald-trump-press-conference-cold-open/3454408?snl=1
strangerdanger 
+1 Yep.
Posted it before but it was a good article: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/meet-the-leaders-of-the-trump-resistance-w460844
Bonv Ya know the best way to thwart trump is to simply demand our congress take responsibility for their designated job instead of allowing the executive branch to run roughshod over the legislative branch. Just sayin...
justintime 
You didn't seem to mind when Obama ran roughshod over congress the last 8 years. "I've got a pen, and I've got a phone." Just sayin...
4 more days and America will be great again.
I am getting a kick out of both sides discovering what it is like to walk a bit in the other gent's shoes. I, for one, find this side of the street to be much easier to navigate. But others seem to be struggling with their new situation.
Like Metsman above demanding that the losers obediently stand off, recognize the winners and "deal with it." Gosh, seems like only yesterday there was a terrible commotion when Obama basically said: "I won; you lost. Deal with it." Oh, the horror of that moment in time. (And he had a mandate.......)
Funny part is I won, you lost, deal with it is what is remembered. Unlike Metsman's stupid judge, Obama really said: ""You don't like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. Push to change it. But don't break it. Don't break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. That's not being faithful to what this country's about."
But that is not what was felt by the losers who are now the whiners, I mean winners, who quickly make known they are feeling bad about being questioned, often on the facts, by those who didn't vote their support.
Magnanimous in victory fer sure. Not.
Is it true that Trump is renaming the Republican Party to the Pee Pee Party?
"You didn't seem to mind when Obama ran roughshod over congress the last 8 years." 4 years maybe, 2 years certainly, 8 years ----- yeah sure...and pigs are a flyin now.
Should you happen to have any interest in facts regarding impact of potential health care changes - you may want to read through this article - I would wonder which group you all fall into: http://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/aca-repeal-would-lavish-medicare-tax-cuts-on-400-highest-income-households
4catmom Already hit all 15...
As tyrants take control of democracies, they typically:
1. Exaggerate their mandate to govern – claiming, for example, that they won an election by a landslide even after losing the popular vote.
2. Repeatedly claim massive voter fraud in the absence of any evidence, in order to restrict voting in subsequent elections.
3. Call anyone who opposes them “enemies.”
4. Turn the public against journalists or media outlets that criticize them, calling them “deceitful” and “scum.”
5. Hold few if any press conferences, preferring to communicate with the public directly through mass rallies and unfiltered statements.
6. Tell the public big lies, causing them to doubt the truth and to believe fictions that support the tyrants’ goals.
7. Blame economic stresses on immigrants or racial or religious minorities, and foment public bias and even violence against them.
8. Attribute acts of domestic violence to “enemies within,” and use such events as excuses to beef up internal security and limit civil liberties.
9. Threaten mass deportations, registries of religious minorities, and the banning of refugees.
10. Seek to eliminate or reduce the influence of competing centers of power, such as labor unions and opposition parties.
11. Appoint family members to high positions of authority
12. Surround themselves with their own personal security force rather than a security detail accountable to the public.
13. Put generals into top civilian posts
14. Make personal alliances with foreign dictators.
15. Draw no distinction between personal property and public property, profiteering from their public office.
zentravl Trump, pre election: "We are going to drain the swamp and Mexico will pay for that great big wall". Supporters: "Build that wall! Build that wall!", "Lock her up, lock her up !" Trump post election: We're going to build a great, big wall! Mexico will pay us later. My best friends, lawyers, CEOs and close family, will be involved with my appointments, transition and run my businesses. I won't ever talk to my kids about business, while president" Supporters: "You mean drain the swamp was just a hokey term you thought we'd like?" Trump's out of order. His supporters are out of order. This whole country could soon be out of order. Tweet Tweet....
sparksjbc1964 
Eperot Enough with the popular vote nonsense. You take California out of the election and Trump wins the popular vote. Clinton won that state by almost 4 million votes. They have the largest Hispanic population in the nation at $14.4 million. Gee, do we want people with huge ties to Mexico dictating what the rest of the nation wants? They get 55 electoral votes. If you can't win the rest of the country you don't deserve to be president.
Metsman,
Take out Texas and Clinton won. Why should they dictate the rest of the country?
MB I have to hope he does a good job, so we all don't get screwed. In reality, his inability to grow up even the slightest since November, his twitter insults, his rigged press conference have confirmed what his entire life and campaign had already told me - You elected the most grossly incompetent delusional person on the face of the earth. He needs immediate and continuous treatment.
I doubt his transition out of power will be as peaceful as his transition to power. I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect our fears of a tyranny will come true, much as Bonv suggests. And while I may not speak for all of us when I say we feared this, I guarantee, all of us will get bent over.
What would any of you do to fix the electoral college? Disband it? Add more electors? Remove winner takes all? Better distribute votes to match population?
alpha1beta Metsman - you can almost any state out and it's an entirely different game. Certain, PA, FL, MI, WI...
California has 12% of the total population, 4% more than the next biggest state and ranks 3rd by size. Let's complain about texas, the 2nd largest by size and population, which is filled with some of the more backwards views on the planet. But you won't complain about them because that's the white and republican vote.
How about you stop promoting voter suppression and racism? Guess what, they can vote, they're citizens with every right you have, including the right to shut up.
"Take out Texas and Clinton won. Why should they dictate the rest of the country?"
"you can almost any state out and it's an entirely different game."
If you "removed" California (leaving 483 electoral votes in play):
Trump gets 50.24% of the popular vote and 63.3% of the electoral vote (306 vs 177). Trump wins.
If you "removed" Texas (leaving 500 electoral votes in play):
Trump gets 48.47% of the popular vote and 53.6% of the electoral vote (268 vs 232). Trump wins.
If you "removed" Florida (leaving 509 electoral votes in play):
Trump gets 48.75% of the popular vote and 54.4% of the electoral vote (277 vs 232). Trump wins.
If you "removed" Pennsylvania (leaving 518 electoral votes in play):
Trump gets 48.80% of the popular vote and 55.21% of the electoral vote (286 vs 232). Trump wins.
If you "removed" Michigan (leaving 522 electoral votes in play):
Trump gets 48.84% of the popular vote and 55.55% of the electoral vote (290 vs 232). Trump wins.
If you "removed" Wisconsin (leaving 528 electoral votes in play):
Trump gets 48.85% of the popular vote and 56.06% of the electoral vote (296 vs 232). Trump wins.
What this says to me is that Trump didn't "need" any one state to win. Clinton's votes were super-concentrated in a very few states - skewing the "popular vote" win that everyone claims.
Mark Mc. This exemplifies the wisdom of the Electoral College, To prevent the vote of any one populace state from overriding the vote of the others (yes were looking at you California) - hence why Trump only needed FL, NC, MI, PA, OH, and WI.
150% of Hillary's popular vote margin came from just ONE state, California...compare and contrast that to around 60% of Obama's in 2012 coming from CA and Bush's in 2004 due to TX and that shows how unhealthy and skewed, how marginalized and localized Hillary's margin was.
L.A. County holds the record for the most provisional ballots—40%—cast in the country - it certainly looks like millions of people ineligible to vote sure did.
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-is-right-millions-of-illegals-probably-did-vote-in-2016/
Stop with the voter suppression and racism accusations - that is the liberal "I win button" and is patently rediculous
skippy Bonv - you are quoting a newsweek article about Robert Reich (next time add the link please)
http://www.newsweek.com/robert-reich-fifteen-ways-recognize-tyrant-537866
The Same guy who has a 100 day agenda moving towards impeachment and is planning on disrupting the innauguration.
http://robertreich.org/post/153401540180
https://youtu.be/OTxywaqLVRw
here are his statements before the election - he is now doing EXACTLY what he accused trump supporters oh having the potential to do.
"The odds are still very heavily in favor of Hillary Clinton becoming president. My real concern at this point is Donald Trump’s supporters continue to fulminate. Some of them will feel that the election is illegitimate. Trump will continue to fan those flames and that will make it even harder for not just Hillary Clinton to govern, but the entire process of government to move forward."
http://archive.is/bG2UH
"...But for some Russians, Trump's bombastic style at the press conference, his animosity toward journalists, and his rambling nonanswers seemed all too familiar."
...
"Well, now the U.S. also has a president who never answers a direct question and is rude to journalists," tweeted opposition activist Tikhon Dzyadko."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/russians-cant-stop-comparing-trumps-treatment-journalists-putins
Mark Mc.,
The way you're looking at it is a bit wonky. For instance, if you took Texas away from Trump (and give it to Clinton, not take it out of the count altogether), Clinton would win. So yes, he did need particular states in order to win.
And the popular vote is not skewed. More people voted for Clinton, point blank period.
"if you took Texas away from Trump (and give it to Clinton, not take it out of the count altogether)"
Well Gee... if you take all the states that Trump won and gave them to Clinton of course she would win.
If the Indians scored all the runs instead of the Cubs, they would have won the World Series too. You could still argue whether any one particular Cub's run was critical.
THAT's wonky logic... if should could have won them, she would have.
"And the popular vote is not skewed. More people voted for Clinton, point blank period."
And it doesn't matter if Clinton won California by 1 vote or 30 million (because her popular vote lead doesn't EXIST without California). Those weren't the rules of the game.
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"Enough with the popular vote nonsense. You take California out of the election and Trump wins the popular vote. Clinton won that state by almost 4 million votes. They have the largest Hispanic population in the nation at $14.4 million. Gee, do we want people with huge ties to Mexico dictating what the rest of the nation wants?"
Come on mman, are you for real? Did you think? Who would parse states out from the popular vote, and if you were to do so ----- would ethnicity be the factor for choice?
I mean that's the kind of thinking that comes up with: "150% of Hillary's popular vote margin came from just ONE state, California..." OK....so we discovered that a lot of people live in California and that 62% of those voting went Hillary and 32% went for Donald. And somehow that leads us to taking out the largest state in the Union. Why is that?
Is it the fact that the largest state in the Union picked Hillary and ruined Trump's mandate, his landslide, seems to vex some so they look for someone to blame.
"She tasks me. She tasks me, and I shall have her. I'll chase her round the Moons of Nibia and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flames before I give her up! I shall have my mandate; I shall have my popular vote. I am the most popular President Elect in history, soon to be President, and there are still rooms available for the Inauguration at Trump International Hotel soon to be renamed Not-Trump International Hotel as I divest from my business. I am the most winningest President ever.
FYI, some demographics from 2014
Hispanics as percent of CA population 39%
Hispanics as percent of U.S. Hispanic population 27%
U.S.-born Hispanics (percent of CA Hispanics) 64%
Foreign-born Hispanics (percent of CA Hispanics) 36%
Mexican origin (percent of Hispanics) 84%
Non-Mexican origin (percent of Hispanics) 16%
OK, so for a 12-point total difference in the number of Hispanics from the US average, you believe CA is vastly different from the nation because of Mexican heritage ---- not Hispanic heritage but Mexican Heritage.
As 64% were born in the US, I guess your theory is they still have huge ties dictating their decisions no matter how many generations they have been American. Like Trump's ties to Germany..... Pence's ties to Ireland.
And what about the fact that 16% of CA Hispanics are not from Mexico.....ever.
Or that while 63% of Hispanics say Democrats, 27% see themselves as primarily voting Republican.
But of course the biggest question might be what would ties to Mexico look like? Is that somehow a bad thing? Are they even different in opinions about things that matter. Does anyone even know?
Or do we just prop up Mexico as the bogeyman country with anyone coming from there, no matter how long ago, how legal the process, is somehow not American in thought and action and therefore any state that has a lot of Hispanics is un-American.
Ruh ro Reggie... NJ has the 8th largest percentage and 8th largest number of Hispanics among all US states. We're with CA yea!!!
If you look up narcissist: n: see Trump.
What we have is a President-elect who is so insecure about the most powerful position in the world that he turns into a sputtering buffoon, making irrational decisions that this undead Congress is taking to task like good little robots.
The millions who are going to be left uninsured and this wall obsession will both land on we, the taxpayers.
The birth and disease rates will increase due to defunding planned parenthood, again affecting innocent people and costing all of us taxes and lives.
These decisions are ill-thought out and a result of partisan power plays made by a bunch of five-year-olds disguised as politicians.
"I didn't say all, I said one - Texas. Follow along."
The funny thing about logic is that it should hold true no matter what the scale.
Cherry picking a state that Clinton had no chance to win and giving her the electoral votes just to prove a hypothetical point is, well, pointless.
While also hypothetical, taking a state out *completely* is at least fair in that nobody gets the votes. In this exercise, taking away any of the 49 other states (other than California) changes *absolutely nothing* as far as who wins the popular vote and who wins the electoral votes. Taking away California *does* change who wins the popular vote, so yes, I think that could fall into the "skewed" category.
If you calculate the percentage of the nations population by state and apply that to the electoral college, Trump still wins. I think it works out with California getting 66 electoral votes and she still couldn't win! The system works. Hillary's appeal was regional. Trump's appeal was national.
So still not on the road to acceptance and attempting to bridge the gap with Trump supporters ? Best of luck with that folks
It's the reason to take away California as somehow being fair that is the issue. Much less some of the more blameful reasons like Hispanic loyalty to the country of Mexico.
The funny thing about logic is that it should hold true no matter what the scale.
Cherry picking a State intrusion that Clinton had no chance to win and giving her the email business to prove a hypothetical point of untrustworthiness is, well, working.
While also hypothetical, using a State-sanctioned cyber intrusion is at least fair in that nobody can tell who gets the votes. In this exercise, airing private emails, faking others, changes *absolutely nothing* as far as who wins the popular vote but could have affected who wins the electoral votes. Taking away Putin *does not even* change who wins the popular vote, so yes, I think that could fall into the "skewed" category.
"It's the reason to take away California as somehow being fair that is the issue."
Go ahead and leave California in... Trump still won fair and square. However, when you're trying to figure out the impact a variable has on the outcome, you need to either isolate or exclude that variable. So, in the case of "popular vote" let's exclude it and see the impact (not good for Clinton).
The rest of your post is gibberish. Russia didn't change any votes.
"The President in particular is very much a figurehead- he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it. On those criteria Zaphod Beeblebrox is one of the most successful Presidents the Galaxy has ever had- he has already spent two of his ten presidential years in prison for fraud.” -
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
You people are all crazy!!!! Fact of the matter is Trump is President of the United States of America and if you don't like it take yourself out of the equation and move somewhere else.
"Go ahead and leave California in... Trump still won fair and square." I agree, except for the fair and square part. Course I felt the same way in 2012.
"However, when you're trying to figure out the impact a variable has on the outcome, you need to either isolate or exclude that variable." So if he won fair n square and if CA does not change that, isn't that a tree falling silently in the forest? Where's the impact?
"So, in the case of "popular vote" let's exclude it and see the impact (not good for Clinton)." Since it does not change the "impact" of the electoral college conclusion, is there really an impact at all? So what's the point?
For many, not you, it seems to be Hispanic - Mexico - Bad.
"Russia didn't change any votes." Sure they did. Just can't count them. But if you say Hillary was not effected by email and that private email wiki-leaking did add to that effect, I say no, it had an effect in voter turnout and candidate choice --- for both sides, and working only against Clinton.
I call instantly for an Congressional investigations. We need Benghazi level scrutiny on this one so after we conclude the first investigation, we need to launch the second one ASAP. Think we did it seven times for Benghazi.
Good news is there are plenty of seats opening up at the inauguration as Trump divests himself from many he sought to bring together. Many of the vacated seats are prime Trump real estate located well outside the podium pee party zone of safety. It promises be a event that will grab many for years to come.
SD, for every vote you say Russia took away from Hillary, you could make an argument that the media taking things Trump said out of context took more away from him. None of these elections are campaigned without dirt flung. It’s up to individuals to make an educated decision of their own.
Are you intentionally obtuse or just have poor reading comprehension?
I said "in the case of the popular vote"... why you're bringing up the impact to electoral votes is beyond me. He would win the electoral vote with or without California - the *only* thing CA changed is the popular vote lead.
"for both sides, and working only against Clinton."
Aww, pity... she did more things to piss off voters than Trump did.
"No more whining"???
I already check each morning to see what the latest embarrassment is. Today it's NATO is obsolete, again, and a plagiarizing spokesperson.
Remember when he was pushing the birther nonsense (i.e. delegitimizing a president)? I wonder if Putin and the Russian mafia banks were behind that, too.
Yes, ultimately I blame the democrats for putting up a lousy candidate. But, you guys voted for him. I don't think he'll last the whole year.
"podium pee party zone of safety" is that the best you have? For those unfamiliar as to what SD is saying back in OCTOBER someone on 4chan writes fanfiction about Trump hiring prostitutes to urinate on bed in Russia that Obama slept in and makes it look like a CIA dossier and "Leaks" it to Journalist Rick Wilson. said "dossier" makes it to the actual intelligence community and gets put into Presidential briefings. John McCain pushes this fake dossier as truth. The "dossier" then gets published in BuzzFeed and promoted by CNN and other fake news outlets. Hilarity ensues
I was gonna' wait until the actual inauguration, but with all the nonsense being posted today, I just can't contain myself any longer....
JeffersonRepub What's really happening is the "participated in 2016 election" crowd is telling the world that millions of Americans votes don't count. Used to be America produced good sports.
one-eyed poacher British humor, you may like the following from circa 1980 Monty Python:
https://youtu.be/7DqvweTYTI0
iJay So, we should give President Trump a chance.
But based on the feuds, the falsehoods, the empty promises, it is probably now fair to judge his performance as president-elect.
Worst president-elect ever!! :)
jd2 At least he was actually born here.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yeah yeah, go ahead- it don't matter anymore.....
"Russia didn't change any votes."
Are you sure? I think maybe if you repeat it over and over again it might just work!!! ;-)
PREDATOR According to the vote the man won no argument there. I agree america needs to be run more like a company, but I feel like a rich egotistical bull headed snob with a silver spoon up his ass isn't the man to make the change. Obamas ideas might not all have been the best but when he said he believed in america. I believed him. Trump, I tried just can't believe he cares. He already has everything he could ever want and businessmen don't care about the consumer just making money for themselves.. Just legalize weed so I can forget he actually won and let my imagination predict who will clean up trumps mess.
Look, government as we see it now is pretty much biased, there is no red vrs blue as they want it seen. Tbh I hate Clinton and think she's broke many laws. Do you though, do you really think trump is looking out for the little guy? Do you think he is even looking out for the middle class guy? You all know the answer really but want to play to your pride.
Well then "You didn't seem to mind when Obama ran roughshod over congress the last 8 years."
Not sure if you meant that comment for me but personally I did mind, quite a bit, just as I minded when every previous president used them. I think executive orders are an abomination because they go directly against the design intent of "separation of powers".
IMO societies function best only when laws are applied evenly. I realize that never happens, but it is a worthy goal and we should strive for it. Problem I have is that Republicrats today don't even pretend to want that and it's manifested through the use if executive orders to implement partisan favors to specialized groups. The congress should work very hard to mitigate that power, bit they don't. Why? Probably because the executive controls all the guns lol (not really funny though if you think about it).
3 more days till we make America great again!! I can almost understand what Chris Mathews meant when he said he felt a thrill up his leg.
The dichotomy of this whole thing has been highly entertaining. The "reasonable", "calm", "open-minded" liberal left has become the hating, unreasonable, closed-minded, tin-foil-hat wearing crowd they accused the right of being these last 8 years.
What does it feel like to become the thing that you hate?
Ollie please describe exactly what greatness you expect to appear Friday and please be specific------and in your own words so we can understand better.
Sad but true JR. Republicrats.
Especially interesting is the blatant racism today (inverted racism may be a more accurate term). Whatever happened to racism is terrible (it is)?
It's the "I win" button - if you disagree with a SJW you are a racist. Minorities can't possibly be racist so it's ok.
I really wish we could use the correct definition for Republicrat or come up with a new word for what you are describing. And while we're at it, what is "inverted racism" beyond being a term describing the impossible in order to make the prejudiced feel better.
For the record, I know Trump won, fair and square enough. Got no problem with it, my wallet will probably fatten unless everyone's shrinks, and he will not affect me personally with any of the social havoc he wrecks upon us. "SD, for every vote you say Russia took away from Hillary, you could make an argument that the media taking things Trump said out of context took more away from him." Actually one could probably make the point that the media garnered votes for Trump with all that free advertising via coverage. "None of these elections are campaigned without dirt flung. It’s up to individuals to make an educated decision of their own." As I noted for the 2012 election. However, in either case I would say the ability to make an educated decision was marred by, in this case, by a foreign power. Now, the fact that your guy, Mr. Tuff Guy, Mr. InYourTweetingFace for a slight guy, wants to stand down over this offense because he's not 110% sure and you accept that ---- now, that fact is priceless.
"What does it feel like to become the thing that you hate?" I could say ditto, but to be honest, you're just moving your soso game over to the new tent. But I too have been wrestling with the new reality and I have to say:
"Whoa!
I feel good, I knew that I would, now
I feel good, I knew that I would, now
So good, so good, I got you
Whoa!"
It's much easier to throw stones than it is to protect glass houses.
"IMO societies function best only when laws are applied evenly." OK, who's got the "no duh" for this observation? There's that Repblicrat again, certainly does not make sense here, but OK....
"I think executive orders are an abomination because they go directly against the design intent of "separation of powers"." Further, some feel "executive orders to implement partisan favors to specialized groups. The congress should work very hard to mitigate that power, bit they don't. Why? Probably because the executive controls all the guns lol (not really funny though if you think about it)."
Executive Orders can be nothing more than the Executive Branch helping to manage the operations within the federal government itself. They don't have to be how JIT describes them. Might be, but don't have to be, and, historically are not always that.
EO's are subject to judicial review, Constitutional scrutiny, and can be struck down for making law instead of clarifying or acting to further an existing law made by Congress. There's your checks and balances.
The Emancipation Proclamation was an EO.
The 1933 Bank Holiday was an EO.
Now much of this current bru ha ha is spurred by Obama's frequent use of EO's to blatantly contradict Congress. Now since our current Congress does nothing, or less than nothing, any action would contradict that. But in truth Obama's less that 300 EO's is less than most administrations and far less than the 1,000 to 3,000 used by a few Presidents.
So you can throw all your generalist conclusions without factual support, again, that you want but somehow having the Executive Branch simply clarify existing laws might expedite the process of putting laws to work for us. If not, you have recourse so quit whining, buck up, and make America great again.
Why not tell us of those nasty EO's that actually fit the bill of goods you are selling; would love to see the work behind your opinion.
4catmom - kind of like everything that has ever been said about HRC. the truth is not decided by the number of people subscribing to it. Whether or not certain ideas are “out of the mainstream” is besides the point.
"What does it feel like to become the thing that you hate?"
There's not enough "reply" buttons in the world to bring up the logical inconsistencies they are exhibiting... NOW they are all about the Constitution, not stereo-typing, majority doesn't rule, etc...
(Compare that to something along the lines of "All you redneck gun owners shouldn't have the right to bear arms because *insert % here* of Americans don't like it" that we've been hearing from them for the past 8 years.)
Oh it's going to be a fun 4-8 years...
4catmom-
The tragedy of that is, you think it's true only for the OTHER side. Perhaps one day you will grow wise enough to see BOTH sides are exactly what your meme describes. For the last 8 years, it's been applicable to Obama and the left, as well as Hillary. Now that Trump is the president, it's his "turn." But to think one side has carte blanche, or even a bias towards, what is described in your meme is ignorance in the extreme.
