Trump 4th edition
skippy 
Strangerdanger GC, well I bet he didn't "intend too." So case closed. If that line of bs works for Hillary it should work for everyone.
Ollie Clever leaving the previous thread with 666 posts, quite appropriate given the "choices" we have ;-)
justintime Ollie - You keep on believing that somehow makes one of them better all you want then. As for intent, did you read the complaint filed about foreign solicitations?? The whole basis is clear intent shown when Icelanders complained directly to the campaign so they knew it was illegal yet the Brexit specific email was drafted and sent afterwards. Even after all of that attention and complaints to the campaign, solicitations to other governments went out again including the day the complaint was filed.
GC I'm sorry GC, what good old Hillary did was also illegal. No it doesn't make either one of them any better. But you can't have a set of rules for one and not the other. Why no clear intent for her but for him?
I never said no clear intent for her, Ollie. But you did previously say "anyone but Hillary". That's saying one is absolutely better. Why no "anyone but Hillary or Trump"??
Don't want to lose this one and will spare you the narrative (it's in the 3rd edition) but here's the litany of Trump scandals and the cases where he has been fined, settled for cash out of court, or both.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/donald-trump-scandals/474726/
As promised, here's the Trump Mafia connection, a sanitized version.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/02/ted-cruz/yes-donald-trump-has-been-linked-mob/
The NY stuff is pretty run of the mill as it can be, but the AC stuff gets more serious given the funny money exchanging hands for the property. Trump made a bad land deal in AC? Or was that something else? Probably something else.
By the time Trump begins overseas operations, he basically hires the Triad to run things for him in Asia and hires a top consultant who is Russian Mafia. More concerning as Trump lobbies for President and cozies up with Putin. For a man who lives to lines his pockets with gold, the ties and temptations seem much too much.
The Russian connection: "“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”
This connection is the scariest one as Russia represents a new market for Trump Enterprises. One can just see, Donald paving the political policy path, Eric sowing the business development seeds, and their Russian Mafia friends operationalizing the enterprise.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financial-ties-to-russia-and-his-unusual-flattery-of-vladimir-putin/2016/06/17/dbdcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html
And you thought Hillary's foreign involvements were scary. At least we can see hers and I have yet to hear the word Mafia or presents from Putin.
At this point it's a matter of electing the candidate who is least likely to go to prison. What a sad state of affairs.
MrSmith999 Yeah, one won the primary to escape indictment and the other needs the Presidency to escape fraud.
One who's worked in the private sector and created jobs and one who only created government jobs we the taxpayers pay for.
My personal choice is still Trump. Maybe for the only reason I couldn't stand four years of listening to nurse Ratchet and that horrible cackle of hers. Go lay an egg already.
Stop the boat. If the taxpayers didn't bail Trump out --- not once, not twice, not three times, but four times ----- I'm sorry ---- who's money created those jobs?
I'd rather hear the cackle that listen to how great carrot top is for four years.
"It's the Great Depression and let me tell you I know depressions. But it's OK. I am buying up foreclosures because I not only saw it coming, but I made it happen and I am so great, so rich, believe me it's true, it's all true....." Well, really, it's not me, it's Eric that's buying them up..... Got to keep it legal....
And why are there so many foreclosures? Because the dems thought everyone had the right to buy a house even though they had no means of paying for it. I believe it started with the nurse Ratchet's husband Bubba.
Eperot 
The Man Not quite the same movement I do believe. I'm pretty sure we had a robust economy then. Don't try and start with the comparing Regan to Obama and the Clintons. It's disrespectful to Ronald's memory.
I'm over this forum. #anyonebuthillary#nodeleterinchief
Peace out!!
Not to politicize a tragedy, but after today's events in Dallas I can't see why any police officer or white American could support anyone but Trump.
Trump demanded the killings of African-Americans must end, but focused on offering condolences to the police officers and supporting law enforcement. Meanwhile, Hillary briefly mentioned the police officers' deaths and focused on the two black men killed recently. Her campaign even said on Twitter that whites should listen better to blacks so cops aren't killed anymore. No joke.
The libertarians are anti-authority and thus anti-police so their sentiment only adds fuel to the raging anti-law enforcement fire,
1988LJ Ollie - There is no substituting spending beyond your means no matter what the economy is. It has nothing to do with comparisons, it's no disrespectful to be accurate about what happened.
#norevisionisthistory #hypocritical #alternateagendas
;-)
LVres 1988lj, totallY agree with you. All she does is pander to minorities. It doesn't matter who is killing who, she just wants there vote.
Forcefed4door 
iRun Libertarians are not anti-police; they are anti abuse of power and pro freedom - and if the NRA ran this country Hilary and her ilk would not flagrantly disregard the law polarize the people - in addition California would have been given back to Mexico years ago lol
This forum is as polarized as the country. Not surprised but HL is indeed a microcosm of the polarization.
HL is a right leaning microcosm of the polarization. Us leftist liberal socialist elitist atheist urban takers who want everything for free are outnumbered. ;)
"Us leftist liberal socialist elitist atheist urban takers who want everything for free are outnumbered"
Hardly. And it's not just you theftist-leftist folks causing major problems, the fightist-rightist folks have no qualms about using the unrestrained monetary system to take from the populace for the things they desire either ;-).
The common point there, in case you missed it, is "take", as in we are giving way too much authority to government agents with guns the ability to forcefully take the fruits of our efforts for things that some bureaucrat thinks is more important than us providing for ourselves.
The world is filled to the brim with people who think governments exist to give them everything they want or need. The answers to what ails us is in the mirror, and it starts with associating with a letter R or D.
Polarized? You bet, but I'll also bet no one cares to really address the reasons why.
I love adressing the real reason why because l have a great interest in human interaction, but there are many who won't because it takes some brutal honesty. It really comes down to tribalism. Humans really aren't great at getting along as history will show, and will find myriad ways to separate themselves from others intentionally, sticking with their camp of others who think like themselves. And it touches just about every conceivable part of our lives. Sports fanatics? They pick a team and believe they're the best and if someone tries to tell them differently? Arguments can arise...so can fights and yes, even murders. Over sports. And that's just one topical slice of the pie that makes us human. It's why white people generally stick with whites, blacks with blacks, rich with rich and on and on. We like to surround ourselves with "people like us" (a great social documentary if you can find it to watch). Heck, we divide outselves into Coke vs. Pepsi people, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see a fight break out over that, too. So why would politics be any different?
The trouble l see is that the tone has changed. Things have gotten so much less civil, so much uglier, and in part l blame the anonymity offered by our online lives. Just as an example: l was watching Obama's adress in Warsaw about the situation in Dallas that he made yesterday. What l saw in it was an expected speech extolling the virtues of the men and women in law enforcement, an expression of sadness and horror at the lives lost and an assertion that those guilty parties will be tried to the fullest extent of the law. And this was all delivered in a profoundly statesman-like manner...calmly, succinct, absolutely nothing to ruffle any feathers that l could see. Then l dragged down to look at the comments section and was horrified to see just how harsh the hatred of Obama is. Nearly every comment was a foul expression of the purest vitriol and hate l can imagine, dripping with acerbic consternation and proclamations the likes of which l cannot (and refuse to) repeat here. I was left totally at a loss. The volume has turned up so high and the self censoring so low in our discussions on everything that l am not sure we will ever see a return to a more civil union...meaning a uniting of all of us for the common good. Instead, we get "you don't like (fill in your topic)? Well then f@ck you and die". How do we adress anything at this level? How do we escape tribalism? I'm not sure we can. I think it's part of our nature.
Good points - I think the tribalism you describe is exacerbated by stress of the economy, were at war, we see riots and police involved shootings every day - as I mentioned before people are afraid - and when that happens we tribe up and get belligerent
Eperot, please take some solace in the fact that I find your recent posts to be extremely sensible and progressive and relatable. I hope others do too.
Tracy Not to mention the heat of summer Skippy. Ever notice how many countries that hover above the equator have polarized schisms between North and South? The US, Italy, etc. I blame the weather.
One thing is certain. If there was a robust economy, all of what we are going through would fade quickly. And therein lies a rub, a root cause if you will. That is, the underlying root cause is still there whether the economy is good or bad.
As to JIT's argument, that's one side of the polarized spectrum; there is the other side and both are correct ------ to a degree. And therein lies the second problem. We have stopped taking action even attempting to strike a middle chord between factions. I do not think this election will change that. Perhaps a rising economy will but there's much in the way of that too.
One thing I think JIT and I agree on, if we don't tighten our public belts a lot, this debt will make what we are going through, social experience wise, look like a picnic. We not only need to spend less, but the pressure to spend wisely and not wastefully is critical. That will not help us unify UNLESS we decide together to move forward together.
Perhaps we can start here in HL.
Meanwhile, and perhaps most important, what were you thinking Eperot. Did you have to say Pepsi? That's just over the line and below the belt. Trying to pick a fight now aren't you. Everyone knows ---- Coke rules. And you Diet Coke drinkers, we know you're just Pepsi-ers in camo. We're watching you.
+1 Eperot & Tracy. I would like think a lot of the HL readers are probably more moderate but find that it's not worth posting on here.
Bonv 
MB Well, Tracy, Bonv, MB, and even you, Skippy...I am humbled and thank you. I really do try to be a reasonable voice here, even though I am certain I fail at times.
"The trouble l see is that the tone has changed. Things have gotten so much less civil, so much uglier, and in part l blame the anonymity offered by our online lives."
I agree, but I think it goes deeper - much deeper. I've used the phrase "death by a thousand cuts" before, and I think it's a really good descriptor of the changing mindsets. What we have today, the differing viewpoints and opinions, have always been there. What's been changing is the intense desire for people to control others using the government. While I often over-exaggerate with phrases like "taxation is theft", it's because of a desire to communicate the trend of ever-increasing governmental control in our lives and the obvious negative affects that will stem from them.
You may disagree with some laws and agree with others, but the fact remains that nearly every subject of our human interactions will inevitably result in a desire to force (no, that's not an exaggeration because that's the essence of law) others conform to our personal views. That's what has been changing, and it has been manifesting itself in many different areas. But until more people see it and accept it for what it is, the current angst in society will NOT abate. The trends are pretty clear if one cares to look at them.
That's also why I keep saying that collectively WE are the problem, and until the collective mindset changes to allow for true tolerance we will forever deal with those wanting to bring harm to those who attempt to control them.
DannyC Btw eperot, IMO your posts are well thought out and considered without the excessive baggage that others tend to inject (myself included, trying to work on that lol).
"we will forever deal with those wanting to bring harm to those who attempt to control them."
Are there no other buckets to be put in? Are these the only choice?
SD +1000 on the heat could not agree more as a former first responder
Also as far as poster interaction - I think SD and epriot make a lot of good points and I definitely make it a point to let others know when we agree on stuff - I think a lot of the problem is that you can't tell someone's inflection from text on a screen - we are all very bright people who enjoy debate - in frustration our words are often cutting. I for one will make every attempt to stop personal attacks and try to keep the discourse to a scholarly level not a personal one.
There. You see how much better things are getting around here? Now let's all hold hands and share a coke.
:)
Well said, Skippy.
Thanks :) coke rules - how can I continue to enjoy putting holes in paper with my boomstick whilst minding my own business while keeping them away from others who mean harm - if you want to take this to 2A that's cool but I would like to see if a middle ground exists
Take what to 2A Skippy? I don't think l brought up guns. And much as l am all for gun control, it may surprise you to know that l too really enjoyed target shooting with .22's, and was a pretty good shot in my Boy Scout days.
I and others here just want to be sports folk and protect our family - I'm not calling you out per se just trying to throw down the olive branch and come to a common sense idea of compromise in our fishbowl- something the rest of the country cannot
We should close this post now. We've reached a truce and peacefully agree to disagree. The right to peacefully assemble behind our avatars. And I'll make my coke, zero please!
Yes, Coke Zero is a miracle of science. First there was Coke and it was good. Then their was Pepsi and soon The Great Depression. Yeah, it is that bad.
Coke knew what to do and in the early 40's Coke went to war opening serving 5 billion Cokes, each for a Nickle to our boys in the trenches from mobile plants operating just behind the front lines. At the beginning of the war, Coke was in 44 countries. At the end of the war, 108. Coke got Roosevelt (a Coke guy) to lift sugar rationing for the company. In Germany, the Coke man saved a mountain of sugar hiding it from the Nazis. A group of 150 coke employees joined the military with order to deliver the Coke to every soldier ---- for a Nickle, no matter the cost. They were known as the Inglorious Coketards.
Eisenhower drank Coke. Nixon like Pepsi. Bush brought Pepsi to China. Kennedy like Coke.
Guess who loves Coke......
Trump only drinks wine and bottle water. He's too rich for soda.
I bet Trump loves "Koch"... as in brothers. They will never complain about working conditions (like his employees) or have a need for social security. He just created a bunch of new jobs,.... in Scotland, where he just built a brand new golf club. I'm sure during one of his "I created new jobs" speeches, he conveniently omits Scotland.
sparksjbc1964 @sparks - he probably omits Scotland because the majority of Scots loathe the man ... http://mfi-miami.com/2013/04/the-scottish-hate-donald-trump/
Who the Scottish "like" or would vote for in the US elections is irrelevant...
Actually... isn't their own parliament still subservient to that of Great Britain (should they choose to exercise additional powers not already explicitly reserved)? So, who they vote for in Scottish elections can be somewhat irrelevant as well.
Mark Mc. Who they would vote for is not important but their experience with Richie Rich is interesting and par for the coarse.
Koch Bro's hate Trump to the point of alluding to voting for Hillary.
Meanwhile on the real coke front, while coke secured The Greatest Generation, the Pepsi Generation secured parts of the Navy in it's famous don't ask, don't tell campaign. And he can dance too.
Nikita Khrushchev liked Pepsi, Nixon liked Khrushchev.
Putin likes Pepsi, Trump idolizes Putin ----- he's so strong..... Wonder if he was ever in the Russian Navy?
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/coke-pepsi-politics/2014/02/10/id/551930/
Coke...it's the real thing.
Plus, if you watched Mad Men, you know Don Draper created the idea for the famous "buy the world a coke" campaign of the early '70's. And NO ONE is cooler than Don Draper.
We even politicize soda. lol. Have a coke and a smile but Sprite rules and its owned by coke!
Anyone who believes that Trump cares about them needs a wake up call. Especially the conservatives. Look at his history, he was a liberal most of his life.
Trump is a master of scams and screwing people over. His campaign is a scam and he's only doing it for his ego. He doesn't want to make America great again. He's a billionaire, America has been great to him and if you think he gives a hoot about you then I truly wish I knew how it felt to be that ignorant because it must be lovely. Trump is so dangerous to this country because he's normalizing hatred and tearing a rift between Amercans. Yes, Hillary isn't an angel, but at least she knows how to be a diplomat. Trump's ego is too big for that.
It's so sad that so many people in this little town support him.
Isaky12Kinda funny how soda is being politicized to relate to the two party political system. At first I was like "really? But the more I thought about it the more I see correlations.
As most here know I think R's and D's are on an especially destructively path, so I had sworn off of them and look third party candidates now. Also as of late I've stopped drinking soda - part of reducing my sugar intake - so no Coke or Pepsi for me.
Coincidentally, I feel more healthy, have lost weight, have more energy, get more accomplished, and generally feel so much better. So R's can have their Coke, D's can have their Pepsi, and the rest of us who want to be healthy can swear off of both ;-)
But wait, I drink Coke....and am a liberal...this just shattered my whole world view. :)
Actually I'm with JIT in that I severely reduced my soda intake a couple years ago. Now I allow myself one quality root beer once a week. Thank you, Shoprite, for carrying Hanks.
I'm a libertarian and like coke - most likely you have a liberal bent - as I am getting older I'm becoming more intolerant of sugar so stick to Coke Zero on occasion but mostly drink unsweetened beverages
This is the 4th edition. I'm fairly certain everything that could be said has been, and many times at that.
At least until the convention...
He's resting with family this weekend.
No doubt drinking Trump wine, eating Trump steaks, wearing Trump clothes.
All made by young children in China.
Meanwhile Hillary is also taking some time off in the Hamptons.
At least that's what she said.......
Would love to - just tried a Russian sweet potato vodka but it's not my drink of choice - now if you want to share some Kentucky bourbon we have the makings of a party
How about some Vodka from Russia? Want to reset and get wasted together? To me, the only place for Vodka is in a fresh tomato sauce with heavy cream, garlic, parsley, basil and herbs over penne.
"So R's can have their Coke, D's can have their Pepsi, and the rest of us who want to be healthy can swear off of both ;-)"
Man you just can't help but twist me off.... I said dissing coke is fighting words...
ITS D's like coke (except Eisenhower who was bought off during the war....) like Clinton, Kennedy, Carter, Obama and soon --- Clinton, and R's like P like Bush, Nixon, McCarthy (yech), Reagan. Of course young Bush was the hard stuff and they had taken the coke out of coke....
Lincoln was another Republican anomaly and he had the real thing. Explains the eyes.
Only have two words for you JIT ------ Coke Zero, no sugar takes like coke. Yeah, Coke actually figured out have to make no-calorie taste like calorie. Genius!!!
Avoid Diet Coke, tastes like Pepsi ----- we're watching you folks, we know what you really want.
You NRA-types (not you JIT) got nothing on us Cokers: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1891&dat=19810206&id=5J8fAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_9UEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3930,1069396&hl=en
That's right, Coke --- the entitlement drink. Coke used to charge a nickel a bottle. After the war and after we bought Eisenhower off, inflation finally took it's toll and coke couldn't hold the welfare price. The problem was the coke machines were tooled for the nickel. Eisenhower finally drew the line when coke requested a 7.5-cent nickel. Close though. With Clinton back in power, the SSOTUS (supreme soda) will remain coke. Coke forever. Next we will unveil our Cokial Cercurity plan with payroll deductions for free coke for those past 62 years of age.
skippy - Mmmmmm....Kentucky bourbon. Now that is American. Made from corn, goes with everything corn, especially slathered with clarified butter and spices on grilled corn, as well as a great gravy for a thick, tender porterhouse steak. But we must stop talking about food, and get back to Trump, right?
While the candidates are on vacation - here is some reading.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19aQ52y373f3e31E3NPTe6P4E3KLUY767KF2DPnWiFM0/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0
OFFICIAL CROOKED CLINTON CLAIM CHECK SHEET - Debunking the self claimed 112 reasons she should be president
TRUMPCARE
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231191
Trump's Medical Plan, by the numbers.
Gotta admit, even with his screwy left-wing rants, strangergoogle does have a pretty good sense of humor.
"strangergoogle does have a pretty good sense of humor"
Actually, with nonsensical ramblings like that I think he's got a pretty good supply of some other kind of coke.
From today's New York Times:
"For Whites Sensing Decline, Trump Has Words of Resistance
By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE 14 minutes ago
Breaching boundaries on discussions of race, Mr. Trump is voicing the bewilderment and anger of whites who do not feel powerful or privileged."
This may be more than anything what the Trump appeal is about. I'm not saying this critically. It's just part of how the world works.
jd2 "Actually, with nonsensical ramblings like that I think he's got a pretty good supply of some other kind of coke." And yet you read.... Must have just put another twist in your already overly knotted knickers.
I'm afraid you flatter yourself strangergoogle, er, googleman, er, whatever. You actually think anyone with a modicum of intelligence reads your nonsense past the first sentence? I don't think the sg is a cokehead, just a tired tired old old pothead still trying to live the 60's. He is funny though, must be when he's toking away with the good stuff.
Think Cynic is a bit disoriented... Difficulties in name recognition, can't remember what he has read, claims not to read but then says my stuff is funny ---- modicum of intelligence indeed.
I hate to burst your bubble, de-float your boat. Based on responses to thoughts well past my first sentence, you have accused many Lifers of not having a modicum of intelligence.
Thought of the day: I don't know what a Trump ticket looks like because Trump does not do plans. I do know what a Trump-Pence ticket sounds like: "a trivial sum; anything at all." And the definition goes downhill from there..... Might be the feminist's revenge.....
Meanwhile, "I like you Mikey, but you gotta kill those tweets: http://therightscoop.com/if-pence-is-trumps-vp-pick-he-better-delete-these-tweets-real-fast/
It only gets better.
I think the tightness of one's knot correlates with the length of their posts.
My knickers are quite comfortable.
better than if he picked Newt or Christie but not going to make people vote for him. People are voting for either Trump or Hillary or voting for one because they hate the other. Or they are not going to vote at all. VP pick is useless for this election. ( and most elections for that matter)
I predict we may see record low voter turnout. Way lower than in '08 and even '12. it's hard to get motivated by either candidate and i'm not even sure which the lessor of 2 evils is at this point lol
darwin We all know why some people have to publicly disdain the long post.
Small hands.
But it does take a real man to confirm he wears knickers in South Carolinia.
Especially since the millennials are to young to remember a Clinton White House and their parents had to send them out of the room during bills impeachment hearings. They are also entirely angry (and rightfully so) that Bernie didn't get the nomination - the latest pew pole said 59% of the country is beyond over this election - I expect low turn out - Hillary will win when the dead start voting in non voter ID states and we will go from there
kb2755 Ah, yes... small hands insults... the definitive proof of a master debater, er, I think I said that right.
Over $70 Million to catch a guy in a lie about a ...... Yet for $70M they couldn't make it stick.
And you worry about the children's sensibilities.....
But since you bring up Bill, can we start talking Ivana and marital rape charges? I can prove that for less than $10M. http://gawker.com/the-time-donald-trumps-ex-wife-accused-him-of-brutally-1721129617
it's not like Bill did not pay Gennifer Flowers 850k to go away.. Long before there was a Monica there was a Jim McDougal and Whitewater. Not long afterward, there was the Clinton pardons scandal.
In 2015, author Peter Schweizer published a meticulous investigation of the Clintons and that foundation. He called it Clinton Cash: The Untold Story of How and Why Foreign Governments and Businesses Helped Make Bill and Hillary Rich. In it he detailed “a pattern of financial transactions involving the Clintons that occurred contemporaneously with favorable U.S. policy decisions benefiting those providing the funds.”
https://www.amazon.com/Clinton-Cash-Foreign-Governments-Businesses/dp/0062369288
Schweizer noted questionable donations from such places as Colombia, Haiti, and Kazakhstan. The New York Times. London’s Daily Mail noted:
"The Times reported that Clinton Cash lists examples of the pattern including a free trade agreement in Colombia that benefited a donor with industrial interests there.
It also cites development projects in Haiti after their devastating 2010 earthquake, and a $1 million payment to Bill Clinton made by a Canadian shareholder in the Keystone XL oil pipeline while it was being discussed by State Department officials.
in her article “Stuck in Scandal Land,” published in the Wall Street Journal, Peggy Noonan nailed it:
"As long as she is in public life, Hillary will protect and serve herself.…"
http://www.wsj.com/articles/stuck-in-scandal-land-1425598263
Here Hillary insinuates a sixth grader brought a rape herself or was lying about it by calling her a fantasizer who seeks out older men.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.htm
llary finds raping a 12 year old to be so funny, she will cackle about how unreliable polygraphs are when she knows her client is a rapist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tor00iWUhDQl
Ivana certainly says nice things about Trump here
http://www.thewrap.com/ivana-trump-defends-ex-husbands-immigration-stance/
Trump:
never smeared 12 year old rape victims,
never defended a rapist he's married to
who has never got in bed with Saudi Arabia's donations
"On April 12, 1999, President William Jefferson Clinton became the first sitting president in United States history to be held in contempt of court. The contempt charge against President Clinton stemmed from a deposition he gave in connection with a 1994 Sexual Harassment lawsuit filed by Paula Jones. Jones v. Clinton, 858 F. Supp. 902 (E.D. Ark. 1994)."
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Contempt+of+Court
Gary Pence - VP pick. Little to Christian for my tastes but will have to see how this plays out
skippy - His name is Mike Pence. What about his other positions besides his Christian beliefs?
Sorry - was late - have not researched him enough to cast an opinion will follow up. Starting my research here
http://www.ontheissues.org/IN/Mike_Pence.htm
Looks like he did some great financial stuff for the state of Indiana as governor leaving them with a 2BB surplus - while cutting personal tax rates and corporate income taxes - got an A from Cato on fiscal management and spending . At first glance Pence appears extremely Pro-Life and anti LGBT rights - from what I am reading this may have been a move by Trump to assuage the über conservative Cruz camp - also polls reveal less than 24% of those asked had any idea who he is - I am in the 76% - I am interested in hearing from those more well versed
"it's not like Bill did not pay Gennifer Flowers 850k to go away.." You got an actual source on that. I see where JF made lots of money off the scandal....
I just loved your Hillary rape allegations. Of course the real story is a little different. If this was Trump you would probably say: "he was just being a good lawyer." Isn't that how you forgive all his shady business transactions, his partnerships with criminals, his hiring illegal aliens, his moving his factories over seas, and his four, count em four, bankruptcies?
Here's the story: http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
"As long as she is in public life, Hillary will protect and serve herself.…" And yet the Donald has a lifetime of caring and giving for others never thinking of himself. A completely uncharitable man, he is an close book when it comes to his lifestyle, his money, and his taxes....... Beyond your own frustration with the status quo and the Clintons, whatever makes you believe that once crowned President, the Donald will suddenly change? Whatever makes you believe he will live up to one statement, proposal or plan? Has he ever?
"Trump:
never smeared 12 year old rape victims,
never defended a rapist he's married to
who has never got in bed with Saudi Arabia's donations"
Trump has been accused of rape by his wife, now he's accused of raping a 13-year old four times http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html Another earlier case was dropped but the victim still alleges she was raped.
Now when it comes to molestations, Trump has a long history there especially with the Pageants. Frankly he has spent a good part of his life as a hedonist in fear if contracting HIV. Basically his scandals make the Clintons look prudish: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3578088/Dark-tales-molesting-beauty-queens-raping-ex-wife-Claims-racism-cosying-mafia-gets-closer-White-House-TRUMP-stripped-bare.html
Don't always agree with Pence outside of finance and the economy, but hard to fault the guy except for hating Trump, disapproving of his plans and platforms, and then getting on the band wagon.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/12/30/a-guide-to-the-allegations-of-bill-clintons-womanizing/
Source on paula jones settlement - will work on the rest later (it was Paula jones my error)
You have never heard me say anything about trump and his business transactions - as I have said previously I am not a trump fan but I am vehemently anti Hillary - I would vote for Gary Johnson if I did not believe it to be a wasted vote.
strangerdanger - "Don't always agree with Pence" When was the last time you posted an opinion on Pence? Most of what you have said recently is about sex scandals of both presidential candidates. Way off base, nothing to do with Pence.
It was the Royal you... :>)
"When was the last time you posted an opinion on Pence?" OK, stop the presses. Newsflash to DannyC. Yes, I do have opinions on things on things not in HackettstownLife. So even though I have not discoursed on Pence, I still have an opinion which I shared. As to what I have said recently having nothing to do with Pence ---- very good.
strangerdanger - That's it? IMO Pence is a brilliant choice for Trump VP, with strong foreign policy, anti-terrorism, fiscal responsibility, social values, governing experience, a pull for the heartland electorate, and the opposite of Trump in personality and style. WDYT?
He's VP, you got all the thought I can put into it.
Although we may be distant relations through my Irish side; we both hail from Sligo and have a Cawley bloodline like Pence. Our coming over was much earlier than his though.
He hasn't been charged with rape yet which makes him unusual for either ticket at this point. But he has enough funding and social issues to make him fit right in.
At first I didn't think pence was the right choice, but after hearing him speak he is great vp material. I believe the ticket will be unstoppable. Although trump alone would still stomp the Clinton machine.
Libs have a hard time sleeping this weekend because they know Pence is one step closer to a winning ticket for the good guys !! One more attack on American soil in the next 4 months and this thing will be in the bag.
Jonesy - God forbid, but if there ever was an opportunity for an attack on American soil, it is this week in Cleveland. Many sources say that paid "protesters" are being bussed in today, some offered extra pay if they get arrested. Hoping for minimal incidents.
Rapist Trump is in the news again, this time delivered a long-winded tirade and, oh yeah, a two-second Pence introduction: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/17/us/politics/mike-pence-donald-trump.html?_r=0
Being a firm believer in campaign finance reform and self-financing his own campaign with only $70M in donations so far (think he paid his loan off to himself, with interest, yet?), including new donations from Trump Super Pacs, he apparently left out the part about Pence using campaign donations to pay off his mortgage (like Trump paying his loan off to himself...), his credit card bill, some groceries, his golfing fees and a car loan for his wife. Now this activity was not illegal at the time but egregious enough to cause some campaign finance reform. An unapologetic need-for-campaign-finance reform post child, Pence responded: “I’m not embarrassed that I need to make a living.”
Missed in all this was Trump's new erotic logo..... http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-vp-pick-mike-spence-logo-225612
He's going with the Trump-Pence sound, sounds like Tuppence to me and, like I said, I will let you look up the street-slang definition :>)
Sd your problem is all you read from are the most left leaning liberal crap sites, News networks, and newspapers. Try finding a decent conservative site to do some research at, maybe you'll see the light at the end of tunnel. There not as easy to find in a search result though when you look something up because all the search engines are left leaning and bias. But, if you try hard enough you can find a few decent places to get your info from.
Is no one else the least bit concerned about what might happen this week in Cleveland?
Yes, I am worried, considering what just happened in Baton Rouge, with 3 more cops murdered/
"Try finding a decent conservative site" - so find something equally as wrong? That's part of the whole two party insanity to begin with. Two wrongs make us all dead.
As for Pence, he may be a pick that will help Trump with Ohio and in the mid-west. But otherwise he's not so good for the rest of us. He seems to favor a theocracy, he wants religion, the Pledge of Allegiance, and The Patriot Act all seal in stone as Constitutional Amendments. At least he understands the need to make an amendment which Trump doesn't seem to know, but all of that time and effort on minutia while the economy tanks and the debt gets way bigger. He's extremely anti-election reform, its nicely paying his personal bills. He's not just for the 1%, it seems like the top .25%. Pence is a very status quo type just in the other direction. He's the polar opposite of Bernie, not Hillary. It may play well in Iowa and on Wall Street, but its pretty bad for Main Street.
Pence was an obvious choice among his short list. Christie is a disaster at home. I know I previously said the only person with worse baggage than Hillary is Trump. Well Gingrich has worse baggage than even Trump does. Worst of all is how the Apprentice Think Tank War Room came up with that short list.
Pence will definitely bring in the Koch brothers money as well as the evangelical core.
And the race to the bottom goes on - Trump's statement is disgusting and an insult. To call America a divided crime scene and predict that it will get worse - is not the statement of a leader or actually one of a person that wants the best for America. He thrives on this kind of negativity and divisiveness.
Bonv, Obama created the who divisive mess we have now. Trump is telling you how it is. People are in denial.
It's not denial in viewing America as something other than a bloody crime scene. There are issues now as there have been in the past but the difference is that you have a POTUS candidate that only sees us as divided fragments of society and enjoys dividing citizens even further. Classic divide and conquer mentality.
Ollie - of coarse it will get worse because that is what thriving on divisiveness gets you and because the right (and extreme left) are so entrenched in their sides that nothing helpful is being proposed let alone done.
It will get worse because both party's in power, supported by the citizenry, truly believe they not only have the right but a duty to impose their world views onto their neighbors.
I can remember when tolerance of different views was accepted. Today, not so much...
While introducing Pence it was nice to hear that he still states that the Iraq war was a mistake. Probably the only think of late that I like from him...
iJay Who still thinks Iraq war was a mistake? Trump, Pence, or HRC? Oh wait, Pence doesn't think it was a mistake, Trump does and hates Hillary for it as a sign of poor character, judgement, gender, whatever, Forgives Mike because it was a long, long, time ago and he's a guy.
"But, as NBC News pointed out in a fact-check after the GOP pair announced their partnership on Saturday, Indiana Gov. Pence was a strong supporter of the Iraq War, going so far as to co-sponsor and vote in favor of a bill authorizing the conflict when he was a House representative from Indiana. He also opposed measures to set a timeline to withdraw troops, NBC News reported.
But, according to a transcript of Stahl's interview with the pair, Trump told CBS, "I don't care," when asked about Pence's support for the war.
When pressed by Stahl on the issue, Trump added, "It's a long time ago. And he voted that way and they were also misled," apparently alluding to bad intelligence employed by the U.S. government to push for an attack on Iraq.
Stahl said, "Yeah, but you've used that vote of Hillary's that was the same as Governor Pence as the example of her bad judgment."
Trump responded that, while Pence was "entitled to make a mistake every once in a while," Clinton was not."
Probably a leftist paper misquoting the Duck. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/17/
Tuppence for President.
GOTTA love Borowitz: http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/furious-christie-refuses-to-pick-up-trumps-dry-cleaning/amp#
4catmom His wife plagiarized Michele Obama speech. She sounds stupid when she talks and isn't very good looking. TOO
much makeup.
Really, now we have to criticize spouses' looks? And make fun of a foreign accent? As for the speech, the writers were stupid. Copying Michelle Obama's speech got someone a "you're fired" last night. Unless the wife copied it. But the hired hands should have picked up on it. I hope the press let's it go now. Overkill already.
maja2 Is this an original?
"Tuppence for President."
either way it is childish and immature.
Typical liberal response. Personal attack. She outshined Michele Obama that's what annoys you.
If the speech was plagiarized then I would expect for it to stay in the news. If the other party had done this, the outrage and Fox "news" coverage would be 24/7, nonstop and ruthless. Either way if true - it was a pretty dumb thing to have done but not necessarily surprising.
tough opening day at the RNC.
Scott Baio, really? Antonio Sabato Jr really? A 92 year old Bob Dole, really? Angry Delegates not getting their roll call vote heard and a plagiarized speech from Mrs Trump. Can't wait to see what Day 2 brings!
"Scott Baio, really? Antonio Sabato Jr really?"
Hey, at least they didn't invite the parents of thugs (Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin) to speak like DNC is going to.
What's the topic? How to teach you kids to attack police officers and brew Purple Drank?
"Typical liberal response. Personal attack."
Yes, because we KNOW Trump and the Republicans would NEVER resort to personal attacks...HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
LOL eperot, seriously!
"“Look at that face!” “Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?!”"
trump on Carly. I guess he must be a typical Liberal making a personal attack like that.
The tolerate party who always says they have a" big tent" making fun of someone's accent . I have no problem with it. Keep it up!!
Darwin, did you watch? Thee were some very notable speakers. Way to pick and choose. Oh, and how dare a 92 year old former senator have the nerve to speak and a mother who lost her son by an illegal, or a mother who's son was killed in Bengazi, or a gold star mother, or a former NY mayor, or a Navy seal, or an African American police chief.
And I'd walk softly on the plagiarizing. I'm sure if you google it you'd find plenty of that on the lib side
I think Hillary is a little intimidated by Melania. this is partly why the hub bub about her speech. "Poor foot noting" was the excuse the president used when he got caught. And our fab VP got caught and thought there was nothing wrong with it. What's good the goose is good for the gander unless you are a beautiful conservative women who's husband is running for president.
I watched about 80% of the Monday's events. Having speakers from Hollywood made no sense to me. I just wished the event didn't run so late at night. When i turned on the TV this AM, all CNN & FOX talked about was Trump's wife, which is the part of the event I missed.
Larry M Darst The hub bub about the speech is because it was someone else's - full stop. That is unacceptable regardless of position and the hypocrisy stinks to high heaven. That's one of the many problems with Trump - bots.
I suppose this platform sounds good to some of you?? It scares the hell out of me.
http://nyti.ms/29KBRGZ
Excuse me, take a look at the president and v.p. in your own party - full stop.
The media continues to talk about her because then they don't have to discuss what was in the other speeches. That's the one of the many problems with the msm- bots
Ah, our first lady vannabee with a difference....
Ollie speaks the truth, lots of plagiarism in politics. Took Biden out of the race in 1988.
The thing with Melania is, just before the speech was given she said: "I wrote it with as little help as possible." Ouch. Michelle begs to differ.
Later the Trump team talked about a huge writing team.
So there we have it. She did it, she owns it. Or she lied. Trump denies it happened. Trump's campaign manager said: "This is once again an example of when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, she seeks out to demean her and take her down. It's not going to work." Whaaaaaaat???? Where'd that come from.
The interesting part is no one got fired.
Now it's clear she either plagiarized, lied about writing the speech or both. It's getting pretty clear that Trump does not hire the great talents he has bragged about as one of his amazing skills since this is a pretty bush-league mistake. I mean ---- there's even software to check that... But the real question is why is no one fired.....
Wanna bet one or more of the kids wrote it.
When asked about it, Melania said: Donald liked it; when I saw him I just had to ask, "is that a gun in your pocket or are you just vappy to see me." I did not plagiarize Michelle. I don't copy other people. "I just vant to be alone.”
Donald is getting his Cleveland Address ready using the same team. Early excerpts:
Fore score and seven foreign-born child-wives ago my racist father brought forth on this continent a new notion, freakin liberty, needing a wall, a million bucks for every kid to pull himself up by his bootstraps, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created more or less equal. Thank God for America and for being on the more side.
So, tonight, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself— nameless -- except for Mexicans, Muslims, Black Lives Matter, and Hillary. Most certainly unreasoning and totally unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to compromise on any issue. If I scare you enough, I am convinced that you will again give me that support that my lack of leadership craves in these critical days.
lol do all of you really believe that the speech was plagiarized? If I had a webcrawler I'm 100% certain - a full 100% - that many of the posts on this forum also reuse the same phrases and topic content, and if we used the same "reasoning" (if you can even call it that) shown above that must mean everyone here plagiarizes too!
How many phrases were similar? Three or four? Considering that the message being conveyed was very similar (not a bad message, either) how is it surprising that some of the same adjectives were used? Heck, I know I've used similar phrasing myself when discussing my role as a parent and wanting to pass down the wisdom I've gathered in my life.
What a completely ridiculous and moronic topic of contention! You people listen to what others say and regurgitate it without spending one iota to consider how ridiculous it sounds within the context of the event.
Think about it. This has got to be the craziest tangent during the craziest political election in our lifetimes. Wow.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/melania-trump-college-claims_us_578dd95ce4b0c53d5cfac0dc
Anyone care that her claims of graduating college are also lies? Maybe we can blame that on Hillary too.
Scared No, JIT. I just saw a side by side comparison on CNBC and sections of the speech were word...for...word.
On a different tangent, I think it's hilarious that Trump scores about 78% of the evangelical Christian vote even though Trump has been married 3 times and his current wife has posed nude in GQ. Awesome. Love the hypocrisy.
Ollie, that is exactly it. The media nitpicked the plagiarism bs in order to hide the amazing speeches that took place. Sheriff Joe, and Rudy Giuliani were absolutely phenomenal. And the media must hide them especially because they may interest some on the other side to actually vote with common sense.
"mother who lost her son by an illegal"
yeah because I'm sure if the DNC rolled out a Newtown victim's parent you wouldn't have your sh*t
Rudy was good, the Lone Survivor was great. .i missed the police chief . I could have done without Charles in Charge and Days of your Lives. Heck Clint talking to an empty chair was even more entertaining than those to hasbeens.
"many of the posts on this forum also reuse the same phrases and topic content" Gotta tell ya JIT, I am slightly more careful when not posting on an anonymous web site..... And even, just a tad mind you, more careful when addressing the entire freaking nation.
Perhaps you should pass on the webcrawler information to the Trump team. They could use your help.
As to was it plagiarism --- yes: http://www.vox.com/2016/7/19/12226902/melania-trump-plagiarism-spokesperson "is it surprising that some of the same adjectives were used?" adjectives ---- how about entire passages, ideas and even memories of growing up... Must have been a shared black experience :>) It's even more telling when you play the side-by-side comparisons. Spooky.
Important --- only as it applies to Trump, his hiring practices, his attention to detail and his ability to manage --- anything. If this is how he runs a campaign, how will he run the country --- with his children at the helm? Hiring unexperienced and unqualified talent for the jobs at hand? I mean it he can't get this one right, what one can he do right?
Is it true that tonight we're getting Making America Work again featuring a cavalcade of people needing jobs: Ralph Macchio talking about Hillary's part in Pat Morito's death followed by John McCain, nope --- Trump scratched that, Col. Eileen Collins, Ret., nope Pence scratched that --- really, Scott Walker -- staying ahead of his hey-you're-fired curve, Marco Rubio --- OMG hire me please, Ted Cruz --- Call my wife names, call my Dad Kennedy's assassinator, but give me a job -- please, Newt -- I haven't worked in decades Gingrich and Eric OMG-I-wrote-that-speech Trump
Time for reruns of The Walking Dead......although gets hard to tell at times.....
Ya gotta love this:
Trump's campaign said:
Melania Trump's "beautiful" speech "included fragments that reflected her own thinking"
Fragments!!
Ha-ha !!
lol
JIT - I understand entirely if you think using Michelle Obama's speech is being taken too far. But being in denial that it was Michelle's puts you in Christie's delusional world where balancing a budget means finding enough banks that will loan you the money you're over spending. Everything Trump does is super scrutinized, and somebody blew it. Ever see the movie 'Working Girl'?? Starting off by saying Milania had no help was a very poorly calculated moved. Afterwards, that became a really horrible move.
The speakers were mostly bad, some really bad. Bob Dole has aged really poorly and words from a failed candidate aren't going to help anyone. The crying histrionics are only for the party faithful who don't need any additional conversion.
Guiliani was the only successful guy last night. It's when you see people like him that you realize just how horrible the RNC field was.
By the way, I can't believe out of all the speakers no one mentioned Duck, Duck, Goose yet...
3wbdwnj GC. Don't be pickin on Bob Dole. At 92 and being through war's hell, he's going great. His SNL appearances made this staunch consetvative very personable to me. A Real American hero and national treasure l
Just wait till the DNC convention. I'm sure there will be a few SNL skits from that circus. Screeching Hillary in a fancy pant suit.
So it's not only Trump that has the thinnest skin but some of the Trump-bots have as thin skin.
At least Milanea didn't say "For the first time in my life I am proud to be an American".
JeffersonRepub Perhaps there are Ollie but the Trump-bots are out in force with the classic deflect, deny, attack mentality. Perhaps we'll see others next week, perhaps not.
"Time for reruns of The Walking Dead"
Nah, just tune in to HL and read about all the important stuff in life. Oh, wait - this is just like the walking dead, never mind ;-)
GC, just to be clear you are saying that the spouse of the Republican candidate for President found a speech of the wife of the current President, spoken when she was in the identical position as her, and thought "yeah, I think I'll use her speech"? How stupid do you think she is? Or those in her campaign for that matter? Oh, wait - never mind lol.
Kidding aside, I find it to be such an incredible stretch to think this was intentional that it honestly blows my mind. I mean, if I were to believe that people were really that stupid, and that my views of a society of intelligent people are so completely and utterly wrong (so many people couldn't possibly lack the ability to think clearly at all), then I might just have to convert to a Republican! Or a Democrat. Or a Demoplican. Or a Republicrat. ;-)
Whatever, my personality requires me to "keep the faith", because if I started thinking like the blue wolves who are fighting the red wolves (and vice versa), neither of whom ever cares to see the others point of view (while both are clearly willing to go for the jugular at a moment's notice, even over the silliest of silly things such as this), I would truly lose faith in mankind. Kinda makes me sad thinking of it that way...
Calico - can you please send over a copy of "Idiocracy", I think it's time for me to start making comparisons lol
Yes, and none of the Clinton-bots do that. I've heard enough of that from Hillary herself. It was the video, it was perfectly legal to use a private server that was located in my basement, and the good old "what difference does it make."
OMG, as if on cue, here comes the other side claiming that the current Godly Figure Head did the same thing as is being accused here. Will the Idiocracy ever end?!?!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-19/obama-administration-explains-its-own-plagiarism-was-merely-inspiration
Frankly, I think all of this is stupidity at it's worst. No, not just stupidity but idiocy as well. I mean, if you really think about it everyone here is crying foul about words that people are communicating to us AS PROPAGANDA FOR THEIR CAUSES. Shouldn't it be more important to look past the propaganda to what's real anyway? Of course I think so (even though I'm now classified as delusional - go figure), but I'm guessing based on the narrative that I'm in an ever shrinking (perhaps exponentially shrinking) minority. Oh well, whatcha gonna do...
Cram it liberals! You've destroyed this country, and now we're taking it back! Deal with it!
"Cram it liberals! You've destroyed this country, and now we're taking it back! "
Can you offer no meaningful point of view at all?
"Cram it liberals! You've destroyed this country, and now we're taking it back! "
"Can you offer no meaningful point of view at all?"
LOL seems pretty "meaningful" to me....
Here's a recap:
Melania's speech: Four score and seven years ago I had a dream. It was one small step for man and one giant leap for mankind and ask not what your country can do for you.....
I take off my clothes now no??