!. Bring jobs and business back to our country
2.Stop all the insane regulations that have stifled small business. EPA, minimum wage, health ins
3. Making national security a priority. Stop calling it work place violence or just lone wolves when we are hit by terrorism right here in our own country. Isis the J.V. team. That was a good one.
4. Go into the inter cities and make them livable again. I think this is one of the things the left fears most.
5.Give respect back to the men and women who serve in our police forces.
6.Drain that swamp in Washington. Republican and Democrat's combined. They are all a bunch of elitist's who have no idea what is going on in the real world.. Hence why Trump broke the blue wall.
7. Get rid of ACA. I'm still waiting for my $2500.00 in lower premiums. I'm paying more and getting less. Unless something catastrophic happens hell will freeze over before I meet my deductible.
let me know if any of that happens, Ollie --- and btw right now the swamp is being filled with the richest crock-a diles - ever
Now Trump threatens the German auto industry with 35% import tax on their cars. There is no limit to the number of grenades this man is willing to throw out there, nor the depth of his stupidity.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-germany-autos-idUSKBN1500VJ
His main target, BMW, Trump apparently fails to recognize have a rather large plant in North Carolina supplying all the X5's to the global market. This is just one example.
I certainly don't want to pay 35% more for my next car, as Germany produces the only cars I actually like. And trade wars benefit no one.
The funny thing is how Trump, who doesn't drive, targets the auto industry so much and yet doesn't seem concerned about the garment industry which supplies his label with cheap labor from foreign lands. No conflict of interest there.
Mercedes builds cars in Alabama - BMW builds cars in Mexico and Spartanburg South Carolina it is in an effort to get them to move more manufacturing jobs here - businesses respond to incentives.
"His main target, BMW, Trump apparently fails to recognize have a rather large plant in North Carolina supplying all the X5's to the global market. This is just one example.
I certainly don't want to pay 35% more for my next car, as Germany produces the only cars I actually like. And trade wars benefit no one."
So buy an X5. They are made in *South* Carolina and won't be subject to the import tax.
I will say this... I drive past the BMW factory on I-85. It's an impressive complex with a test track and everything.
4catmom...I don't have to let you know anything. This is my opinion and I'm sorry if it doesn't agree with yours. Evidently it agrees with the majority of deplorable Americans. 3 more days till America becomes great again!
"So buy an X5."
I hate SUV's. Anyhow, it's not the point. When you attempt to alter purchasing habits through import duties, it only encourages laziness. American cars were at their absolute worst when import tariffs were high and the US had a monopoly on car sales within our borders. They only improved once foreign brands began eating our lunch with far superior products.
I never anticipated this would be this much fun. I have lived through 12 presidents in my working years, and had to make lifestyle changes for everyone. I never threw a hissy fit.
Old Gent I would have voted for any candidate willing to crack down on illegal immigration and repeal the unafordable care act. What I wouldn't give to have my old plan, the one I didn't get to keep, back.
So it's ok for someone to REFUSE SERVICE to sing at the inauguration, but NOT ok to refuse service to bake a cake, both based on political/moral beliefs. Both are services being provided to the public, for money. But one is ok to discriminate while the other is not. The hypocrisy of the left is a large part of their undoing, everyone sees right through it.
SD I really hope Trump comes through so we don't have to try to read your long posts anymore...
Ollie, Clean water and air are insane regulations? Do you want this country to revert to the unregulated factories that created our Superfund sites?
Would you be ok living and drinking from arsenic and cadmium laced water? How about your yard devoid of vegetation from smelting plants like those that existed in the upper Lehigh Valley? Do you not appreciate the fact that bald eagles and birds of prey can now reproduce since DDT has been banned long enough?
much can and will be said about the state of our country, and its standing in the world's eyes....but one thing is crystal clear and has from the beginning....Donald J.Trump is a sick and twisted man...we can see it so clearly, in his manner, his words, his narcissism, his choices, his lack of concern for others, his lies.....need I go on?.....this is the crux of the matter for all those opposed to this person....he will make America small, as it never has been, in the eyes of the world and as anyone with common sense can see....
ianimal 
"Would you be ok living and drinking from arsenic and cadmium laced water?"
False Dilemma... there's a whole lot of space between "arsenic laced water" and "insane regulations".
"I think most Trump supporters have a 140-character attention span, lol.
We're in good company.
“Brevity is the soul of wit.”
― William Shakespeare, Hamlet
“It is my ambition to say in ten sentences what others say in a whole book.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
“Be sincere, Be brief, Be seated.”
― Franklin D. Roosevelt
“The secret of a good sermon is to have a good beginning and a good ending; and to have the two as close together as possible.”
― George Burns
“Clarity of thought is a must for brevity in speech.”
― Somali K Chakrabarti
“Brevity in writing is very powerful”
― Lance Greenfield
Yankeefan Got me kepa. That's exactly what I want.Dirty water and dead birds. Oh, and my back yard totally brown, so I don't have to mow anymore. I hope I haven't used up my 140-character attention span.
3 more days and America will be great again. Happy days are here again!!!!
The top 20 percent of income earners are extremely liberal and committed to state imposed wealth transfer for economic programs geared towards benefitting minorities and immigrants - altruism ok nothing horrible there.
They also believe America to be an economic meritocracy - ergo due to their intellectual superiority they have a RIGHT to have more than everyone else (I quite frankly believe this guilt is what drives so many of them to be liberals, but I digress. ).
If you are not a minority, gainfully employed and are a U.S. citizen they are quite literally blind to you - worse yet - you are a revenue center to fund their social experiments. So unless you are pulling in over $360 K or under $23K - you literally are a Matrix Battery.
http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/05/05/308380342/most-americans-make-it-to-the-top-20-percent-at-least-for-a-while
Keep denigrating and shaming Trump supporters - your party is LAUGHING at you liberals - and remember, keep working millions on public assistance depend on your support.
I'm not really sure why I'm asking, but out of curiosity, Ollie, how old are you and at what point in time do you personally envision were great times? You say happy days are here again...meaning they were at some point in your life, I assume.
On the ELECTORAL College: have any of you watched a tennis match?
Player A wins the first set: 6 games to 1
Player B wins the second set: 6 games to 4
Player B wins the third and final set 6 games to 4
Who wins the match and why?---- would the anti-elect. college folks give the match to player A?--- I guess so?????----- it's an analogy.... think about it...
On making America Great Again: a lot of voters feel/felt that we lost our American Exceptionalism somehow and want it back. Is that a bad thing? plus I'm sure Trump knew it would strike a nerve with the Dem. establishment. was he right??
On fear of a Trump dictatorship: as strict constructionists, I believe the Republicans will demand that the 45th Pres. NOT rule via Executive order. If laws are passed and policies implemented properly then history will determine which style of leading was constitutional POTUS 44 or 45 , both or neither.....
I'm looking forward to your comments.... thanks...
Sd said, "What you, the little guy, get in the US is a brand new job at a non-Union mandated factory in a South Eastern US State where they pay you 33% less salary than a Union worker. So sure, you might see some jobs from Trump's tariffs, but you will never see the lifestyle these workers had from only ten years ago. Trump sells you the auto dream and delivers the South Carolina shakedown."
The lifestyle these workers were afforded by the Union jobs was putting GM and Chrysler on the verge of Bankruptcy. From CBS News article in 2008.
The Associated Press reported that, for example, the average United Auto Workers member makes $29.78 per hour at GM, while Toyota pays its workers (most of whom are non-union) about $30 per hour. However, when total benefits (including pensions and health care for workers, retirees and their spouses) is factored in, GM's total hourly labor costs is about $69, while Toyota's is about $48.
kb2755 I'd like to think I'm one of the few liberals here who has accepted the outcome of the election since day one. Everyone should...because that is the way the system is currently set up. It can change to a true majority wins arrangement if the political will is there. Regardless, something tells me if Hillary had won the E.C. but Trump had 2.8 million more votes, you'd see liberals clinging to the E.C. system and you'd be hearing most of the republican voices on this thread crying about the fact that more people voted for their candidate. Both sides are guilty.
Now pass the popcorn so I can watch this train wreck happen.
JR ----- "refuse service"??? That's hysterical.
Performing artists have the freedom and right to pick and choose what venues they will perform at. They are not slaves.
However, the sex assaulter trump wrongfully will not answer reporter's questions if he doesn't like the question. He picks and chooses which journalist and which question he will answer.
THAT is practicing EXCLUSION and will not be tolerated by Americans.
Oh, absolutely not. But sitting here arguing about which-state-if-removed-could-have-changed-the-outcome or how Hillary still had 2.8 million more votes isn't going to help change the issue that Donald....Trump...is going to be our president.
(gosh I hate typing that.)
Ollie, from what I got from your earlier post, sounds like your using the ACA, now. You said" unless something catastrophic happens, hell will freeze over, before I meet my deductible". What if something catastrophic does happen to you (heaven forbid)? Are you ready to give up your very last penny.... everything you worked so hard for, because insurance companies would no longer cover pre-existing conditions and the lifetime cap would be put back on. A month, in the hospital would take your home away (if you have one), or garnish any future income you may have, until the bill is paid. If they replace the ACA with something "better".... and it really IS better, I will humbly apologize to every Trump supporter. I don't even care if they call it "Trumpcare", as I know how egotistical Trump is, as long as getting ill doesn't cause a major financial meltdown to the patients. Yup... just three more days, and we all will be living in a brand new country.... one that used to be great(maybe back in the 50's, when there was a luxury tax, and the ultra wealthy were in a higher tax bracket). We will see...
I'm 61. So I well remember how life was under Ronald Regan. And it was a hell of a lot better than now. As far as some thing catastrophic happening to me under ACA it won't cover crap. Just like it does now. Oh, and I do own a house. Just so you know.
3 more days until we make America Great again. And yes, happy days will be here again.
"Performing artists have the freedom and right to pick and choose what venues they will perform at. They are not slaves. "
And people who own their own businesses (bakeries) ARE SLAVES, Deplorable Girl?
(BTW- being a performing artist IS owning your own business, in case you're too deplorable to figure that one out). Services for a fee- just like ALL businesses.
What if your landscaper refused to service you because you were a muslim? Or your muslim handyman refused to service you because you were gay? EXACTLY THE SAME THING. You either have the "right" to choose who you work for (if you own your own business), or you DO NOT. "Discriminating against gays" is ZERO difference from discriminating against muslims, christians, OR REPUBLICANS.
Once again, Mike Rowe hits it OUT. OF. THE. PARK.
https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/videos/1408353455841460/
Now the president is commuting sentences of terrorists. Friday can't come soon enough.
Wow, rough crowd here. I'm sure glad my personal policy is to not engage in political arguments online, I'd be exhausted by now. LOL
Anyway, if any of the local Deporables are interested in meeting up somewhere on Friday to watch and celebrate the inauguration of the 45th POTUS, feel free to PM me.
That's all, carry on.
Calico696 
Commutes sentence of Manning. Nice. Now we're letting traitors to our country free. Talk about a slap in the face to the intel community and our brave men and women who put their lives on the line to protect our country. 2 days till we make America great again. Can't imagine what other damage the president will do to this country till then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRrDVmiIVHk&feature=youtu.be
Tucker Carlson - YOUR COMPANY IS A HOAX. "Owner" of "Paid Protest Company" is exposed
Definitely one of my favorite Tucker interviews.
Greg Oh Ollie, lighten up.
First, Obama has prosecuted more leak cases that all other Presidents combined.
Second, in our entire history, most "leakers" get 3 years or less, she has served 7. 35 years is unprecedented and a new US prison time record for such a crime.
Commutation is not a pardon for the crime, it's just adjusting the time which, in this case, was certainly unusual, historically speaking, and therefore many believed cruel as well.
I think a new 7-year standard for whistle-blowing US secrets is probably deterrent enough for our citizens. Especially when the leak, like this one, has aspects of a public service announcement.
Here's an interesting view: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-18/obama-trolls-trump-with-clemency-for-manning
Meanwhile Trump signaled that he might rescind the commutation because it was an act of political correctness. Does this idiot even understand the process?
JeffersonRepub - There is no "Deplorable Girl". That would be sexist, and an insult to deplorables.
Callico696 - Great idea.
Skippy, the Peyton Manning portion was priceless. Not exactly a great try at fake news though.
"JeffersonRepub - There is no "Deplorable Girl". That would be sexist, and an insult to deplorables."
You sure it's just because you can't get a date?
Spring Fever deplorable - well, I'm a man, so that makes me defacto sexist in today's la-la land.
(unless I was a black, male, soon-to-be-ex-president, in which case I wouldn't be sexist, I'd be Jesus Christ incarnate.)
"no not fake news - fake paid protest company" sort of like Trump's fake support group where he paid supporters. Big deal.
The fact that one enjoys the concept of "deplorable," speaks volumes. Be proud, do something politically incorrect today. Go out of your way to make someone feel bad. Excellent goal.
The hate for Trump should be on the DNC for choosing such a horrible candidate.
Hillary should be occupying a 6x10 cell for the remainder of her life, in general population and if she doesn't get a pardon,she just amy be in a cell.
Her resume is nonsense titles,zero positive accomplishments, and vast amounts of total fail.
She was a horrible politician and candidate, a night and day difference than her husband and his coattails that provided her entire career.
The fact that she alone among candidates managed to lose to the most hated Republican candidate since Goldwater, maybe ever....add in a record Dem electors not choosing her... cements her status as biggest loser in US politics history.
Joe SD Tucker Carlson outed someone who claimed to being paid to protest. This goes with your narrative - it was just funny. Not everything is an affront to democracy
Oh come off it Joe. I'm so tired of hearing (from both sides) that someone is "the worst" candidate/politician/president ever. It's amazing how all these worsts are all in very recent memory. You think Hillary Clinton is the worst? How about someone like Joseph McCarthy?
"The fact that one enjoys the concept of "deplorable," speaks volumes."
The fact that *Hillary* finds us deplorable means we're doing something right.
Come Friday, the sun will still rise, HL will still bicker and our nation will shake, rattle and roll with each footstep of the new President elect as he enters what he sees as his kingdom to rule like Twitter.
Side effects may include greater economic and gender disparities, distressed foreign relations even among allied forces, less access to affordable health care, more guns on the street, a warmer climate,
Oops, it seems I exceeded my 140 characters.
"more guns on the street"
What street is this? I'll go pick them up... darn litterbugs.
"Side effects may include greater economic and gender disparities, distressed foreign relations even among allied forces, less access to affordable health care, more guns on the street, a warmer climate,"
Side effects may also include greater national pride, greater consumer confidence, greater economic prosperity for the people at large, more jobs created and a housing market recovery, greater relationships with our allies since the president will actually call terrorism by it's nameand not alienate Israel, a universal healthcare plan that actually works WITHOUT forcing people to buy it or be fined, or switch doctors/plans, (and even more importantly: a VA that ACTUALLY WORKS and HEALS it's patients- frankly, they deserve free and top-notch healthcare MORE THAN ANYONE HERE), and no further attacks on the 2nd Amendment, with the bonus of reasonable ammo prices and availability.
As far as the climate goes-once "global cooling" turned into"global warming" turned into "climate change".... right. BTW, did you know the sun revolves around the earth? At one time, it was an indisputable scientific "fact." But that's a whole 'nuther thread.
Unfortunately, with the venomous hatred coming out of the left, there will be no "bringing the country together"- they will not allow it. As the politicians want it. The only hope in truly bringing the country together- at least SOME- is if Trump's plans do improve the economy, jobs, and security- FOR REAL, not on some "study." If the majority of Americans feel he's doing a good job (or even a decent one), he WILL be re-elected. Just like Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and dare I say, Obama, before him.
T-minus 21-1/2 hours until the next chapter of "As The 2-Party System Turns"...
For the record, I DON'T think Trump - or ANYONE- can accomplish that list. But most of us will settle for 2 or 3 of the items. REAL economic recovery/more jobs and security (both border and terrorism) would be plenty enough, and scores more than Mr. Obama has done.
But the hatred will not heal.
Calling people "haters" has become a standard way to deflect critics, implying that they are too jealous or small-minded to possibly be right.
"Unfortunately, with the venomous hatred coming out of the left, there will be no "bringing the country together"- they will not allow it."
Oh come on. There is plenty of venomous hatred coming from the right. Go onto a Fox News article and make a comment that doesn't conform to a conservative view. I guarantee you'll be called a "libtard" many times over.
"Go onto a Fox News article and make a comment that doesn't conform to a conservative view."
At least the conservative sites generally *allow* comments. It's amazing how many left leaning organizations want to start "conversations" but provide no means to do so (also known as an echo chamber).
"At least the conservative sites generally *allow* comments. It's amazing how many left leaning organizations want to start "conversations" but provide no means to do so (also known as an echo chamber)."
And social networks biasing what they let through....
"Facebook workers routinely suppressed news stories of interest to conservative readers from the social network’s influential “trending” news section, according to a former journalist who worked on the project. This individual says that workers prevented stories about the right-wing CPAC gathering, Mitt Romney, Rand Paul, and other conservative topics from appearing in the highly-influential section, even though they were organically trending among the site’s users."
"did you know the sun revolves around the earth? At one time, it was an indisputable scientific "fact."
No, this was a pre-science religious or philosophical "fact".
Oh geez. More proud? I'm going to vomit some more. I just came out of the hospital and was talking to a nurse whose family is from Ukraine. And she does not understand what we did. She just kept saying America is a powerful respected country. I listen to Obama and it's beautiful, very elegant. I listen to him and I think, what? What did he say? How can he represent the most powerful country in the world? What have you done? I could only shake my head.
RAS From the department of Wish I Had The Source For That Fact: "At least the conservative sites generally *allow* comments. It's amazing how many left leaning organizations want to start "conversations" but provide no means to do so (also known as an echo chamber)."
From the department of Really? That's What You Call Hatred: "Unfortunately, with the venomous hatred coming out of the left"
But I do give you points for your economic theory which is independent of party. This stuff goes away with 4.0 GDP growth.
Based on your vote: good luck with that: "The average amount of all jobs created during Democratic Presidential terms is 1,748,610 and the average amount during Republican Presidential terms is 880,500.
The average amount of private sector jobs created during Democratic Presidential terms is 1,536,560 and the average amount during Republican Presidential terms is 650,330.
Therefore, the average amount of non-private sector jobs created during Democratic Presidential terms is 212,050 and the average amount during Republican Presidential terms is 230,170."
http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/ http:/truthfulpolitics.com/comments/u-s-job-creation-by-president-political-party/
Look at the bright side. You guys created more government jobs on average.
And Trump is ONLY looking for 2,500,000 new jobs a year. Every year. For 10 years.
Lastly, look at Obama's first year and the year before that he inherited. Now look at the rest of the chart. Given the economic turmoil in the past, and given those two years, given 3.5 on/off wars (syria, terrorism, afghanistan, Iraq), given the loss in revenue due to Bush/Obama tax cuts; and then given what happened over the next 7 years. Economically speaking, that's an amazing picture that we are still standing much less barely stubbed a toe along the journey during it all.
You show me any facts that would lead you to believe you could deliver 2,5million new jobs a year for a decade. Clock started 1/1/17....
"No, this was a pre-science religious or philosophical "fact".
...that many of the day's scientists agreed with. Hmm.... remember, CONSENSUS = SCIENCE!
And we care about the opinion of someone from the Ukraine, who has no understanding of our founding, constitution, and politics... why?
But hey- as long as we're taking foreigners opinions, here's a list of foreigners glad Hillary lost...
Nigel Farage
Vladimir Putin
Benjamin Netanyahu
...but of course, THEIR opinions don't matter... global political leaders... but some Ukraine woman's vague opinion...does. Uh-huh.
As long as a DEMOCRAT is president, we need to "become better friends with" foreign countries (as long as they aren't Israel, and sometimes the UK).... but if a REPUBLICAN is president, any good relations with foreign countries (especially Israel, Russia, and UK), is a "bad" thing. You people are pathetic.
"From the department of Really? That's What You Call Hatred: "Unfortunately, with the venomous hatred coming out of the left""
So you quoted *me* and then argue something *JR* said? You're getting mixed up dude.
No, there were no scientists, in the modern sense.
For anyone interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science
Mark - which sites don't allow comments?
I generally go to the news sources through Facebook and all allow commenting (and there are lots of right-leaning comments even from the more liberal stations, so it doesn't seem like they're censored out), so I'm not really familiar with what you're talking about.
And, btw, my original point stands. Plenty of venom coming from the right - so the left does not totally own the blame for the failure to unify. Regardless of which websites allow commenting.
"I generally go to the news sources through Facebook"
Ahem...
"Facebook workers routinely suppressed news stories of interest to conservative readers from the social network’s influential “trending” news section, according to a former journalist who worked on the project. This individual says that workers prevented stories about the right-wing CPAC gathering, Mitt Romney, Rand Paul, and other conservative topics from appearing in the highly-influential section, even though they were organically trending among the site’s users."
Well ( I know you will roll your eyes), but gun related stuff on YouTube , for example.
NRA content allows comments, not so for "Everytown for Gun Safety", which is Michael Bloomberg's organization that has gone through a few name changes over time.
Funny this is, I found this on FaceBook.
http://www.snopes.com/is-facebook-censoring-conservative-news/
My goodness JR, this has been floating about since last Spring. Or maybe you don't care which is why you skipped sourcing this time.....
Before you say "Snopes oh the horror of it all," I am pretty sure I can find other sources so at least have some sources of your own before the ask.
Otherwise,
BUSTED
Mark, no matter the topic of the thread, with you it always comes down to guns. Sad one trick pony.
If you trust snopes as the end-all of truth, then yes I guess you'd consider it busted. But we've had that discussion before. Snopes is no more credible than anyone else.
I'm sure you'll stop at "Breitbart" (because it's not "Huffington Post" or "salon"), but...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/16/facebook-aclu-fake-news/
Now, you may AGREE with Zuckerberg's actions and think them "reasonable", but they are still CENSORSHIP and news CONTROL, nonetheless.
The sex assaulter's approval ratiing is now at 37%.
Many people now realize they made a big mistake voting for this bigot.
Hmm yankeefan. Maybe because 2nd Amendment rights were a big part of why Trump got elected - so it's not a stretch to see the relation to this topic.
I see you'd rather just throw around (attempted) insults than dispute (because you can't) that the "right" group fosters discussion while the "left" group doesn't - since that was an example I was asked to provide.
"Well then" ----
Yes, you don't split a country apart.
But that is exactly what the sexual assaulter has done, by being who he is and saying what he has said.
For those of you, who want a "planned family", better get over to Planned Parenthood ASAP! The women can get an I.U.D, that will get them through a Trump administration, without forcing more abused, unwanted children to be born.
I'd say 2nd Amendment rights were far from being a "big part" of why Trump got elected. Not really even in the top five or six reasons, so yes, it is kind of a stretch.
As for "insults", and the "right" fostering discussion, I'd use HL as a microcosm of the country and ask you to go back and read through this and the other Trump thread, and the election thread, because if you do you'll see that the posters on the "left" pretty consistently raised actual issues, concerns and discussion points. Posters on the "right", generally failed to debate or raise counterpoints. More often than not, with a few exceptions, "right" responses fell into the "ugh Hillary" or "ewww Obama" category. In very few instances were posts from the 'left", expressing concerns and positions, met with actual thought out opposing viewpoints.