Trump JR was a game changer last night. Even Clinton news network couldn't help but give positive remarks. There scared, that's for sure. They just couldn't find a way to spin it into racism and all that blah blah crap they always do to everyone. Not even sure if they will be able to call it plagiarism...
"Guiliani was the only successful guy last night."
What was your problem with Marcus Luttrell?
"Guiliani" and "successful" in the same sentence? Is he still working 911 into every speech or something?
Trump Jr. accused of speech recycling. It's a family affair, it's a family affair.....
http://abcnews.go.com/US/donald-trump-jr-delivers-recycled-speech-line-rnc/story?id=40723185
This one is not plagiarism, it's just a lack of creativity and/or acknowledgment for the phrase you are claiming as your own.
Meanwhile Trump supporter David Duke has the answer about Melania's word theft: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/19/3800078/david-duke-jewish-sabotage/
Word has it the original professional speechwriters are claiming there was zero plagiarism from their first draft submitted.... the entire speech was different in the end --- http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288430-report-lifted-passages-of-melanias-speech-not-in
Rumor has it that while the kid's are responsible, Trump has found a willing scapegoat to be tossed under the short bus used for Trump campaign transport. This is an alternate theory, no sources available ---- probably maybe almost has a shred of truth somewhere in it :>)
And JR, your retort is just as l expected. Why is it l feel you never have anything to say of substance except pithy litte quips designed to irritate?
LOL just because a viewpoint doesn't agree with yours, O Great Eperot, does not make it "meaningless".
Tonight the Barron will address the crowd extorting Pokeman's Trump endorsement. He will also tell us some warm n fuzzy Daddy Donald stories in his speech entitled, "my Dad is a grand dad," followed by "yeah, I've got nude picks of Mom," followed by "I have no brothers or sisters but tons of siblings; Thanksgiving is really weird" and topped off with "I thought my brother was my father but turns out my father is his father --- they're all just Don to me."
"Why is it l feel you never have anything to say of substance except pithy litte quips designed to irritate?"
Ditto, couldn't have said it myself! Actually, I think I have said this before - you plagiarizer you! ;-)
This is what our society has become, everything is based on quipped "humor" that is meant more to denigrate than be funny. Quite interesting, too, that it's only funny in the context of the savage wolf whose emotional brain rules it's actions And man, are the wolf egos are out in force this election cycle!
I think that is a lot of how society is now - everything is a meme and a personal attack.
Funny seeing those loving the Master of the Sound Bite bemoan the meme. I mean, you're supporting a guy missing plans on most issues of national importance and less than ppt bullets on the scant ones he has ---- build a wall, deport all Mexicans, ban all Muslims....
Graffiti has been with us since before the Romans.
strangerdanger, as the political season picks up speed, it seems to be bringing out a very judgmental side of you. I suppose all the extreme leftists will start picking on the kid now. And if a young women chooses to be a model to earn a ton of money, clothes or not, I guess they are $hit forever and unworthy of a future of any kind? Unworthy to ever be a part of society, contributing or not? I'm surprised actually.
I am hoping for an America that makes political choices on their own by listening to candidates on the radio. Not by viewing ads by opponents, showing Hillary or Donald making weird faces. Not by being bombarded with lies that even a 13 yo could prove false by going to snopes.com. No rich lobby groups and businesses determining our leaders. Media, especially during a presidential election year, are now our enemy. Let's ignore them instead of posting and re-posting their slanted views (left &right)! Let's all focus on what the candidates want to do, and can realistically achieve.
would love to maja - unfortunately it is a hotly contested race and it has brought out the worst in a lot of us - my new friend epriot has encouraged me to remain academic and not attack people personally for their views.
Thanks jefferson republic, glad you get it! The progressives( libs) hate the truth! Ha!
Lol stranger danger....trying the emotional approach again. I keep saying it, it goes in one ear and out the other for you, but people supporting trump absolutly dispise Hilary. They overlook his flaws because Hilary is a criminal. If Hilary is elected and then found guilty, she will be impeached.....yet annother lieing Clinton, yet you over look that while pointing fingers at Trump supporters.
Darrin Darrin, the only thing l can't understand is that all these Trump people who hate Hillary so much because she's a liar and her husband too (for getting a BJ in the white house? Big deal...guy could be doing goats and as long as he's running the country well)...is that Trump lies constantly! He's caught all the time on it and yet there's this odd double standard among his fans where truth doesn't have to apply to him. What's up with that?
"Darrin, the only thing l can't understand is that all these Trump people who hate Hillary so much because she's a liar and her husband too (for getting a BJ in the white house? Big deal...guy could be doing goats and as long as he's running the country well)...is that Trump lies constantly! He's caught all the time on it and yet there's this odd double standard among his fans where truth doesn't have to apply to him. What's up with that?"
I actually agree with this, but you have to not be a hypocritical and apply the same question to all the liberals supporting Hillary. Especially after Benghazi and the classified emails scandal. "What's up with that?"
Once again, it's a choice between the lesser of 2 evils.
"If Hilary is elected and then found guilty, she will be impeached." Uh, news flash --- there is no case, never will be. And for what: not being hacked and not giving secrets to our enemies? Good luck with that. Comey said: “our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case.” Call for Christie, call for Christie...
Maja, you are right but Melania's plagiarism is just so darned funny. Almost as funny as Hillary being handed flowers on the tarmac and claiming she was in a hail of bullets. Melania's transgression was so stupid that it seems that it just had to be planned. No one could be this dumb unless they had another motive.
And as far as Trump's kids, Trump's the one giving Tiffany, Don Jr, Eric, front man status in the limelight. If you take to the spotlight, you have to handle the heat. I can't believe the GOP wants to hear: "I was born with a silver spoon, went to the best schools, have perfect skin and Dad made me Vice President in his company but I earned it, and let me tell you about your experience in America......."
Seems to me kids are fair game now and just waiting for The Barron to take the stage. (I swear I saw this kid in The Omen from New York......)
Meanwhile, the real thing about Melania stealing tidbits from Michelle is who, how, why, and what's next. Why hasn't the who and how come out. Don't they know. I said: "if you didn't know about this one, then what else don't you know" speaks directly to Trump's incompetence in hiring, managing and running a campaign. And you want him to run the world?
Next is the Cruz moment, well understood in advance, could have been avoided, but instead Trump decided to manage the chaos and basically orchestrate the assassination of Ted Cruz. Trump had the speech in advance, undoubtedly engineering the NY disruption, entered at the penultimate moment, stood lurking in the dark in the shadows and entered in a blaze of light at the perfect moment his New York delegation booed Cruz off the stage while Trump was greeted with "we want Trump" zealotry. Carefully planned, immaculately orchestrated, and perfectly staged. Cruz left in tatters. Nice. A meal best served cold. Presidential.
""if you knew about this one, then why would you crucify that man." For PR? A way of galvanizing the party by destroying the man?
So.... to your point. In the past, I have reviewed Trump's plans ad nausea:
- the useless wall (can you can boat) that could be accomplished better and cheaper with E-verify (and terrorists can just use Canada, no wall there).
- the Latino deportation that actually can be accomplished but will throw us in recession since even in NJ we cant replace the illegals we have here. Who's gonna mow your lawn much less pay sales tax and buy things with the lack-of-wages you pay them. No way are we importing thousands of workers from out of state to work at Shoprite as cart boys. Will need millions in CA, FL and TX to pick veges.
- the tax plan that immediately nets the Trump family $2.8B in inheritance relief. Not a bad pay day for not-self-financing your ascendancy to President.
- Banning Muslims, bringing back Bush-league torture and even more, killing families of terrorists, being more brutal than ISIS ---- not exactly a winning, much less American plan for success
I can go on but really there isn't much more in terms of plans. Education, Welfare, Jobs, Debt ---- not much there, no plans really --- just banners. Apparently Trump supporters just need some slogans, banners, hats, lots of hate messages, and careful chaos management (no such thing as bad PR) like last night's carefully planned assassination of Cruz to get behind this guy.
I have no problem with Darrin hating Hillary, distrusting her, thinking she's a huge liar. That's his opinion and fair enough. Also no problem defending her on the facts and laughing at the silly pictures.
Likewise for Trump.
But if he trots someone out as public support --- fair game. If he wants to go to the gutter, I was born there, no problem with that. Mud can be fun. So let's dance Don, I'm your Huckleberry.
Do you like the family portrait that Melania painted?
http://www.speciallifeentertainment.com/wikileaks-dispenses-23000-hillary-emails-marked-c-confidential-classified/
Looks like wiki leaks has 2300+ of her confidential emails. Now before you start - I am fully aware "C" does not stand for Classified, it stands for Confidential and is not "top secret"or any other classification. Confidential documents are like an employment application with a social security number on it. Classified materials will be marked with an "S" for secret or a "TS" for top secret.
"FBI Director James Comey on Thursday said it was not clear whether Hillary Clinton fully understood the government’s marking system for classified messages."
Smartest woman in the world ladies and gentlemen. Never been anybody more qualified to be president.
The sad part is SD is correct - it does not matter who she lied to. Doesn't matter how much evidence she destroyed. Doesn't matter if any voter fraud occurred or not. At the end of the day - Hillary got away with everything she needed to get away with. Hooray democracy. As long as my lizard wins, it doesn't matter if it ate all the others - and that's really sad.
What we should all be angry about - and nobody is mentioning is Clinton did this to avoid FOIA requests for her emails. Every one of her emails would have been discoverable and subject to FOIA requests during her time at state. She deprived the American people of information that they rightfully own - most transparent administration ever my foot.
Please resume the regularly scheduled programming of calling us racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, and completely delusional.
Eperot, good point, and i agree, but my point is how can one point out every single Trump flaw they can find, while overlooking anything to do with Hilary.....
I agree with JR
And l agree Darrin. Hillary definitely has flaws. I just don't think she is the criminal mastermind many think she is.
Say what you want about Trump, he's raised some very nice kids. They obviously love their father and respect him immensely. And I'm sure there are some on this forum that know that is not small feat.
I would love most anyone who made me Vice President, gave me millions, access to the rich and famous, and security for life. Not gonna spit in that pool.
The ex wives love, hate, and then love him again forever......right after the settlement.
Most who brougjt civil suit don't have anything bad to say either.....right after settlement too.
Might be a contractural thing.
They do seem like nice kids.
It's been a great convention to the dismay of many I am sure. No big riots, great speakers, great choice of VP. Let the dem's bring theirs on. And I hope they have no Hollywood types speaking.
I would like to give a shout out to our Mayor, Maria Digiovanni "WELCOME HOME" Thank you for calling into WRNJ everyday and giving us the scoop of the excitement at the NRC. Thank you for your support and representation of Hackettstown's Republican party. I do hope WRNJ will take the time to interview you about the event in the near future. I have been to many a conventions, they are long and can become very tiring. Nothing says a good night sleep as your own bed! So get some much needed rest (sleep), and hoping to hear your stories soon.
auntiel 
Joyful Just for Maja ---- Trump's healthcare plan. I will say this is one of Trump's most thought out plans; clearly he is listening to Republicans and co-opting their recommendations.
First, the problems needing a complete replacement of the ACA as well as adding other programs. According to Trump, the issue with the ACA: “has tragically but predictably resulted in runaway costs, websites that don’t work, greater rationing of care, higher premiums, less competition and fewer choices.”
Higher Premiums, Runaway Costs: Half-true at best, but some have seen increases, most have not: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/25/donald-trump/trump-obamacare-health-care-premiums-going-35-45-5/. Inside the numbers, many, especially new subscribers have seen deductibles rise faster than overall costs. Co-pays and Co-insurance have not risen as fast, often have fallen, making overall costs rise at a slower rate than before the ACA. There is an uptick expected but note this has been said for the past 8 years…. http://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/the-latest-health-spending-projections/
Websites that don’t work: yesterday’s news….
Greater rationing of care: quite the opposite, preventative care is at an all-time high. And, a mis-estimate by the ACA folks, it turns out the uninsured were actually sick…. Newly insured are using health care services, including deductibles, at a higher than anticipated pace. Obviously this puts health insurance higher price pressure on all of us, but so far…. FYI, another mis-estimate is that these folks are still using the ER driving deductible spending even higher. Old dogs, no new tricks. Hopefully these upticks will level out over time. But I don’t have a clue what Trump means about rationing. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-15/obamacares-actually-reducing-healthcare-rationing
Less Competition and Fewer Choices: again, not a clue what Trump means.
Remove $11B that illegals cost us in healthcare: Think this is just over $4B per year currently, but still wrong.
Even though Trump’s failure claims are not entirely true, let’s focus on the solutions. Most of these are bogus, but there’s a few I like. IMO, it appears that Trump has listened to Republicans on this one though --- that’s a first and a good idea.
Repeal the ACA – go back to the days that you didn’t have to purchase insurance. IMHO this is not a step for progress, better health care, or lower costs.
Sell insurance across state lines as long as it complies with state laws. This one is flawed on so many levels. First, most corporations are already exempt – their programs, by law, are national. Second, to make this happen you basically have to nationalize insurance regulations ending state control. If we opt for the NJ regulations, costs go up, if we opt for TX regulations, price and coverage go down. But it is a nationalized program determined by…big government ending state’s rights to regulate. Third, one of the main reasons insurance is lower in some places, higher in others is demographics and COL – younger population, lower prices; lower COL, lower doctor prices, lower insurance. With nationalized regulations and prices, all of these advantages would be averaged in across the country. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/upshot/the-problem-with-gop-plans-to-sell-health-insurance-across-state-lines.html?_r=0
Allow insurance tax deductions and provide Medicaid to anyone who can’t afford healthcare: OK, sounds like a nice bit of socialism but seems like a huge tax increase to cover the costs.
Make HAS accounts tax free, allowed to accumulate, and passed to heirs: Again, this bit of socialism is a tax increase in the manner that we all have to cover these costs somewhere but of all Trump’s ideas, I like this one the best in that it simplifies some of the onerous rules surrounding HSAs and might make them more attractive for Americans to use.
Require price transparency: can’t argue with that one.
Block-grant Medicaid to the States: Certainly not Trump’s idea, this one is interesting with a lot of risk and reward. Risk is state’s shorting coverage, the Fed not automatically stepping in to cover shortfalls, and/or the Fed mandating a minimum level of coverage essentially turning the state’s into administrators which might be a cost advantage, might not. But an interesting idea: http://khn.org/news/block-grants-medicaid-faq/
Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers: I am a supporter of allowing drug imports into the US given safety regulations are met.
After his actual proposal, Trump adds a few asides including: To reduce enrollment in CHIP and Medicaid, bring jobs back to America. OK doky… Improve mental healthcare with promising reforms in Congress. OK doky. Have a President with leadership skills: OK doky.
My decision was solidified last night. I know the way I want this Country to go and it's not the way of the past 8 years.
justwondering An analysis from today's New York Times starts like this:
A Vision for the U.S. Summed Up in Two Words: ‘I Alone’
By MICHAEL BARBARO
In the most consequential speech of his life, Mr. Trump conjured up chaos and promised overnight solutions, casting himself as an almost messianic figure prepared to rescue the country.
I find "I alone" kind of scary.
I honestly think candidates on both sides have 0 clue of what that job is till they get there - they all have grand plans till they show you roger the aliens ....
Who needs the talking head analysts on TV? We've got strangerdanger.
Appreciate you taking the time to give us that (:
Andy Loigu After that speech, I pulled my blanket up over my head and may never leave the bedroom again. Trump told me that my very way of life has been threatened.
Too much crime, too many murders, police under fire and can't control it.
Cities in flames and no rock n roll.
I sit and watch "recent images of violence in our streets and the chaos in our communities. Many have witnessed this violence personally, some have even been its victims."
Millions of illegals coming to steal my cheese and rape my cat. One killed a girl in Nebraska and he was from Honduras so I know we need that wall.
And if they don't get me, the Muslims will. Especially the American-born Muslims so we need to ban them from coming into the country to stop that.
Even though I am making more money, Trump told me my income is down, I couldn't get work in a coal mine or steel mill if I wanted to. But soon Trump will fix all that with millions of good jobs mowing lawns and picking vegetables.
I live in a third world of roads, bridges and airports, it's Biafra out there and I can't even get the food stamps that everyone else has.
Internationally I am humiliated, foreigners are walking all over me. Sailors are kneeling just before they are released unharmed. I saw that again just this week on The Last Ship.
Before Hillary, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iran and Iraq were cool, now they are uncool. Iran, for example has totally given up on the atom bomb and is now closer to nuclear war than ever. Syria used to be in civil war and now is in civil war. And Iraq was most excellent under Saddam and now is not. And don't forget the emails.
Trump said my first solution is to be un-politically correct so (fill in the blank). Please, please, vote for Trump so I can leave my bedroom again.
Very funny strangerdanger.
Ultimately his reality show style and words resonate positively with some people and resonate negatively with many others. The failure to truly address the issues and plans for the future was very telling.
To me the funniest part of the convention was watching the liberal media talking heads give their spin. You would think Hitler rose from the grave and gave the speech, and we should all join SD and hide under the covers. Not a Trump fan, but if you don't think the world beyond our borders has become a lot more dangerous since 2009 your just not paying attention. Again if you don't think the police are under fire your not paying attention. How many police have been assassinated in the last 2 years, not killed in the line of duty, Assassinated for wearing their uniform! That is something I have never seen in my lifetime. There is a reason people feel less safe, and it's a legacy of the current administration.
Denis Let's not let actual facts get in the way of fear-mongering. Violent crime in the U.S. declined by more than 16% from 2004 to 2014, according to FBI data. The murder rate in the USA is lower now, than at any time in the last 50 years. The last president with a murder rate close to the current 4.5 was JFK with 4.6.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html
From the director of the FBI "“I don’t know what the answer is, but holy cow, do we have a problem,” Comey said."
We have a problem.’ Homicides are up again this year in more than two dozen major U.S. cities.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/14/we-have-a-problem-homicides-are-up-again-this-year-in-more-than-two-dozen-major-u-s-cities/?utm_term=.20a006e36486
Lets not let the 2016 trend, and the assassination of Police officers be a cause for concern.
Vote Democrate and welcome the world into our backyards. No background check (how can we know who or where they are coming from.) Works for Germany huh.
lol, pay attention to the trends you almighty Republicrats!
You're causing all the turmoil in the world and absolutely refuse to accept that our collective actions have led us here, never mind taking responsibility for it.
You libs are so intent on destroying the middle class that the blinders must be not just covering your eyes but compressing your eyeballs into your eye sockets.
You repubs just want to blow everything up and think using force is the answer. Not turning out too well it seems.
If we don't collectively look in the mirror and accept that our choices are a huge part of the problem then we are exactly where we should be.
I've joked in the past about voting for Trump just because I love seeing both partys squirm, but now I think I'll vote for him just to accelerate the damage that all of you have done to us. Thanks a lot!
People better check their equipment...
All those guns at the RNC, and nobody was shot. The guns must have been broken or something.
Trump got a $150,000 9/11 small business recovery grant because it was legal.
Shameful.
ianimal 
Philliesman "Trump got a $150,000 9/11 small business recovery grant because it was legal."
And you got a free set of tires. So what?
No, I used cash for clunkers to trade in a 12-mpg Suv for a 50 mpg hybrid to help lower our foreign oil demand and help lower emissions. And yes, I recycled the new tires so they wouldn't be trashed or sold on the black market. I fit the prohram parameters and fufilled the vision of the program to dramatically lower my energy profile.
Trump had no buildings affected by 9/11.
The key phrase you used was "because it was legal".
All those programs you took advantage of - programs paid for by your neighbors - were just carrots *legally* tied to the end of sticks. But they were the epitome of redistribution, aka "legal" theft. You sir did exactly what you are complaining that Trump did. But since you have this misconception that you were "helping" the economy you honestly believe your actions are just peachy while Mr. Trump was just being greedy. Keep telling yourself that brother.
I know I say it constantly, any you ignore it constantly, but if we truly want to fix our broken society it has to be done through making our money legitimate. Case in point, this morning I came across another person who seems to be finally getting it:
http://bonnerandpartners.com/how-the-dollar-destroyed-the-middle-class/
The answer lies in honest money, restrained by something - anything really. Yet what do we hear in the news all the time? $15 minimum wage band aids and constant monetary inflation obviously ain't cutting it...
The minimum wage should be based on the size of the companies and the amount of employees. A small, family business should not having to pay $15 per hour, for cashiers, waitresses etc. Those jobs are for high school kids. Then you have giant corporations like Walmart and Wells Fargo, who's CEOs make millions, but their employees, mostly adults, many with families, are making $10 per hour. They should be making at least $15 per hour. My goodness, how many millions, does it takes to be happy? To CEOs of large corporations, apparently it's never enough. But the small "mom and pop" stores would hurt by raising the minimum wage. That's enough for a teenager to pay for their share of car insurance and phone.
Trump is a good business man. He was so happy, when he made money during the housing crises. I get it. We all want to make more money. Capitalism is good. Predatory capitalism, like going bankrupt 6 times, cleaning investors out of their life savings, millions of jobs lost, making money from someone else's distress, indicates that he doesn't gives a rat's butt, about the struggling middle class. If you took a loss on your house (thanks Jr.), I'm sure Trump, through one of his many real estate companies, most likely profited from your loss. That's fine, if you don't have a guilty conscience, fine for the little guy, to get extra money through predatory capitalism, even though it may be morally wrong, but our president? Predatory capitalism is something that a president, with a heart and soul, representing all American citizens, should not be practicing. Doesn't his past behavior indicate that he is just a disaster in the making? Does he even have a conscience? What charitable organizations does he support? What community service has he advocated now, or in his younger days? Nothing! I'm sure there's some damage control propaganda out there.
We all know Michael Moore is an idiot, but.... even HE thinks Trump will win. His reasons are as biased an offensive as those of the people he hates ("stupid angry white people like Trump", ) but I find it interesting that even a brainwashed liberal communist who would gladly be Hillary's bitch thinks Trump is going to win....
http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
"All those programs you took advantage of - programs paid for by your neighbors - were just carrots *legally* tied to the end of sticks. But they were the epitome of redistribution, aka "legal" theft. You sir did exactly what you are complaining that Trump did."
OK, on the concept of programs we are just going to differ. You have your opinion where programs are just legal "carrots." Fine. My opinion is that The People, through a representative government, decide, as a team, to pursue certain goals hopefully for the benefit of The People, our society, our country and the world.