It's a little like "Repeal and Replace". OK, fine, repeal and replace with what? Eight years later and we still don't know. From my perspective, the only discussions fostered by the right centered around " lock her up", and "build that wall". Neither of which is going to happen.
JIT, information regarding your IUD question:
https://clearhealthcosts.com/blog/2014/01/much-iud-birth-control-cost-draft/
"I'd say 2nd Amendment rights were far from being a "big part" of why Trump got elected. Not really even in the top five or six reasons, so yes, it is kind of a stretch. "
And that's why you don't understand why he won, or understand the other half of the American people. After Sandy Hook, there was a grand assault on gun rights country-wide, and gun owners fought back... and won. But it is tiring, constantly protecting constitutional rights, and it will be a nice 4-8 year break where we don't have to worry about such tyranny.
They're losing their minds.... LITERALLY....
http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Allegedly-Tries-to-Set-Self-on-Fire-in-Trump-Protest-411021895.html
Yankeefan, seems to me that most folks see only what they want to see. Yourself included.
I think we can agree that both candidates were very polarizing. Much more than in any prior elections. So please tell me how "united " and how y'all would be getting over it if HRC had won. Right. And all the republicans would be peacefully attending the inauguration. Right. And no one would be organizing protests or decrying about which stars would be performing at the "celebration ". Right. I think I got it. Right.
It is our right and our duty to stand up to what we don't like- and I guess we better do it now before we don't have that right anymore.
"And we care about the opinion of someone from the Ukraine, who has no understanding of our founding, constitution, and politics... why?" JeffersonRepub
Because more than half the country likely feels the same way. I know I do.
Oh, and I'm so sorry that the slaughter of 26 innocent children and teachers was such a burden on you and your gun rights. Tell me, how many of your guns were confiscated from you after that?
Tracy So because gun videos on youtube don't allow comments, that means the right is totally willing to unify and the left is totally to blame? I don't really understand that logic.
And JR, I follow a lot of right wing news sources on Facebook so I have a variety of sources. The little blurb you posted is about the "trending" section, which I don't particularly utilize. I just look through my news feed at all the different sources I follow, so your point is moot.
Just when you think CNN couldn't go any lower....
This is CNN.
http://www.infowars.com/cnn-if-trump-is-killed-during-inauguration-obama-appointee-would-be-president/
Not fake news like you would think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vFxbNZ8q4g
"So because gun videos on youtube don't allow comments, that means the right is totally willing to unify and the left is totally to blame? I don't really understand that logic."
No, just that on some specific topics where there is a definite left/right divide, one side is consistently willing to let everyone speak and respond to their content (for or against) and one side consistently prefers to not allow any dissenting opinions be visible on or near their content. This, despite always whining that we don't engage them in "conversation".
Go to Mother Jones, Huffington Post, etc and see how long any pro-gun commenter is welcome (whether actually banned or just shunned). Sites like The Truth about Guns, while certainly leaning one direction on content, actually *encourages* articles and comments from those with a different point of view - and enforces "No Flame" policies for ALL discussions.
Alrighty then. So we're all in agreement that both sides are equally to blame for the unwillingness to unify.
Talk to each other about the concerns that person is actually expressing rather than attacking "the left" or "the right".
"Tell me, how many of your guns were confiscated from you after that?"
None. But not for lack of trying. Legal gun owners fought back en masse countrywide, and won. Thank you founding fathers for your wonderful Bill of rights.
AND... in NY state, they DID pass the SAFE Act, which DID require mandatory surrender of certain firearms.... few complied. Mark would be better armed to discuss the details of that one.
"And JR, I follow a lot of right wing news sources on Facebook so I have a variety of sources. The little blurb you posted is about the "trending" section, which I don't particularly utilize. I just look through my news feed at all the different sources I follow, so your point is moot."
To YOU. ONE person. Which is not the point, but you know that.
"Alrighty then. So we're all in agreement that both sides are equally to blame for the unwillingness to unify."
I would agree to this, with the caveat: AT THIS TIME, the LEFT are far less willing to unify, and have much more hatred, than the right. I guess that's normal, having lost the election. But it's still a fact.
I have already stated even if Trump does well and lasts 8 years, the "unification" won't last: just like it didn't after Reagan. The DC elite DON'T WANT a well-liked by all president; they DON'T WANT both sides to "work together"... that would negate their game plan of fear mongering and hate spreading which allows them to keep their jobs, without having to ACTUALLY DO their jobs. The DIVIDE is what keeps the political establishment THRIVING. And the sooner most Americans figure that out, the sooner maybe we can ACTUALLY make America great again (I won't hold my breath)
"Before you say "Snopes oh the horror of it all," I am pretty sure I can find other sources so at least have some sources of your own before the ask."
I just knew Jr. didn't have the stuff to come up with actual sources to prove Facebook censorship. He seems to be printing a lie because when tasked, he can't defend it with facts he changes the narrative from Facebook worker story suppression on pro-conservative stories to a systemic suppression version foisted by Zuckerberg. Same topic, different facts.
I was arguing the facts; Jr. gave up as usual and moved to new facts to make his claim. Again he can't back up what he says.
On the new facts, I will let them speak for themselves from the story jr posted. The argument now is that it's not employees censoring Facebook (as Jr. alleged before but couldn't back up his words), but Zuckerberg is censoring Facebook via a plan called Faceblocking. Faceblocking uses a third party (Snopes and a group of at least seven third-party groups) to discover face news and label as such. Fake news is signaled by Facebook users themselves so readers are determining which stories are reviewed. The news is not removed, but it is deprioritized for other Facebook subscribers so they fall farther down the story list and are highlighted as being potentially fake.
So all that Facebook is doing is fact-checking, highlighting the suspicious news, potential fake, supported by said facts proving said fakeness, and then deprioritizing it so it doesn't automatically fill your news space. It is not censored, it is deprioritized.
The ALCU says: “We do not think Facebook should set itself up as an arbiter of truth … [but] this may be the best, most carefully crafted approach for the company to take,” said a statement from Jay Stanley, a “Senior Policy Analyst” for the ACLU’s speech, privacy, and technology project."
Jr. says "but they are still CENSORSHIP and news CONTROL, nonetheless."
But then again Jr. can't source his first tirade into this. Who's to say what he's posting now......
According to his post: "It is an approach based on combatting bad speech with more speech. Instead of squelching or censoring stories, Facebook includes more information with posts, telling people, in effect, that “this party here says this material shouldn’t be trusted.”
The Russian people pray for jr's level of censorship. Neocons used to hate anything Russian. But our communist leaning conservatives have an issue with people attempting to identify fake news. They link identification with censorship. I mean what's next, actually caring about Trump's daily lies?
These new commiecons like jr. want to serve Putin and create as much chaos in America as they can. Why do you think Snowden lives in Putin's country? Jr not only posts fake news but will not even try to support it when called to the carpet. Commiecon fake news got Trump elected and jr and the other commiecons want as much of it as they can get.
Yeah, the point is that you were wrong and both sides are to blame for the lack of unity. Which somehow you manage to continually deflect. All of your "I'm not a republican" crap is just BS talk. You defend the Republicans at any opportunity and blame everything you can on the left.
Interesting, I just took a quick look at the SAFE Act and I didn't read anything about "mandatory surrender" of anything. I did see the part about how current owners of newly banned weapons would be grandfathered in, allowing them to keep those weapons, providing they register them, for free. In the alternative, they could SELL their weapons to the state, privately outside of the state, or remove the banned characteristics of the weapon. Doesn't sound like forced confiscation to me, but I'm no expert.
Wow! What next!?! That was beyond irresponsible. Wolf's loosing it, apparently so is CNN...
"These new commiecons like jr. want to serve Putin and create as much chaos in America as they can."
You've found me out, SD! I'm really a russian double-agent sent here by Putin to destroy America from the inside! ROFLMAO
MB- sucks to be you, so blinded with the dark side of the force. I'm not defending republicans, I'm pointing out that the liberals are the CURRENT cause of all the violence and hatred going on, and that's an absolute fact. The next time a democrat gets elected president, and conservatives start torturing and beating people for voting for them, I will be the 1st person in line decrying it. But that likely won't happen, since is hasn't in recent history. I believe it was Skippy, in the previous incarnation of this thread (Part 1) who illustrated, with links, all the hatred and violence being perpetrated by the left. The truth can stand on it's own.
And no, I'm not a republican- but neither is Trump LOL
The term "fake news" should be reserved for stuff like what is described here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/us/fake-news-hillary-clinton-cameron-harris.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Spring Fever,
Idiot CNN was also wrong stating an Obama cabinet member would then be President.
If something happened to Trump,Pence,Speaker Paul Ryan, and President Pro. Tem. Orrin Hatch before the line of succession would start going down the cabinet.
Reagan unified a polarized country, perhaps more polarized than now. However he did it, that's one way that it's done.
“I’ve often wondered how you could be president, and not be an actor" he said of being The Great Communicator. The fact was he used acting skills but was not an actor when he took his oath. He was our President.
Bush Sr., a great American hero President, got caught in his communication and could never recover, much less unify the nation.
Clinton made not have unified but his great economy lowered the volume a lot.
Bush jr. had 9/11 to galvanize the country into a single force for that "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden" moment and yet found a way to extinguish that light, take out the bulb and break it.
Obama was a great speech maker, a good man, a smart man, and an honest man, but he was not The Great Communicator, got caught on a number of talk points, and did not unify the nation.
So here we are and based on history, there is no way that Trump is even in the ballpark with The Great Communicator. We know he is not honest, he is not a good guy. Frankly, the only hope we have of unification is the economy or a short four years with a long memory for the truth that is Trump.
"You've found me out, SD! I'm really a russian double-agent sent here by Putin to destroy America from the inside! ROFLMAO."
Again you deflect, this time with an attempt at humor, the fact that you posted fake news and can not support it except to say well there's other fake news. You are BUSTED again.
And no comrade, I do not see you as practicing espionage, more like a useful idiot, a Putin puppet ready to dance commiecon-style when he pulls your strings because winning is more important than freedom.
"And it means not acting as if this was a normal election whose result gives the winner any kind of a mandate, or indeed any legitimacy beyond the bare legal requirements. It might be more comfortable to pretend that things are O.K., that American democracy isn’t on the edge. But that would be taking useful idiocy to the next level."
And that' where jr. lives: the next level.
Now quit rolling around. You'll get your onesie dirty.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/opinion/useful-idiots-galore.html?_r=0
JIT said- Yankeefan, seems to me that most folks see only what they want to see. Yourself included.
Hmmm...so, is that what you want to see?
Joe, not that I liked CNN's report (which I watched on your youtube link), but the subject was what happens if there were a disaster that disables everyone at the inaugural. In that case, no VP, speaker of the house, etc. No, I don't like this reporting, but don't know it to be inaccurate (kind of interesting, unfortunately).
Can you imagine what would have happened if CNN did this report in '09 with Obama?
A very off report to do the day before the inauguration?
It's almost a call for some nut case to do the deed.
Jeez,even if you hate Trump,this is a report that should have never aired. Very irresponsible.
CNN ratings are the lowest of the cable news networks.I think CNN just may go tabloid journalism to try and do something to get their ratings up.Like the National Enquirer of the 70's/80's.
Trump should ban CNN from the Press Room.
The report did bring to mind for me the ABC's show Designated Survivor which is a show I like a lot.
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Sorry yankeefan, my post got cut off. I meant to include myself in that comment and say that we each weigh what's important to us and tend to downplay/minimize information that doesn't fit each of our world views.
Trump is our president. Like his picks or not he is the one we all need to surround whatever party you do or don't support. Every organization inherits the good and the bad from the previous. What a great leader or manager does is manage each part the correct way. Society always focuses on how easy it is to manage the good parts when in fact the hard parts are the hardest to manage. A persons measure is based on how he or she handles the hard parts. Trump ran the most impromptu and most unconventional campaign ever and WON. That should show us two things. People are tired of favored owed Washington and new rules may apply. Let him, his family and cabinet prove us wrong. Until then support our leader as any team needs support!
Mr Happy Mr Happy, the best read in this whole lengthy thread. We should be showing the world stage that our democracy works. Whether we agree or disagree, we should come together for the good of our Country and for ourselves. I don't understand the need to continue to whine, protest and hopefully not worse. I hope and pray he succeeds. I think so much of this is due to the availability of social media and the news media who have nothing better to do than stir the pot. I think this atmosphere will be the new norm for our elections going forward. Scares me.
justwondering Hey, I have said --- he's the Pres. Frankly I think skipping the inauguration is over the top, but it's a free country --- so far.
Where does the Constitution or anything else of relevance say we need to come together to show that our Democratic Republic works? Quite the opposite, I think.
As to the whining, that's just what poor winners brand vocal losers. To say somehow the progressives are acting worse than the conservatives have is either unfounded or just a simple generalization. If for no other reason than it's too soon to tell. Trump picked a crummy elitist cabinet and he heard about it. He has tweeter mugged a few and he heard about it. And different groups are protesting mostly based on the cabinet picks and what that portends. I mean the progressives haven't even attempted to shut down the government yet. Oh wait, that was some other good sport.
Trump's Education Secretary Nominee is one of the funniest of the bunch. Grizzly Devos, Trump's pick, is an idiot when it comes to Educational Issues. Why did she even turn up if she wasn't going to take it seriously? It's not a good sign if you say "I was confused" more than a few times...... I mean she may be rich, she may be smart, but she knows very little about the subject matter she was about to direct for our nation.
This one is worth ripping; I suggest a good red to go with the popcorn. Commiecons can boo Franken and the like, and progressives can just stare in amazement at what she doesn't know during what some have labelled "the job interview worse than that dream where you arrive in school without your pants."
The quotes from this session are pretty funny. Of course, the quote of the year (so far): "I would imagine that there is probably a gun in the schools to protect from potential grizzlies." You should see the one for the Muslims....
When asked about the IDEA law, she said: "I may have confused it," you betcha!
DeVos under pressure agreed that sexual assault is bad and that she would call what Trump described as sexual assault. So glad we can kick that one around for a 4-year minimum. Lucky she doesn't have to worry about Trump grabbing her....no, not that, this: she has too much money for him to risk that.
So, yeah, I think I don't have to come together for that crap. No based on what these folks have said and done.
Seems like he is going kicking and screaming. I don't remember any President doing this many interviews/news conferences prior to leaving. He should be home packing his socks and undies. Farewell Sir!
Count down, it's like New Year's Eve. And not having Hillary as POTUS is like getting the best Christmas present ever!!
auntiel No requirement to be unified but it would certainly me nice to move forward together as a people
thecoach 
Gadfly 
To the protestors: you have every right to be there and voice your displeasure. It's what this country was founded on. Civil disobedience is a wonderful thing.
To the law enforcement: if violence ensues, turn the water cannons and tear gas on them. Violence and property destruction should not be tolerated.
Personally, I think a million people marching in DC and doing it PEACEFULLY could move mountains (for their cause), but if they throw a tantrum instead and get violent, all it will do is further tarnish their already-established reputation as crybabies and sore losers and violent criminals.
Unless the protestors want to start the second revolution, in which case all bets are off, but unfortunately for the left, they would have to be armed for that, and they don't believe in the 2nd Amendment. Pity how that worked out for them lol. A revolution can certainly be done without arms- just look at MLK. But he also didn't incite or perform violence and property destruction. Choose your path carefully.
Not to worry about Obama's incredible approval rating. Your savior has one of the lowest approval ratings in history. Even Trump voters don't like hiim anymore.
Yeah, tilting at windmills. I remember when I stood in a small group protesting Bush. How,d that turn out for you?
See you in Washington for the women's rally. Could be millions!
Obama's job approval rating is done by the same people who did the polls. How can anyone take them seriously? If Obama's approval numbers were true, Hillary would've won.
his rise in popularity is occurring at a time when our real unemployment is extremely high, we have a record number of people on public assistance, our GDP is 1.5%, we've been in armed conflicts with SEVEN countries and our national debt is at a record $20,000,000,000.00.
"Hello, we are conducting a national poll. Do you have time to answer a question? Good. President Obama is one of the most popular presidents in history. Do you approve of the job President Obama has done, or are you racist?"
Well, I'm not racist but...
"OK, thanks for participating! " and marks down another tick mark for "approves".
"Not to worry about Obama's incredible approval rating."
That has to be the fumiest thing I have heard all day...should be on the Friday funnies instead of here.
As far as I am concerned they cannot get him out of office soon enough...
I am more excited to see a change in management in this country then I am that it is "Trump" going in. It could be billy joe bob for all I care, as long as he/she went in with a different mindset then the previous looser. What we have done for years now is spiraling our country downward imo., and if you do not see that, you clearly have blinders on.
Darrin 
JR dispensing his pearls of wisdom to both law enforcement and the protestors. And multi-tasking at that, I guess making the point that if the left believed in the 2nd Amendment and were armed while protesting they'd have a better chance of inciting a revolution. No doubt ones of people are hanging on his every word.
"Obama's job approval rating is done by the same people who did the polls. How can anyone take them seriously?"
Yes. Because they made a mistake in 2016 all credibility must forever be taken away from them. Same with the media. Right? This is one of the biggest problems we have at the moment. People choosing to ignore traditional media, polls, science, and anyone who happens to be a professional or expert in their field are viewed as morons not to be believed.
What makes it worse is that people just end up turning to alt "news" sources that speak only to their side, furthering the divide. It's kind of like not believing your science teacher that water freezes at 32* because you saw it snowing out at 35*.
If Trump does succeed (not in ruination but in productive ways) and his approval ratings are sky high, by the new metric l suppose l have the right to assume the pollsters must be wrong. I mean, that's what republicans will do too, right? Or are the experts only wrong when it is against their team?
no you are spot on - the polls are only incorrect when SD says something bout them - carry on.
Polls? Polling says 66% are now optimistic about economic recovery. And that includes majorities in ALL 3 groups: republicans, independents, AND DEMOCRATS.
But of course, credit goes to Obama for that one, right? Of course. Consumer confidence over the Xmas season the highest in 10 years. But that's Obama's magic, right?
Nobody polled me. So the polls can't be good :)
Everyone likes a president better, once they're an ex.
maja2 
Eperot, there is no context provided with the "incredible" approval rating - i'ts just a number based on a question asked at a particular moment in time. I think JR has a bit of relevant info in that, at the time of polling, the "Trump Bump" in the stock market prior to the holiday season gave the illusion that things were looking up.
IMO better would be to look at the trend over time (there's those trends again lol) and overlay events to see how the approval numbers may have been swayed. I think that could provide some of the context as well.
I've never given any credence to popularity polls. All they do is represent a "mood" at a fixed moment in time and doesn't convey why that mood existed at that moment.
Best speech I've heard anywhere since Ronald Reagan.
Now it's time to deliver.
The Fascist States of America. The next four year turnover of our nation's power, influence, and people to Russia, major corporations, and hate sure should be fun! #maga
He's not the ex, he's got 5 minutes.....
"Or are the experts only wrong when it is against their team?" The beauty is when they say they are wrong, always without any supporting facts except it's happened before, so therefore we are right.
"no you are spot on - the polls are only incorrect when SD says something bout them - carry on." If you were going for a joke, and Lord only knows when you birdturfuls are being funny, that's a very good one!
But not so funny.....
"his rise in popularity is occurring at a time when our real unemployment is extremely high" Give me a break Skippy --- we have done this a few times. First, the government quoted unemployment numbers are as real as your. They come from the same place but count different groups. Even if we chose yours the relationship is the same between the two, about double. So, if 4.9% a rate which is considered pretty good, then your "more real" number is about twice that which is considered pretty good too.
"we have a record number of people on public assistance"
This is just kind of true. First, it's kind of expected to see soup lines during a depression. I re-posted a chart showing how severe the job loss was as Obama took office. What did you expect? It's amazing how oblivious people seem to be to the concept: HEY WAS A DEPRESSION-SIZED HOLE IN THE ECONOMY.
Since then, SNAP slowed starting 2012 and totals started falling in 2014, continuing in 2015. Millions have dropped off the rolls and 2016 will be the largest decline in years.
"our GDP is 1.5%"
OK, you mean GDP growth, but I get it. Yes, and our GDP is still 50% larger than China and 4 times larger or more than anyone else. Pretty hard to compare GDP growth without a treatise level of notes, but yes, 1.5% sucks. And what Trump promises to replace it with is AVERAGE. That's his target ---- average. And to do that he will grow jobs by a totally unrealistic rate of 2,500,000 jobs per year for 10 years in a row. Starting now..... At that point he will be the world's greatest jobs producer or the ass you voted for.
" we've been in armed conflicts with SEVEN countries" Are you pushing this one on Obama? Too much war? Come on.
"and our national debt is at a record $20,000,000,000.00."
Yes it is and I agree this is a bad thing. It was bad when Obama inherited it and he made it worse. He did not create it, he responded to the hand he was dealt. And what I keep asking you brave, thoughtful, respected conservatives is face with January 2009 ----- what the heck would you have done?
Hillary would have won if she had Putin on her side.
And....hey, what's that....oh no, it's happening......I'm melting.....first you dropped a house on my Hillary and now......I'll get you my pretties.......oh no, not water, not Trump water...... I'm m e l t I n........
Thank God Donald J Trump is now our President. I look forward to the changes that President Trump will make to improve our country.
Denise All you haters be sure to let us know when the actual fascism starts, mmm-kay?
(of course I mean MORE fascism than we already have, of course)
Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Hmm, that sounds awfully Republicratic to me ;-)
The primary thing Trump is adding is the air of dicatatorship. The rest had already been happening in various ways.
RAS
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Don't worry Trump won't Executive Order you out. It's unconstitutional... read it.
JR, I agree it was a very good speech. I was surprised because I was expecting the usual incoherent gibberish.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-18/new-abc-wapo-poll-uses-oversamples-goal-seek-strong-obama-approval-rating
New ABC / WaPo Poll Uses "Oversamples" To Goal Seek Strong Obama Approval Rating
SD - Barry and his legacy are done - the poll is fake -
whats the next headline?
"Trump evicts an African American family from home in DC - News at 11!!"
sorry - was busy cleaning my gat - did not hear you
4 cat - ill remember it because it was part of the inaugural address
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/trump-inaugural-address/index.html
Approval ratings? Are these the same pollsters that were predicting the election?
LMAO
"Chuck Schumer's speech was the great one."
It was a veiled attempt at repudiation of the new President and his goals. But you got that, I'm sure.
4catmom: agree 100%. NO MATTER WHO is president.
In other news, the left goes violent in downtown DC... throwing rocks, destroying property, arrest being made for rioting, pepper spray and pressure grenades being used. You lefties need to decide what it is you actually stand for... because "love, understanding, and tolerance" is NOT it.... as exhibited over and over again in recent years....
Also, Trump used only 4.8 million of the 6 million budgeted for the Inauguration... saving the taxpayers money already! LOL
JIT,
"America First", as Trump puts it, if you listened to the speech, was about the American PEOPLE over the DC establishment (in other words, THEY work for US), and about foreign aid and relations being put AFTER American interests. Like most political ideologies, it can be used or abused. After 8 years of NOT putting the country first, I think it's time to do so before spending money and lives on other countries' interests.
Only time will tell what he actually does.
El chapo is being extradited to new york. Maybe Hillary getting some pro bono experience before her announcement to run for NYC mayor. Then the dems can truly embrace her globalization, no border policy.
The most negative inaugural speech tinged with tones of disrespect to prior administrations. More like Make America Hate again, as if we stopped!
"The most negative inaugural speech"
Negative in terms of what DC establishment has made the country, yes. In terms of DC not listening to the American people. In terms of American pride being lost. In terms of America's foreign relations being decided by the global stage. In terms of the economy still not working. In terms of the military being weakened. In terms of homeland security not being very secure. Yes, very negative.
So you prefer the typical politician phony speech.Trump isn't a politician.He will tell it like it is with no sugarcoating.This is one of the reasons he was elected.
I find it refreshing.
"but if they throw a tantrum instead and get violent, all it will do is further tarnish their already-established reputation as crybabies and sore losers and violent criminals.... Choose your path carefully"
They have chosen.... poorly.
Skippy, zerohedge has been beating this drum without many hearing for sometime. Perhaps it starts with: "Apparently, ABC / WaPo believes that only 23% of registered voters are Republican..." when in truth when asked, do you identify as Dem or Repub, that's the normal result. Dems are about 20% higher. So, yes, Skippy, there are more Dems that Repubs..... And guess how that affects a favorability rating..... It's not like you pick even number of Dems and 5 Repubs.
Even The Atlantic says you're busted: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/the-clinton-polling-conspiracy-that-doesnt-exist/505211/
"How can you have an approval rating when you haven't done anything yet? lol..." Not that it's the case but even if it was: think about that Metsman.... Does doing nothing affect your approval rating? Should we ask Congress? How about doing nothing except select a cabinet from hell?
As for the speech.....
"We are one nation and their pain is our pain." What one, their....grammarian please :>)
“Today we are not transferring power not from one administration to another, or from one party to another, but we are transferring power from Washington, D.C., and giving it back to you, the people.” Paraphrasing Batman's Bane character villain seems all too appropriate.
And then on to the mainstay of everyday American life: the gangs, drugs, crime, poverty, and unemployment, Trump put the gauntlet down when he said, “This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.”
There was no unification, there was no pivot. It is the same rally speech. He talked about how he will remember all the forgotten Americans but said nothing about all the Americans he has left behind already. He summed well when he said: “The time for empty talk is over. Now arrives the hour of action." Rock n Roll.
After the speech, God wept over Washington and the umbrellas came out.
Day 1: Well Lord, heard a nice speech today although there was little in there to unify me to this fascist. Seemed to be more about beating other people up so I guess that's OK. So far I feel no level of increased greatness although Kelly Anne's outfit made many a Minute Man happy. Coulda grabbed that scarecrow's taxation without representation.
See you on the Mall tomorrow: http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2016/11/11/million-women-march-being-planned-for-january-21-2017-in-d-c/
Strangerdanger..... you make me weep, your views are stale, you write too much and say too little..... you missed your chance--- you would have fit in nicely in DC the last 8 years.... hope , change= 93,000,000 out of the work force.
Those people and their kids deserve a real hope. Tell your rep. in Congress to push for dignity. Bring jobs back!
SD, please see the attached pic. Which is correct, yours or this one? I have no idea, but like you anyone can google for two minutes and find supporting information to invalidate your fake news with other fake news!
Translation: data without context is complete BS.
In reality, both pics may very well be valid, one viewed from the perspective of the legislative branch in power and the other viewed from the executive branch in power. As thinking folk we should ask "so what"? Just because something occurred during a President's time in office doesn't mean *he* (or sometime soon she) is responsible for the benefit/deficit. Congress still does do some stuff ya know!
But hey, if a data point appears to validate your view then go for it! But I hope you realize that you're pulling what's been called recently a "fake news" stunt, making statements that may have a shred of truth in them but are way out of context for the discussion at hand....
I would like to see term limits for.congress and reform welfare at least drug test them. And I would call trump a hero.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2017/01/20/chris-matthews-msnbc-trump-speech-was-hitlerian.html
Hey GC, what's that phrase you like to use about Hitler, about how long it takes any conversation to "go there"? Can't recall at the moment...
Term Limits would be a monumental achievement, even higher than all the other stuff... but Congress will never allow it to happen. It would require OVERWHELMING public support, which will never happen because the left will not support it based solely on the fact that it's a republican bill.
If the DEMOCRATS put forth a bill for term limits, I'd be behind it 100%
SD - they polled approximately 1200 people. If Obamas approval rating were so high I believe the people would have elected HRC
SD, back to the slipping in snide remarks calling Kelly Anne Conway a scarecrow. Nice.
" So far I feel no level of increased greatness although Kelly Anne's outfit made many a Minute Man happy. Coulda grabbed that scarecrow's taxation without representation."
"Which is correct, yours or this one?" Of course you answered correctly that it's either one, the other, or both.
Mine was a re-post, but the original included links and much detail on the data. The picture is also pretty clear.
Yours....not so much so. It's a picture. The timeframe is more abbreviated, only 8 years -- barely time for a trend. Most important the definition of the leading variable is unclear. What is Congressional control: one house, the other, both or some sort of weighting... So what exactly is a split Congress?
But the bottom line is "the buck stops here." I was looking at Presidential results and posted as such. The Congressional argument looks interesting, probably would add nuance to my information but without definition is pretty useless at this point as presented.
"But hey, if a data point appears to validate your view then go for it! " You have another suggestions besides your just keep tossing data out there without a conclusion while lamenting the lack of other's ability to grasp the big picture, the root cause, the 42 of the question?
"But I hope you realize that you're pulling what's been called recently a "fake news" stunt." Prove it next time instead of posting a unsubstantiated piece of data without definition.
"SD, back to the slipping in snide remarks calling Kelly Anne Conway a scarecrow. Nice." Oh yeah, it's just me.... I mean put on a scarecrow costume and expect results. I should have said spider-webbed scarecrow.
Trump was right. Everything was rigged. Unfortunately, rigged in his favor. I thought he was supposed to "drain the swamp", of corruption in politics. You Trumpers, believed him. All his appointees are just one conflict of interest after the other. Well, today I woke and everything was great. I got a good job, healthcare, a home, my gun, stock portfolios doing well. Oh, wait. I had all that, for the last eight years, under the Obama administration. America was already great. Now we are done for. Funny....NatGeo, had episodes of Doomsday Preppers on today.
Wow !!! --- how ludicrous were Kelly Anne Conway's "clothes" (if you can call it that)
She's somewhat late for Halloween ( or quite early for the next one!! )
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
"the people did choose (elect) Hillary, the electors chose Donald"
This illustrates a severe misunderstanding of the electoral college and our election system.
"Skippy: the people did choose (elect) Hillary, the electors chose Donald"
So she should have run for Governor of California instead.
Funny 4catmom that I agree with all of that yet still don't harbor the hatred as others do. Curious, eh?
SD, I think you need a xanax lol
It was a great day!! Out with the old and in with the new!! Hopefullly no more of these lines in the sand and free hand outs!!!As for Sparks all those nice things u have you probably earned them.. If Obama n Hillary had a say you would have to give it all to a poor or less fortunate family... Mabey some of these less fortunate bottom feeders will have to start paying thief own way... Why should we have to pay for every less fortunate person or even country?? Time for them to figure it out... So let's all make America great again!! Also as for for all these idiots protesting Mabey they should try doing something productive...Like volunteering, helping there fellow man or even worse yet getting jobs!!!!
Mr. Tone justintime ---
Want to speak about hatred?
Trumputin's hatred includes putting a "c" next to the name of people on his list who are black.
Curious, eh?
Maybe you need a big wake-up call.
MrTone
First you posted >>Why should we have to pay for every less fortunate person .......?? <<
Then you posted>>Mabey (maybe) they should try doing something productive...Like volunteering, helping there (their) fellow man
Which one is it, help or don't help?
CBGB "Can't wait for the women's march tomorrow. It's going to be wonderful."
Ah yes, the wonderful inclusive feminists.... it's going to be so wonderful for the women to "march against" Trump (which they have every right to do)... oh, but wait.... only if you're pro-abortion... one pro-life women's group, New Wave Feminists, who also wanted to march in protest of Trump, were told they weren't welcome.... because they're pro-life.
Ah, those wonderful, inclusive, tolerant, leftists. The love never ends.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2017/01/17/pro_life_feminist_group_new_wave_feminists_removed_from_women_s_march_partnership.html
"Which one is it, help or don't help?"
Two things, I think...
*Voluntarily* help people, as someone chooses to, not by mandate.
This country should be about equal *opportunity* not equal *results* (i.e. get rid of barriers, but don't force redistribution of wealth by taxation, etc.)
"Trumputin's hatred includes putting a "c" next to the name of people on his list who are black. "
At least he, and the next Secretary of State, will know that "c" means "classified/confidential".
In the business world, men of any age, race or color are still treated better than women, so the ladies do need to keep their voting power front and center. Some though, are so far left they are squished up against the wall. No, they are not an inclusive group. You have to think exactly the same, or something is wrong with you.
Yeah, they can't march with the NRA either.
Day One continued.... "It was a great day!! Out with the old and in with the new!!"
Melania's in town so need to keep the groping down, so have some time on my hands, my HUGE hands, let's see....what to do... hey....maybe I can sign some unconstitutional Executive Orders to get rid of those unconstitutional Executive Orders Obama signed. Oh, hell, let's just sign EO's to change law.
First up ObamaCare. “President Trump’s executive order is intended to stop the bleeding - trying to help prevent more catastrophic rate hikes such as those that took place on the first of this month, and to help get the mandates and penalties off the backs of the poorest and sickest Americans.” No alternatives are provided. OK, you're free.... You have access... Now go way.
Next, let's kill the federal fee discount for federal mortgage program fees intended to help middle-class homebuyers. No alternatives are provided. OK, you're free.... You have access... Now go way.
"no more of these lines in the sand and free hand outs!!!" "Maybe some of those bottom feeders will have to start paying thief own way... Why should we have to pay for every less fortunate person or even country?? Time for them to figure it out..."
Made American Great for those schmucks. Now on to the march. See ya all tomorrow!
CBGB in response to your post working people pay way more than their fair share to help the less fortunate. Why should I be penalized because I chose to work, own a home and provide good insurance for my family.. It's simple Obama care and socialism do not work!!!! Also worrying about every other countries problems has to stop... That is why Trumps message of America first rings so true.. Let's pay this country's debt off and stabilize our country then worry about everyone else... As far as the protesters go they should do both!!! If they have time to protest n be disruptive Mabey they should find time to give back to this country... And if it is that bad here for them here they should go live some where else!!!
" Prove it next time instead of posting a unsubstantiated piece of data without definition."
Classic deflection, written by the master manipulator himself. Now if I had written that to you, what would your response have been? Be honest now, I know it's hard but you can do it ;-)
You really, really need to get over yourself. This is a FORUM. People exchange ideas here, convey their thoughts on the world we live in, provide examples of why they believe the things they do. I get that regurgitating the work of others is your domain, and in this case I specifically went out of my way to clearly state the data I posted was nothing but regurgitated, for the sole reason to point out that anyone can repeat anything they find on the internet. However, given a few minutes of research (a job that you are more than qualified to do and one that I thought you would do in this case) you'll find that the data in the pic I posted is actually quite *true*. Looking more closely, however, I would hope you would have also recognized the time frame as being during the financial crisis. In that context, of course monthly jobs would have fallen and the chart reflects it. Get it? CONTEXT, which is a synonym for the word I use all the time - perspective. Understand now why I always say that perspective matters, often much more that any point of data being thrown around? From the "team" mentality view both sets of data are "right" yet each paints a different picture when viewed without any perspective.
But more than that the point to be made was that once again you used your data to infer something that has no real relevance to the discussion. You posted the chart without any context whatsoever just so you could say "See, look here at what Obama did!", using it to further your hero-worship of the man. But *he* did NO SUCH THING.A President is but ONE person and he/she should NEVER yield the kind of power that you and a great many others want the office to yield. We have a Congress for a reason. Just what do you think those 535 people do every day (wait, maybe don't answer that lol)?
Throwing facts around without any context is very, very dangerous. I would have thought by now, especially with this ridiculous "fake news" meme going around, that people were smart enough to not blindly follow "facts" without comprehending circumstances. IOW perspective matters.
That first trump thread way way back, I predicted the trump victory. And look at where we are today :). Absolutely amazing times we have all gotton to live through and experience.
Forcefed4door Ok, so...first order of business is to remove the climate change section from whitehouse.gov because 99% of scientists MUST be wrong. Meanwhile 2016 set the record for the hottest year in recorded history, beating out 2015 and 2014 as number 2 and 3 respectively. And of course the new head of the EPA is Scott Pruitt...not a man of science but simply a former Attorney General of Oklahoma who likes to sue the agency he'll now be heading.
You just can't make this stuff up, folks.
"get over it JR - remember you won - get over it"
Nah, I think I take a lesson from the LEFT: NEVER give in to INTOLERANCE.
"MrTone if you don't like it and I will quote you go live some where else!!!"
Great advice for all those that don't like Trump too!
But how does she Melanie walk in those shoes?
I need to know! I was so afraid she was gonna fall and roll down the steps yesterday.
Really I need to know.
Eperot - looks like the entire website has changed, not just the one piece you're concerned about. Shouldn't be all that surprising:
http://web.archive.org/web/20170119234551/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/
Vs
www.Whitehouse.gov
JIT...it's not the one piece I'm concerned about. I'm concerned about a great many things...I just brought up one particular example.
Understood eperot, but your post made it sound like the administration just took out that one piece, as if it were the focus of the change. Obviously not so given all of the site is changed.
https://ballotpedia.org/New_Jersey_gubernatorial_and_lieutenant_gubernatorial_election,_2017
There are only 135 days until NJ's Primary Election. Here's a link to who's running so far
I didn't know Captain America was running for governor... or that he was on Nutley's Town Council. He's practically Superman, lol.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4142950/Thousands-women-head-Washington-protest-Trump.html
looks like the womens march turned nasty
Kinda funny to see a lot of the photos of these celebrities... For people making millions of dollars with absurd ticket prices to movies and shows...The rest of use should be protesting these over payed crybabies!!!! Comparing Trump to Hitler is over the top and just wrong!! Give the man a chance...
The Woman's March protest and a $1.50 will get any woman a cup of Dunkin' Donuts coffee .
They can protest and light their rears on fire and it won't change a thing.
Zionist no-nothing in the game (for now):
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-son-law-kushner-white-163022854.html
Peaceful, friendly, thoughtful in Pequannock today except one angry trumpster who was barking.............no one took the bait....estimated 2000 people - way more than expected
SD, "Next, let's kill the federal fee discount for federal mortgage program fees intended to help middle-class homebuyers. No alternatives are provided. OK, you're free.... You have access... Now go way."
The fee discount wasn't going into effect until January 27th and just put in last week. Not for nothing but I had to pay PMI when I got my mortgage as I am sure many others had to do.
From CBS News.
Last week, the outgoing Housing and Urban Development secretary, Julian Castro, said the Federal Housing Administration would cut its fees on mortgage insurance starting Jan. 27. The FHA backs mortgages for homebuyers with less-than-perfect credit scores or who put down small down payments. About 1 in 5 mortgages is backed by the FHA, according to reports. The program is particularly popular with low-income and first-time homebuyers.
Castro said the cut, of a quarter of a percentage point, was necessary to offset rising mortgage rates. If it had gone in effect, it would have saved a homebuyer borrowing $200,000 about $500 on their yearly insurance premium.
Feeling safe and relieved That our new commander in chief has our military's back for the next four years..I can finally sleep in peace knowing Trumps at the helm! God bless America and thank you for leading this election and putting Trump in as President!!
Trumputin STILL won't release his tax returns, stating he is under an audit, so he can't.
YES HE CAN.
Warren Buffett is also under an audit, but he released his tax returns to prove Trump is lying.
"He's not afraid because of the IRS, he's afraid because of you. You're only afraid if you've got something to be afraid about." ----- Warren Buffett
Happiest girl at this point does it really matter?? He's president and that's all there is to it.. You may not like his politics or Trump as a person but he is now our leader... I was never a fan of Obama and really think he did more damage than good to this country..... That being said let's give Trump a chance and hope for the best!!!
Sorry, can't resist.... the snowflake tears are making me do it....
“NO WAY can Trump win.”
“Trump running means you better get used to saying madame president”
“God help America if he is elected. But no worries, it won't happen.”
-hapiest girl
The "March" was co-opted by a long list of demonstrators, including representatives of not only Women's Rights groups, but LGBTQ, Black Lives Matter, Planned Parenthood, the refugee and pro-immigration lobbies, and various other left-wing political organizations so it's not clear what the real purpose of today's rally was - except for being for the most part, anti-Trump. About the only thing they had in common today was they were hurt that they lost. Oh, boo-hoo. Here's your "participation trophy", now dry your eyes.
I wouldn't be surprised if many of these "demonstrators" assured of their righteousness, didn't even bother to vote. That's usually the case, especially among the low-information crowd that thinks that presidential elections are popularity contests, where the largest number of votes wins. Sorry to disappoint those who didn't pay attention in their high school civics classes, but we elect delegates to the electoral college whose representation is a combination of votes based on the number of senators and representatives total for each state . . . and these representatives vote based on the popular vote in their districts. It's not a popularity contest, so those who contend Trump was not legitimately elected just don't understand the rules.
Now I'll grant that these protesters are exercising the freedom this nation provides to "petition the government for redress of grievances", to peaceably assemble, and to speak their minds. It does not however permit riots, arson, and looting - although that seems to be the MO of a lot of folks . . . whether they are protesting the result of an election, or celebrating the winning of the Super Bowl. Some people just want to commit mayhem for its own sake.
Fortunately the marches yesterday were peaceful with only a few minor issues nationwide.
Well said Joe! I didn't know what they wanted. All I heard was rights. What rights did they loose. We have civil rights laws and they can't be changed without the consent of congress and the Courts.
Joe - you just think you know everything about everyone - sadly I doubt you'll ever try to find out what protesters are really about. You continually spew what you, apparently, hope we're about. You make it align with things you hate.
The only sign of anger was a proTrump guy yelling at peaceful demonstrators.
Perhaps it's time for you to step back and educate yourself rather than judging through a dirty lens.
Well said 4catmom. Great to see the turnout around the country and hopefully the beginning of sustained activity.
What are they protesting? How about protesting that we have a douchebag for a president who is soooo unpresidential if it wasn't real it would be funny. Who threatens our very foundation by attacking those who exercise their first amendment rights. That doesn't scare you? It doesn't scare you that in addressing the CIA, the world's most powerful agency, that his focus was on how "unfairly " the media reported his inauguration attendance numbers? Like they care? Like what he even said was true? How pathetically pathetically sad. He shows just how sad and pathetic he is every single day. Of course it doesn't scare anyone who elected the douchebag. You knew what you were getting and you made your choice. Now you're stuck defending it every day no matter what the douchebag does. Enjoy every sad pathetic moment of the next four years Joe.
Odd that those who protest against *hate* have an awful lot of it to send out into the world. An awful lot.
We live in a world where so many today seem to think that everyone else MUST agree with them - Why? I can't wrap my head around that one because every single experience in our lives demonstrates the exact opposite: we are all different. Can anyone disagree with that statement? Why do so many want to control the thoughts of others, to convince them that they are wrong while you are right? Big place, this world of ours...
At the end of the day the one thing that should prevail above all else is a rule of law that protects our individualism, preventing the strong from overriding the weak, and maintaining an environment of equal opportunity for all. When folks partition the government to pick winners and losers the results are always the exact opposite of equality and always results in division instead of unity. Always. It is so crystal clear today yet very few seem to care to notice. Why is that?
"Happiest girl at this point does it really matter?? He's president and that's all there is to it.." Yeah man, I don't care if he's financially tied to Putin....I already know he's a charity taker not a giver and I don't care, what else could we ever learn about who he is beholden to and what he does with all that money if all that money even exists.
It only matters to someone who cares.
And it is standard practice.
And Trump promised to comply.
Heck, we don't even know if he's being audited, really. No one has even seen the audit letter from the IRS. You know, top secret stuff that letter is.
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Trump at the CIA; are you sure? Did you see any CIA people there?
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"Well said Joe! I didn't know what they wanted. All I heard was rights. What rights did they loose. We have civil rights laws and they can't be changed without the consent of congress and the Courts." Well you certainly didn't know what we wanted or why we were there. Civil rights laws can only be changed by Congress and the Courts. Hmmm, kind of true, kind of not.
Well at least we know who was there: "That's usually the case, especially among the low-information crowd..." Yeah, liberals are the low-information crowd, lol. By the way Joe, there were indeed many non-voters there. Slews of them. Just because Trump sucks bottom water doesn't mean you voted for another candidate or that you can not protest what Trump says, and what he says he is going to do. That's just the misguided conclusions of the high-information crowd. You just gotta lay down that bong...
Or were you talking about the Turnip's inauguration Joe.... You know, what he said would be ""unbelievable, perhaps record-setting turnout." Where all the high-minded conservatives were hanging about. All 1.5 million of em according to Trump. That's 250,000 MAGA's according to The National Park Service, or fake news as Tramp calls them, which has been counting DC events for decades. Trump's mouthpiece Spicer said 'This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration – period! – both in person and around the globe,' Spicer insisted that no official numbers were available and said it was the largest ever inauguration audience. Trump said so. He also added that Turmp's hands were 12 inches long.
Then they punted and said a record 31 million watched on TV.
Gee, Hope and Change pulled 1 million and 1.8 million for its inauguration. And 38 million watched the first one on TV. Only 20 million for the second one, but hey, we knew what was going to happen... Face it Trump ---- you a liar and you just can't tell the truth.
Now for all you MSM disbelievers who willingly swill Trump's fake news brew, the NPS planned for 800,000 so if 1,500,000 turned up, there would have been a lot of exploding porta potties along that Parade route...... That didn't happen until the next day when 500,000 turned up against Trump for 2,500,000 turning up across the world. Using Trumpian forecasting, that means 75 million watching it on TV.....
Like Joe and Old Gent, Trump just can't understand why folks might be protesting. Not a good sign for the Great Unifier to be so out of touch with 75 million people, voters or not.
The women's march left a mess in every city.
I guess they don't care about the environment.
seriously - Greg - how many sites have you checked? Pequannock was pristine when all left................
There's nothing Trump can do in office that will have the haters liking him.Nothing!
These protesters of every group are still having a hard time dealing with Hillary's loss which was supposed to be a landslide win.
So no matter what Trump does or doesn't do,they will always hate him.
Why do anything if the hate will still exist?
Trump should stay for the most part .....Trump.Where that leads,so be it.
"We live in a world where so many today seem to think that everyone else MUST agree with them " Really. Quantify please. How many? One side mostly or the other? Mostly men? Really --- who and how many?
Or maybe it's you......
"At the end of the day the one thing that should prevail above all else is a rule of law that protects our individualism, preventing the strong from overriding the weak, and maintaining an environment of equal opportunity for all. When folks partition the government to pick winners and losers the results are always the exact opposite of equality and always results in division instead of unity. Always. It is so crystal clear today yet very few seem to care to notice. Why is that?"
Some ask why. Others ask why can't all of the above be true simultaneously and in perfect harmony?