You say this is illegitimate money. I say it's The People offering a helping hand, not a hand-out, to pursue a legitimate goal. Sure, sometimes, by definition, it is a targeted group ---- 9/11 victims, poor, middle class and even the rich. Cash for clunkers was not a targeted economic group but instead a very diverse economic group of people with age-mpg-challenged vehicles with the goal being to increase GDP (yes I spent money I would not have spent at that time) and lower emissions and reliance on foreign oil. I would not have spent the money without a helping hand. I would have nursed that clunker, driven less, for years without that helping hand. The dual goals of the program to spur the economy and reduce oil usage worked in my case.
The marriage and child tax deductions, a program that cuts across demographics, has a goal of promoting something good for our society too.. Lots of great examples. One other great one is the solar investment. Sure, Solyndra was a bad deal. But the solar investment TURNED A PROFIT and kick-started our solar industry previously controlled by the Chinese. Remember --- these programs are not intended to turn a profit --- breaking even would be breaking bad. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/11/13/solyndra-scandal-mongering-hasnt-stopped-the-en/201551
So no. I don't see representative elected officials creating programs for the betterment of America as illegitimate money.
And my usage of the cash for clunkers is a perfect example, I was a poster child for complying with the spirit of the program and I sacrificed my beautiful SUV ride for my low-power, poor handling, cramped hybrid that, with the current cost of gas, is making me reflect mightily on my decision. But I am cheap and like helping the environment and just can't trade-in a car until it's done, done, done.
I don't see my spending money I would not have spent otherwise as me robbing the government or the people.
Trump's usage of 9/11 recovery money is the opposite. While a loophole made it "legal," he certainly was not a poster child for the program. None of his properties were damaged by the 9/11 attack. He did not need a helping hand, far from it. He was not only greedy, he was a war profiteer.
Your link has little to do with the subject of government programs. I actually liked it although it really had less to do with money than with technology and economics. His point: "Since 1980, employment in manufacturing – the source of good wages for the middle and lower classes – has fallen in all the major developed economies, including Germany and Japan.
In most of them, it has been roughly cut in half." This has led to wage stagnation, to less jobs, etc. but he clearly says it don't matter whether it's the buck, gold or whatever --- it's output, GDP in other words. And reading inside the lines one could probably qualify good GDP as real goods versus bad GDP as M&A's, bubbles and balloons. But the dollar aside, this manufacturing job reduction has more to do with technology that it does foreign trade and very little to do with our monetary system. Your link was a non sequitur to the discussion. But a fun piece and a funny guy.
To the articles actual point, I have long said we are at a turning point in our economy and no longer can be a manufacturing economy. Going forward we will split the economy between service and "innovation" (or invention if you will) sectors. And we will need many new tools and training to make an innovation economy successful. It is a most difficult task to make innovation systematic.
But no Trump is a war-profiteering pig and I am just a little guy happy to get a hand to help out in the environment. Sure, we were both legal but is that the only bottom line?
When I used cash for clunkers, my clunker had brand new tires which amazingly fit another vehicle I had (which also had brand new tires). So I bought (spurring the economy more :>) so retreads and recycled the new tires before the car was scrapped. I still drive on those tires seven years later.
Somehow I think JIT thinks this means I got free tires.
To be honest, cash for clunkers was seen as a failure. It ended up being used by upper class and educated folks, did little to stem our reliance on oil, and the money probably could have been used better, elsewhere. Also, while it did kick-start the auto industry, a lull occurred immediately following the programs leaving many to postulate that no new sales occurred. Also, due to the program constraints for fuel efficiency, it is suggested that many bought cheaper cars than they would have with out the program.
In my case, like I said, I would not have bought a car for years, I most certainly bought a cheaper car, but more expensive than a non-hybrid, and I radically reduced by fuel consumption. I was indeed the poster child but apparently not the average child.
Most of the other reviews are more negative: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/brookings-cash-for-clunkers-program-barack-obama-administration-cars-stimulus-099134
Trump offers Russia a reward to hack Hillary's email and reveal the results.
Just amazing.
He is also looking into whether we should cede the Crimea to Russia.
Hey SD- I mean, if Hillary HASN'T BROKEN THE LAW, then what's she got to worry about, right? (in case you've forgotten, that's one of your gun control,background checks/registration arguments)
Why would Russia be interested in Clinton's e-mails regarding her daughter's wedding and her yoga schedule?? LOL
facts Not sure how anyone can rationalize or justify encouraging any entity (country or individual) to hack another person or institution. It's just a rotten tactic and really bad precedent.
Me thinks the Hillary campaign is in panic mode if they are worried about a sarcastic comment from Trump about Russia finding the 30,000 deleted emails. I think he's hijacked the DNC convention and the dems can't handle it. Press on Donald!!
But yet if Obama cracks a joke the heavens must fall.
What does amy of that have to do with Trump Jr?
Stramgerdanger "Trump offers Russia a reward to hack Hillary's email and reveal the results"
You have a problem with that?
He is also looking into whether we should cede the Crimea to Russia.
Got proof? or just more Blabber?
"Why would Russia be interested in Clinton's e-mails regarding her daughter's wedding and her yoga schedule??"
Exactly... they are claiming this would be a breach of national security. I thought she only deleted her personal messages.
Besides, I'm sure Russia already has them, since the FBI director said even Gmail was more secure than her top secret server.
Hardly any panic the DNC made history yesterday and the convention is moving along rather well focusing on core issues. The funny thing is that Donnie can't stand not having the limelight thus his tantrum and request to the Russian hackers. What a shocker that he's advocating breaking the law but as expected the Trump-bots "think" anything he says is A-OK.
"the convention is moving along rather well "
Well, except for state delegates walking out... and thousands of anti-Hillary (pro-Bernie) protesters outside.
Yeah, we Democrats are a diverse and feisty bunch. So some flag burning, some walk-outs, some screaming, some arrests ---- much diversity, many different ideas, same vocal passion from some as from some of you Republicans or Trumpians. As long as they are non-violent -- OK, if violent -- take em away.
Does not take away from the success of the convention so far --- better orchestrated and managed, bigger names, great speeches, folksy videos, great music, less plagiarism, no Chachi as the headliner, and a rainbow of people rather than a sea of salt with a few specks of pepper.
So where are those taxes. What's Trump hiding now? I think your real question is what do you do now? Last election you realized your spirit of exclusivity and your disdain of diversity was forcing your party into exile and extinction. How could you lose that election? Thinking small was making you small. Now you have let your zealots double-down on that, most --- not all --- of your leaders have capitulated to a crazy man who does not embrace your ideals, platform or even coming close to your code of honor. Democrats may have some dissention but you are blowing apart at the seams.
Washington Post reporter barred from Trump rally yesterday. First turned away for having cell phone and PC; when he returned without them he was turned away again.
Is this Trump's America and Bill of Rights embrace or is something much darker potentially on the horizon.
Perfect, all there trying to do is makeup lies to feed people. He should bar all of the leftist media. There rating would tank and they'd go bankrupt. Trump is keeping them in business :-)
More like media is keeping Trump in the spotlight which is why yesterday he had to have the press conference for his moment of LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME. Narcissism aside controlling the press whether right, left or moderate really goes against democracy and Trump does it for the power.
"controlling the press whether right, left or moderate really goes against democracy and Trump does it for the power."
Agreed controlling or censoring the press is a bad thing... but they ALL do it, and they all do it for power. Trump cannot be singled out for that. The administration being "in league" with the press is part of the reason people are so angry, and part of the reason for Trump's popularity.... he won despite all the attempts made by the left, the right, and the press to stop him.
"Does not take away from the success of the convention so far --- better orchestrated and managed, bigger names, great speeches, folksy videos, great music, less plagiarism, no Chachi as the headliner, and a rainbow of people rather than a sea of salt with a few specks of pepper. "
Saw the list of speakers the other day. 70% emotion-driving speakers, the remaining are politicians (probably talking about emotional subjects).
Where are the problem solvers who understand how to fix things? Oh, that's right. The D's, like the R's, only pander to our emotions. Forgot!
Trumps a narcissist? The president referred to himself 119 times in this speech last night. LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME!!!!
JIT, if you were looking for a deeper truth, tuning in to a convention seems stupid.
The plans for problem solving are on the website. It was noted numerous times on every night. Conventions are not the place to determine solutions to problems nor to go through the gory details detailed in the plans. However high level descriptions have been the order of the day.
Conventions are where we nominate the candidate, come together in unity, cobble together a final platform based on the different candidate's platforms weighted by voting preference, and celebrate the winners and losers in the grueling nomination process as well as all those who gave heart and soul, blood, sweat and tears during that process. In case you are just coming up to speed, it's the culmination of the solutions process, not the formulation I think you are looking for. That was the past year.....
Along with some good old American spirit and emotion. Thank you Donald J Trump for making Democrats the nostalgic Americana hoopla rah rah booster team usually owned by the Republicans.
What is an emotion-driving speaker anyways?
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/139910704581/how-to-spot-a-narcissist-trump-persuasion-series
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/137221841136/charisma-vs-danger-master-persuader-series
a couple of good Scott Adams OpEd pieces on this.
Narcisists work hard to defend there sense of self both publicly and internally - this translates into a strong work ethic and persistence in the face of challenges to that sense of self.
Narcisists are driven by the demands of their ego's to perform at a higher levels than others. They strive to reach the apex in there personal and professional endeavors.
When a narcissist ego is at stake for doing a job well I have confidence in Trump fully applying himself to the office.
In spite of facing substantial failures he did not collapse into narcissistic rage and depression but rather picked up the pieces made the best of business situations that others would have wrote off and walked away from. Trump Narcissism helps him stick to his goals and persist when a less internally driven person would not fare as well.
His biggest motivation is his legacy - to be known as the president that saved America in the 21st century - so I don't think Trump being a narcissist is necessarily a negative.
here's some truth for you - http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/289586-trump-seeking-more-foreign-workers-for-mar-a-lago
Yesterday Trump said he would love to hit some speakers at the DNC convention. Cool: Trump vs. Bloomberg probably goes Trump, but Trump vs. Generals----uh oh.
Trump has distanced himself from his own convention saying he just showed up to talk. Uh oh, the blame game starts..... That's Trump 101. Think we know which convention was more successful. Remember this --- when the going gets tough and the chips are down, Trump cuts n runs and finds a scapegoat. He didn't ever go bankrupt he proclaims. Sure --- when his companies are high, he's the only reason they succeed. When they are low, he scraps the company, bails, and pull out as much cash as he can leaving investors, workers, and suppliers holding the bag. Didn't go bankrupt --- crikey --- he was removed as CEO during one bankruptcy. Yanked off the mast head, not voted off, yanked off ---- that's the business equivalent of being impeached on your merits. And then they kept his name on the door for sales. He tried to take it with him, but noooooo. He lost that lawsuit too.
Meanwhile our first lady of plagiarism scrapped her website which claimed her degree in architecture from the University of Ljubljana. She left the college after her first year; was a major even declared? She said: "“because it does not accurately reflect my current business and professional interests.” You betcha.
Meanwhile... "a Trump employee who had helped write the speech, Meredith McIver, acknowledged using Ms. Obama’s lines and apologized, saying it was unintentional." Houston we have a sword faller; anyone see the bus coming?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/us/politics/melania-trump.html
Meanwhile.... Trump has dialed back on his Russia comments calling them sarcasm. Is sarcasm the request to a foreign non-ally to violate our laws and security for his own personal gain? Time to call the FBI to investigate possible treason. Where are those tax returns showing Trump's Russian financial ties?
On to the debates!!
Hillary said she never deleted any classified e-mails so why does the left and the media have their underwear in a bunch? Should be no problem. And lets be honest, if you listen it the whole Trump comment he was definitely be sarcastic. If John Stewart or Stephan Colbert had said you'd all be laughing till you wet your pants.
And how about we start to focus on what was in them? Real nice coming from the most tolerate party ever.
Ollie - I feel like both parties have stolen my voting rights...can't vote for either candidate.
why does nobody mention the DNC email leak?
http://thetab.com/us/2016/07/24/the-dnc-email-hack-shows-how-the-democrats-worked-against-bernie-39854
potential nation state information warfare working to support a Trump presidency - and go.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy
Why does no one mention the 22million emails the Bush Administration deleted?
"Why does no one mention the 22million emails the Bush Administration deleted?"
Didn't know he was running for president. Thanks for the heads up.
So now we are really believing things in Wiki. Really. Ohhh I forgot. It's on the internet it must be true.
CraftBeerBob Skippy - Did you also miss Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice also used private email servers? Powell in particular admitted he emailed government officials, and even world leaders via the private account. Like Hillary, he usually sent staff emails at government accounts which means the supposed number deleted is not nearly as accurate as the truth. Because the recipient account is government archived, it's no longer a problem of not having a record of it.
But two big differences though - Powell did have an additional government email that he used most of the time so he has an out to claim anything classified went through there. Second difference is he never turned over any private server emails which means any admission there was government business use of the private account is an admission of the crime Hillary is accused of.
Ollie - You're confusing the deleting issue with the classified issue.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/what-mentally-strong-people-dont-do/201511/7-things-only-narcissists-do
Not sure Trump fits the bill, but there are others that do...
I am not sure foreign diplomacy is the best place for sarcasm. Probably best not to use sarcasm in front of small children when talking about or to foreign-speaking people --- chances that the nuance will be lost and the comments taken literally. Do plain speakers like to employ sarcasm --- didn't know that was in the definition of plain speaking.
That said, where is the out-of-context sarcasm in Trump's tweet: "“If Russia or any other country or person has Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 illegally deleted emails, perhaps they should share them with the FBI!” Looks pretty plain speaking to me.
As far as the press conference, I have a hard time seeing the sarcasm in his statement except when he attempts to shift the blame after the fact. Here it is, seems; perhaps Ollie has a more sarcastic version. Here it is: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-27/trump-i-hope-russia-has-all-33000-emails-hillary-deleted
"why does nobody mention the DNC email leak?" Ultimately all the emails showed was that the DNC leaders favored Hillary over Sanders - not great but also not necessarily a surprise considering Sanders had condemned democrats for years and ran as an independent. The reality is that this is a very selective release of information and it is disturbing that there are external groups trying to shape the narrative - where are emails from the RNC, Trump or how about emails from the DNC when Obama was the preferred candidate? I'd actually feel the same way if "they" only hacked Trump's emails or tax returns (whatever) - there's something pretty rotten about this entire thing especially if it is coming from the Russian hackers.
http://endingthefed.com/every-single-thing-in-hillarys-dnc-speech-was-bullst.html
Here's some humor. Makes sense though.
Metsman "So now we are really believing things in Wiki. Really. Ohhh I forgot. It's on the internet it must be true."
i'm sorry are we really discounting an actual historical event because it has a wiki page?
ok so here is a TIME article in 2007. is this a good enough source for you?
http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1610414,00.html
If you want real humor, try Trump mixing up Kaine and Kean.
On the other hand when Trump said he was doing a horrible job with NJ and was not well liked there, he could have had someone else on his mind...
If you care to live in the past that is your choice Darwin.
Since you brought it up though, We will discuss. Here is one thing no one in the Clinton camp ever did. The Bush administration admitted the issue. Imagine that.
"Late Tuesday, the Bush Administration admitted that in reviewing documents requested by Democrats for their investigations, it discovered that as many as 50 of its staffers may have violated the Presidential Records Act."
That's called fessing up before you were going to get caught anyway :>)
What I like is that Trump does not use email..... Leftist MSM plot that email is. Might see more than 140 characters and that's not plain speaking. Someone should tell him there's pictures in email now :>)
"If you care to live in the past that is your choice Darwin."
i'm not trying to live in the past, just pointing out the irony that some get all hot when 1 party does something but ignores it when their party does the same thing. happens all the time from both parties and I thinks its funny.
So go ahead and convene the appropriate trials to hold the Bush administration responsible.
The "but he did it too" excuse shouldn't apply to anyone. I guess one minor difference is that Bush isn't running for President at the moment, so of course the Clinton gets more attention. What Bush did may have been wrong, but there is no risk of him knowingly perpetuating that behavior in his next potential job - unlike Clinton.
If you personally think what Bush did was so egregious, but are giving Clinton a pass (by either voting for her or defending the decision to not have charges brought) then aren't you being just as hypocritical?
I did miss it - but read up on it and here is what I found:
“During Secretary Powell’s tenure, the Department introduced for the first time unclassified desktop email and access to the Internet on a system known as OpenNet," so before OpenNet powell was allowed to have his own server for UC email and he always used secure systems for classified mail he was in state from January 20, 2001–January 26, 2005 - that stuff didn't exist until he was leaving. In addition it was a commercial account state set up for him - not one he set up in his house.
"As for Secretary Condoleezza Rice (2005-2009), the inspector general concluded she did not use either personal or department email accounts for State Department business."
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-16-03.pdf
also - neither is running for president
On this email stuff, why do you really care? Mostly because you just hate Hillary and this is as good a place as any to vent your spleen.
First off, yes she lied. Even if it wasn't marked classified, she should have known. She lied. But apparently not a big enough lie to prosecute except in the court of your opinion.
Second, she had a server. Not illegal, certainly inappropriate and much more inappropriate when she left office than when she began. Times change and so do security procedures and hacking capabilities. But not inappropriate enough to prosecute except in the court of your opinion.
Third, no one can prove hacking. There were attempts but even those are cloudy and might have been phishing attempts which is pretty lame stuff. Nothing bad happened although worse has happened to people who did less.
So it was inappropriate, not worthy of prosecution and no can tell you that anything bad happened. And she lied about not reading and sending classified stuff.
The other guys were even deeper in the past so even less inappropriate and less likely to prove hacking so who even cares.
But when it comes to missing emails, missing information, well Hillary's private emails are nothing compared to the past. Nixon's erasure of the 18 1/2 minute gap is a much more interesting case of deletion. I happen to know the true story and since I am anonymous, it's safe to let you in. I warn you in advance, it's the most frightening piece of news you will ever hear.
Three days post the Watergate break-in at the DNC in 1972, Nixon, Halderman, and Mitchell - the director of CREEP, yeah they call it CREEP, meet to talk. It is expected that they were talking about the DNC break-in and how to cover up, but now the truth can be told.
The 18 1/2 minutes was a rounding from the actual time which was really 18 minutes and 34 seconds. This was done to bury any possible connection with the truth no matter what conjectures people would come up with. But the truth is that in 1967, a little known half-Jewish cowboy was messing around in the counterculture, wearing tie dye, bandannas and beads and becoming famous at Woodstock. His radical message did not reach Nixon's ears until just that moment in 1972, just three years after Woodstock. It's the message that changed the world and would have completely destroyed the establishment overnight if it was known that Nixon listen, and accepted the truth. That's right ---- they were listening to Alice's Restaurant on the record playing machine. Alice's, as you know, is exactly 18 minutes and 34 seconds long and it's one thing for Nixon to have a gap, a cover up, and have to resign from the Presidency. But it's another thing all together to hear these guys, I mean these particular guys, these guys listening and laughing and singing along "you can get anything you want........"
Because then you would ask:
Why were they listening
Why were they laughing
What were they doing to cause all that laughing
Why did it take three years
Now if that got out, that would be a real disaster.
So Hillary's deletion is nothing when compared to that.
This is what some of you think belongs in ANY elected office in this country?? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/07/29/i-wanted-to-hit-a-couple-of-those-speakers-so-hard-trump-says-of-dem-convention-critics/?tid=sm_tw
Ha ha ha that's good stuff man - still though with her mishandling of misinformation she wouldn't be qualified to hold any position that handles TS/SCI and won't qualify for a Yankee white clearance to hear her own daily briefing if elected - you cool with that ? Per your own statements she lied during a criminal investigation- you cool with a president that would have so little integrity as to lie about something you would consider such a deminimis act? You cool with that too?
skippy - You're making the same mistake Ollie did about classified info. The whole "30,000 emails" isn't anything about state secrets. None of those are classified. It's about the law that requires government officials to have their work preserved for historical purposes. That's the same law Darwin pointed out that Bush broke so badly. Powell's private email account messages to heads of state violate the preservation laws, not the secrecy laws. Its not a matter of the past for arbitrary sake, the end result is why bringing charges goes against what has been done in the past despite all the political agendas. Secrecy violations would have been a much different story.
I don't see that bringing charges against Powell serves any more purposed than bringing them against Clinton. Not turning over advice to Chelsea about hair styles for a wedding isn't any worse than not turning over a reminder to Donald Rumsfeld that you'll see him tomorrow at a briefing. It's ridiculous minutia instead of "who's going to pay down our debt".
PS, If you're good with Powell's claim classified info was only through the government email, then why aren't you good with Hillary saying all of the 30,000 emails were personal? The whole issue of email is closed in that case.
GC - Not entirely true. The FBI said there *were" classified emails on the unsecured server (which is a problem in itself) and that they couldn't determine if any of the 30,000 missing messages were classified or not.
We have to take Clinton's word for that... whatever that's worth (nothing).
4catmom, do you really believe that he was threatening them with physical violence. Yeah, he was going to take Bloomberg outside for an ass wooping. More like a verbal hit, didn't expect anything less from the Washington Post.
she gave this response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXRHdN1bYmo
I want to put forth the distinction between a personal email account (which is what state told Powell to use and created for him for unclassified email) and a personal email server. There was no intent and this type of communication was not illegal 2001-2005. That is not my conjecture the OIG came up with that. I believe Powell because an independent investigation backs that up. The U.S. Code of federal regulations on handling electronic records was not updated until 2009 (see pic of Hillarys ack). So Powell was in the clear. “Agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that Federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency record-keeping system.” The responsibility for making and preserving the records is assigned to “the head of each federal agency.”
But I want to focus a bit on the latter - having your own email server. CLINTONEMAIL.COM - the server actually lived at her house in Chappaqua.
1. The federal government's IT staff had access to Powells email and could access it and respond to a subpoena for Inbox content as part of an investigation. But in this scenario, there is no third-party. Clinton is her own email provider. To set things up this way is a very deliberate act that takes conscious effort.
2. everything that was sent or received from that server was sent unencrypted, someone could have sniffed the line for port 25 traffic and gotten clear text. - SoS lands in country X, turns on her iPhone and checks email, the ISP - and in many foreign countries this is a government agency hasa record of every email sent and during the sync process.
3. I agree with you as SoS you must have your actions accountable to the American people. This is a cabinet level government official skirting their duty to keep their official communications on record - they were not available for FOIA requests for one.
and yeah the Bush administration did the same stuff - "White House deputy Jennifer Farley told Jack Abramoff not to use the official White House system "because it might actually limit what they can do to help us, especially since there could be lawsuits, etc." Abramoff responded, "Dammit. It was sent to Susan on her RNC pager and was not supposed to go into the WH system." also not OK.