Individualism, protecting the weak, stopping those overriding others, equal opportunity, government offering a hand-up, not a hand-out where everybody wins.
I do notice, I just don't give in to despair and defeat.
There is plenty that Trump can do to help bring people together and serve all people BUT as he continues to prove that's not his intent. He's a toxic narcissist that only wants to lie and divide. Pathetic that his primary concern was his attendance numbers (lack of ) at the inauguration and has to get his lies out via his statement in front of the CIA, via his press secretary and now his tweets.
The left hates Trump and will never warm up to him no matter what he does.I believe the hate is consoling the pain of Hillary's loss and will continue on and on.
I actually feel he will gain stronger support because of that.
The continued bashing by the MSM will help too.
Although the NY Times is doing less bashing which is a positive sign.
4 cats mom
Look at the pictures of NY LA and DC
PIGS and IDIOTs
Protesting over nothing and leaving a mess.
What rights have been removed?
Joe, because he's a douchebag, narcissistic megalomaniac. No qualifications to be president. None. It's not even like he can "learn" how to be president. Because you know, every things going to be great, better, bigly swell. You'll see cause he said so! That's his claim to fame. BS. And bullying. That's all he's got. Oh yeah and all those agencies he can tell what to do for his own purposes having nothing to do with the good of the country. Like telling the national park service not to tweet crowd estimates. LOL, ROFLMAO!
SD
"a hand up, not a handout" Exactly! I agree with that 1 statement.
Hand up= free, effective public education right? The opportunity to work, right?
Teach a man to fish he eats every day, right?
Trump will finally make the changes you so desperately want. Be supportive, relax.
What can Trump teach? Be born rich and through privilege make "deals" that exploit others...
"Trump will finally make the changes you so desperately want. Be supportive, relax.'
Have you actually read his plans?
Have you seen what his cabinet stands for? IKEA has more cabinet diversity....
Let's see. First act to deny a $500 discount to struggling home buyers attempting to offset the increasing interest rates. Hand-up OR hand-out. Apparently, according to Trump's vote ---- hand-out. They still have access, right?
Second, EO to restrict ObamaCare funding with 100% totally unknowable results. No alternative health care plan in place to support those affected. So over 20 million ACA insured can sleep ez knowing he is helping restrict their current benefits. Hey, who cares if it costs more or if they can't afford it. The still have access, right?
Sorry, can't agree. At all.
Well,Obama and a lousy candidate are the reasons why a douchebag, narcissistic, megalomaniac,no qualifications to be president is President.
Blame your party.
Just about any other Dem running would have won easily.
Imagine that, Trump supporters have jobs, thereby making it difficult if not impossible to fly to DC on a Thursday to make it to the ceremony. Not to mention what did DC vote for Obama? 90%? I'd imagine a large part of the crowd in the previous two inaugurations came from the overwhelming dem voter base in the surrounding area. That coupled with threats of disturbance and violence from our tolerant liberal friends - attendance numbers at the inauguration means nothing.
"No one has ever had that $500 discount. Emotional manipulation-cut it out." Well no duh no one got the discount. Trump aborted it before it could be born. You just like to toss the brand name "emotional manipulation" for its emotional manipulation value. Like, if you say it enough, it must be true.
Like the fact that TRUMP killed a $500 discount to struggling home buyers who are ALREADY PAYING $500 extra or more TODAY because of rising mortgage interest rates.
As I said, TRUMP will "deny a $500 discount to struggling home buyers attempting to offset the increasing interest rates." Now, the interest rates have gone up, that's a fact. People are paying the $500 or more currently in interest on a $200,000 home, that's a fact. It's just that the approved $500 discount to offset it will never happen so future buyers will not get that hand-up. That's a fact too.
Manipulate that.
$500 dollar discount to struggling homebuyers? If you are struggling maybe you shouldn't take on the responsibility of owning a home. Just a thought.
"...attendance numbers at the inauguration means nothing." It absolutely means nothing but the fact that it bothers him so much is disturbing, the fact that he has to lie about the attendance is disturbing.
"$500 dollar discount to struggling homebuyers? If you are struggling maybe you shouldn't take on the responsibility of owning a home. Just a thought." I might be able to agree with your thought if I felt: Screw em. They have access to a mortgage just like I do. It's a hand-out, not a hand-up. Show some initiative. Who cares if they were so close to owning, but now are only $500 a year extra short. Builds character.
Of course, I don't think that way. At all. Just a thought.
Vote2020: asked and fessed up. Yes to all with the conclusion: "Sorry, can't agree. At all."
Don't you people read anything? Soon after Donald Trump was sworn in as president, his administration undid one of Barack Obama’s last-minute economic-policy actions: a mortgage-fee cut under a government program that’s popular with first-time home buyers and low-income borrowers.
The new administration on Friday said it’s canceling a reduction in the Federal Housing Administration’s annual fee for most borrowers. The cut would have reduced the annual premium for someone borrowing $200,000 by $500 in the first year.
So? It was a new program that has not been used by anyone. Perhaps he has another idea!
If a by-product of getting Trump for prez is that more people than ever, on all sides of the political spectrum, are motivated to get out, participate and 'take their country back', then I say 'bravo' and thank God Trump is prez.
scottso http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/21/trump-inauguration-ratings/
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/823151124815507460?s=09
where did he lie? the numbers he quoted are what is being posted on line. And that's even considering so many millions didn't watch it on TV, but rather streamed it.
And streaming is even a lot more prominent now than 4 years ago and certainly 8.
A quarter of a percent is $250.00 in fees per $100,000.00 of loan. How does it hurt considering this was not to take affect till the 27th of January. Seriously if you cannot come up with an extra $500.00 in fees for a $200,000.00 loan maybe you should consider a lesser house. You are still getting the excellent benefits of a HUD loan which was left untouched.
"Perhaps he has another idea!"
Yes, and right after his tax audit, he will tell those poor schmucks what it is.
Actually his deal is the new conservative buzzword: access.
If you have access, you have it all. Who cares if you can't afford it. That's your personal responsibility and integrity in question.
You see Spunky, that's why rich people are better. They are more responsible and have more integrity. The money is proof.
True 4catmom but I looked at it as something that was expected to be eliminated just to get a "negative " on record. Maybe overthinking but both parties do it.
It's all about priorities: "Immediate beneficiaries from Trump's decision were private mortgage insurers: shares of MGIC Investment and Radian Group erased earlier losses on Friday, trading up about one percent as of mid-afternoon." http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-21/one-hour-after-taking-office-trump-suspends-fha-mortgage-fee-cut
But then again other priorities for the transition tem include eliminating programs such as the Violence Against Women grants in the Department of Justice.
it's time to take down the Hillary-in-jail statue on some idiot's home on Willow Grove.....let's hope that Trump gets incarcerated soon....there is certainly plenty to put him away already....
LOL!!
The same can be said for just about anyone in political office in DC.
It's going to be a long 4/8 years for some here.
Looking forward to the continued entertaining bitchin' and moanin'.
When I said "emotional manipulation" I was trying really, really hard to be kind. That's just the tip of the iceberg, an act of desperation to say something, anything to get people to agree with you, even if it means making a stink out of a minor perk that hasn't even happened yet.
But I guess if that's the business you're in - what can the government man "give" me today (very, very, very, very selfish view btw especially when you refuse to acknowledge that the gift must first be taken from another)
Go do yourself a favor and take a vacation, relax for a while. It's the other teams turn to rape and pillage a portion of the populous, let them steal from you for a change to give to someone else. It is you against them, of course, and now you feel what it's like to be on the losing side. Team politics requires a foe and you're more than willing to get excited and play along, so no complaining on your part, ok? You like the rules and have said so a million times so shut up and deal with it!
Trump Pulled Out Of TPP as well - nobody mentions that.
http://now.org/resource/fact-sheet-how-the-tpp-will-hurt-women/
Good thing too. TPP, which Obama supported, hurts women.
it was Trump who elevated a woman to the highest position in his campaign and now the White House. Kellyanne Conway. He broke the glass ceiling by appointing a woman to the highest position in skyscraper construction in 1980.
http://qpolitical.com/trumps-campaign-manager-kellyanne-conway-reveals-faith-jesus-lead-huge-success2/
meanwhile - he co-chair & organiser of #womensmarch says she's terrified of Trump but says sharia law is "reasonable".
https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/823152714049732610
the basics of sharia law are to stone gay people to death, women who are raped, and enslaves women - hope everyone who participated enjoyed themselves - now you know who you are truly supporting. Send pics when you get your burkas
" Who cares if they were so close to owning, but now are only $500 a year extra short. Builds character. "
Here's a wild idea... buy a house you can actually afford, avoid PMI altogether, and that $500 won't matter.
If you can't put 20% down, it's probably too expensive.
"Go do yourself a favor and take a vacation, relax for a while. It's the other teams turn to rape and pillage a portion of the populous, let them steal from you for a change to give to someone else. It is you against them, of course, and now you feel what it's like to be on the losing side. Team politics requires a foe and you're more than willing to get excited and play along, so no complaining on your part, ok? You like the rules and have said so a million times so shut up and deal with it!"
Wow JIT. Right on target. This is kind of the point I've been trying to illustrate, but you did it better than I, with that one paragraph. My only observation would be to add a heavy dose of hypocrisy to the equation (and yes, that's on both sides).
Agreed and you can refinance once you get 20% equity a get out of PMI in a few years in any regard - this is a deminimis change to HUD rules
If $500 is the deal breaker for owning a home there is a bigger issue. To me if $500 is make or break there is a greater chance of the home ending in foreclosure.
Also, I got $15,000 first-time home buyers credit when I bought a home....guess what.... in 2009 that deal ended....so I guess we know who to blame for that.
Nosila "....it was Trump who elevated a woman to the highest position in his campaign and now the White House. Kellyanne Conway." Elevated a woman to the highest position in his campaign the 3rd time out - after the first 2 men quit or were forced to leave. Others have done more such as let's say elevating women to Secretary of State.
Voting against TPP, ACA and everything else is not necessarily because he understands these regulations or has a different policy position but because he is so envious of Obama and desperate to strike down everything he supported. Had Obama been against TPP, Trump would be telling us how great it was.
Still it's pretty clear that Trump is an advocate for women - in both cases he saw a qualified applicant and hired her - she was clearly better than her predecessors - you have no point. When you are shown new information that contradicts your narrative you refuse to believe it - that is being blatantly ignorant.
Roywhite 
Trump: There were clearly 14 billion people there.
Press: But the entire population of the earth is only 7 billion people.
Trump: Trust me, folks, 14 billion people were there.
Press: Where did you arrive at the number 14 billion?
Trump: Fine, it was 17 billion.
Press: But—
Trump: Eleventy-billion.
Defend them - go on - deny what Dan Rather says here - "After watching the behavior of President* Trump, Kellyanne Conway and press secretary Sean Spicer overthe last 24 hours, Dan Rather lashed out and warned Americans about the dangers of the Trump administration.
In a Facebook post Sunday morning, Rather wrote, “When you have a spokesperson for the president of the United States wrap up a lie in the Orwellian phrase ‘alternative facts’ …,”
“When you have a press secretary in his first appearance before the White House reporters threaten, bully, lie, and then walk out of the briefing room without the cajones to answer a single questions…,” he added.
“When you have a President stand before the stars of the fallen CIA agents and boast about the size of his crowds (lies) and how great his authoritarian inaugural speech was…”
“These are not normal times.”
Rather wrote that the press, the public and the political leaders of both parties have “never seen anything like this before.”
He urged fellow journalists to demand follow-ups and satisfying answers rather than accept elected GOP officials’ non-answers.
“Facts and the truth are not partisan,” he said. “They are the bedrock of our democracy. And you are either with them, with us, with our Constitution, our history, and the future of our nation, or you are against it. Everyone must answer that question.”
OK, here's the FULL story of the inauguration crowd... pics and all....
http://ijr.com/2017/01/783119-brit-hume-calls-bs-on-trump-and-obama-inauguration-pics-claims-theres-a-deceptive-trick-to-photos/?utm_source=email&utm_campaign=morning-newsletter&utm_medium=owned
"Trump: There were clearly 14 billion people there."
Attendance at Obama's re-election were about half of what they were in 2009, also.
Don't forget, that picture was taken *before* the inauguration started. There's a gigapixel image showing that Trump's crowd filled in all the available areas as well during the swearing in/speech.
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/
The same Dan Rather that got fired for reporting on documents he could not authenticate?
Wait. Are u writing Rather off for being caught in a lie. Once. In a galaxy far far away?
What's the penalty for Trump's lies.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/21/14347952/trump-spicer-press-conference-crowd-size-inauguration
There’s a strategy at work here. The Trump administration is creating a baseline expectation among its loyalists that they can’t trust anything said by the media. The spat over crowd size is a low-stakes, semi-comic dispute, but the groundwork is being laid for much more consequential debates over what is, and isn’t, true.
Delegitimizing the institutions that might report inconvenient or damaging facts about the president is strategic for an administration that has made a slew of impossible promises and takes office amid a cloud of ethics concerns and potential scandals.
It also gives the new administration a convenient scapegoat for their continued struggles with public opinion, and their potential future struggles with reality. This kind of “dishonesty from the media,” Spicer said, is making it hard “to bring our country together.” It’s not difficult to imagine the Trump administration disputing bad jobs numbers in the future, or claiming their Obamacare replacement covers everyone when it actually throws millions off insurance.”
"Still it's pretty clear that Trump is an advocate for women" ----- Skippy
Skippy ....... you just lost all credibility.
Meanwhile....
Trump has failed to divest from his businesses which pose significant conflicts of interest.
Opened 32 new companies in 10 countries since Election Day
https://twitter.com/funder/status/822663591610511361
Melania promoted her jewelry line on the White House page https://www.yahoo.com/news/melania-trumps-jewellery-line-promoted-111030221.html?ref=gs
Neat picture mark. Amazing clarity, even out to the fringes of the picture. Lots of folks there regardless of the actual number.
Terribly sad, although not surprising given the current mindset in our society, is the predominate race and gender of the crowd. Also sad is that everyone is concerned about the actual number in attendance, as if that means anything in the grand scheme of things.
These amazing women don't even know each other! Beautiful video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M1WJ48_wac
I watched Trump give a live speech, prior to his inauguration, standing in front of the fallen CIA memorial. He said two little sentences, referencing the CIA. The other %98 of his speech , was used as another press conference, to give him and people in his swamp, more pats on the back. That was on CNN. As I stood there, in disbelief, how disrespectful he was to the members of the CIA, I said to my husband " I've got to see how Fox spins this". When I switched to Fox, they were still bashing the protesters. I said, "just wait, they are working on it now. They have to do major editing, before they can spin it off their tongues". Sure enough, about 10 minutes later? Fox airs their version of what he said: "Trump solemnly paid his respects to the fallen CIA members". Then, the Fox reporters attempt to paraphrase what Trump actually said, while showing him, silently talking on a screen, so you couldn't hear what he was actually saying. Fox news is really "fake news". A real spin zone.I watched it take place, with my own eyes, on many occasions. If Trumpers, are using Fox, as their only news source, I see why they like the scumbag, so much.
It's not only Fox sparks, and you know it. Every single major news outlet picks and chooses the focus of their reporting. Every. Single. One.
Crowd size anyone?
The answer is to avoid all the networks that pull this crap.
Crowd size?
We usually get an official number from the parks service, but haven't yet. But did you see the link I posted? A very in-depth look at the whole fake news/inaugural crowd pictures thing....
Avoid all the networks that pulls this crap? You'd have to give up ALL news LOL
"Also sad is that everyone is concerned about the actual number in attendance, as if that means anything in the grand scheme of things." What's sad is that this is what matters the most to trump - that he had millions in attendance, that he had the highest ratings, that he was on many Time covers... When people don't buy into his lies then he has to threaten them "He warned that the television networks would pay a “big price” for coverage that showed empty fields on Inauguration Day." http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-cia-20170121-story.html
What's really sad is that these tactics are straight out of the authoritarians' playbook and what you would expect from Kim Jong-Un and Putin. @Evan_McMullin “An important warning from @Kasparov63: "Little lies build immunity to big ones." We must never tire of rejecting and fighting Trump's lies.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/21/fact-check-trump-overstates-crowd-size-at-inaugural.html
THE FACTS: Trump is wrong. Photos of the National Mall from his inauguration make clear that the crowd did not extend to the Washington Monument. Large swaths of empty space are visible on the Mall.
Thin crowds and partially empty bleachers also dotted the inaugural parade route. Hotels across the District of Columbia reported vacancies, a rarity for an event as large as a presidential inauguration.
And ridership on the Washington's Metro system didn't match that of recent inaugurations. As of 11 a.m. that day, there were 193,000 trips taken, according to the transit service's Twitter account. At the same hour eight years ago, there had been 513,000 trips. Four years later, there were 317,000 for Obama's second inauguration.
There were 197,000 at 11 a.m. in 2005 for President George W. Bush's second inauguration. The Metro system also posted that only two parking lots at stations were more than 60 percent full.
But the exact size of the crowd may never be known since the National Park Service, which used to provide those estimates, stopped doing it in the 1990s.
Actually jr, I never watch any msm news source any more and only hear their take on things through other links. Recall I was a Ron Paul fan in 2008? The MSN completely misrepresented nearly everything he stood for, every single network, and did their very best to minimize and control the narrative in that race. I always knew the media presented biased information but seeing it first hand for the entire election season was all the proof I needed to write them off. The best thing I ever did.
Step one In propaganda - get the populace to believe nothing is true and anything is possible
"Step one in propaganda-get the populace to believe nothing is true and anything is possible."
That would be Trump !!!!!!!
do you have a point to make besides REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TRUMP!
Deplorable Girl you never had credibility
"When I said "emotional manipulation" I was trying really, really hard to be kind." Yeah, I feel the love.
"That's just the tip of the iceberg, an act of desperation to say something, anything to get people to agree with you" Well, so much for love.
"even if it means making a stink out of a minor perk that hasn't even happened yet." Oh yeah, I'm the only one in that boat. You just don't get it, do you? Do you ever have an open mind to other's views or do you just keep spewing the hard right line while pretending to be beyond-libertarian.
"But I guess if that's the business you're in - what can the government man "give" me today (very, very, very, very selfish view btw especially when you refuse to acknowledge that the gift must first be taken from another). Do you honestly think I am in the market for a house, much less a first house?
"Go do yourself a favor and take a vacation, relax for a while. It's the other teams turn to rape and pillage a portion of the populous, let them steal from you for a change to give to someone else." OK, I know you are joking around and this is your attempt at alternative humor, but do you really think this is about my money and that I am going to financially lose on your winning whining Trump vote? Here's a buck, buy a clue. Let's check my Trump plan fit:
Old --- yup
White --- very
Frustrated --- sure, just not over the same things as you
Rich ---- pretty darned close
Guy ----mostly
Nope, when it comes to what counts to profit by Trump, I sure look ready to gain from Trump actions. Time to rake in those reduced taxes on capital gains.
It's you that's out of place. Let's see... Your world is full of Republicrats. They are all the same and they all suck, according to you. Only those who see the big picture and seek the real root cause for solutions rise above it all. You know, people who think just like you do. Otherwise, take your own advice: "so shut up and deal with it!" Sweeeet.
And from the "did I really say that" department: "If $500 is the deal breaker for owning a home there is a bigger issue. To me if $500 is make or break there is a greater chance of the home ending in foreclosure. Also, I got $15,000 first-time home buyers credit when I bought a home....guess what.... in 2009 that deal ended....so I guess we know who to blame for that." It really ended for closings after September in 2010 so a little later and I don't know who killed it. However, did you just say the $500 recipient should rethink their home purchase plans but you were fine with taking a $15,000 tax credit of public assistance rather than rethinking your home purchase?
Day 3: Well, lots of brouhaha today over crowd size and the $500 discount. Or what I like to call just another brick in the fake new MSM wall I am building. Pretty soon I'll have them not even believing their own eyes. Not sure what that $500 was about. Hey, I just got here, and I've been up late not drinking. Give me a $500 break lol.... Who cares what it was. He did it, I undid it, I win, he loses, I have more people at my inauguration too. Plus, did you see all those Muslims cheering from the rooftops?
Why do people say hurtful things about Barron trump - he's 10 - Obama rightfully kept his daughters out of politics and it was respected - I have no idea what's gotten into folks attacking this young man
Thanks to Obama care.. instead of getting a tax return, I will most likely have to pay a hefty penalty for not being able to afford health insurance.
That's the price I have to pay for being poor but not poor enough to not be penalized.
If that's not considered socialism than I don't know what socialism is.....
Spring Fever, my first and primary rule is that a story must have a link to its sources - a bibliography. You don't get that on the tv or video. What you do get is cherry-picked video/images that support the view being presented. It happens all the time because it must - remember that TV shows are "produced", an intentional act meant to satisfy their customer base!
So really all I do is try to verify using click-though links to the source of a story. That's it.
Thank you for that information. I am fed up with the bias on all sides at this point. Will try your method!
Pence very unhappy...
http://www.theonion.com/article/mike-pence-disappointed-200000-husbands-and-father-55116
"Thanks to Obama care.. instead of getting a tax return, I will most likely have to pay a hefty penalty for not being able to afford health insurance." Most likely? Like you don't know yet? I am glad you did not need insurance this year. Would not like to have covered your costs for ER. If you don't pay taxes, you have no penalty. If you do pay taxes, your 2016 penalty is $695. Or 2.5% of your income ABOVE your tax payment threshold ($10,350) which would need to exceed $37,500 to exceed $695. Whichever is higher but since you are poor, probably less than $695. Here's the calculator: https://taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/estimator/isrp/ so you can move from your "most likely" status.
And please, with or without the ACA, try to get some insurance for 2017. You aren't getting any younger....
Here's the good news. You don't have to pay. Kind of. The IRS can't garnish your wages, ruin your credit, freeze your bank account for ObamaCare. "But the text of the ACA is very clear in stating that taxpayers who don’t pay their ACA penalty are not subject to levies, liens, or criminal prosecution. The only way that the IRS can collect the ACA penalty is if you pay it voluntarily, or if you’re owed a refund. In the latter case, the IRS deducts the penalty from your refund." https://www.healthinsurance.org/faqs/ive-heard-that-the-government-wont-really-be-able-to-enforce-the-penalty-for-not-having-health-insurance-is-this-true/
Darn that's polite ---- repeal it!! Make America Mean Again!
Martha Positive: "instead of getting a tax return, I will most likely have to pay a hefty penalty"
The guy who went out of his way and tried to make Positive look foolish: "The only way that the IRS can collect the ACA penalty is if you pay it voluntarily, or if you’re owed a refund."
In the words of Hermione Grainger: "What an idiot."
How did I go out of my way to try to make Positive look foolish?
I do not understand.
Nice name calling though, right back at ya mate.
"He broke the glass ceiling by appointing a woman to the highest position in skyscraper construction in 1980."
Skippy - and have you read that woman's account of her time working for Trump? Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
"The question for Trump and his aides is simple: If you’re willing to lie about stuff this minuscule, why should anyone believe what you say about the really big things that matter?"
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/the-pointless-needless-lies-of-the-trump-administration/514061/
"The question for Trump and his aides is simple: If you’re willing to lie about stuff this minuscule, why should anyone believe what you say about the really big things that matter?"