4. That server - that was sending unencrypted emails - was in her house.. Not a hardened data center. OK she has the secret service there - but are they at a telco POP down the street? This thing is on the public internet folks..
Think about the massive security preventative measures taken to protect our countries data / confidential or otherwise. Then consider that in Hillary's case there are were no assurances whatsoever that top secret information located at her home and then in a sub-contractors bathroom had appropriate controls implemented to protect that information. The OMP was hacked and lost the info of 21 MM people but yet the IT guy in the bathroom was somehow better prepared to ensure the security of this data in motion and at rest.
ok how about this - Clintonemail.com is and always was registered with a private domain registrar, Network Solutions. Anyone who attacked Network Solutions would be able to quietly hijack the Clintonemail.com domain intercepting, redirecting, and even spoofing email from Clinton’s account. Hundreds of domains are lost in this way every year.. State.gov is held by the government and has protections put in place by the NSA.
http://www.whois.com/whois/clintonemail.com
So say an attacker was able to spoof an email from Clinton to a world leader - think that has potential for disaster?
What do you expect skippy, she can't even follow the rules for the date format in her signature...
Lol - but to think - yeah you only care because you don't like her is not the case - I care because she took huge risks with our national InfoSec doing this - and the response that yeah she lied suck it up is ludicrous. This is not like lying about did you eat the last cookie or have your way with the chunky intern - this is a lie of magnitude. I hope JIT as a fellow engineer weighs in here. The notion that nothing bad happened (that we know about) is also ludicrous- so if I drive home smashed out of my gourd with open liquor and a handgun on the seat and make it home is that ok? Nothing bad happened right.
Some of you people need to turn on the light look around and try to start up you brain, think for yourselves instead of following the Bonnie and Clyde of the democratic party.
The only answers you give is what the republicans have done. In my opinion there is not a whole lot of brain power floating around on this thread.
This email distraction just validates the Republicrats model. Same crap, one starts with R the other with D.
Yeah agreed but does my technical analysis have merit or am I talking out of my rear the next potus has 5 potential Supreme Court seats to fill - were not talking about the next 4 years were taking about 40
Skippy, I'm not the best person to validate the IT side of things. I would think GC would have some valuable insight, as would many of the other IT professionals on the forum.
My view is that the entire email thing is just being overblown here. Do I think there's a very high likelihood H has broken some laws? You betcha. But the ones to decide that have already punted the football, forgoing their legal obligations by suggesting that enforcing the law would change the outcome of the election (which it should). Hope Trump says "You're Fired" to all of them should he win the election lol
A sign of the times: electronic media and not radical Islamic terrorists, barbarians at our gates, gets all the attention. Nuts!
Yes, saying you're fired breeds a spirit of teaming and unity..... To think someone made their bones this way because they couldn't hire well to begin with.... That's entertainment?
But, on the email ---- I think, although long, WIKI pretty much sums it up and there's a three-month window of opportunity for unencrypted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy
Not even sure if she used the system or how much during that period. I think Skippy is right, sniffing the line before the POP could work, but once it hit's the open net, it's pretty much scattered to the internet winds. But most DSL, cable, and fiber are encrypted by the ISP at the link level, so sniffing is not only physically difficult and expensive, more so in Chappaqua than an urban environment, but you probably have to decrypt as well.
The bigger question IMHO is where is the pilfered email? I would think if a hacker or the Russians had done it, we would have seen it. Too much money and other profit to me made by going public and claiming success. So that leaves sniffers who don't want to divulge their success.
Sure, even with encryption this server was dangerous and there's plenty of people who profit more by not announcing their success. But D. Trump is now getting security briefings and I can say, based on his unencrypted mouth, that he has been hacked is a possibility too.
Bottom line: marked classified or not, she lied but apparently not in a criminal fashion. Too me, it was a bigger lie than an oops. He email actions are improper but not illegal. Anyone who says elsewise is entitled to their opinion but that's all it is. Same with collusion, conspiracy, and whatever but the entire justice division.
Here's a funny: based on the Republican's zeal to out Hillary and make as much public as they can, here's a start at the type of work-flow and people-flow analysis you can do thanks to these idiots: https://linkurio.us/visualizing-the-network-of-hillary-clintons-emails/ Pretty soon all Hillary email contacts will be getting spam :>)
Back to Trump....
Remember when Trump called out McCain for getting captured? Probably was only being sarcastic but brings to mind: how did you spend the War Donnie Duck. Well I got 4 or 5 deferments while in college. In High School I was a star athlete for baseball. In 1966, my draft board physical said 1A. Suddenly in 1968, after my college years of deferment, at the height of the draft in 1968, bone spurs in both heels kept me out of the war on a medical deferment classified as 1Y. 1Y is a temporary deferment like for a hernia. So I was deemed as minor medically challenged, and I was expected to be up for the draft in 1969 when something happened and I retained my most minor medical deferment for bone spurs until 1972 when I was deemed 4F.
After college, I had $200,00 from working part time with Daddy which is over $1M in today’s bucks but I couldn’t afford to cure bone spurs for over three years. This made dancing at Studio 54 while McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton a pretty tough tour of duty. I gotta tell you, I suffered. Still today I almost walk with a limp.
I’m sorry, what did you call John McCain?
Yeah I'm with you there mc Cain is a hero - and nothing regarding his service should come out of anyone's mouth except "thank you"
" Do I think there's a very high likelihood H has broken some laws?"
The FBI said there was not enough evidence, they did not say there was no evidence.
My previous comments about McCain were something along the lines of poop wrapped in a flag is the same as poop wrapped in a paper bag. If the red, white and blue stripes make you like poop, well that's your prerogative.
It's still just poop, and hiding that fact under the guise of blind patriotism is akin to willfully sticking your head in the sand. IMO of course.
Didn't say I liked his politics - still respect the fact that he was a POW that was offered release early and he refused unless they let his men go. His service record is unimpeachable.
Wow. +1 skippy. Admiring a hero for his service is not afirmation of his politics. Poop on that line of thought
http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/07/28/breaking-trump-caught-quietly-applying-for-foreign-worker-visas-to-staff-hotel-details/
Bring work back to america my ass
yet another important piece of the story: http://warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-letter-on-donald-trump-from-gop-national-security-leaders/
Yep understood - just saying I think that's a recent development - in the 70s he was pretty hard core
Funny thing, the hat I received in the mail after I donated has a tag with American flag with the words made in the USA. Not sure where you got your hat or did you just post a picture off the internet to prove a point?
"Not sure where you got your hat"
Cheap Chinese knock offs? Say it ain't so!
http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-hat-china/
I'm sorry, I missed the previous post about McCain's character being poop. Can you elaborate?
What Trump says and what Trump does continues to be two very different things.
As noted above: Trump talks the wall but continues to hire over a thousand seasonal foreign workers for just one property alone. Wonder what the full count is? Why, because it's legal and it's cheaper. He will tell you it's because Amerikans won't take the jobs. Hey, Donald, so what changes about that when you deport 11 million workers working jobs Amerikans won't take?
Trump talks tough on war but develops bone spurs when called to duty. More than willing to send your son though.
Where are those taxes and what shameful, legal, financial cons is Trump trying to hide. Best guesses are foreign revenues like from Russia and China, lack of any charitable deduction, very low revenue for a 10B man, and enough deductions to put him well below the 10% marginal tax rate. But seeing Trump's reluctance to divulge current (because of the audit) or past taxes (no audits going on), chance are it's much worse than that. Remember, nothing stops him from issuing his taxes today. It's his personal choice not to do so.
He continue to say he's the best chance to make America great based on his business experience where HE never went bankrupt. But he drove his companies into the ground six times leaving investors, employees, and contractors holding the financial bag while he carpet bagged a huge profit. If he runs the US like he runs his companies, you're the investors in that equation and may be the contractors too.
He says he will end ISIS fast but by adopting their brutal and illegal tactics of brutal torture and killing innocents, targeting populations by religion, he has already created a larger ISIS. He is the post child for ISIS recruitment. Imagine you're a Muslim in America, feeling a bit economically frustrated, maybe having a tough time in the job market, and you hear that Trump is torturing Muslims suspected of being terrorist, killing their families, blocking your religion from access to America and registering you because of your faith. Think you might turn on the ISIS channel to see what's happening there? Heck, lots of us are turning on the Trump channel.
Saying one thing and doing another. That's the Trump con. Gets you to vote with your heart, based on your fears, and not your mind.
Yeah, Trump hats are made by Latino Americans in Southern California.
Ironic ain't it.
"Yeah, Trump hats are made by Latino Americans in Southern California."
Got proof or is this blabber?
Wife's uncle die hard trump supporter looked under his hat made in China. Trump bobble head he got as a gift because he is such a die hard fan made in China. He's just like every other rich business man he will outsource everything he can to save a dime. That wolnt get any Americans jobs. Not saying Clinton's any better there both horrable but trumps full of it and has a lot of people snowed.
positive 
Does someone need google lessons.... http://www.latimes.com/politics/ Wasn't really too hard...
But since you brought it up and seem challenged that if you don't get proof on a platter it must be blabber.... Here's Trump product manufacturing most of which is not in the ole USofA.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/jul/25/funny-or-die/fact-checking-funny-or-die-video-about-trump-brand/
Now Trump is famous for saying he does this because you can't get these things in the US. Wrong on all counts. Matter of fact, there in an increase in US manufacturing of these goods and most of the US-made goods are high end. Apparently Trump's are just low cost, high price.
Remember he values his brand name, Trump, as worth $3B in goodwill. Somebody gotta pay to make that true. I forget, what do they call those people?
Yep - Did you even read the link? The hats that are made in China are not official campaign merchandise.
Is Trump manufacturing and selling (or licensing) the bobble heads or is that another knock off product? If he got it from trumpbobblehead.com here is the real owner, so you can ask why he's selling stuff made in China:
Registrant Contact
Name: steven hoffman
Organization:
Mailing Address: 371 Countryside rd, oak park California 91377 US
Phone: +1.8185238082
https://whois.icann.org/en/lookup?name=trumpbobblehead.com
The problem is Mark Mc. it's not fitting their narrative so of course they didn't read it
Bobbleheads aren't sold on Trump's web site. They don't sell, manufacture, or license bobbleheads. There are a lot of them out there in many different forms, some made in the US, some not.
The hats are a Trump official product. As snopes already confirmed, the Chinese made ones are not what he sells from his web site. His specific instructions were to make them in the US, and out of US materials. The contract does not appear to have any restrictions on who they hire. Do a web search on "Cali-Fame of Los Angeles". They are the manufacturer hired by Trump. Yes, they are made in the LA area, and yes they have employees from the US, Mexico, and El Salvador. The US materials part seems to be a matter of contention whether they complied or not.
China no. LA by Latinos yes. Foreign workers yes.
Thanks GC for the clarification, just adds more proof to what a major hypocrite Trump is.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-trump-hats-cali-fame-carson-20151124-story.html
"The company employs about 100 people in a 30,000-square-foot warehouse. About 80% of the company’s workforce is Latino, Kennedy estimates. He says that every worker has his or her immigration status verified."
So... they're not here illegally. Where's the hypocrisy?
Or are you guys assuming Latino = illegal immigrant? Wouldn't that make YOU racist?
Mark - No, it makes Trump the racist. He's the one that has said "they" *ALL* go back 'home' legal or not. That's because they're all "bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists.', etc.. Then, gradually they are allowed back under new totally restrictive rules. Even if they were previously here legally making hats for Trump. Or they're not even from Mexico. The hypocrisy is calling them all drug mongers, criminals, and rapists and then employing them.
Personally, I think it's fine if they're made in LA and made by legally employed Salvadorans. But Trump is the one is who never compromises, never backs down, only makes America great, and certainly doesn't give jobs to foreigners legal or not. Right?
You cut off the last part of that quote... "And some, I assume, are good people."
So do you deny that while some are good people that some *are* criminals, etc.?
I think it's clear that *illegal* immigrants are what needs to be addressed, so we can separate the "good" from the bad.
Mark - His vision of sending them all back says differently. It's almost like if one or two out of millions are good people, he'll some how concede the slim chance. If there really were some good people, and it was only about the legal case, then legals would stay and not go back only to pay more $ again to go through the same legal process. I happen to agree that legality is the issue, but remember that view point is just some PC crap that Trump doesn't abide by. Calling them *all* criminals is what Trump has been promoting, and some supporters are counting on "he's the only one to tell the truth". A good candidate that spoke to immigration and reform and resolution would be a good thing. But that's not Trump, he's "I hate f***ing Mexicans". If you wanted to just deal with legal vs illegal then Rubio was that person.
Where does his platform state all Mexicans will be deported?
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
The only thing I see on his site not related to illegal aliens is the idea to cancel/restrict Visas... which should be temporary to begin with.
Good information GC. Regarding his regular branded merchandise and clothing most are made in China. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-admits-gear-made-china-labels/story?id=13472355
"....As first reported by Salon.com, the Trump wear sold in Macy's, part of the Donald J. Trump Signature Collection, is manufactured overseas, including ties in more than 50 different styles and colors (all made in China), suits (made in Mexico and Vietnam), and dress shirts (five styles made in China).
All the Trump tie pins ($22) and tie clips ($28) are labeled as "Made in China," as are the cufflinks ($35 to $45 a pair) and even the boxes containing them. ..."
Not sure, but didn't he employ illegal polish laborers to help build some of his buildings?
Mark - Second Republican debate rhetoric. But he's never gone back on that, right? Slowly. More and more. He never gives in.
" it's not fitting their narrative so of course they didn't read it" Who you saying "they" about Ollieman..... Certainly not me; I never mentioned Chinese hats and my link certainly said knock-offs. Like when I said, Latino-made, not illegal-immigrant-made so please don't blame me for your over-generalizing minds.
But it is ironic, ain't it?
Fact is Trump uses cheap labor, makes most things over there that could be made over here in the USofA instead. The hats are his politically correct establishment homage to the presidential race.
And Mark, in terms of the quote about illegal alien Mexican rapists, there are many times Trump leaves out the "and some, I assume, are good people" part. But sure, he said it which gets you to at least a maybe 60% bad, 40% OK sort of ratio. I mean, "and some" can't be the majority ----- right?
Today Trump pulled the Muslim card, this time insinuating that perhaps something was stopping Mrs. Khan from speaking at the convention: "Mr. Trump was asked about the speech Saturday during an interview with ABC’s George Stephanopoulos. He said: “I saw him. He was, you know, very emotional. And probably–looked like a nice guy to me. His wife uh, if you look at his wife, she was standing there, she had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me. But plenty of people have written that. She was extremely quiet. And it looked like she had nothing to say. A lot of people have said that. And personally, I watched him, I wish him the best of luck.”
Maybe she wasn't allowed... Plenty of people wrote that. Looked like she had nothing to say. Lots of people said that. What a flipping mad-man this guy is as he insinuates, hints, baits and trolls. Just trying to build a narrative of generalization that all Muslims are like the Middle East Muslims with regards to treatment of women.
Mrs. Kahn said later: "“First of all, I thank all America who listened from their heart to my husband’s and my heart, and I’m so grateful for that. And it was very nervous because I cannot see my son’s picture, and I cannot even come in the room where his pictures are. And that’s why when, I saw the picture at my back [on the video screen], I couldn’t take it. I controlled myself at that time. So it was, it is, very hard.”
And: "without saying a thing, all the world, all America, felt my pain. I am a Gold Star mother. Whoever saw me felt me in their heart.”
Shame on you Mr. Trump.
Then the silver spoon baby retorted about his sacrifices matching the Khan's: "“Oh, sure. I think they’re sacrifices. I think when I can employ thousands and thousands of people, take care of their education, take care of so many things….I was very responsible, along with a group of people, for getting the Vietnam Memorial built in downtown Manhattan, which to this day people thank me for. I raised and I have raised millions of dollars for the vets, I’m helping the vets a lot, I think my popularity with the vets is through the roof.”
The response was quick: "Paul Rieckhoff, the founder and CEO of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, tweeted: “For ANYONE to compare their ‘sacrifice’ to a Gold Star family member is foolish, insulting and ignorant.” And: “Especially someone who has never served in the military himself and has no children serving.” And: “Our count[r]y’s been at war for a over a decade & the truth is most Americans sacrificed nothing. Most of them are grounded enough to admit it.”
Then this story surfaced: " http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/30/trump-busted-huge-lie-helping-build-vietnam-war-memorial.html\" But he supposedly did give $1M to the 1985 version of the project even if he didn't attend any meetings. Funny thing though, there were lots of contributors and the total cost was about $1M....... Hey Lucy --- I smell a follow-up coming.....
After 9/11, the memorial required over $7M in restoration and Trump was no where to be found even though he took a $150,000 recovery grant destined to rebuild damaged properties of which Mr. Trump had done (unless he claimed the memorial.....:>)
Criminals who don't get caught are starting to look better than Con Men who do.
Republicrats suck.
Please tell me all of you aren't just figuring this out now!
Oh, and are you really arguing about hats and the companies who make them? This really is the weirdest election cycle I've ever seen.
Not sure I will ever understand the Republicrat philosophy of threatening your neighbor unnecessarily just because you want something you can't get without using force. Republicrats not only suck, they are greedy, selfish suckers at that! ;-)
If all you have is a hammer everything is a nail unfortunately - we should spin up a Gary Johnson / libertarian thread - suggested topic your right to Swing your arms ends where my nose begins
Wow! How about everyone is entitled to their own political views and neither side sucks?
JIT, I'm a little taken back, you've always been the voice of reason and made a lot of sense, a really smart guy...
Agreed - We respect proples options here just saying the debates have been frustrating :)
"Wow! How about everyone is entitled to their own political views and neither side sucks?
JIT, I'm a little taken back, you've always been the voice of reason and made a lot of sense, a really smart guy.."
Thanks for the partial compliment positive. If you recognize my abilities for reasoning then I'm not sure why you think I'm not smart enough to see things from a different perspective.
I read an article the other day that made a great point that I'd like to convey. Basically it said that the President is not an all-knowing "Wizard of US". He/she is just a person with the same analytical brain as the rest of us, hopefully smart enough to make decisions on our behalf that are good for everyone. But to make those decisions he/she has to rely on others to provide accurate information. A very large number of others actually, a complex subsystem of government that gathers and collects information to present in an easily digestible form the President can use. Since I'm using the term "Republicrats", I'm sure you can guess that the implication is that those providing the information have the ability to "manage the message", so to speak, and directly control and set the tone for political discussion.
In a nut shell, what I'm saying is that there are "master manipulators" everywhere constantly pulling our collective levers and pushing our buttons. Their goal isn't to convey what's real in the world. Their goal is to manipulate the people into making emotionally charged decisions. Decisions that serve a particular purpose that is rarely the same as the voters intended.
Russia is to blame for Hillary's woes? A Chinese manufactured hat is all the reason one needs to send Trump packing?
Yes, Republicrats suck majorly, primarily because of their non-stop manipulations of reality. And it seems that most of us buy into it. How utterly sad is that?
"Saying one thing and doing another. That's the Trump con. Gets you to vote with your heart, based on your fears, and not your mind."
OMG, I can't believe I missed this comment earlier!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! If I could have seen you while typing I bet you would have had a completely straight face writing that remark too! HA HA HA HA!!!!!! That's just classic!
Thanks for that. I'll be laughing all day long at that one!
Kaaaaaaaahn........says the conman.....
I would hope we would elect somebody with more than "the same analytical brain as the rest of us, hopefully smart enough to make decisions on our behalf that are good for everyone" for the top job in America. Sure, at some level we all share the same DNA. That's a start but only part of it. Maybe not an all-knowing Wizard but at least in the top percentile. Joe six pack, or myself, just wouldn't cut it. And I not only expect my President to gain consensus based on divining the accurate truth from our complex and sometimes contrived web of partisan, biased and unbiased "analytical" sources, in order to do the will of the people, but I also expect the President to rise above that and LEAD the people upon occasion.
It can be a very lonely and personally dangerous job. Dropping the bomb on Japan was not a consensus decision, it was very personal.
Ask not what your country..... was not a consensus decision. Civil rights was not consensus. ObamaCare, while a Republican concept, ended up not being consensus.
While you can realize and deploy all the analytical truths in the world, ultimately all the HUGE decisions will be made with your gut. There's an inanimate wizard-like magic about those tough choices.
Reagan wanted to end the cold war. So he recklessly ratchets up the arms race threatening world-ware and spending us into a debt recession without a clue the actual economic situation in Russia. Could of been world-wide disaster until voila --- the Russians go broke, quit and tear down the wall to avoid social turmoil. Gut call --- Reagan didn't have an analytical clue. He didn't know the Russian situation, he just felt winning the arms race to have the most weapons was right. Right call, he went with his gut based on what he knew but more importantly --- felt.
Just saying.
I sort of disregard your fascination with manipulation feeling its your own personal issue where you to try to manipulate us to your point of view :>) As I said before, almost every dealing between two or more people is manipulation at some level. These little things like the hats, or the Russians are just pieces ultimately of the character puzzle which, in this election, was bound to find its way to the gutter before the end. And we are not even close to the bottom yet given how flawed both of these characters are.
I liked your concept though of "what is a President." Seemed simple enough and expected to instantly google a set of characteristics to better answer the wizard versus analytic conundrum. Wow, the best I could get on the initial search was just a job specification.... Expected a deeper philosophical treatise for the question. But let's start with the job posting from the Constitution:
"The US Constitution contains the only official “job description” for the President of the United States. According to Article II, Sections 2 and 3, the President:
1) Is the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States, and of each state’s militia when the nation has need of it
2) Has power to obtain information and opinions from heads of the executive departments
3) May grant pardons and reprieves for crimes against the United States
4) Makes treaties with other countries with the approval of the Senate
5) Appoints ambassadors, federal judges and heads of executive departments – all subject to the approval of the Senate; the President also has power to fill any vacancies that may happen while the Senate is in recess
6) Must report to Congress from time to time about the state of the union and recommend whatever measures he thinks are necessary
7) May call members of Congress together on extraordinary occasions, as well as adjourn their meetings when they cannot agree on their own about when to do this
8) Receives foreign ambassadors and other public officials
9) Is responsible for enforcing the nation’s laws
10) Issues commissions to all officers of the United States."