Agree wholeheartedly.
But the thought applies to blatant lies as much as it does to the use of manipulative tactics to push any political agenda, the latter being more heinous imo.
I’m tired of hearing all of the complaining. If so many people are outraged with Trump, then where the hell were they on election day? I bet half the people protesting didn’t even cast a vote. STFU already….
Metsman, they were there on election day. In fact, 3 million more than were there for Trump. As for how many of the protestors voted, how would you know?
Metsman, firstly you have no way of knowing who voted and didn't, and secondly, I don't know if you knew this or not, but Hillary won the popular vote handily.
In the words of Hermione Grainger: "What an idiot."
Anyone who quotes Hermione Grainger is smarter than most people here! :)
Metsman,
How would you have any idea who voted and who didn't?
Personal anecdotes don't count for much, but I know several woman who went to the DC march and they are all very politically active and voted.
If Trump had,won as a Democrat instead of a Republican..do you think all thone women would luv him..much like they luv bill clinton?
That makes no sense at all. And anyone who has two brain cells knows this is not about which party won. So I guess we know you have less than two.
Many of the folks at the March did not vote. When faced with unsuitable choice, their choice was to abstain. That's where they were on election day, actively making their choice.
The real question is why does it matter whether you voted or not?
Is there some sort of rule, a principle, a commandment, whatever that says you lose your freedom to peacefully protest when you don't vote?
Oh yeah. There were Trump voters in the crowd too. Does that change your paradigm?
Stop with the popular vote nonsense already... It isn't how we elect a president, never has been. You're basically saying that because California had a huge turnout for Clinton, that the rest of the country doesn't matter. That is exactly why we have the electoral college because it reflects the nation as a whole, not one corner of the nation. She didn't get the job done in the swing states that she needed. Case closed. She lost. Time to move on. I wouldn't be putting the amount of energy into this discussion that some of you Clinton supporters are if Trump lost. If he lost I'd have been annoyed for a day and moved on. You people think the sky is falling and the guys been in office all of 3 days...
If he signs a bill that oppresses women and minorities and you want to protest, go for it. I'll give you a high five as you do it, because then you have a real reason to protest. Protesting because of what you think he MIGHT do, is ridiculous...
All the repeated voter data is relative when you consider that about 40% of voting age folks abstained from participating. Iow, Hillary won the popular vote of about 60% of the population, not the entire population. It's misleading to keep stating she was more popular without acknowledging the scope of those who voted/didn't vote. And she lost the electoral contest which is configured to balance power across the country to prevent the city centers from becoming dictatorial over the rest of the country.
Time to get beyond this. It's done, let's look forward and see where we can go from here.
Today's big news (and probably the rest of the week for the MSM:)
TRUMP DEFUNDS PLANNED PARENTHOOD INTERNATIONAL
President Donald Trump today signed an executive order to defund International Planned Parenthood.
Most pro-life Americans are anxiously awaiting Congress to pass a bill to defund the Planned Parenthood abortion business. While that defunding legislation concerns the domestic-based Planned Parenthood abortion corporation, President Trump has the ability to put in place an executive order that would revoke funding for its International affiliate.
http://www.lifenews.com/2017/01/23/president-donald-trump-signs-executive-order-to-defund-international-planned-parenthood/
I'm a little reluctant to chime in on the electoral vs popular vote issue, since some will think I am still concerned about the 2016 election. I'm not, and maybe Trump would have won that if he had campaigned nationwide, who knows?
But one point is this - does anyone think that if we used the popular vote as determinate, that there would be an argument on this site saying that no, no, it's not fair that the person with the most votes won! We need some other more complicated system!
I think not.
Again, missing the point entirely. The protest is not about what he might do, but what he has said he will do and for what he has done in the past. You know like grab some p****. He is disgusting, amoral, sleeze bag and THAT is enough. So good for you, you would have gotten "over it" if Hillary won. Pat yourself on the back. There's no time limit for accepting a total and complete douchebag of a human being. Even if he turns out to be the best president ever, he's still a douchebag and always will be. You can't polish a turd as they say.
Ah yes, the old Bill did this deflection. Is he president now? I didn't think so. Unacceptable, sure. Men in general can't keep it in their pants. And are you comparing sexual assault to sexual consent? NO COMPARISON.
As a woman, I can't say I feel the same way that the protestors do. I don't feel like a second class citizen nor do I feel discriminated against. But they have every right to voice their opinion, which is what makes this country great.
What I would like to understand is why everyone is hating so much on Trump for his behavior toward women and everything that Bill Clinton has done is ignored. Bill has done far worse in my opinion but nobody even mentions it. I'm not talking about Monica Lewinsky. Hasn't anyone looked into his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted pedophile known for trafficking out young underage girls? There are numerous flight records showing Bill on his private jet and eye witness accounts to some naughty business. Why is that okay? And why is it so quickly swept under the rug?
Jazzykatt "What I would like to understand is why everyone is hating so much on Trump for his behavior toward women and everything that Bill Clinton has done is ignored."
Because, hypocrisy and political party loyalty no-matter-what. Certainly not due to any logic or common sense.
RAS you don't even know that he assaulted any women. An audio clip of what he might do to women isn't proof in a court of law that he did do it ever. You have an audio clip of Hillary laughing over getting a child molester off of serious jail time. That is far more disgusting. These protests are pointless...
Jazzykatt --
Because the topic is Trump, not Bill Clinton -- or Hillary Clinton.
Every time certain people on this thread keep saying things like we can't accept that she lost, etc. --- well, that to me says one of two things.
Either it is their way to try to deflect from the vast problems with Trump, or they really are just too dumb to see the problems with Trump.
Exactly Jazzykatt.
This whole women's movement is not a movement. What are all those women, who were out there on Saturday, doing today that would make a difference? My guess would be not much. What is Madona doing today after her big rant? Funny, she made her living singing while making vulgar gestures. I bet Hillary is wondering where were all these people during her rallies while running for president. Of, course, the media doesn't mention that when comparing how many people showed up for President Trump's inauguration and Obama's. All of a sudden numbers matter. Ahhhh...the hypocrisy of the left. It's going to be a fun 8 years.
Madonna is the last female that should be representing women kind. Didn't she move to Britain years ago? I have zero respect for Hollywood celebrities. I don't care what their opinions are. They live in a bubble and do not represent my lifestyle.
"What are all those women, who were out there on Saturday, doing today that would make a difference? My guess would be not much." ---- Ollie
Oh, Ollie, Ollie, Ollie!!!!
The answer is plenty. Our activity on Sunday alone resulted in the postponement of Betsy DeVos confirmation vote which was supposed to be today.
Have no fear Ollie, we have plans in place.
And from the Department of Yeah, I Thought About That: "What I would like to understand is why everyone is hating so much on Trump for his behavior toward women and everything that Bill Clinton has done is ignored." I'm sorry, did you say ignore? Impeachment not good enough? Is pending $80,000,000 to investigate a consensual bj ignoring the fact? Over 4 and 1/2 years? Dredging Hillary through it again in 2015 for fun? The special victim gang bang press conference before the Trump/Clinton debate was not in-your-face enough?
"Bill has done far worse in my opinion......Hasn't anyone looked into his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted pedophile..." OK, I am with you now. Of course you know that one of Trump's numerous rape allegations comes from Trump's Epstein connection so fairs fair, right? Same time frame but I think both were post the Clinton Presidency but I give you a Mulligan if we open Epstein and The President investigations immediately :>)
And then from the Department of Did I Really Say That: "This whole women's movement is not a movement." Oh God, it's 1968 again.....
"What are all those women, who were out there on Saturday, doing today that would make a difference? My guess would be not much." Your guess would be very wrong.
"What is Madona doing today after her big rant?" You dissin on the Material. Hey, she shouldn't have said it, out of context really bad. Yet still better than a number of the things rolling off Trump's lips.
"I bet Hillary is wondering where were all these people during her rallies while running for president." Uh.....these rallies would have gone on no matter who was elected.....
"Of, course, the media doesn't mention that when comparing how many people showed up for President Trump's inauguration and Obama's. All of a sudden numbers matter." Yeah....the numbers suddenly matter because Trumputtin brought them up in a fabulous collection of lies up and down his administration. If he hadn't blown it out of proportion, it would have just been a fact that his live performance had moderate attendance and his TV performance was very well attended. But if he claims he's got the biggest, he is sadly mistaken.
"Ahhhh...the hypocrisy of the left." Gotcha. It was the left.
"It's going to be a fun 8 years." Here we agree.
"Either it is their way to try to deflect from the vast problems with Trump"
OK, Trump is a sleaze-ball... You happy?
He also beat Hillary in a general election (what does that say about her?) and so far is holding true to all of his campaign promise:
ObamaCare - Signed the first executive order to start the ball rolling on Day 0.
TPP - Signed an executive order to pull out on Day 1.
Lobbying - Signed an ban on administration positions for lobbyists on Day 1.
NAFTA - Having meetings with Mexico and Canada this week.
Planned Parenthood - Defunds PP International (and other NGO's) on Day 1.
Still looking forward to conservative SCOTUS nominees, among other things in the days/weeks to come.
metsman, you can refuse to accept the truth why people are against trump if you want to. Too bad.
As far as your silly pic ---
Trump IS a threat to human rights. Duh.
The only thing the Women's March brought to light is, in fact, how many truly nasty women there are. Watching Ashley Judd and Madonna made me ashamed for women. My voting aged daughters thought it must be some sick joke...
Love trumps hate? I didn't see any love, just a lot of swearing, bullying and destruction of businesses and public property.
After seeing the anger and hatred spewing out of these "women", I guess there were a lot of happy husbands for one day though.
I was very happy to stay home and make a nice dinner for my family.
And guess what? He IS your President :)
And these Feminazi's are exactly why Donald Trump is the President of the United States. Their actions and many other so called activist allowed him to be voted in. They have no one to blame but themselves, it's because of their militant rhetoric to silence certain groups who do not agree with their beliefs. Happy is right they are not done nor will they ever be done. This is who they are and who they have always been. Nothing new. They haven't been this angry since Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves.
Oh geeze - nice auntiel.............the only nasty rhetoric I've seen or heard is from trumpettes. Maybe if you spoke with a few of us you might see things differently -
You apparently have no clue..............just spouting what you read.........
auntiel --- deplorable me ----
If people didn't speak out for what is right, women (like you and your voting age daughters, deplorable me) would still not be allowed to vote ...... and blacks would still be sitting in the back of the bus.
yankeefan --- it sounds like June Cleaver had the wrong telly station on !!
"Well,Obama and a lousy candidate are the reasons why a douchebag, narcissistic, megalomaniac,no qualifications to be president is President.
Blame your party."
Could not agree more
(spoken in the narration voice of The Justice League, for all those old enough to remember saturday morning cartoons)
MEANWHILE...... in the oval office.... Donald Trump runs out of ink signing executive orders (in the spirit of former presidents) on his FIRST "work day" on the job...
Happiest girl, what exactly were they speaking out about besides their hatred for our newly elected President? We haven't lost any rights. Pro life women were not welcome. Trump supporting women were berated. I watched a group of women that will never be representative of me. Their behavior is exactly why I voted for Trump.
Deplorable Me,
No. You're wrong. LOL I refuse to accept your version of reality. LOL
https://www.google.com/amp/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2017/1/21/14342942/womens-march-inauguration-trump-protest-goals-feminism-demands
Sent via my Samsung Galaxy, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
Deplorable Me --
They were not speaking about hate. They were speaking about human rights. It sounds like you did not listen to the speeches. Why don't you access them online and read them. Here are 2 examples:
"We recognize that we are collective agents of history and that history cannot be deleted like web pages .... Thie women's march represents the promise of feminism as against the pernicious powers of state violence. An inclusive and intersectional feminism that calls upon all of us to join the resistance to racism, to Islamophobia, to anti-semitism, to misogyny, to capitalist exploitation......" ---- Angela Davis
"We will not allow our bodies to be owned and controlled by men in government or any men anywhere for that matter. We will not allow our own compassionate souls to get stepped on. We want the best for all Americans. No hate. No bigotry. No Muslim registry. We value education, healthcare and equality." --- Alicia Keys
Yankeefan, I think it's accurate to say they did not reach their larger goal by a long shot. I guess the nasty women at the podium never got the memo, or didn't care. The entire DC march can be summed up as anti Trump, anti Trump supporters, and anti pro life advocates. They gained nothing and lost the respect of many women and men.
DM, disagree by a long shot. There were marches all over the world. Millions marched. Statement made loudly. And really, would you use the phrase "nasty men" if it had been men marching? Your phrase reveals your bias. Stay deplorable, my friend.
Happiest girl, I want nothing to do with their brand of femimism. They want what they believe is best for all citizens. They attack you when you disagree.
Big list of demands. Why weren't these demands protested for while Obama was President? Oh, I get it, they all became apparent when Trump was elected. They didn't exist before. And, no, undocumented or illegals don't deserve protection. They need to be sent back to where they came from, apply and enter legally. Then we worry about them.
Bonv, even though I agree with and appreciate standing up for those who won't or can't (men too, although it seems that, according to your articles, men are the source of women's problems) help themselves, I have real trouble with the mentality that it's the governments responsibility to simply give women what they desire simply because of their gender. Proudly helping and volunteering is very worthwhile, the stated goals are worthwhile and the desired outcomes should definitely be worked towards. But to completely ignore the methods to achieve the goals? To think nothing of the expectation that gender bias is reason enough to impose, through force mind you, a desired outcome? Sorry, that's where you lose me. I'll continue to help where I can but will keep pushing back against expectations based on force. It's too hypocritical a stance to relate to.
Now push back against all of the excessive uses of force in our society, I'm with you all the way. Work toward true equality and I'm all in. But not this way, sorry, I'll have to disagree.
Is that the same Angela Davis who was a former Black Panther and Communist Party member?
Deplorable Me said:
"destruction of businesses and personal property" (at Women's March) -----
You are wrong. No such thing happened.
There was no purpose to the deleted thread that I could see (seemed to be just a pot-stirring topic), and delayed posts probably need to be moderator approved.
Yankee fan, could the reason these "marches" were held all over the world, as you state, because they are all afraid of the USA cutting off the money train. It's about time we worry about us, first, jobs for us first, helping the poor here, encourage companies to manufacture here and that is probably why the protested.
JIT...Thank you for the response...although this thread could be considered 'pot-stirring' as well. :)
juswondering -
For your information - since you asked the question - the Women's March was held world-wide in solidarity with America's Women's March.
It is obvious that no on will or has been moved from their stated positions from the start of the first thread. I see no point in continuing to hash and rehash what has already been said. Just, when the attacks on our democracy are real and bearing fruit for the obvious few, then, and only then, will you be moved. Let's hope it won't be too late.
You're aware of the fact that automation will eliminate thousands and thousands of jobs at these factories Trump is so eager to bring back? Meanwhile the corporations will reap huge (pardon, yuuuuge) tax incentives to build these factories at a cost to taxpayers. So we will wind up with even less jobs in the long run, the same or higher taxes due to the friendly corporate playground America wlll become, and a government unwilling to accept the huge changes in labor that are encroaching on our workforce.
Furthermore, this assault on education will keep us near the bottom of the world's qualified workbase, which will be truly debiliating as companies become more and more global. Telecommuting with a company in Beijing in 50 years will probably be the norm, but many and many of our children's children will have a tough time competing on a stage that includes the children of every other developed nation. Those nations aren't going to just sit on their hands and wait for us to return to our former glory. They are going to run laps around us.
Tearing apart our health care system and, more importantly, striking down the reproductive rights of woman will lead to more and more unwanted pregnancies. These will mostly wind up leading to children born into neglect, poverty, and worse, a highly competitive job market once automation eliminates most low-level jobs. More poor, uneducated, uneployed people means more instability in our rural counties and inner cities. We're staring down a serious return to the rampant crime and ruthlessness of the '70s and '80s, but on a much more staggering level.
Trump won the election because of naivety. Naivety is the force that makes some of us believe the country was better decades ago and has simply "lost its way". It's the force that makes so many of us want to return to those days, as if we could crystalize them and live in them forever. We can't. The world has changed. We have to rise to the challenge that the future presents. Trump and his administration think they can just hit "Reset" on the world, and that doing so will put us back at the top of the pile. It won't. Just like sitting in a classic car with no gas in the tank won't take you down the road. We can't go back and pretend it's the '50s again. Other nations are outpacing us every day.
Isolationism and intolerance and ignorance are not the ways we catch up.
Thank you, Sycamore..... for what I believe, is the most intelligent post I have ever read on HackettstownForum.
The menfolk taking care of the womenfolk..
Widely reported:
Trump reinstated the Mexico City policy, also known as the global gag rule, which was first put in place by President Ronald Reagan in 1984. It prohibits giving U.S. funding to international nongovernmental organizations that offer or advise on a wide range of family planning and reproductive health options if they include abortion ― even if U.S. dollars are not specifically used for abortion-related services.
The United States spends about $600 million a year on international assistance for family planning and reproductive health programs, making it possible for 27 million women and couples to access contraceptive services and supplies.
None of that money is spent on performing abortions. The Helms amendment has prevented U.S. tax dollars from funding overseas abortions since 1973. Proponents of the global gag rule believe the policy is nevertheless still necessary, arguing that Helms isn’t strong enough by itself.
Our president is the biggest commie loving liar around. We get what we deserve.
Putin's boy toy is now running the USA!
wiseoldgoon RAS, why are you so concerned with the state of our "democracy" (incorrect, btw, which partially addresses the education issue - see Constitutional Republic) now? What has changed regarding your freedom to voice you're concerns, you're right to free speech, or you're right to vote? Nothing. Zero. Nada. The only thing that's changed is you're *feeling* like you're on the wrong side of mob rule (aka democracy). It'll be ok, maybe ;-)
And why now state that there's a problem with women's reproductive rights? Did women all of a sudden lose their ability to make their own choices, did the process of conception change, has an entire health care sector shut down, or is it really just a simple concern or feeling that a free or reduced cost service is in jeopardy? Very serious question.
Regarding education being assaulted, that has been going on for longer than we've been alive. How about the education needed to be able to discern symptoms vs causes and the very basic process of root-cause analysis, practically non-existent when subjects, such as this, become pure emotion instead of reasoned discussion between rational adults? How about simple math, specifically the understanding of a time-based exponential function which, when applied to our system of debt-based money, clearly demonstrates how the concept of doubling time (taught in high school) *will* be visibly affecting our lives and standard of living (imo the effects are already showing themselves, but because of our silly human nature to think in term of using the government as our personal piggy bank, along with emotion attachments to getting stuff for free, we remain blinded to the cause and cling to "blaming the other guy/gal")?
And define healthcare system? The business end operates illegally and with impunity. Why, because there is no pricing structure whatsoever, no way as consumers to shop around to seek the best doctors at the best prices. Everyone in the industry overstates prices. Everyone. And that is flagrantly against the law, yet no legislator does a thing about it. You want it fixed? Tell your congress folks to grow a spine and stand up to the industry! We have good doctors and medical practices but the system itself sucks royally and has needed to be changed for many years now. Absolutely nothing to do with any current politician, especially trump.
But I suspect that's not the response desired. Not enough emotion in it! Getting emotional is the only thing that gets traction any more, but if that's what passes for being educated today, then I guarantee there will be no solutions to be found. IOW, get used to the division and expect even more discourse because that is always the result of emotion-based decision making. That's what we need to break, not ask for more of.
So yeah, when you claim no one changes their mind I agree fully. But the reason why is one of emotion and certainly not because of anything logical. This applies all around I might add.
"So yeah, when you claim no one changes their mind I agree fully. But the reason why is one of emotion and certainly not because of anything logical. This applies all around I might add."
And this is precisely why the country will never "unify". No one wants to unless it's on THEIR terms: no one wants any "crossing the isle" going on unless it's the OTHER SIDE doing the crossing. And that's exactly how DC wants it, because keeping the hate fueled keeps them with "reasons" why THEY must be chosen over the OTHER side. It's a game of good cop bad cop. And the rule "all is fair in love and war" applies: lying, hypocrisy, ignoring truth because it doesn't fit your emotional narrative....
The only PARTIAL caveat to this is: if Trump's policies actually start the country turning around, especially economically, and at the borders, you will see an even bigger Trump victory the 2nd time around. But after 8 years, the people get tired of whichever side has been in control, and the pendulum swings. As designed.
Unfortunately, until a majority of the people get informed enough to realize all this, there is no end in sight to the divide, and it can be laid at both parties' feet. Again, by design. The libertarian movement would need to grow by leaps and bounds (and even they aren't right 100% of the time, no one is).
Dennis Miller had a good post yesterday:
"I think the misassumption is that there are inarguable facts... there aren't... there's those who are in power and those who aren't."
oh my...the reason some people don't change their mind is that they've thought through the problem/issue and logically came to a position/decision. You (as usual) imply that everyone (yourself excluded) makes emotional and self-interested choices. Simply not the case.
Apropos, although I know some (many likely) will ignore the trends of recent history and minimize the quote below as simply my version of emotional rhetoric - so be it:
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years."
Posted not as a prediction, but rather as a guidepost when viewing our documented collective (mis)deeds regarding monetary policy and public and private greed.
"You're aware of the fact that automation will eliminate thousands and thousands of jobs at these factories Trump is so eager to bring back?"
Robots need programming and maintenance. I'd rather employ Americans to do that than not.
JIT, It's Trump's overall behavior and constant lying that has a lot of folks worried. If Hillary did or said anything, like Trump did, she would've been strung up and "locked up". You don't have a problem with his financial dealings, around the world, a conflict of interest? Oh, wait. He's not going to know anything. Only his son in law, who just happens to be his top advisor, married to his daughter, who also has to take on the role of First lady. His children will hang on to all his businesses, so when he's done ruining the country, as he attempts to become a trillionaire, the businesses "he will know nothing about", will still be his, when he's done playing the president game. That's all this whole thing is, to him. A game.... just like a TV show. With him not caring how others see his behavior and constant lies , indicates he doesn't give a hoot, about the average Joe. He just obsesses about winning and telling everyone what a good businessman he is. "Melanoma", won't even move into the Whitehouse. Must not be enough goldleaf tables and toilet seats. We all know, she can't stand the guy. Her body language, speaks for itself. Anyone else, with his checkered past, wouldn't have stood a chance. Most of the American people do want to see his taxes. What's he hiding? An audit, doesn't stop the ability to show the public full disclosure, regarding his finances. He is supposed to be working for us, now. I don't think he can wrap that around his tiny brain, with those small hands, of his. Trump and conflict of interest, go hand in hand. Amazing, the things he gets away with, just because he's a celebrity. He backpedaled on "the wall". Now we are paying for it. Lied about "draining the swamp", of corruption. A lot of people, I spoke with, who protested recently, where actually Trump voters, who feel like they just got screwed over, by the man they elected. Can't blame them, for being angry. You really think Trump is interested in "equality for all"? Buyers remorse? Yup.
"It's Trump's overall behavior and constant lying that has a lot of folks worried."
Because Hillary wasn't a serial liar LOL
sparks, I despise Trump as much as anyone and for many of the same reasons. I've said so before and I'll reiterate it now. He WILL do more harm than good, of that I have no doubt. I do not defend him. He is evil in many ways, not just from a politically correct standpoint but from a greed perspective as well.
However, my views are derived more from the further erosion of our monetary system, a system of government that supports *everything* we do in society. Everything. It is a foundational issue, so important that, as you've probably guessed from reading my posts here, I tend to be a one-trick-pony singularly focused on it. And guess what? NO ONE complaining about Trump is complaining because he will accelerate the problems with our monetary system. No one. Yet the destruction of that system of government would lead to so much more harm than anything that is being discussed today.
Reproductive rights? Ahem, the issue is abortion, plain and simple no matter how people want to dress it up. It's inherently an emotional subject, and quite frankly there are quite valid points to be made on both sides of the issue. But it is NOT a Trump issue, it is a societal one that will be fought over for ages to come.
And if you think that I approve of our government being run by big business perhaps you haven't read anything I've ever posted ;-) I am adamantly against it. I am pro rule-of-law, meaning I want laws that are applied equally and across the entire population. Equally, without exception. However, we do NOT have that today nor have we been working toward it. We have exceptions. Exceptions if you're rich, exceptions if you display a police badge on your windshield, exceptions if you happen to know the DA, etc. IOW, we are barely hanging on to the rule of law, the only exception being the lowest levels of society where the laws in place are completely unfair to begin with. No, our society definitely has it's priorities messed up, and rather than try to fix them all anyone can talk about today is the fact that Trump wants to TAKE SOME PERK AWAY. Really? And people expect that to be considered a thoughtful exercise? Please. Look at our most vocal posters here, how their entire diatribes are about perks - how to get them, who to elect to get them, how much we deserve to get them, and on and on and on. That's self-destructive and selfish reasoning and nothing that comes from that kind of thought process will ever "fix" things. The only benefit to that line of thinking is selfish rewards.
"I have real trouble with the mentality that it's the governments responsibility to simply give women what they desire simply because of their gender." Where do you draw the line: equal rights? equal pay? sexual assaut? p-word grabbing? Maybe it's not because of their gender but because they are human, just like men like JIT. He got his.....
" I see no point in continuing to hash and rehash what has already been said." I don't know. I change my mind all the time as the facts are presented. IMO other people do to. I remember when the length of the Vietnam War changed people's minds during Johnson. I remember when "read my lip" changed some minds pretty damn fast although history has proven --- it was the right choice. This latest Bush was a pure mind bender as I feel Trump will be too. Talk about highs and lows, I think many will be manic-depressive come 2020. Obama who was fairly scandal free, lost less military lives than previous Presidents, lost less Americans to terrorism than previous Presidents, gave us the lowest taxes in a long time, and kept us from toppling off the tallest fiscal cliff since The Great Depression, certainly changed people's minds in strange sorts of ways leading to: "I like him personally though....." because the facts of many people's lives were not turning positive enough, fast enough. Frankly, I think websites like this serve that purpose.
"You're aware of the fact that automation will eliminate thousands and thousands of jobs at these factories." Uh, that's a fact that has caused the MAJORITY of the factory job loss currently. A convenient truth Trump has ignored and that his plans don't cover. And yes, we will subsidize these factories with our tax dollars as welfare handouts to corporate America. Just like we subsidize them today with minimum wage workers who make so little we put them on welfare. So every BK burger you get for $1 really costs more as we pump $300M into BK minimum wage workers on welfare.
Close to 75% of all Welfare recipients work. 50% of them work full time. We pay $7B in welfare to fast food joint families. Trump is not going to change this. No plans.
"Did women all of a sudden lose their ability to make their own choices." Perhaps not suddenly, certainly not all, but yes.
"...education needed to be able to discern symptoms vs causes and the very basic process of root-cause analysis, practically non-existent when subjects, such as this..." he says as he avoids even the semblance of a single supporting fact within his entire tome. And it's a long one too.
I agree on the Healthcare except you leave out the natural market factors that exasperate the closed market conditions you note. But I disagree with your conclusion that Turnip has nothing to do with it and it's a Congressional thing. Trump is already taking us backwards here without a comparative alternative. And I do think minds will be changed before we pass the 4-year mark here.
Nice quote although I think a mash-up that first appeared during the Bush/Gore election and not really attributable to anyone. Of course, the fact we are a Constitutionlal Republic will slow that down. Rather than argue for hand-outs, we will turn our emotions to the electoral college and the size of one's hands.
Sparks exaggerate much... I just love how people think they know how things are gonna go down.
" he says as he avoids even the semblance of a single supporting fact within his entire tome. And it's a long one too."
SD, I've long concluded that you're perspective on things (hint: gimme gimme gimme) inhibits/prohibits your ability to see any other view. I've supported my thoughts with plenty of links and discussion, repeatedly, over the many years that you and I have been posting here, but it's obvious that in all that time you still haven't a clue about how to understand them. Sadly, I also recognize that you will always fall back to your default state, which is rudeness and condescension against anything/anyone who does not share your view. In that respect, some things truly never change.
"Because Hillary wasn't a serial liar LOL"
No, Hillary was not a serial liar like Trump. How can you miss that?
I tell you what: find a more prolific political/public office holder liar than Trump. Does not have to be current or US.
Probably can find a different holder-of-the-biggest-lie but it's early yet and we haven't even seen his taxes or heard the end of current litigation.
The newest one filed this week alleges conflicts of interest in foreign payments for goods and services. Trump poo-pooed it yet what can he know about his business? This one features some pretty high powered talent against Trump and seeks no money, just cease and desist.
Trump has an expected 7-hour deposition over his Washington restaurant partnership allegedly gone sour. He recently lost his claim of being too busy to be legal...
A number of cases stemming from Trump Security Forces alleged abuses at his rallies
And I think Melania is still suing The Daily Mail for $150M over allegations of fake news.
Aren't We Great Again?
Happiest girl, my apologies. I was lumping the inaugural protests and the Women's March together. They had identical themes imo.
JIT says: Reproductive rights? Ahem, the issue is abortion, plain and simple no matter how people want to dress it up. It's inherently an emotional subject, and quite frankly there are quite valid points to be made on both sides of the issue. But it is NOT a Trump issue, it is a societal one that will be fought over for ages to come.
You could not be farther from the truth. Abortion is a very small part of the issue. Although a very important one. But unwanted pregnancies as well as many STDs can be prevented with birth control, condoms and education. All services Planned Parenthood provides, and it is apparent that Trump and his ilk intend to defund them. Likewise, with an evermore conservative Supreme Court, (can't wait to see Trump's nominee), there is a very real fear that Roe vs Wade could be damaged or overturned. Women (and men) have every right to be extremely concerned that this administration is intent on controlling their choices and their bodies.
In the attached photo President Trump signs an executive order Monday barring federal tax dollars going to foreign organizations that perform abortions or promote them, reinstating the “Mexico City Policy” that President Obama rescinded when he was in office.
The policy had been put in place by Republicans in the Oval Office — including Presidents Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush — and rolled back by subsequent Democratic presidents.
Reagan first instituted the policy in 1984, while attending a UN conference in Mexico City.
The pro-life measure comes a day after the anniversary of the landmark Supreme Court case Roe v. Wade and days before the annual March for Life in Washington.
Just a different way of "grabbing them by the pu**y.
"find a more prolific political/public office holder liar than Trump".
Well that's not fair. Stalin didn't have twitter.
"You could not be farther from the truth. Abortion is a very small part of the issue."
Ok, lets say abortion services were not part of PP. Would we be having this discussion if that were the case?
I ask because imo a very simple solution is to spinoff those "services" to an independently funded, stand-alone operation. If abortion truly is a very small part of the issue why wouldn't that be a perfectly acceptable solution to deal with public money in a private organization? If not, I'd ask why?
"why wouldn't that be a perfectly acceptable solution to deal with public money in a private organization?"
Because then it's not *freeeeee!*
President Trump continues to say that he would have won the popular vote if 3 million or more illegal votes had not been cast for his opponent.
When asked why, if this is true, he is not having such a serious matter investigated, his spokesman answered that maybe it will be at some point, but right now the president's focus is elsewhere. He, Sean Spicer, seemed to be really saying, look, we all know it isn't true, but you know I can't contradict my boss, why don't we just let this go.
One thing we can take from this is that it is a very strong argument in favor of letting the popular vote elect the president, when it is so disturbing to a winner of the electoral college only that it gnaws at him deeply, such that he has to make up an alternate reality. (Admittedly it never seemed to bother George W. Bush though.)
Mark and JIT, Planned Parenthood's budget is actually less than half funded by the Federal Government.
"Mark and JIT, Planned Parenthood's budget is actually less than half funded by the Federal Government."
So then it shouldn't be hard to get that $528M from elsewhere, right?
(Note, that I'm actually pro-choice, but generally anti-government subsidy.)
Well, I think they will do something about the potential illegal votes... they won't object to or sue states that implement voter ID laws.
It's his propaganda strategy that will help drive voter suppression even further.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels
Interesting perspective from some of his staff: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/01/trump-aides-cant-stop-blabbing-about-how-hes-a-madman.html
Mark, instead of a facetious reply, you might consider who will wind up paying for the enormous healthcare and child related expenses a shutdown would lead to. The work PP does positively affects millions in terms of preventing unwanted pregnancies, health issues and education. Some programs benefit everyone.
"One thing we can take from this is that it is a very strong argument in favor of letting the popular vote elect the president, when it is so disturbing to a winner of the electoral college only that it gnaws at him deeply, such that he has to make up an alternate reality. (Admittedly it never seemed to bother George W. Bush though.)"
I agree Trump is being an Ahole over this but Bush didn't have the loony leftists making such a concerted effort to try and overturn the results and constantly babbling they won the popular vote.
Here's a little more for you on the subject from the Pope: http://newcenturytimes.com/2017/01/23/pope-francis-just-dropped-a-bombshell-about-trump-that-every-american-should-hear/
"In a chilling preview of what freedom of the press will look like in Trump’s America, two journalists arrested while covering Inauguration Day protests in Washington DC have been slapped with felony charges. They could face up to 10 years in prison and $25,000 in fines if convicted."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/23/two-journalists-trump-inauguration-protests-felony-riot-charges-evan-engel-alex-rubinstein?CMP=fb_gu
That can't be right Bonv. After all, journalists from Israeli and Russian news outlets are surely protected under Trumputin ;-)
If things went down as claimed I'm sure the two will be fine. Trump hadn't even stepped foot in the WH at the time they were arrested, was he? Not sure how that could be considered his fault already lol.
"Mark and JIT, Planned Parenthood's budget is actually less than half funded by the Federal Government."
Sorry, not sure of the relevance - a little clarification please. I'm basing my replies off the perspective that abortions are the issue and the rest of PP's daily operations weren't.
I've read that more than 1,000,000 people were involved in marches yesterday (1.11.17) Can you imagine if they broke up into groups of 100 they could have built 10,000 homes for homeless folks? Even if they designated them for battered women and homeless women they could still claim real progress by their demonstration. Sadly they seemed to choose nothing more than making speeches complaining about things that might happen in the future or things that happened decades ago even. Just think, there was way more talk and signs about women's right to abortions than to housing women who need a place to live. Makes ya wonder what their priorities are and how they can complain about Washington priorities are. How much money do you suppose was spent busing all those folks around? Just the cost of prininting all those signs must have been tens of thousands of dollars. How much more, I wonder, was spent on motels for them? All that money could have bought a lot of meals for homeless and destitute people."
The Man "After all, journalists from Israeli and Russian news outlets" - distinction probably hasn't reached trump yet. I think that it is more about the foreshadowing of what is to come.
Most likely this is what we will be happening in the very near future and out of his playbook: “Move the white house press corp across the street to make room for more so called press, but who will really be right wing media, blogs and conspiracy websites all dedicated to promoting Trump. Then only call on those handpicked sources, perhaps even giving them prepared questions to ask in which answers have already been rehearsed. When other media outlets try to ask questions or make any fuss whatsoever, throw them out and ban their network, until the few remaining actual journalists are too intimidated to ask any hard questions and be denied further access, thus effectively gagging the media who depend upon access.”
Speaking of Trump's lies... That time Trump's attorneys said there was no evidence of voter fraud in 2016 election "....All available evidence suggests that the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud or mistake."
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Objection_to_Recount_Petition_544089_7.pdf
If you still don't get it, this may help - if you read all of it. "To those who are confused or surprised about why millions of people showed up to protest Saturday...
"Women are marching because our children deserve a secretary of education that cares about education.
"Women are marching because our family and friends deserve healthcare. Did you know that before the ACA, newborns in the NICU would hit their lifetime caps on health insurance coverage? That's right, Babies who had never felt the sun on their skin could no longer get health insurance.
"Women are marching because of domestic violence crisis centers and after school programs deserve funding.
"Women are marching because we deserve clean air, clean water, and national parks.
"Women are marching because we believe the children protected by the DREAM act deserve to be here and they deserve to live with their parents, not in orphanages and foster homes.
"And most of all, women are marching because we have the right to. The right to protest and speak out against our government is the first amendment. That's right, #1! It is one of our most fundamental American rights.
"Saying that we're whining, throwing temper tantrums, or that we're immature, or that we need to get over it will not stop us. It will not stop us from fighting for you. And we are fighting for you because you deserve these rights too.
"We're not marching because Trump won.
"We're marching because he wants to take all of the things that we hold dear away. All of the things that we've been fighting for generations.
"And we're not giving up easily.
"Anyone who thinks we're marching because we lost just simply isn't listening. We're fighting because we refuse to lose more."
Rabbi Toba Schaller
So only women want those things, or are us lowly, selfish and despicable men allowed to partake as well? ;-)
"say bye bye to the first amendment"
oh for chrissakes, you're as unhinged as that lunatic Ashley Judd was at the protest the the other day.
"So then it shouldn't be hard to get that $528M from elsewhere, right?"
Yes. With only 1 in 1000 abortions being paid for by taxpayer dollars, I'm sure Madonna and Judd, with the help of the "1 million" marchers, could afford to foot the bill for the rest, it's such a "small" number, right?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2015/10/02/are-american-taxpayers-paying-for-abortion/#5b1c4f8f7709
Oh the tolerant left, Chelsea Handler on would she interview Melania Trump, " why would I, she doesn't even speak English". She speaks 5 languages, and what the he'll has Chelsea Handler done to become so called famous.
Another DNC Chair Candidate shows her true colors.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/24/dnc-chair-candidate-wants-to-shut-other-white-people-down.html
Well, this settles that argument...
Today, January 24, 2017, the United States House of Representatives passed H.R.7 by a vote of 238 to 183, making the Hyde Amendment permanent. The Hyde Amendment prohibits taxpayer dollars from being used to fund abortions through Medicaid.
“We are a pro-life Congress,” said House Speaker Paul Ryan in a statement. “Today we renewed our commitment to the Hyde Amendment with the passage of the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act. I want to thank Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ) for his tireless commitment to this cause. This legislation protects the conscience of American taxpayers by ensuring that not a single dollar of their hard-earned money goes to fund abortions. As hundreds of thousands of Americans flock to Washington for the March for Life, we must never forget that defending all of our people – especially the defenseless – must be our top priority if we want to be a good and moral nation.”
A victory for life.
Trump is moving very fast. Actually doing exactly what he told his supporters he would do. Strange, for an elected official. Word on the street is that today he signs executive orders stopping the Syrian refugee program and preventing immigration from muslim-majority countries.
"Sadly they seemed to choose nothing more than making speeches complaining about things that might happen in the future or things that happened decades ago even." Are we talking about the Trump campaign?
"Just think, there was way more talk and signs about women's right to abortions than to housing women who need a place to live." Hey Lucy, have you been counting speeches and signs again? How do you know that? I can find plenty of
"Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?"
4catmom when you actually lose something let us know. Right now you're marching to nothing...
Metsman: Just another male who thinks he knows what's best for women. In the words of Germaine Greer- "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament".
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/01/house-representatives-trump-hyde-amendment
I believe in pro choice for women but not at tax payers expense. I believe women have the right to do what they want with their bodies but should pay for their own decisions.
you know, it's not really Trump's specific policies that get to me. I actually like some, and the rest is just typical Republican BS.
I'm concerned about his state of mind. I don't think he's very bright to begin with (though a good actor, of course), he's old and it shows, and very flighty.
I think the Republicans will manipulate him for all they're worth. Finally they will have had enough (and perhaps will pin something like a crappy social security reform on him) and push him out.
Until that happens he'll be throwing all kinds of random monkey wrenches. Probably for the best to have him obsessing over attendance at event, unfair press coverage, and every other assault on his ego. That way his erratic behavior is just embarrassing.
Here's an idea... use birth control or some other contraceptive. Or practice abstinence...
how about leaving Planned Parenthood funded so those with little money can get birth control................
True MrCharlie.
You just need a few Trump whisperers to convince him that these are the things he wants to do, and only he is strong and smart and amazing enough to make them happen. “Hey Mr. President - remember last month when you said that you wanted to cut all funding to organizations who acknowledge that abortion is a thing that exists? Remember that? That was such a tremendous, impressive idea that we had some staff write your amazing idea up into an executive order for you to sign. Once you sign this, it becomes yet another amazing accomplishment of yours. It’s too bad the mainstream media will try to lie and say this is a bad idea, but I know that your ideas are the best ideas, and this will definitely make America much greater and stronger. Sign here.”
"how about leaving Planned Parenthood funded so those with little money can get birth control................"
If only that really worked. I come from a family of idiots who spew out "oops" every time they have a bun in the oven. This is in Canada where you can get birth control practically for free. You can't fix stupid.
I find it fascinating that people raise questions about Trumps moral character and yet have no problem cutting human lives out of their bodies.
"You just need a few Trump whisperers to convince him that these are the things he wants to do, and only he is strong and smart and amazing enough to make them happen."
... and that "power" has *always* existed with execution actions.
If those "things" they want him to sign are coming from the legislative branch, then that's *GOOD*, because they were elected by the people exactly for that reason - to pass laws to the President for him to sign.
I think it will come through congress, for the most part. I'm thinking Social Security privatization, or perhaps an ill conceived Obamacare replacement, or may be just no more section 8 vouchers. When le deplorables lose their entitlements, they'll get mad, and trump gets thrown to the dogs.
Oh scratch that, I forgot that trumpers are all rugged individuals. All that stuff is for moochers.
here's your voter fraud: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/25/steve-bannon-voter-registration-trump-election-voter-fraud?CMP=share_btn_fb
Bannon reminds me of The Picture of Dorian Grey....
“Those who find ugly meanings in beautiful things are corrupt without being charming."
“Whenever a man does a thoroughly stupid thing, it is always from the noblest motives.”
"how about leaving Planned Parenthood funded so those with little money can get birth control................"
Ignorance or propaganda, not sure which. Only the funding for ABORTIONS is being cut.
Jazzy, " pro abortion for women, but not at the taxpayers expense", so we can rule out religion, as a reason. Comes down to the cost, huh? Well, who do you think is going to pay for all those social workers (unwanted children are often abused), foster homes, housing, food, medical care (some drug users seek abortion, knowing abnormalities can arise, in the fetus) and schools, for all those born into poverty?
" pro abortion for women, but not at the taxpayers expense", so we can rule out religion, as a reason. Comes down to the cost, huh? "
Religion does not necessarily have anything to do with believing abortion is murder. Plenty of atheists who are anti-murder.
I don't feel like I'm in America anymore. I am living under the leadership of a dictator-like steamroller that's destroying the very fabric of democracy being led by a hate monger with a vengeance for Mexicans and any other non-white person.
Add to that a leader driven by such a deep disbelief in science and any other science-driven organization that dare speaks facts. And if they do, he puts them on "notice" and removes the facts. This is scary Orwellian crap.
Heck, this guy can't even accept that he won and makes a narcissistic to-do over voter fraud in hopes of bragging that he won the popular vote as well. Doesn't he have better things to do?
Oh, yeah, he does. He's going to build a wall with our tax dollars. Fabulous.
His presidency to date, to quote him is a "disaster" and the world is watching on edge and laughing at the weaknesses he is creating under the guise of "strength."
"I don't feel like I'm in America anymore."
And the other half feels like they're in America again. Thems the breaks.
"Comes down to the cost, huh?"
Nope. It comes down to which members of our society are entitled to have the law protect them from harm imposed by others. Today the law protects us from -3 months into old age. Agreed? Some of us look at the science and ask why is -3 months the start of legal protection? Nothing to do with religion or wanting to tell women what to do with their bodies. It's all about when societal protection begins for its citizens. Period.
Anyone who subscribes to the theory that all life is valuable must surely be able to see why the ongoing disagreements. If so can we please stop with the irrelevant taking points and stick to defining when, as human beings, we are allowed to our *inalienable* right to life?
"Comes down to the cost, huh?"
Didn't you know, it's OK to kill someone if it saves you money later...
Be right back - I have to go visit my mortgage lender...
pre-natal care at Planned Parenthood? Are you sure? Because THEY seem to be...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekgiScr364Y
So far, unlike almost any other politician, Trump is doing *exactly* what he said he'd do during his campaign. While some items are just a first step or an EO to clear the way, he has started to address (de)funding or administrative planning for:
ObamaCare... check.
Planned Parenthood... check.
Oil Pipeline... check.
NAFTA... check.
TPP... check.
Deportation... check.
Build the Wall... check.
Defund Sanctuary Cities... check.
It's only Day 3.
Not surprising - but all the articles I've seen CNN post about the executive actions spend 99% of the time editorializing but don't actually link to the language within the signed statements/documents or an official source containing the same.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions
are any of you potentially affected by this news? In case you missed it, today the Senate voted 51 to 48:
1. To end coverage for preexisting conditions, veterans benefits, and aid to rural hospitals.
2. To remove discrimination protection for women in healthcare.
3. Against the provision allowing children to remain on their parent's insurance till the age of 26.
4. To cut off funding for the Child Health Insurance Program (CHIP).
5. Against ACA contraceptive coverage and maternity care provision.
6. To direct committees to send budget legislation to defund and repeal the Affordable Care Act.
For those who get health insurance through work, no pre-existing conditions will be covered. Lifetime caps for insurance coverage are back, for everyone.
Real and disastrous actions are being taken that will affect more than just the 20-30 million people who will lose their health care coverage and the 3 million people who will lose their jobs.
Despite their assertions of this being an action to "repeal and replace," no viable alternative plan has been proposed.
The House votes Friday.
As of this moment, no replacement exists.
Apparently, Speaker Ryan has had his phones cut off because of the volume of calls, so here is his mailing address:
1233 Longworth HOB
Washington, D.C. 20515
4catmom, that information is two weeks old. The House already voted to repeal it. (Just in case anyone actually got the urge to waste their time writing to Paul Ryan...)
To all of you hiding under your bed and scared to death because President Trump is doing what exactly what he campaigned on you should have found yourself a better candidate. Maybe focus on that for the next 8 years.
JIT, a good read on how "life" is currently defined.
http://www.salon.com/2016/12/03/legal-and-still-a-crime-abortion-laws-to-watch-out-for-in-trumps-america/
Ok yankeefan. Not sure that it being legal is being disputed as that is a primary reason for some folks wanting to change the *law* ;-)
My comment was solely about the "why" because there's a lot of misunderstanding in the oft-repeated rhetoric, understandably due to the intimate nature of the subject.
What was included in the link was the range of pregnancy weeks in which abortion is allowed. If you are interested in debating at what point human "life" begins, there are probably as many opinions as there are people.