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0ahUKEwjfjcijlKDOAhWDOiYKHf-GABcQFgg1MAQ&url= http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jfklibrary.org%2F~%2Fmedia%2Fassets%2FEducation%2520and%2520Public%2520Programs%2FEducation%2Fmiddle%2520school%2520programs%2FThe%2520Presidents%2520Job%2520According%2520to%2520the%2520Constitution.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHwk53DN53qSEXZ_VzFPKWHs2iLeQ
It's got to be deeper than that..... :>)
"I sort of disregard your fascination with manipulation feeling its your own personal issue where you to try to manipulate us to your point of view :>)"
And I yours. BTW, which of us is the one who uses this site as his personal blog, relentlessly pushing his version of reality onto the readership? ;-)
"As I said before, almost every dealing between two or more people is manipulation at some level."
No, it's not. That is *your* way of dealing with other people, not everyone's. Sadly though, I do think that the majority of people do behave as you do with the manipulation, which is why there's absolutely nothing surprising about the current status of our society and it's inevitable direction.
So thanks for at least fessing up that your methods of interaction always involve a bit of manipulation. But does it ever get tiring taking the view that everyone else is always wrong and you are always right? I mean, surely you must understand that right and wrong based on YOUR particular set of values (or lack thereof depending on perspective) is never going to be the same "right and wrong" as defined by others? As much as you despise it, people are and will always be individuals no matter how much you try to manipulate them into seeing the world the same way you do (which, to summarize, is basically theft-by-government to get you the things you want).
Don't fall off that pedestal JIT. It's a long ways down.
As you try to manipulate and demean me to your point of view thinking you are right and others are wrong......
Of course on this site I am more wrong than right given the site is much more right than not. And you are right: I am here, I have an opinion and I have a lot of great facts.
But hey, this is about Trump.....
How many Trumps does it take to change a light bulb?
It only takes one Trump to do anything. He can even Make America Great Again all by himself.
How many Trumps does it take to run a corporation?
It takes a village of Trumps to run a corporation; they fight over the light bulbs.
I was reading the on-line version of Trump’s book but got confused. Every time I clicked on a topic, it took me to Chapter 11
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day.
Trump asked: is that the best you can do? People who rest are lazy. I can do better.
Fear is the Path to the dark side. Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, and Hate leads to the Republican Nomination. Fear the dark side.
Some of these are from: http://www.jokes4us.com/celebrityjokes/donaldtrumpjokes.html
Yeah, you can never be disappointed if your standards are low. I get it, and it explains quite a lot....
Ohhh, a mean demean. Let's get personal, personal. Excellent.... More on Trump....
What does Melania see in Donald Trump?
"Ten billion dollars, old age and high cholesterol! Have another steak darhlink.”
What will Donald Trump do after deporting all illegals?
Pay more for his hired help.
How does Donald Trump plan on deporting 12 million illegals?
Juan by Juan.
Why are Muslims worried about Trumps immigration plans?
Once you deport Juan you just gotta deport Jamal.
If liberals play the race card and women pull the gender card, what’s left for angry white men?
The Trump Card
What does Trump call his tax plan?
Christmas in April.
What do Trump’s kid call his tax plan, the movie?
Inherit From the Big Wind.
And to close: Why does the Donald sleep with a potato in his briefs?
Because he wants to wake up some day as America's First Dictator.
http://www.jokes4us.com/celebrityjokes/donaldtrumpjokes.html
Just when you think that Trump can't get any worse, he continues his temper tantrum against the Khan family. It was bad enough that he compares his financial sacrifices with the loss of a child who was KIA and that he attacks the spouse for remaining silent considering his 3rd spouse is most often silent.
What Trump said about the Khan family is deplorable.
Trump is the smallest useless particle on this planet.
He has no intrinsic value.
Just as shameful as how the left treated the mother of Sean Smith who was killed in Bengazi. Hillary pretty much called her a liar again yesterday in the interview on Fox. Told her it was because of a video when she knew dam well it wasn't and then said she would find out who did it. Still waiting for that answer. Maybe it's in one of the 30,000 deleted emails
Best you can do is deflect the comments - pathetic. Trump is wrong and it's not the first comment against the military - his attacks against McCain were equally disgusting. If Clinton has attacked Mrs. Smith then shame on her and I have no problem admitting that.
I didn't deflect any comments. I said it was just as shameful. And yes, Hillary did attack Mrs. Smith right along with the main stream media. So maybe I'm not so pathetic. Just stating facts that don't fit your narrative. Oh, by the way, she did delete 30,000 emails. Fact not fiction!!
Hardly admitting Trump said anything wrong but following on the same deflection tactic.... where are Trump's tax returns? He clearly is hiding information by being the only candidate in 40 years not to release the information. Wonder what he is so afraid of.
I guess Trump can't stand criticism - has to respond - has to. I believe he has said that as president he would crack down on people saying bad things about him through the media. What does that mean?
Where are his tax returns? Where are her 30,000 deleted emails? Where are the transcripts for all the Wall Street speeches she made, where are the financial records on the Clinton foundation and who are the donors and where did the money go?
"I guess Trump can't stand criticism - has to respond - has to. I believe he has said that as president he would crack down on people saying bad things about him through the media. What does that mean?" ---- jd2
For one thing, it means denying freedom of speech.
It's unconstitutional.
Mr. Khan was right --- has Trump ever read the Constitution?
For another , it means he is by no means an adult, but is a pathetic cry baby. He has the mentality and personality of a child. It means he is a narcissist. It means he is NOT a person who should be in control of our country.
"has Trump ever read the Constitution?"
Well we certainly know Obama hasn't. (Actually, he has, and he disagrees with it: he literally said so)
I have found this thread highly entertaining. The level of hypocrisy from the left has reached YUUUUGE levels. It's gonna' be a good 4 years here on HL...
And I will re-state, for those of you who STILL don't know, I am NOT a "Trump guy". Trump was NOT my guy in the primaries. But if I decide to vote for the lesser of 2 evils again, it'll certainly be an easy choice.
You people need to wake up and realize who is evil in this world. If Trump is evil what do you call the terrorist who have killed innocent people? Get a grip.
Well jr, I think you literally said exactly what you believe Obama literally believes Literally.
Ollie: can you make that multiple choice?
Narcissist. The main condition of an absolute narcissist is the inability to feel and express empathy , concern, compassion, kindness. BUT we can all be narcissistic at times. The real difference in determining Narcissism is the Frequency, Intensity, Duration.
Are we narcissistic once a week for 10 minutes and a 2 on a scale of 1-10 ?
Or are we narcissistic every day for hours and a 9 on a scale of 1-10.
People can confuse narcissism with standing up for one's self.
Narcissism is usually a YOU statement, You did this you did that.
Standing up is usually an I statement, I take responsibility for ........ I understand.....
Just wanted to make a comment. Thanks for listening.
just coach I just wanted to make a note that all of the 2A guys pretty much have made statements that they are not pro trump but more anti Clinton
There is no mutual exclusivity on evil - terrorists, murderers, other people can all be evil at the same time.
SD: I'm SURE you see it his way, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMJS4CP3OC0
"all of the 2A guys pretty much have made statements that they are not pro trump but more anti Clinton"
Yep, if I have to vote for Trump to ensure Hillary stays out of the White House, so be it.
It may end up that Trump isn't great for 2A rights, but I know without a doubt that Hillary will be absolutely horrible for them.
(...and if you think she gives a rat's patootie about any of your other rights, think again.)
Long day, but need to ask a question: What's the hubbub about the soldier? Something Trump said, did or what? Are the crazed emotional responses due to just his words being anti-military, was he degrading to the family, or what? The few articles I've scanned this evening haven't really come to the point but rather have been nothing but hateful in response. Sooo... original remarks and context?
edit: Just found some references. Inconsiderate jerk for sure.
But I gotta tell ya, I am absolutely loving seeing the press and politicians squirm (and of course the arrogant Republicrats who of course know all there is to know lol). Change needs to happen, and it won't be pretty, so better fasten your seat belts and get ready. Trump won't be our next President, but he's a harbinger of what lies ahead. All the reasons have been discussed ad nauseum here and elsewhere, all the while heads remain fixed in the sand. Better get used to it!
"Trump won't be our next President"
I wouldn't put money on that... at this point, it's anybody's race. All it'll take is one big skeleton to rear it's ugly head...
JR, I actually agree with Trump - somehow, some way, those in power will prevent him from becoming President. There's just too many people in power afraid of him.
Good one JR.
Agree with Trump JIT? Hopefully not about the Khan's. That would be weird.
By all considerate and compassionate reasoning, Trump should have either left the Khan's alone or felt-their-pain and thanked them for their son's "last measure of full devotion."
But attack he did. And with his record, it's even a more egregious sin: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/donald-trump-draft-record.html?_r=0 No Trump ever served and this one ducked. How did he go from 1Y for a temporary conditions to a 4F permeant condition for a condition that he never received medical treatment for? According to Trump, it just went away. Probably right after Nixon signed the Peace Accord.
Pence was much more gracious: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/07/31/pence-releases-statement-captain-humayun-khan/87899340/
Most Republicans have disavowed Trump's comments on this but no one has removed their endorsement.
Trump's team immediately wrote to Congress asking for support and including talking points for the Congress-people to parrot. No takers: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-congress_us_579fc591e4b0693164c24fdf
This is what Trump said:
"I saw him. He was very emotional, and probably looked like a nice guy to me. His wife, if you look at his wife she was standing there, she had nothing to say. Probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say, you tell me, but plenty of people have written that. She was extremely quiet and it looked like she had nothing to say, a lot of people have said that, and personally I watched him, I wish him the best of luck."
How did he insult the military with this statement? Hillary flat out called the Benghazi mother a liar. Trump gets blasted for assuming this woman couldn't speak. All he did was say what a lot of people were thinking. People need to wake up. We've become a society of coddled cry babies... The founding fathers are turning over in their graves as we speak.... If Hillary is elected it will be more of the same...
Now Trump is whining on about the debates, scheduled over a year ago, that he suddenly recognized at Hillary "rigging' the game against him.
""Well, I tell you what I don’t like, it’s against two NFL games. I got a letter from the NFL saying this is ridiculous, why are the debates against — because the NFL doesn’t want to go against the debates because the debates are going to be pretty massive, from what I understand …"
Wow, I though Trump was bigger than the NFL.....
NFL never wrote the letter.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/08/02/fact-check-trump-debate-claim-nfl/87949280/
Many folks immediately jumped on the conspiracy theory that Trump is just plain chicken to meet Hillary in debate and the less and farther out they are ---- the better for him. Has he ever skipped a debate before? Heh, heh.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/is-trump-laying-the-groundwork-for-skipping-the-presidential-debates/493889/
Does Trump's chicken call sound like: 'barack, barack, barack...."
As I have said all along, the next incarnation of Trump will be: "Trump --- the art of rigging the game." A news exposé opinion hour on Fox.
DannyC - Possible but not likely; Hillary has been at this much of her life. It is the novice, like Trump, who can easily self-destruct.
Better to self-destruct as a candidate than as an office-holder.
"Trump will kill his own election, by just being himself."
That's what they said through the primaries... they were wrong.
"I really am starting to think Trump wants no part of being POTUS."
That's entirely possible, which would mean he is a Hillary/democrat plant. Guess we'll find out, eventually.
Trump's sanity now being questioned.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-sanity-mental-health-000000384.html
I wonder how a replacement would be selected, if it comes to that.
His sanity? That's hilarious. He's alot of things, but insane isn't one of them. Just another straw to grasp at.
He has been absolutely bulletproof so far. Still waiting for a skeleton big enough to harm him to fall out of the closet. No one has even come close.
jd2 - The question is not hypothetical, it came up with regard to Reagan and Alzheimers. If the President is unfit physically or mentally the succession is very well defined in the Constitution. VP, then Speaker of the House, Senate Pro Tem, Sec of State, Sec of Treas, through the whole cabinet including Attorney General, etc.
GC - I meant, how would the Republicans replace him as their candidate if needed before November.
I said that way back in Dec.15 in the post "Would you vote for Donald Trump for President Poll"
I said:
"Trump most likely suffers from a neurological disorder. Once he drops out, he will be a good subject for a PHD thesis."
And Hillary is bulletproof until Wikileaks releases more emails.... right.
You people who are hoping beyond hope that Trump is somehow "disqualified" are dreaming. Not gonna' happen. Just like likely felonious-treasonous Hillary ain't gonna' get disqualified, either. Just like likely-not-born-in-America Obama didn't get disqualified.
You only want Trump disqualified because you know he can beat her- she can quite possibly lose with Trump running. You're terrified. And I'm finding the whole mess quite entertaining.
I'm so tired of hearing the tax return crap. How about her releasing the speeches to Wall Street, the finance report and donation list on the Clinton foundation and where the money went. What's she afraid of that there might be some connection to Russia? You keep worrying about Trump's tax return.
Deflection again .... Trump's returns are relevant to his claims of wealth, philanthropy, tax % and perhaps confirmation of the money he has borrowed from his friends in Russia or perhaps the Prince from Saudi Arabia that he loaned him millions of dollars on several occasions.
And none of those things about Hillary are relevant to her and her claims how she hates wall street and the foundations possible connections to Russia. I believe there is something about selling uranium to someone as well and mismanagement of money raised for Haiti. You're right, I see no relevancy either. Silly me!
OMG!!
Can someone give JeffersonRepub a crash course in history? He doesn't seem to know that Hawaii is a state of America.
LOL
"Can someone give JeffersonRepub a crash course in history? He doesn't seem to know that Hawaii is a state of America. "
That's more easily provable than Barry's birthplace "LOL".
And- I'm not saying he WASN'T born here, I'm saying that they can SHOW YOU ANYTHING YOU WANT AND YOU'LL BELIEVE IT. I'm 100% sure that if Trump's birthplace was in question all you libs would be up in arms demanding a birth certificate, and then when he produced one, claiming it was "faked"... they really have us wrapped around their little finger with their clever little 2-party system of good cop bad cop, it's shame alot of you haven't progressed enough to realize that yet. That's why we are likely doomed.
And at happiestgirl's claimed advanced age, she should really have figured this out by now....
Trump is not "disqualified" he is just "unqualified". And it's not that we are worried that could beat Hillary as much as we feel we deserve better. Better then both candidates quite frankly but at least better than his guy
I love it when supporters try to deflect Trump's failures by using really fake claims. Tax returns for Clinton have already released and Trump is clearly afraid to release his despite knowing that the standard was to release these returns. He has tried every lie in the book to avoid doing so.
Trump has a fundraiser for veterans. The money raised was $6 million, the money given to veterans was $800,000. That result means Trump retained 86% of the funds raised. So, when Trump slanders the Clinton Foundation as fraudulent, a charity that uses 86% of its funds on its programs for women and children's health worldwide and 14% on administration, remember who the real fraud is.
One bad thing about Trump losing, if he loses, is that his supporters will never realize how incompetent he would have been as president.
This is hilarious! Trump has taken reality TV entertainment and flipped it on its head. Think "The Truman Show" in reverse. The main character, Trump, is the only one that knows it's a show. The rest of the cast - Republicrats in this case - think it's real. Trump orchestrates events specifically meant to pull the obvious emotional stings of both partys, and everyone's emotional brain dutifully takes over and fuels his ego!
Umm, when people say stupid stuff to get attention, and others willingly give it to them, who's the puppeteer and who's the puppet?
Stop and think people. Take a breath and reflect on how your reactions are feeding the monster.
This environment is completely ridiculous and is set up for a huge release if we all don't relax a bit.
I can't help but wonder what people outside the US think when they see just how easily our collective emotions can be manipulated.
Oh, and this isn't directed toward you MM, you're already aware of the power of manipulation and attempt to exercise it daily (key word attempt) ;-)
I can't help but wonder what people who are outside the US think of the administration we've had for the last 7 and a half years. After running around the world on the apology tours I'm sure they think we are the fools we are. Maybe John Kerry and James Taylor can sing a duet and we can all be friends again.
One good thing if Hillary loses we may find out what crooks she and Bill and that foundation of theirs. Which for some reason, was never mentioned at the convention. Surprising for something that suppose to be wonderful.
"I can't help but wonder what people who are outside the US think of the administration we've had for the last 7 and a half years."
Not sure about those thoughts... but a co-worker of mine was just in Dubai and he said everyone over there is getting a kick out of this campaign season. It's like a sitcom for them (something different, since they don't have elections...)
Well I think most NATO countries not footing their bills are afraid. Crimea and Ukraine are suicidal. Trump just through them under the bus driven by Putin. Mexico is laughing at wall payments. And the rest of world just shakes its head, sighs, and wonders how low can we go.
Ollie's fascination with the Clinton Foundation is amazingly light headed. First, why would they mention it at the convention? Did Trump mention his? But he advertised his businesses... Ollie, the donor list is available from many places: here's one: https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors Likewise, where it is being spent is listed too. Not sure why you can't find it. The fact they took money from Saudi Arabia and spent it on good works is a fact. Hillary making law because of this is not.
Speeches. I agree. Hillary should release hers when Trump releases his. On the speech money, Trump commands a much higher fee and has racked in many more speaking bucks than Hillary. So when it comes to buying favoritism, Trump is much more at risk. I would think you would applaud Hillary taking big bucks from the banks for just words..... :-)
On the taxes --- well, we all know why Trump won't divulge. There's nothing stopping him from turning over the current year and certainly nothing stopping him from divulging past years. Hillary has divulged years worth.
On stealing --- Trump is worth $10B; that came from somewhere including Trump University cons, bankruptcies where he walked off with bags of money and workers, investors, and contractors were left holding an empty bag, a TV show that fired more people than it hired, mafia contractors, land deals, and investments, foreign low cost workers replacing Americans, and plastering his name across all sorts of foreign-made crap. Clinton worth a little over $31M. We could add Bill in but then we need to add Trump's entire family since part of his scam is to hire them as VPs and shuttle bucks off his back. So ---- if there's stealin goin on, who has stolen more?
On the debates --- he is just setting up to duck the debates because his risk of dumping is less than his risk of appearing.
On the puppet show --- well, whatever it is, it is not a game and is serious stuff. It matters to all of us, both sides, as to our safety and future. We may differ in our beliefs as to direction, but I think most agree it is important and not a game. Both sides are indeed splitting into a four-party system and if Hillary get elected, no doubt that the Bernie crowd will ultimately feel ripped off since every compromise will go against them.
On Jr.... what can I say. Birther, treason, felon, whatever ----- prove it. No one else has. You left out liar though and on that one, you have a winner.
Trump will not be disqualified. But he can quit. In which case, the RNC might promote Pence or, more likely, figure out some voting mechanism. But difficult to remove endorsements since around 50% of the base would vote against any Republican who did. Thus even McCain is standing firm.......so far. But the list of Republicans, not in office or not having endorsed Trump, that will not vote for him is growing....and growing....
Doonesbury entering the fray with his 30-year view of Trump in the comics...... https://www.google.com/search?q=doonesbury+trump&rlz=1T4GUEA_enUS693US694&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3r9bTqqXOAhVEXD4KHX-NAH0QsAQIJw&biw=1280&bih=587#imgrc=BXGTbF1V3AMWSM%3A
Having family abroad in Germany and Portugal l can tell you that Obama is seen as a real statesman and mainly positive. And they are totally shaking their heads that a sizeable chunk of the American population is seriously considering Donald Trump for President. So sorry to disappoint, ollie.
"I can't help but wonder what people who are outside the US think of the administration we've had for the last 7 and a half years"
according to 2015 report, world has had mostly favorable view of Obama. Now Trump on the other hand is being laughed at all over Europe and beyond
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/06/24/7-charts-on-how-the-world-views-president-obama/
well this story should scare the crap out of people.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-asks-why-us-cant-use-nukes-msnbcs-joe-scarborough-reports.html
Maybe he just wants to nuke that little crying baby :>)
More on the Russian connection.
Manafort’s ties to Ukraine and Russia run deep over the past three decades: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/us/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html?_r=0
Maybe Trump doesn’t know since he’s bonehead-stupid on the Ukraine and most foreign affairs: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/opinions/trump-on-ukraine-opinion-zelizer/
Suddenly the entire Republican policy and platform stance on the Ukraine changes overnight.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-manafort-ukraine-crimea-russia-226573
And now it’s he said, she said: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-ukraine-putin_us_579e5a56e4b0693164c19e09
In Trump's own words "What the hell is going on?"
So why do you think Donald Trump so frequently, almost always, repeats himself. He seems to be a serial repeater. Very strange. Very strange. Good thing he is rather monosyllabic otherwise it would take him forever to say anything.
RAD From the article (emphasis mine):
"Donald Trump asked a foreign policy expert advising him why the U.S. can't use nuclear weapons, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said on the air Wednesday, citing an *unnamed source* who *claimed* he had spoken with the GOP presidential nominee."
In the real world we call that hearsay. Perhaps Trump did ask questions about nuclear weapons (or perhaps not) but I would think that's quite a valid topic for a presidential candidate who would be responsible for their use (either in actuality or as a deterrent).
strangerdanger - Thanks for the Doonesbury cartoons...Good stuff..."believe me...I can tell you that."
I just wondered about this yesterday (what if a candidate has to be replaced) - and here's an answer hot off the press today:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/what-happens-if-a-candidate-say-donald-trump-drops-out-of-the-presidential-race.html
its like his campaign just can't keep getting in their own way.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-spokeswoman-blames-obama-for-2004-death-of-capt-khan-226598
Good old JR never met a conspiracy theory he didn't like yes JR Hawaii is a state and even in your conspiracy fantasy that he was born in Kenya his mother was still a United States citizen which makes him a United States citizen asked Ted Cruz about that
A promotional booklet published by Barack Obama's literary agents in 1991 state, "Barack Obama, the first African-American president of Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii." - that's people that work for Obama stating that not trump or anyone else
Obama does not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen under the constitution - U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for “ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Obama's mother was 18 when he was born which means she did not meet this requirement.
I tend to believe his staff - he was born in Kenya
fact check further adds: Andrew Breitbart was never a "Birther," and Breitbart News is a site that has never advocated the narrative of "Birtherism." In fact, Andrew believed, as we do, that President Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, on August 4, 1961.
... [W]e discovered, and now present, the booklet described below — one that includes a marketing pitch for a forthcoming book by a then-young, otherwise unknown former president of the Harvard Law Review.
It is evidence — not of the President's foreign origin, but that Barack Obama's public persona has perhaps been presented differently at different times.
Interesting.... so NOW Breitbart is a RELIABLE news source, since it says what YOU (the left) want it to? Interesting.....
Skippy - I'm sorry. I really am. You're posting internet hoaxes. The lady that wrote that wasn't his staff, but an employee of his publisher. Back in 2012 she also admitted quickly that she never checked up on that, and that it was all written without Obama's help or acknowledgement. I'm sorry you've fallen into BD's infamous "confirmation bias" trap. What's with the drudging up yesterday's trash? Obama on the Trump thread? Transference isn't one of the stages of recovery. Let it go.
Wow. Kudos for Skippy for uncovering that groundbreaking piece of evidence first uncovered in 2012.
Four years later and Skippy still can't find where the person responsible claimed the mistake and zero input or communication with Obama before publishing.
Four years later and Skippy now says here's the truth and yet Obama is still in office
Man, that Obama is good.
JR brought up Obama ----- it figures, doesn't it.
Then Skippy joined the bandwagon.
JR likes to call some people "terrified" ---- but HE is the one who is terrified, or he wouldn't be drudging up yesterdays trash.
As for Skippy ---- you believe internet hoaxes over a LEGAL DOCUMENT called a birth certificate?
LOL
Meanwhile, Trump support is crumbling away.... and away ..... and away .....
Nothing to let go - I'm just saying again someone who worked for him published that - it happened - not an internet hoax - if it's true the he is not eligible. how Would his publicist make that up if someone did not tell her that - someone who works for Obama made that statement.
anyway it's a dead issue. On to 8 more years
I also never declared it to be breaking news - just defending my man JR
Interesting sentence by the Trumpster: Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
Danny -
The Trump quotes that 4catmom posted give a clear message:
Trump is an illiterate idiot.
Trump attended Fordham University for two years. And graduated from the Wharton School of Finance and Commerce with a BS in real estate studies - he stared but did not complete his MBA -you can say a lot about trump but being illiterate is not really appropriate
It doesn't make any difference where he was born he'll more than likely will go down in history as one of the worst presidents this country has ever had. He should rank right up there with carter and clinton. The only good thing about him is he will be the former president.
Really Skippy?
Diplomas mean nothing.
How many people go through the system and can't read or write?
Read that above quote again.
What language is Trump speaking?
It's certainly not English.
lol
Same can be said for the opponent unfortunately
This is not the public school system - it's an Ivy League baccalaureate program for starters and it is a ploy to appeal to his constituency which is working class white males in the flyover states - it states that he is playing to his audience
omg Skippy ---- the man can't speak!
He is an unintelligible idiot.
He is the laughing stock of the world.
You think where a person goes to school determines their intelligence? How about where a person is born or where they live. Do you think that can determine their intelligence?
No but you set the bar low - to fill out the application he needs to be able to read - and you're not going to bait me into some psychobabble - I'm saying I am fully confident trump can read and write English.
Trump is from forest park queens - not the literary capital of the us - but he also didn't attend the schools.
Putin seems to think he's pretty cool - just sayin
I also like how you can cast aspersions on anyone and anything you oppose - almost as an offense du jour - and that's somehow ok. Even to people who treat you with dignity and respect as a fellow poster
Be nice - lets not call people idiots and cast personal aspersions - I want to get along with everyone here, you included.
"the man can't speak!"
This coming from the person who posts just about every single message with sms abbreviations and fragmented sentences is somewhat hypocritical.......
"He is an unintelligible idiot."
Must be why he is so successful.....lack of intelligence......right.......
"He is the laughing stock of the world."
In case you have not noticed, America is the laughing stock of the world, and has been for quite some time now.
Trimp's Dad bought his way into Wharton when he couldn't cut Fordham. Don't you think his degree was bought too?
Well Tman, if Obama ranks with Clinton, thag's really good. Thanks.
Seems the Trumpers not talking Trump too much lately..,,,
"America is the laughing stock of the world, and has been for quite some time now."
7 1/2 yrs. to be exact.
Ha ha, ok Skippy The language Trump speaks is coherent. It is proper English ----- the English that Ivy League graduates speak.
Ha-ha, nothing more to be said.
On another note, there are many rich people that *buy* their children's way into Ivy League schools. You knew that, right??
Um without trying to cast aspersions, every time I have heard Trump speak I thought the same thing. When he talks if you listen to all the words he just doesn't sound coherent. I know that happens to other politicians too because they're trying to tap dance all the time. But Trump is not a graceful tap dancer.
RAS Making fun of how Trump speaks? Have you listened to Shrillary? Good grief, get that women some speech therapy.
I never said that HG - I said he was literate - and I said his public speech was a tactic to appeal to his voters and strategic - even if his admission was bought he performed- is your indictment to include Fordham and Walton now - his father bought 2 Ivy League schools to guarantee he graduated. 30 years before he was a presidential candidate. Yes I'm the idiot HG.. You speak the truth. Lay some more education on me. I have a thirst for knowledge.
And SD slow your roll - you know better
As I thought you have no point - are you done or do you need more attention - we can go on should you desire
I thought you had a "thirst for knowledge"?
I gave you some heartfelt advice.
You know, you make everything about YOU.
But this isn't about you -- I wrote about TRUMP.
I'm sorry if you don't like my opinion.
My opinion is he is incoherent and illiterate.
You can have your own opinion --- but that is my opinion about Trump.
OK??????????????
I understand that an inferior intellect such as yourself has a Manichean outlook on the world—everything is either good or evil. Good people agree with you, and people who don’t are evil. In addition, your view of the world is “horribly patronising, two-dimensional and depressing.”
For example, you believe women are always victims and that African Americans need special treatment in order to achieve at the level of Caucasians . You claim to be nonjudgmental, constantly judge people based on race, sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity, particularly if they are straight, white, and male. - upset yet? Do you want to claim a win?
happiest girl and skippy - Please knock it off. How about discussing the important things going on in this crazy world?
OMG LOL LMAFO - Rhetoric is a type of persuasion that uses figures of speech or emotional ploys but lacks meaningful content which is what you attempt to employ. Rhetoric relies on what Aristotle calls enthymemes, which are incomplete logical syllogisms or invalid arguments - you ate apparent an expert / would you like to continue to open your mouth in a public forum or will you retire to your chicken tendies
Apparently, some of the head GOP'ers are trying to have an intervention with Trump to get his campaign from completely going off the tracks. But I think the wheels have already just about come off. (Yay!)
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-allies-plot-candidate-intervention-after-disastrous-48-hours.html
Actually, I'm the furthest thing from terrified- I no longer give a shit because most of you are too ignorant or blind to elect anyone worth serving. Plus, I'm armed- so there's that ;)
But seriously folks, I don't think Trump is going to be the "champion" his supporters think he's going to be if elected, but it's impossible for him to be worse than Obama or Hillary.
Makes little difference to me- I've gone to the Gulch.
"He is the laughing stock of the world."
Well, apparently not for HALF of America, since they've nominated him to run for president. And, frankly, only in a liberal-brainwashed mind such as yours (I still say you JUST got out of college, that's why your a rabid socialist... I'm going to have to see a birth certificate to ever believe you have the advanced years on you that you claim to, no one with that much life's wisdom could be so ignorant & blindly faithful to a political party. But then, maybe I give you too much credit...)
DannyC- that is what they are doing. And frankly, getting a little tied of you bitching about what everybody "should" be discussing... who died and made you moderator??? (all due respect, because we see eye-to-eye on alot of stuff. But cool it.... we are all here TALKING, that's what forums are for)
JR --- the world is also laughing at "the half of America" that supports him.
By the way ----- your repeated statements about my age are sooooo, soooooo old .......
repeat yourself over and over and over and over when you have nothing intelligent to say, that's your style I guess.
Ok I'll back off no nasty comments until you do HG
robe and done - happy to oblige - I'm with JR the gun guys on here are from what I have experienced privately libertarian - they don't care she's or whom y'all elect as long as your laws don't effect them / which means regulate the shit out of soybeans - the minute you talk about guns you mess with the whole trailer park - me included.
You love someone - marry them regardless of sex
You gotta pee ? Use the potty of your choice
You are xyz race and xyz sexual and wanna Xyz yeah whatever - you got our nod - you want to mess with lawful citizens defending our families - you mess with the whole trailer park - and there's more of us than their are or you Bloomberg grass roots citizens - that's the point you will never get
No prob happiestgirl, if Obama can provide a "legitimate" birth certificate, I'm quite sure you could....
I know "old" (by your testimony) people who are democrats... life-long, "I'm-a-democrat-because-my-daddy-was-a-democrat-and-his-daddy-was-a-democrat" democrats. But none as rabidly Hillary-loving and party-blind as you are. Sorry girl, if you're over 26, I'll buy you a steak dinner (altho I'm sure you'd rather have tofu, if I'M buying, it's steak :)
HG lets be adults and have a truce - no more nasty until the other one does so first - deal ?
Sorry for previous misspellings - animated and on cell phone
Let's have a discussion about who can post instantly and in that topic GC - it's apparent my brothers post (JR) was delayed while mine was posted instantly - if you could be apparent with the rules we could abide by them - you can Bury or delete this but we both know it happened
"no more nasty until the other one does so first" ------- Skippy.
(no personal offense to you Skippy -- but I find that a childish statement)
So why did you start the "nasty"
I said nothing personal about you. You started with saying I had an "inferior intellect" and wrote lies that you attributed to me which I NEVER wrote or said.
I don't know why you keep following me around and picking fights with me.
However I see you are now referencing GUNS and TRAILER PARKS --- nothing to do with the topic at hand. I guess that's it....... because I have different views from you, you feel compelled to fight.
Maybe you can take your own advise and stop?
Look I'm gainfully employed and more than 100% utilized - this is a diversion for me - I don't think being from a trailer park is a bad thing -do you?
It you think I harass you call a cop / I will provide my information to any sworn officer who contacts me - lets see who blinks
positive --
I suggest you read in descending sequence all the posts.
All I did was post about Trump -- Skippy initiated personal attacks against me.
Good night.
Don't know what happened, I went to edit and some how my post was deleted. Anyway, happiest..you consistently "do your thing" on many threads not just this one.
You have a gift..you bring out the worst in people.
Sorry but that's how I feel...
That's fine, positive.
I respect your feelings.
Although I don't know what you mean by "do your thing"
I give my opinion on topics just like everyone else.
But I have no respect for people who lie ---- Skippy wrote things that I never said.
Why don't you ask him to produce where on this forum I *supposedly* said the things he wrote.
He can't because they don't exist.
Go ahead and read the posts in descending order.
positive - So you are the judge, jury and executioner of people you don't agree with on this forum? What a joke it is that nothing regarding Trump has been mentioned in the last several posts on this thread. And exactly who is the moderator?
JR --- I'll gladly let you buy me a steak.
My cat loves doggie bags, thanks for treating him.
I didn't elect her into this mark did - so don't arrack her - it's perhaps because she is the voice of reason as a stateswoman of the board and someone who had not expressed an opinion as far as politics - she is a pillar to this community
OK I will grant you that.. it was pretty mutual, however you've set the stage quite some time ago with your antagonist posts and unfortunately people don't forget.
Anyway back to politics, I don't like either nominees.
Danny I was having a discussion with Happiest. Don't you have a plant or a feast to tend to?
Way to go JR completely ignoring my question because it doesn't fit into your conspiracy theory Trump is a compulsive liar he said the NFL sent him a email about the schedule debates the NFL said they sent no such email Hillary Clinton doesn't have to do anything to destroy Trump he will do it himself
People don't forget biased people either, positive.
I suggest you READ, READ, READ !!
Attack her and the whole trailer park is behind her - let it drop
Trump makes me wild and crazy to not verbally assault positive - fun stuff
positive --- being nasty to Danny ??
Want some of your own medicine?
I was having a discussion with Skippy.
Don't you have anything better to do??
poaitive - Not taking your bait this time. But I am gardening herbs and cooking, with big batches of both, and having fun doing it.
Meanwhile, what do you think of the $400 million Iran "ransom" scandal?
Positive has no bait nor dog in this fight disregard - attack me not her it was wrong to pull her in
OK Skippy - Why don't you address your own neighborhood issues in your own state and stop trying to remote control Hackettstown?
Happiest ask Danny about that. Danny what do you think about Pinocchio?
I'll leave it there. Have a good night.
positive - You are one vicious person for disregarding and denying my battle with cancer. On my own without the likes of you, and better off.
Meanwhile, how about the $400 million "ransom" controversy as it relates to the election?
Danny --- forget positive.
I tried to be reasonable and nice with her -- but she resists.
She seems two-faced.
Sad.
I hope you are doing OK --- we have a cancer situation in our family now and it is scary.
Peace to you.
Finally decided today. Voting for Trump. Folks need to feel the consequences of their choices (not just this election cycle, but long term choices - as usual I'm thinking about the economic rickety foundation we collectively abuse to gift everyone all their wants and desires), and I think Trump will accelerate the process nicely. Quite nicely indeed...
Both Republicrats will continue to finance our lifestyles with more debt, but since Trump is really good at making enemies I figure he will crash the system faster.
The sooner the current system fails the sooner we can change to something else. I just hope the new system isn't worse than the current one. But knowing human nature I'm not holding my breath lol
oldred- sorry ol' boy, but there's np point in wasting time on you, as you are as blindly party-devoted as happiestgirl is. For crying out loud, at least strangerdanger and I actually agree on a few things, and he can have a conversation about them, as long-winded as it is. But you oldred, frankly sound like a lunatic- especially when you don't use any punctuation- like a madman on a street corner screaming at everyone and foaming at the mouth.
Besides, Skippy presented exhibit A and exhibit B on your "question"... figured I didn't need to.
HG- nope. My DOG eats steak. No steak for your cat. If I'm buying it, YOU'RE eating it. And I'll still need proof of age.
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming....
Crash the system? Don't you have any concerns about war? I mean he is def good at pissing people off and I'm sure there are leaders who wolnt take his crap. So that being said its a good thing trump will speed up the decline of USA and presumably put us back to war and loose countless money and thousands of young men and women's lives? Yeah that's brilliant are you drunk or a radical Islamic?
"and I'm sure there are leaders who wolnt take his crap"
I would be nice to have an AMERICAN president who "won't take this crap" for a change....
Yep, what would you say if I told you it didn't matter if it were Trump or Clinton elected to be our next Figure Head, that the worries you just conveyed will likely happen anyway? Would you believe me? Probably not, just as a Trump supporter wouldn't believe me either.
My feeling is that it won't matter who the next President is because they don't really run things anyway. They govern within the scope of the law (which itself has been twisted beyond reality and is really what people should be afraid of) and act on information provided by countless advisers within the immensely massive government we currently have.
IOW, a lot more is broken than option R of the next version of a blathering idiot at the controls. The option D blathering idiot will be just as bad.
I just want all the turmoil to end. Get it done and over with. A fresh start where people of true intelligence can put together a system of government that is truly fair and balanced for all. The only problem is finding people of true intelligence lol.
People today don't really understand what it is they are asking of their government. By that I mean that most don't even realize that *every* single thing they ask of their government ultimately results in the form of a Blue uniform with a gun extended toward their neighbors. Do you really think that most people like that concept, being forced to act in ways that go against their individual views just because some lib cries that they don't have something they want or that some scared conservative is afraid of the boogeyman?
No matter, like I said previously the current collective mindset is being controlled by our emotional brains. Only when the logical side takes over will anything change, but it doesn't look like that will happen any time soon...
Speaking of the economy, Moody's is behind Clinton's economic plan. They believe her immigration policy will increase employment. Yes, by bringing in foreigners. From CNN: Moody's found that several of Clinton's key policies would boost the economy: Her immigration proposal would increase the number of skilled workers in the country, more government spending on infrastructure would help business productivity, and her paid family leave proposal would bring more people into the workforce."
Creative. Not. I see qualified citizens in good jobs replaced by foreigners quite frequently. And mom or dad being replaced by anyone while they are being paid by us to stay home is not my idea of how employment should be increased.
I'm not sure about Trump's plan so far,except to get in office long enough to give himself a tax break.
For forget moving out of NJ. Costa Rica is nice to retire to, I hear.
Trump winning in the polls:" Everybody loves me."
Trump losing in the polls :"It's a rigged system."
Funny, when asked about foreign policy, or some IMPORTANT political agenda, he can only come up with one of the following three answers. 1)"We're working on that",2) "We're looking into that" or 3) "Let's move on to the next question."
Then when he is asked about dealing in business, which we all know he can manipulate the numbers, to pay less taxes % wise, than most people who live and work around here, then he is ready for a somewhat, detailed answer.
"Sold one of my Florida mansions to a Russian guy. Nice guy, good friend of mine. I paid $40 million and sold it for $100 million. I've made billions of dollars, over the years because of a small loan of one million dollars from my father in the 70's."( which equates to 15 million today).
Funny how clear his memory is, when describing his business dealings. "He was a Jew... he was a Muslim, he was Latino, he was African American..and we are all very good friends.... nice guys." *ok finger sign floating around him*
Trump is absolutely NOT presidential material. If he can't even behave himself, by listening to his own party and advisors, what makes you think he will listen to the advice of anyone, here or around the globe? He is a "world war three", and another "great depression" in the making! He is too narcissistic, immature and lacking the wisdom and self control, to represent this country. I'm starting to think this whole campaign is one big reality show. Trump..." your fired".... Love, Warren Buffett and friends.
"People today don't really understand what it is they are asking of their government. By that I mean that most don't even realize that *every* single thing they ask of their government ultimately results in the form of a Blue uniform with a gun extended toward their neighbors. "
...and eventually, THEMSELVES...
yankeefan 
I find it both naive and troubling that two people could get this far in the Presidential race with one showing so many signs of emotional amd pyschological dysfunction and the other having a track record of incompetience and political cover-ups. Just as important, what does that say of the American electorate. Something is very wrong.
Spring fever As for the baby incident, I actually find myself on Trump's side. If you were in a movie and there was a screaming baby, wouldn't you expect the parents to remove the child out of common courtesy? Nothing different here, everyone else in that room was there to hear Trump speak, not her kid screaming...
I'm with the trumpies on the baby thing. I don't like screaming babies either. But he could have been more diplomatic like asking an aide to go and personally ask the woman to take the baby outside. Oh and not publicly ridiculing the mother. But that would take some maturity.
""I love babies. I hear that baby cry, I like it," Trump said at a campaign event here as a baby could be heard crying in the audience. "What a baby. What a beautiful baby. Don't worry, don't worry. The mom's running around, like, don't worry about it, you know. It's young and beautiful and healthy and that's what we want."
Two minutes later......
"Actually I was only kidding, you can get the baby out of here," he said to laughs. "I think she really believed me that I love having a baby crying while I'm speaking. That's OK. People don't understand. That's OK."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/donald-trump-ashburn-virginia-crying-baby/
You're correct sir, people don't understand. But we do get you.
But at a rally when Trump mentions Hillary and a 10-year old yells "take the bxxch down!" Trump smiles. That kid can stay.
The mother was already walking out with the baby when he made the comment. You people are beginning to look desperate
This thread is getting very childish.
"But at a rally when Trump mentions Hillary and a 10-year old yells "take the bxxch down!" Trump smiles. That kid can stay."
This is what the scared libs resort to. Are you and happiest girl one in the same?
Trump once again seeing Muslims where others can't. Now it's the "top secret" video of the US unloading pallets of Euro's in Iran. First one has to wonder why Trump is discussing "top secret" information openly but not to worry, Trump campaign says it didn't really happen, US officials say such a tape does not exist.
At least he didn't see Muslim millions cheering this time.
According to Trump: "Now here's the amazing thing. Over there where that plane landed, top secret, they don't have a lot of paparazzi. You know, the paparazzi doesn't do so well over there, right? And they have a perfect tape done by obviously a government camera, and the tape is of the people taking the money off the plane, right? That means that in order to embarrass us further, Iran sent us the tapes, right? It's a military tape. It's a tape that was a perfect angle, nice and steady. Nobody getting nervous because they're going to be shot because they're shooting a picture of morning pouring off a plane."
There is no tape..... http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-top-secret-iran-video-campaign/story?id=41121713
Meanwhile Paul Ryan has sent up the flare saying his endorsement is not a pledge and if Trump strays too far from conservative values, he will withdrawal it.
Meanwhile Pence heartily endorses Ryan, Trump does not.... Today an 11-year old asked: "“I’ve noticed you’ve been softening up on Trump’s words and policies. Is this going to be your role in the administration?” the boy asked Pence as the crowd erupted in laughter. Pence said: "“What I’ve learned, Matthew, and you’ll learn it when you’re governor of North Carolina … Sometimes things don’t come out the way that you mean them,” Pence said. “I couldn’t be more proud to stand with Donald Trump,” Pence added."
Of course maybe he didn't mean it the way he said it or said it the way he meant it or....after he doubles down, goes ugly all over their face, well, you just have to look deeper.... Bottom line: .let's face it ---- Hillary doesn't lie, she just didn't mean it. Trust her.....
I didn't realize how appropriate my new name was for the election year :>)
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/mike-pence-little-boy-town-hall-trump-226666#ixzz4GOn84bv7
What'sa matter MAN, can't handle the truth about what goes on in Trumpolvania?
Trump 10k-20k supporters post convention rallies. Clinton gets a couple hundred. Vp pence at his own rallies is getting multiple thousands showing up. Clinton has a big big problem. The polling data loves her, but the average human being, well that's a different story. She has no fanbase. And btw she wants to raise taxes on the middle class, I heard her say it while reading her teleprompter.
Are we talking Hillary on the Trump thread again? Ah, the ole raise taxes statement which, since you said you heard it, undoubtedly you heard what the audience did too. What do you think ----- welfare, rich, or both?
Perhaps a better description of what happened, but believe what you will. http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/04/hillary-clinton-raise-taxes/
Yes, Trump brings in the crowds. But yet he's afraid of going up against the NFL on Monday Night Debate Night........ Man's got to know his limitations I guess.
The US pays the interest(1.3billion) on the $400 million from a fund via a Fed wire while the $400 million is paid in hard physical cash (Swiss francs and Euros). One of the hostages asks while waiting at the airport what the hold up is as the plane with the pilot are sitting on the tarmac. He is told they have to wait until another plane arrives. Coincidence? I think not.
kb2755 - At last someone on this forum is addressing the relevant issues. IMHO, this was a ransom payment, unprecedented in US history, and very dangerous.
"What'sa matter MAN, can't handle the truth about what goes on in Trumpolvania?"
Where did i mention Trump, Oh Learned One?
Sd, fact is she can't even read a prompter properly, and she reads them at every rally. She should have reading the words from her campaign brains down to science. Because she surely can't use her own. Reason for the beloved prompter everywhere she goes.
Forced. Listen to the crowd. It looks like the mic on thr recording dropped out. Or else the crowd really is sheep and yelled enthusiastically in favor of having to pay higher taxes.
Its funny hearing Trump devotes pick on someone for saying one thing and meaning another after Pence calls that "The Trump Story." "No he didn't mean he saw the movie when he said he saw the movie."