Donald Trump said today he would seek to open an investigation into voter fraud in the 2016 election. He said he really needs to prove he won the electoral vote. Barron is calling him a loser.
Next he will pursue Hillary's private email server and Benghazi. We expect to charge Bill Clinton with sexual abuse; Trump has the phone numbers for each of Clinton's accusers'.
In associated news, Trump indicated that he would re-open the OJ murder conviction. "I would like to see this tried in open court on TV. Could be a hit show to review everything that happened in the OJ trials and see where it would lead with a panel of today's Trump supporters. This could be a real ratings megashow.
In addition to installing and favoring 'alternative facts' media (i.e. ingraham) at the press conferences and to bring along audience members that will clap/laugh/sneer at the jokes/comments, the administration has now sent two campaign aides (right-wing bloggers) to "help/oversee" Voice of America. Good way to spread propaganda on the taxpayers budget and yet another strategy straight out of 30's Germany. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/donald-trump-voice-america-234078
A few conservative/moderate voices are willing to fight for democracy - here's hoping it's not too late. www.standuprepublic.com
"has now sent two campaign aides (right-wing bloggers) to "help/oversee" Voice of America."
Oh my, how scary! Oh wait... the CEO of BBG said:
"As is routine for many federal agencies during any presidential transition, yesterday we welcomed the two-person landing team from the Trump administration. We look forward to working with them as we continue to fulfill our mission, and support the independence of our journalists around the world.”
... and also from the article:
"The timing of the Trump aides' arrival is not necessarily unusual – the Obama administration also sent transition officials to the BBG during his transition in 2009."
So it's routine... and Obama did it, but Trump is Hitler. Got it.
Hope they'll pass a new law, where ALL voters should be required to show ID. This would eliminate voter fraud.
Let them recount.
I'd like to see how many illegal immigrants/ dead people voted, and who they voted for.
Besides... *Obama* signed the law that strips away BBG's powers over the broadcast (which is what Trump haters fear).
http://www.rferl.org/a/obama-signs-law-restructuring-us-international-media-voa-rferl-board-governors/28194511.html
"Let them recount."
Don't worry... the Democrats would never go for it.
Last time they did, Hillary lost thousands of votes and it exposed poll errors in places like Detroit that had "too many" votes (more than the # of voters that showed up).
kerii ---
If you believe in the possibility of voter fraud -- then you -- and all of us -- should rightfully question the elected president.
Voter fraud has been proven, many times over. If you DON'T believe it happens, then you are either ill-informed, or willfully ignorant.
Let's see... how many stages of grief are there? Where are we at now?
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
Most of you have at least moved onto to anger, but there are still some stuck on denial...
Didn't you know, it's OK to kill a small mass of cells if it saves you money later...
Fixed it for you, Mark.
I'm sure some of you are correct - or maybe not - http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-warns-europe-people-voted-for-hitler-and-then-he-destroyed-his-people-2017-1
MB,
What about a small mass of cells with a heartbeat? Ohio's new law:
"The Ohio legislature passed a measure outlawing abortion when physicians could detect a fetal heartbeat — at roughly six weeks."
Our country needs some form of medical coverage for everyone. Get rid of all the paper pushers, reform our medical legal system, eliminate all plans, get rid of the marketing, leaving one plan that covers everyone for everything. It covers the entire country and Americans travelling overseas. Everyone pays into it and if not they have to cover their own medical expenses entirely on their own without any government assistance.
Anyone showing up for any medical reason including emergency care will be denied care unless they are on the plan or cover their own expenses. This is the only solution that will work to reduce health care expenses and provide the best care for everyone. Call it whatever you want and if you don't like this approach offer an alternative that works for everyone.
Jono You can't legislate morality. If Roe vs. Wade falls, people will still find ways to get abortions. And if l had to bet money on it, l'd say Trump has paid for a few over the years.
"You can't legislate morality. If Roe vs. Wade falls, people will still find ways to get abortions. "
Hmm... sounds very much like another topic that gets discussed ad nauseum on here....
If there's no point in abortion laws because "people will still find ways to get abortions", then there's no point in gun gun control laws because....
Important point not to be missed: BOTH issues are about ending OTHER PEOPLE's existence....
for your morning reading amusement - https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/us/politics/trump-bernhard-langer-voting-fraud.html?_r=0&referer= https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FMU5TAHryYL
The big boys, in government, get free, lifetime Cadillac healthcare. America? All the rest of us? Well, unless one is very wealthy, or lucky enough to have a job that provides lifetime healthcare, free, you stand to lose everything you worked so hard for, just to evade pain and suffering. And the government works for us!? What a joke. Of course the first thing those greedy republicans want to attack... healthcare. Let THEM go without healthcare and see what it's like. How scary it feels. The people, who are least likely to stand up and be heard... the poor, sick, elderly and the disabled. Those folks need a "Martin Luther King" type, to start a movement to protect the neglected ones. It's not forced charity. It's like supporting children, via school taxes, when one has no kids of their own. No one complains about that, though.
Not only has Trump paid for abortions in the past. There is the matter of hush money he has paid and the two divorce settlements that keep former wifes and relationships quiet. Let there be no mistake Melania has an agreement in place to keep her happy and comfortable should the marriage fail. It will also keep her quiet.
Trump is a spoiled bully accustomed to getting everything he wants regardless of the impact on others.
"Trump is a spoiled bully accustomed to getting everything he wants regardless of the impact on others."
Actually, he's DELIVERING everything HIS SUPPORTERS want, which is the actual JOB DESCRIPTION of an elected representative.
I guess that makes half the country "spoiled bullies". But no more "spoiled bullies" than the OTHER half has been for the last 8 years. I guess Obama was a "spolied bully" when he got Obamacare passed. Oh, wait... no, HE was just doing what he got elected to do, right? Hypocrisy at it's finest.
And the pendulum swings....
Some have the assumption that there are inarguable facts; there are not. There are only who are in power and those who are not.
"It's like supporting children, via school taxes, when one has no kids of their own. No one complains about that, though"
You must be new here (-;
"l'd say Trump has paid for a few over the years."
Ignoring the main assumption... if *he* paid for them, then it's not a taxpayer issue.
So, if all he does is make it so taxpayers aren't funding Planned Parenthood, you could still go there if you wanted and pay for it yourself.
If a law is passed/changed making abortions illegal, then you can still go to Mexico to get it done. I hear it's really safe there (great gun laws) and they have plenty of jobs too.
I cant wait for a year from now. It will determine if Trump was right or wrong. I'm sure some people cant accept that he would be write and others that he would be wrong but it will be clear by then. The suspense is killing me!
TM
Troublemaker "Voter fraud has been proven, many times over. If you DON'T believe it happens, then you are either ill-informed, or willfully ignorant." You know you can have the simultaneous occurrence of "it happens" and "so what, who cares."
Steve Bannon was registered in two states. And he worked for an idiot who really cares and he still didn't become legal until a few days AFTER Trump announced his fatwa on the massive millions and millions of voter fraud. Who cares.
Tiffany Trump is registered in two states. Who cares.
Steven Mnuchin is registered in two states. Who cares.
Sure, it's legal right now. That's what Trump says whenever he gets covered with "it happens." Trump believes this should be illegal but his folks are good folk.
Let's do it. Because this one is so stupid that maybe shining a light would help.
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims-revisited/
"President Donald Trump continues to claim — without any evidence — there was massive voter fraud in the 2016 presidential election."
https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud
"Our report "The Truth About Voter Fraud" reveals most allegations of fraud turn out to be baseless "
Let's get that first bogus witch hunt started.
Trump is a disaster but the electoral college says he is President at least for the next four years. Trump will deliver on some of his promises but eventually even the republicans in Congress will believe he is unhinged and rein him in. That is our only hope. Until then watch what happens and see who really benefits from what he does. It will not be the middle class, those left behind by automation and certainly not the coal miners in WV.
Jono those left behind by automation are the ones that are too lazy to get technical degrees. Automation employs all kinds of engineers. Go get an engineering degree or a tech certification to work on those machines when they need repairs. People need to evolve with the times. If you think you'll get a good paying job with just a high school diploma then good luck... We hired 3 engineers in the past year at my company. They're all Indians. Americans need to wake up, because other countries are ahead of us.
"those left behind by automation and certainly not the coal miners in WV"
Automation is a fact of life in the manufacturing world. I'd still rather have as many jobs here as possible, even with increasing levels of automation (which should make the labor cost discrepancy less of an issue).
What has Trump said against coal workers?
Trump carried West Virginia because he stated that he would bring the jobs back and stop the Feds from shutting down mines.
The opposing point of view (i.e. Jono) is that the mines/jobs are shutting down because the economy really does not want coal. Thus really nothing Trump can do for West Virginia. I agree with that assessment: cheap fracked natural gas is / will displace coal for electric power generation.
Oh now Mrcharlie you're letting cold hard facts get in the way!
Bottom line, if your job is going away LEARN something ELSE! Stop whining like a lib leftist and do it. LOL
I would add that if you have to move to a new place to get a job, do it.
But, I find it odd that you attribute the whining of WV coal miners to being like "lib leftists". WV was "liberal" when they had Senator Byrd pushing billions of Federal dollars into the state. Now they vote for Trump. Sounds like they vote for who ever does the best snow job.
"Bottom line, if your job is going away LEARN something ELSE! Stop whining like a lib leftist and do it. LOL" You guys crack me up. You can sound like a leftist liberal and condemn them at the same time.
Trump said he is bringing jobs back, he is bring manufacturing back, he is bringing coal back, he is bringing steel back, he is bringing auto back.....
I think I missed the part where he said: " if your job is going away LEARN something ELSE!"
I thought: "Trump carried West Virginia because he stated that he would bring the jobs back and stop the Feds from shutting down mines."
You mean he really meant: "Automation is a fact of life in the manufacturing world"
And now it's OK not to bring those jobs and factories back but it's OK that "I'd still rather have as many jobs here as possible" even though we don't have the skills to get those jobs, you know, the new jobs not the ones you get if you bring the factories back. You know, the jobs that "We hired 3 engineers in the past year at my company. They're all Indians."
"Americans need to wake up, because other countries are ahead of us." So let's mine some coal and forge some steel. That will get us ahead!!!!!
"My eyes are gettin' weary,
My back is gettin' tight,
I'm sittin' here in traffic,
On the Queensborough bridge tonight"
I agree that those left behind need to get an education and or trade skills to be gainfully employed. Not all people facing these difficulties are lazy but they do need to get moving.
As I said earlier lets wait and see what Trump doses and who benefits. For the record I am not a liberal but a registered moderate republican who is hoping Trump will take the high road and be the best president he can be. We all lose if he fails to deliver on some of his promises. Setting up unrealistic expectations will cause a great deal of harm. Focusing on the wall and complaining about the election will waste everyone's time. We know Mexico will never agree to pay for the wall short of war or increased taxes at the border that will drive up prices. To date most state secretaries have confirmed there was no voter fraud period and that is a fact. It is worth noting that most secretaries of state are republican.
Hey SD:
I didn't say voter fraud was "owned" by one side or the other, just that it has been proven, and it HAS. If Trump's investigation exposes voter fraud on BOTH sides, great. The TRUTH is what we want to get at. Of course a voter ID law would largely prevent voter fraud. Unless the political parties then get into the "fake ID" business.
Some may see he's making progress. I say he's making enemies. Billions cited for the wall. My wallet is lighter already. At this rate, he is going to build a wall around the whole nation. But every wall, like the government itself, has a crack. And sometimes a new wall with a crack is worse than no wall at all. And speaking of cracks, I believe that Mr. Trump has cracked.
So you're a soldier working that dangerous location known as Iraq and tonight on the news you hear Trump doubling down that he is taking Iraq's oil because we are in Iraq to help them after we invaded them all those many years ago on our human suffrage turned profit maker mission. Man, now everyone hates you.
The secure Fence Act of 2006 already secured 1.6 Billion (at least it's a start) for border "barrier" construction. I don't what the hell happened to that money, but Bush had it for 2 years and Obama for 8, and it's apparently gone.... good ol' govt, robbing Peter to pay Paul.
And besides- if taxpayers have to pay for Obamcare, then taxpayers have to pay for the wall. Tit for tat, I believe that's called....
"I didn't say voter fraud was "owned" by one side or the other, just that it has been proven, and it HAS."
Let's throw down. I say it hasn't and you told a Trump.
Trump's lawyers say no to fraud: http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attorneys-said-no-evidence-voter-fraud-2017-1
You can't prove voter fraud by saying since it isn't prosecuted it must exist.
Or since there are millions of false registrations, there must be voter fraud.
How can America be GREATE Again if our last election was based on voter fraud? Impeach Trump --- it was voter fraud.
Or, why not just let it go like you do for your hearthrob: Pootey, Pootey, Pootey. Just because Putin screwed with our voting process, you say the tampered vote was still good because Trumputin's efforts were ineffective because you can't quantify the effect even though there was one. I say even with false registrations, the vote was still good even with Trumputon's malfeasance.
Why are we going further into deficit and debt to China just to assess non-existent voter fraud in order NOT to change the fraudulent election results if we do find voter fraud to be there?
Will finding Trump is more elected Make America Great Again? Or will finding he does not deserve to be President Make American Great Again?
What is wrong with this guy.
SD, I was being sarcastic to those who are upset about the loss of coal jobs. But in the same breath they want jobs in coal to stay, which I thought they were right leaning, they want the libtards to stop whining. Can't have it both ways. Not sure what you meant but I hope this clarifies what I meant.
You mean he really meant: "Automation is a fact of life in the manufacturing world"
I was responding to two issues that Jono brought up: automation and coal mining
The fact that you have to constantly conflate responses from one topic (and then attribute them to a third person altogether) to make your "point" on the other topic shows how weak your position actually is... that is if you do have a point when you're not too busy making dick jokes in other threads.
"How can America be GREATE Again if our last election was based on voter fraud? Impeach Trump --- it was voter fraud. "
LOL they tried that, remember? Jill Stein's recounts? Psst... Trump still won :)
"In fact, Stein’s greatest service may have been to validate the Wisconsin results ― and thus demonstrate that voting irregularities did not tip the election in Donald Trump’s favor. Wisconsin completed a 10-day recount financed by the Stein campaign on Monday, resulting in an increase in Trump’s lead over Hillary Clinton from 22,617 to 22,748 votes."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jill-stein-election-recount_us_58507032e4b092f08685ff68
YOU. GET. NOTHING! Good day, sir! ROFL
Looking forward to Trump's reaction on this gem.
Quote of the day by CA Lib Dianne Feinstein . . .
Dianne Feinstein:
"All vets are mentally ill in some way and government should prevent them from owning firearms."
Yep, - she really said it on Thursday in a meeting in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee. . . . And the quote below from the LA Times is priceless. Sometimes even the L.A. Times gets it right.
Kurt Nimmo: "Senator Feinstein insults all U.S. Veterans as she flails about in a vain attempt to save her anti-firearms bill."
Quote of the Day from the Los Angeles Times:
"Frankly, I don't know what it is about California, but we seem to have a strange urge to elect really obnoxious women to high office. I'm not bragging, you understand, but no other state, including Maine, even comes close. When it comes to sending left-wing dingbats to Washington, we're Number One. There's no getting around the fact that the last time anyone saw the likes of Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, Maxine Waters, and Nancy Pelosi, they were stirring a cauldron when the curtain went up on 'Macbeth '. The four of them are like jackasses who happen to possess the gift of blab. You don't know if you should condemn them for their stupidity or simply marvel at their ability to form words."
Columnist Burt Prelutsky, Los Angeles Times
Voter fraud:
When Obama won, the right cried "voter fraud!"
When Trump won, the left cried "voter fraud!"
So.. both sides AGREE there IS voter fraud, and apparently that said voter fraud can change election outcomes.
Since we AGREE on that, let's move on...
The right has wanted voter ID laws for years.
The left.... says "racist!" "Disenfranchisement!"
When Trump wins, the left screams "recount!"
When the left LOSES AGAIN (the recount), and Trump proposes an investigation into voter fraud, the left protests....
Hmm.... what's wrong with this picture?
President Trump on Wednesday:
"You have people registered in two states. They're registered in a New York and a New jersey. They vote twice."
"There are millions of votes, in my opinion. Of those votes cast, none of them come to me. None of them come to me."
I'm pretty sure I'm still registered in NJ... Missed my chance to vote twice!
I don't know how you "un-register" when you move out of state - other than it happening automatically after a few years of no activity.
"Hmm.... what's wrong with this picture?"
What's wrong with this picture is that the writer of this post made up the part about the left (of which I am not one) crying voter fraud.
I'd say neither side, other than fringe elements, are crying voter fraud - well ,except Mr. Trump, of course.
The LA Times quote is true,though.
https://republicmainstreet.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/burt-prelutsky-of-la-times-on-california-women-politicians/
“Frankly, I don’t know what it is about California , but we seem to have a strange urge to elect really obnoxious women to high office. I’m not bragging, you understand, but no other state, including Maine, even comes close. When it comes to sending left-wing dingbats to Washington, we’re number one. There’s no getting around the fact that the last time anyone saw the likes of Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, and Nancy Pelosi, they were stirring a cauldron when the curtain went up on ‘Macbeth’. The three of them are like jackasses who happen to possess the gift of blab. You don’t know if you should condemn them for their stupidity or simply marvel at their ability to form words.”
If is was a joke....
Do you think Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, and Nancy Pelosi were laughing?
Prelutsky's quote was spot on!
I wonder if they'll all take to Twitter and threaten him with lawsuits....nah, nobody could be that thin-skinned.
in re unregistering - NC set Warren County Board of elections a letter (NC state law). I am certain DMV notifies them when you surrender your license to get one in another state - I think that was part of the Motor Voter initiatives
That quote is from 7 years ago.
I don't think it was a joke as Prelutsky is a conservative writer.
"What's wrong with this picture is that the writer of this post made up the part about the left (of which I am not one) crying voter fraud."
You're absolutely right: they cried "popular vote! Ban the electoral college!" LOL
(altho the rest of that post still stands)
Which also would make the left very ignorant on the subject of voter fraud...
"To our friends on the left, old-fashioned voter fraud—the kind that involves tampering with absentee ballots and buying votes—remains impossible, and efforts to secure against it are merely smoke screens for voter disenfranchisement.
But they are sorely mistaken, and The Heritage Foundation’s “Does Your Vote Count?” project has the data to prove it. This week, we have added 18 new cases of proven election fraud to our voter fraud database. For those keeping track, that’s 742 DOCUMENTED CRIMINAL CONVICTIONS for all manner of election fraud—and this is likely the veritable tip of the iceberg."
http://www.libertyheadlines.com/lefts-selective-outrage-alleged-voter-fraud/
I, for one, can only imagine why ANYONE would be against investigating and eliminating voter fraud... regardless of who's "side" you're on. (Of course, everyone knows why SOME don't want to eliminate voter fraud... because they want to use it as a tool to sway elections.)
The Republicans have won the last 5 Presidential elections in West Virginia by a wide margin. Robert Byrd was able to bring large amounts of federal funds to the state. He was pro life, against affirmative action and anti gay marriage, hardly main stream democratic points of view. Most Democrats in WV are probably more conservative than some in the Republican Party. Joe Manchin the Senator is a classic example.
Trump has a little less than two years to produce. In November 2018 every House seat, 33 Senate seats and 39 Governors are up for election. He has already alienated the Intelligence Community, several allied Heads of State, women, the LGBT community, environmentalists and immigrants. If he fails to produce, he will alienate his own base and find a far different Congress to deal with.
4catmom I wouldn't be surprised if Trump kills off Brown and Black people with neck and face tattoos...
We could only hope his poor decisions will result in a new Congress. The ship is heading toward the iceberg and everyone on board is turning a blind eye.
President Trump says that he is committed to exterminating the "sick and demented"
radical Islamic terrorists. Anyone got a problem with that?
Lovely how we keep on separating ourselves and vehemently arguing over something that we've no control of.....
More irony & hypocrisy...
(no, of course Carlin didn't say it, but he totally could have... he was WAY smarter about politics and society than most give him credit for)
Where was your separation anxiety over the past 8 years? It's like the "just say no" crowd is awakening to the fact that they have been total db's for the last 8 years.
No problem if someone who is qualified to evaluate does it.....otherwise we're on a fast train back to nazi Germany....but could, the way he's talking, be a way to get rid of anyone whose looks or accent he dislikes....deplorable
"be a way to get rid of anyone whose looks or accent he dislikes"
Thank you for finally agreeing with us about our objections to the terrorist watch list as applied to some other group...
Day 7: Signed some more executive orders, memorandums, not sure the difference, I just like giving autographs….everybody wants my autograph.
Told Mexico we were thinking 20% tariff for Mexico wall payment so we can charge Americans 20% more for goods made in Mexico. Hey, that’s a deal. We were talking 35% so we gave Mexico almost a 50% discount. They’re gonna grab that deal. Wait, whatya mean they said no. But America hasn't even figured out that the joke's on them yet....
Working on a little kill ISIS draft. I told everyone that “ours is harder because the people we’re going against they don’t wear uniforms. They’re sneaky, dirty rats and they blow people up in a shopping center and they blow people up in a church.” We’ll fix that. We’ll stay way high in the sky and drop stuff on anyone without a uniform. Cool. Mission accomplished. Next.
Ah, the other terrorist war front. Launched Bannon media blitzkrieg, you know, what we call “the opposition party” in our “running war” on terrorism. “The media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while,” said Bannon who actually plagiarized that from the media accounts of Trump's administration.
And then there’s that wide spread massive voter fraud. I mean there’s millions of fraud but I still won legitimately. I mean lots of Americans are fraudulently voting but only in a good way. Putin screwed with the election but only in a good way. So let’s keep it in house and just go after the Americans. Pooty, pooty, pooty. Gotta stay on top of this one. The voting fraud I mean… Pooty always tops Trumpy.]
Speaking of fraud, called National Parks Director Saturday and demanded a more flattering inauguration picture. Like one with people in it this time. Haven't got it yet by Day 5. I told the opposition party “it’s a lie” “We caught (those press guys). We caught them in a beauty." “It looked like a million, a million and a half people,” I think I even saw Muslims cheering. Now if only I could find some supporting facts…
Gotta scoot. Have some English bimbo here wanting to talk deal. Not grab-able though. Gotta get Yulia Tymoshenko, the prime minister of Ukraine, over here. She's a hottie worth grabbing. Gotta ask Pooty for permission on that one....
"Trump has a little less than two years to produce. In November 2018 every House seat, 33 Senate seats and 39 Governors are up for election."
Yup. And THESE "polls" are the only ones that matter.
If George Carlin were alive today, no doubt Trump would have described him as "talentless" and "terrible" about 100 times already.... I can only imagine the comedic gold that Carlin would have unleashed on him.
Impeach Trump. The inhumanity is one thing, but I just heard he is keeping dogs in a kennel outside the White House during the winter. What's worse is he tweeted that he will use hay instead of straw.
Its only been a few days. Enough is enough. We must march!!!!!
JR, l wouldn't presume to know what words the great George Carlin would have said on the subject. It's really lame to even use that meme.
Joe Friday 
"so we can charge Americans 20% more for goods made in Mexico."
Which would be their *choice* to buy. Nobody has to purchase a Dodge.
"Like one with people in it this time."
Oh you mean like reality...
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/
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