DannyC - Obama explained this payment at his news conference today. At least take a listen at what he said. If afterwards you still think it was a ransom, that's your right.
It was really bad optics for sure.
Obama's PR and media teams stink. Always have.
Bad optics?, how about you get your people out when the cash arrives. Funny that they could pay the interest in the usual fashion but the original amount was paid in hard currency. I wonder why? The reason they gave isn't cutting it in my opinion.
And why the heck did we find out 7 months later? It surely was a down low deal that they were keeping hush hush. It was most def a deal where Iran says give us what you owe before we give back your prisoners. We're funding terrorism to a person who chance death to America or something like that.
Saddest girl....... You talk about trump speaking incoherent, but what about when your hero Obama speaks in Ebonics in his speeches?? Love liberal hypocrites.
"And why the heck did we find out 7 months later? It surely was a down low deal that they were keeping hush hush"
It was publicly announced on Jan 17, 2016. You can look on-line and watch the videos of Pres. Obama making the announcement. Not much of a secret for anyone who actually stays informed using reliable news sources.
KB --- that was the first payment. Maybe in the movie....
"And why the heck did we find out 7 months later?" It was announced, and questioned, in January 2016. It was an out-of-court settlement that saved us billions.
I can understand why Trumpers have difficulty understanding the concept of paying someone in full for what you owe. But not being able to understand an out-of-court settlement.... That's Trump University Art-of-the-Deal 101.
Seriously though: bad optics. Should have re-announced the plan. Should have timed the release better. Didn't help, and I shouldn't mention this to you Trumpaconspiracists, that the Iranians are portraying it as a deal for their own internal PR purposes (got to gain some face after losing the nuclear option).
Somewhere in Trumpolvania I can imagine a conversation.......
"Whatya mean we're paying em what we owe, what kind of bonehead does that...."
It's called paying your bills, Mr. Dump...
"I don't understand. I never pay my bills, Contractors get shorted, you hire foreigners and don't pay em, and then you run your businesses into the ground and then hightail it with all the money you can letting everyone else hold the empty bags....."
It was an IOU, Mr. Dump....
"IOU my @#$#$#%$, these dumb @#$%#%# politicians are #$#$#$. I saw a movie with planes filled with EUROS, and I know EUROS, trust me. There were millions of Muslims on rooftops cheering and Mexican rapists were sneaking around looking for jobs. I'm gonna sock it to someone over this until their head spins and blood gushes from their.....their....."
There was also a hostage release although supposedly not connected with the money, Mr. Dump.
"Hostages......hostages.....what the @#%#%$ did we need them for. Better for me to be President if they just stayed there. What a bunch of losers anyway. Getting captured. Who needs losers like that. Crap. Look at the kind of sacrifices I have to make. I should get a Purple Heart for this...."
It was also a out-of-court settlement Mr. Dump.
"Oh, gosh. That I understand. Probably a Mexican Judge. Never mind."
Here's your morning coffee Mr. Dump.
"Decafe?"
Of course.
"Gold-leaf cup?"
Of course.
"Thanks Chris, you can go finish the dishes now....."
You can google it. After you watch them, just brush it off. Or better yet, call me a racist.
RAD, as Obama admitted yesterday, they only thing they did not reveal was the $400 million was paid in hard currency. Interesting, that the hostages were released right after the plane landed with the cash.
KB: Like I said, I believe the Iranians "advertised" this in-country as a deal. I heard this in passing but can not confirm via print media. My take is that it is not but they are trying to save face since the loss of the nuclear program is probably being used by adversaries the way Trump is using this out-of-court settlement conjoined to the hostage release.
Still looking but so far only found some GOP-zealot-pundit wannabee stating it without confirmation or sourcing. Wait, found a slightly better one; hopefully the right-wing press will delve into it and the left wing press will respond with some proof of my assumption as to why it benefits Iranian Authorities to do this to save face.
Let's face it, we may have broken the ice with Iran, stopped the nuclear program, but they ain't "rockin in the free world" yet.
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2016/08/04/
Obama Ebonics is as funny as Will Smith's French accent. Hypocrite? Really? Do you actually imagine someone is buying this as reality. He can't sing either and yet he makes an honest effort at that and OMG ---- it was a black hymn...... Oh, the horror of it all.
Lighten up. It's not like he's claiming to see invisible cheering Muslims on a rooftop, mystery movies with mega millions on pallets, always wanted his own Purple Heart for deferments and bone spurs or sees evil killing rapist Mexicans around every corner.... (that's why I hire my foreign low cost workers from Honduras....)
Here's something to really get you going. Rumor has it that after viewing this, 67.5% of the audience was convinced she is black, grew up in South Shore, and moved to the black suburbs of Arkansas (hint: they're aren't any)..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWRoEpYuHwI
Mic drop :>)
KB, the payment in hard currency must have been a nuisance for everyone, including Iran. Kind of like a merchant being paid in pennies. Obama explained yesterday that there was no way to send Iran a check or wire transfer because there is no banking relationship between us and them.
jd2 - My cousin in the military was part of convoys between Jordan and Iraq for the exact same reason. Because of the isolationism, sometimes it just had to be paper bills because everything else collapsed and was useless. In reality money is artificial no matter how you express it. A wire transfer or some bills or some shell belts is all the same in the end.
Sorry, not buying it. They could have sent the funds to a different country and have them pay Iran to get around it. Did we have an issue releasing their 150 Billion dollars that was frozen in the US? I am sure it was a nuisance for Iran, 400 million in non traceable hard currencies. Obama really looked uncomfortable in my opinion when talking about it. Why did the funds have to be delivered before the hostages were released?
i agree kb, not buying the explanation at face value, bu it's possible that both are true, that's the only thing that makes sense to me,
the deal to return the funds was set months ago, but it didn't happen yet
for Iran to actually receive the money back from the USA, someone on our side over here must have given Iran a hard stop position: "You want us to give your money back? Well, not until you turn over the hostages"
technically, this answers both questions, and while we will probably never see any proof of it anywhere, this has the ring of truth to it.
(mic drop)
(much overused i know, but we need to wear this out ASAP, it's irritating, big time)
BrotherDog 
Do you really think Iran's 1.5B, which wasn't 1.5B was frozen in the US?
Probably no other bank wanted to get in the middle of a $400M wire transfer OR Iran did not want anything but a direct payment. Or deal with an Iranian bank. Would you want to have transferred it through a Russian bank? I mean who has banking with Iran?
As far as timing: bad optics but I guess after a few decades of holding their money I can see where they might be a tad less than completely trusting. Do you trust them?
They also obviously wanted the in-country PR.
But I think you are contriving way too much out of this. We paid what we owed, it was not our money, and our folks came home safe. Connected, coincidence, or not, its a good thing.
How uncomfortable did you feel he looked. a. slightly, b. knicker knotted or c: (see picture above) -- like a grumpy granddad grabbing twin gogglypoo's.
KB, I watched the news conference and did not think Obama looked uncomfortable at all. The $100-150 billion has been unfrozen but Iran has been complaining that they are not reaping the financial benefits expected. Maybe those billions are unfrozen but not being delivered? I really don't know.
As to the timing of the $400 million, the explanation provided is that we never had a speaking relationship with Iran until the nuclear negotiations provided one. This meant we could talk nuclear, frozen Iranian funds, and people being held all at the same time.
Fair to say since the funds belonged to Iran to begin with, that the payment cannot be called ransom. But Quid Pro Quo? Well, something to that, probably (IMO), even if it is deniable.
Why would he look uncomfortable? He is a professional liar. I like the way he pauses after a sentence and looks around to see if anyone caught one of his lies. A sign of a professional liar and deceiver.
That is quite hysterical, The Man!
You either have a very vivid imagination, or you are paranoid beyond repair.
You guys can believe what you want, After 37 years of holding those funds, I just don't understand why the cash needed to be delivered before the hostages were released? Were we under the gun to pay them at that time?Yeah, just a coincidence.
"That is quite hysterical, The Man!
You either have a very vivid imagination, or you are paranoid beyond repair."
Just wake up from your afternoon nap?
"Just wake up ffrom your afternoon nap?" ------ The Man
No, I was at pilates.
But I'm glad that you know how beneficial naps are.
Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, Napoleon, and Winston Churchill ------- just to name a few -------- certainly knew the power of naps.
Yes they were adults, but even though you are a boy you can still take a nap.
It will clear your head.
.
Next up and somewhat lost in the other Trump scandals, it looks like Melania started her life in American as an undocumented worker or what the Don likes to call an illegal alien. Coincides with some more nude photographs proving once and for all time that she's not a practicing Muslim. Excellent first lady stuff for our plagiarizing role model.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/melania-trump-immigration-donald-226648
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/05/politics/melania-trump-immigration-visa/
Does that mean she's a Mexican rapist?
The Trump-Ryan peccadillo may have some very interesting implications going forward.
First is Ryan. I may sometimes agree, often disagree, and sometimes regurgitate on his plans but he is always a man of principle and conscious who I respect and Iisten to. He withheld his endorsement on Trump, rightfully so, given Trump's break with the Republican party platform and ethics, saying he needed some time to reflect. Now he is standing firm on his endorsement, but says his endorsement is not a blank check and has put Trump on notice. Yes, you can fight Donald Trump if you are very, very good.
Then there's Trump. He not only withheld his endorsement of Ryan, but praised his opponent, Nehlan, whose politics are just right of Attila The Hun's. I believe his plans are best described as "ethnic cleansing." In not backing Ryan, Trump sent a message. He described his position as "I’m just not quite there yet. I’m not quite there yet."
Ryan in May, when thinking about Trump said: "I'm just not ready to do that at this point. I'm not there right now."
So there you have it. Donald Trump not only sought revenge on Ryan for what has to be a minor slight. Especially since Ryan endorsed Trump so no harm, no foul. But Trump not only needed revenge, he had to add a little mustard to it by paraphrasing Ryan when he did it.
Now that's revenge for the sake of revenge.
The funny part is Ryan could care less about Trump's endorsement. He will cold-cock Nehlan.
So Ryan will bank the memory of Donald's petty revenge, know that he had the power to make Trump capitulate, and the rest of the Republican party can see the edge of Trump's power and that he can be bested at his own game if you are very, very good.
Ryan, nor the governor, nor anyone else important to the party attended Trumps rally in Ryan's home state this weekend.
There is a definite scenario, and it's happened before, where the party dumps Trump and re-deploys money and effort to the local races in order not to lose both the Presidency and the Congress. I think it's called Reince Revenge.
This is so scary for some of us who remember our history: https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/american-nazi-chair-a-trump-win-would-be-a-real-opportunity?utm_term=.uc95mX7xX#.kfL60XpKX
At least Hillary can read a teleprompter, properly, and answer questions, clearly and concisely. Dump talks like a bratty 12 year old, and has to read answer cards, pre-written by his advisors, very slowly, trying to get him a little more sane acting. Sounds like he's reading them for the very first time and doesn't even comprehend what he is reading. Definitely NOT presidential material. Just a very scary (possible)candidate. Oh, check out the jewelry line, the new, new, new Mrs. Trump has, on Ebay. They can't give that stuff away...LOL
If she were to become first lady, I wonder what her "platform" would be... probably a new shoe line, as indicated by the fact that she had to plagiarize her "Mrs. Obama" speech, she can't think of anyway she could contribute to society.
Yes, being able to read from a teleprompter is my number one issue for me when I'm choosing a presidential candidate. And how dare the possible first lady go out and start a new fashion line. She should be staying home, standing by her man and making chocolate chip cookies.
I think the point is that even with the words written down for him he still can't speak intelligently, either because he doesn't understand what the words mean or he doesn't believe what he's saying. Either way screams not presidential material.
Well if that's the case either is that shrilling voice of Hillary's. It's like nails on a chalkboard.
"Yes, being able to read from a teleprompter is my number one issue for me when I'm choosing a presidential candidate." But a shrill voice --- now that's not Presidential.....
" And how dare the possible first lady go out and start a new fashion line." But if she tries to help out in healthcare, well that's just a bridge too far..... Wanna bet those things are made in China, China, China..... I know China.... Yupper, Melania loves outsourcing to China: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-decries-outsourcing-family-brand-manufactured-abroad/story?id=37502012 You betcha!
Meanwhile, our potential first plagiarist's and illegal alien Melania's immigration woes get deeper with a Trump lawyer saying see got her green card four years prior to her marriage with Trump. What's up with that? Was she married-for-convenience before married-for-money Trump? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/melania-marriage-green-card-4-years-wedding-trump-article-1.2741180
Numerous FoIA requests have been filed and I am guessing we will see these well before we see Trump's taxes --- which we will never see. Rumor has it there's a huge donation to Hillary Clinton on his returns :>)
Melania has consistently said she was legal yet opponents have shown us the naked truth that she was an illegal, undocumented worker, if you call that work. Slovenian press has her in the US in 1995 as well which would make her illegal for work. She got her green card in 2001.
Once the FoIA request is fulfilled we will know.
And the pitch of someone's voice has to do with what? I can't stand to look at Donald's "hair" but that doesn't mean he isn't fit to be president. It's all the other stuff that does.
I love watching the don put his foot in mouth, on a daily basis. I can see why the public is so fascinated with him. I think he is hysterical! All his speeches should have a disclaimer below, that says "This speech is for entertainment purposes, only. Any similarities (Mrs. Obama's speech, bits and pieces of Hillary's and Bernie's), to actual events or people are strictly coincidental, and may cause you to believe that this speaker is actually presidential material. It's a common side effect of his ridiculous speeches. Results not typical, of what may come out of this speakers mouth. CNN cannot be held responsible, for any injuries incurred by either the public, or by Mr. Trump, himself.... or if you vote for him to lead our country "
Can you tell me Shrillary's pantsuits are made? I'd bet anything they aren't made in the good old USA
Ollie - Her pantsuits are generally 'Nina McLemore', a US designer that makes them in New York. The fabric they say is either Asian silk (which isn't pantsuit material) or European.
http://www.ninamclemore.com/pages/charity.htm
Ouch, Ollie poned.... :>)
Now it looks like Melania was indeed married for convenience ---- and he weren't no Donald. "Univision reported a claim on Friday that she was wed for four years before her 2005 Palm Beach nuptials to the 70-year-old businessman."
Can't get a name but pictures have been posted.....
"Generally" they are made in the US. So maybe generally they aren't.
SD are you a Melania stalker? It's getting a little weird your obsession with her. So maybe she was married at one time for convenience. What do you call Bill and Hillary's marriage?
Ollie - Not "generally made", it's what she "generally wears". If it's that designer, then it's that manufacturing location. You're hedging after you lost your bet of 'anything'. If Melania's marriage was a sham then they broke immigration law Trump says no one should be allowed to break. Under his regime will both Melania *and* his son get deported? Neither would be citizens any more. If Clinton's marriage is a sham, they owe Chelsea an apology.
OMG GC, you have over done yourself jumping the shark. Because they have a child their marriage can't be a sham? What rock do you live under? Peace out!
What GC was trying to say is that trumps sham marriage would result in deportation of his "wife" and son because they are only citizens because of said marriage. Whereby if Hillary's marriage was a sham they would only have an illegitimate child. He wasn't saying her marriage couldn't be a sham because she had a child. Got it?
I'm smelling desperation. "Look at the shiny thing over here." I can't wait to see what you guys come up with next. It's quite amusing.
Hey, Trump's failed marriages to foreigners, trophy wives, nude photos, undocumented worker, communist family, green card marriage of convenience, build a wall, deport 11M undocumented... you're right I can't wait to see what's Trump dumps next.
https://www.rickey.org/melania-trumps-sketchy-immigration-she-had-marriage-green-card-years-before-marrying-donald-trump/296992/
Now you know the Trumpmaster general had to know about the green card marriage. Either that or he's getting all that money he spent to vet her before marriage. Remember, he's a smart guy......
And yes, it's a big deal. Working illegally or married for convenience might invalidate her citizenship. Might violate her pre-nuptial too. Not to mention putting Trump in the very uncomfortable position of having supported an undocumented worker (did he do it because of the low wages :>).
Perhaps Ollie is a true Trump supporter. When talking about NATO, Trump summed it up as "sometimes it might be better to know a little rather than knowing a lot. Forrest for the trees......." Does that scare the #$#$#$# out of you? So sure Ollie, continue striving to know a little and the world will be a much better place :>) A very Trumpy place.
I find it amusing you have your underwear all in a bunch over someone who may be here illegally. Why? Just because it's Melania? I thought you guys were all for open boarders and sanctuary cities.
Thanks for the insults SD. Not agreeing you makes me someone who knows a little I guess.Want to know what scares the s#@% out of me? The direction into which this country is going. But, that's just a thought from someone who knows little and can't find the forest for the trees
SD sure does pick quality news sources, check out the credentials:
http://www.rickey.org/rickey-yaneza-2/
smh
Sd, there is no need to defend your beloved Clinton. The polls show she has a drastic lead. You should have no worries and it's smoothing sailing. Why waste your energy, trump can't win, right?
has to ability - no - the desire - to bring back the absolute worst in people: http://atlantajewishtimes.com/2016/08/trump-backers-anti-semitic-taunts-threats/
That article is a stretch...
"Then a month ago Donald Trump tweeted a graphic using the Star of David."
Looks like just a regular old clip-art "star" to me ... (keep in mind "asterisk" characters sometimes have 6 points, and a 5 pointed star is an awkward shape to put multi-line text inside).
You don't get it. It's not that the image evokes anti-semistism. It's that the entire picture is from an anti-semetic racist website for white supremacists where indeed that star was meant as anti-semetic.
Trump may not be amti-semetic, the star - by itself -- may not be anti-jewish, but spmeone was on the web site amd he copy/pasted the entire graphic -- not just the star. And the site is a racist anti semetic white supremacist site
So what kind of people spend their time on racist web sites plus are either racist or so utterly stupid as to proliferate their racist stuff. Certainly catering to a certain vote and not a lot of others.
“Finally, no family will have to pay the death tax,” said Trump. “American workers have paid taxes their whole lives. They’re not going to be taxed again at their death, We will repeal it,” said Trump. Funny...according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, "Only the wealthiest estates pay the fedreal estate tax because it is levied only on the portion of an estate’s value that exceeds a specified exemption level — $5.43 million per person (effectively $10.86 million per married couple) in 2015." So, essentially, very few "American workers" ever have to worry about paying the "estate taxes". Of coarse this will benefit the Trumps greatly.
About $2.8 billion trumpolas to be exact based on his own evaluation. Maybe less if he ever releases his taxes.
Its the HUGEST presidential payoff ever in history.
No one has ever profitted from the presidency like this much less telling the suckers he was going to do it before he did it and then sit back and watch them cheer.
If I earn money and pay taxes, taxing my money when I die is double taxation. You support that? Really? Then don't fight your property taxes, causing your less savvy neighbors to pay more #bleedinghearthypocrites
If it was your money, you would find a way to skirt the law. Find a less stupid reason to diss Trump. There are at least a few.
#middleoftheroadgirl #donttouchmypennies
I'm glad you guys are okay with the government forceably taking money from people that earned it and want to give it to their heirs. You might be singing a different tune if it affected you.
Perhaps it is double taxation and it needs to be revised but right now the impact is on less than 1% and the revenue that it brings in is approximately 22 billion per year so what's the plan for the short fall? Who will make up this balance or which programs will be cut? Pretty real issues with a tremendous impact.
Plenty of waste in the system, that is one thing that needs to be addressed. How much fraud is going on in Medicare, Medicaid, etc. Do we need 27 different government job training programs? I could go on but you get my drift.
who says they paid any taxes on this? They pay a lesser percentage than you and Trump probably pays nothing. Once we see his taxes.....
And I have paid this tx at the state level and will do so again.
Trump had no problems taking our money to stave off his bankruptcies. He had no problem taking our tax dollars for 9/11 relief when he wasn't even harmed.
You tell me how many countries he could turn $1m into 10B and not thank his lucky stars to be born here instead of Argentina......
Nope, not even close to a tear welling up.
The point is for him to propose this law seems like a giant quid pro quo without even getting the quid. Talk about self serving. this only benefits a very few people including Trump.
The childcare deductible tax will greatly help people also. I've got 22,000$ a year in childcare costs.
You don't have to be rich to have this inheritance tax affect you. I guess because it doesn't apply to you you're ok with it. How will they make up the windfall? How about letting the people who have earned they money keep it and spend it the way they want to. Maybe small farmers would be able to continue farming, hire more people, buy more equipment, renovate their barns. Instead, you're ok letting the government take it and without a doubt p@#$ it away.
Hi Kb... that's the point. The inheritance tax breaks, are only going to affect Trump and a handful (%1-2) of the few thousand people that have %99 of this country's wealth, so obviously he wants to change, what is only going to have an affect on his own family. Believe me... Trump doesn't give a rat's butt, about the upper middle class and below. Just what we need.... less taxes on the people, who have billions of dollars, more taxes on the middle class.
Darn, we can't call Trump crazy. Thread over!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/08/politics/patrick-kennedy-donald-trump-mental-health-oped/index.html
This is for both republicans AND democrats. And even those of you who are neither, but are sick and tired of the current political "system".
For those of you who are TRULY interested in examining your own thought process of "choosing who to vote for" or even "choosing what is 'right' and 'wrong'", I encourage to watch this short series. Yes, it is by a Christian Pastor. Yes, Christianity plays heavily in his reasoning. BUT: I don't think it has to. I know seculars who are moral people. If you consider yourself a moral person, you should watch this. I already know many of you won't, because you are afraid to have your current morality, or lack thereof, or current reasoning, or lack thereof, questioned. But for those of you who are truly interested in changing not only the 100% totally corrupt 2-party system we have been brainwashed into accepting, who are truly interested in figuring out WHY there never seems to be anyone to vote FOR, only voting "the lesser of 2 evils", you should watch this.
And for those of you who don't see that: you're either beyond help, or haven't woken up yet.
http://stepstopoliticalepiphany.com
I wanted to post this in the Clinton thread too, but you can't post duplicate posts. I figure everyone who is reading that thread is also reading this one anyway LOL
I repeat you DO NOT have to rich for this tax to affect you. Get over you class envy.
Ollie,
So you think billionaires who will benefit from the elimination of the estate tax are going to put that money right into the economy? And support small farmers?
"I repeat you DO NOT have to rich for this tax to affect you. Get over you class envy."
You are right on this Ollie and you are wrong. State Estate Tax can affect the middle class, especially in NJ where it affects 4% of the population kicking in for estates at $675,000 or more. It's pretty much being abolished, only 15 states have it. NJ has inheritance tax too, that's another story.
But you are totally wrong with Trump. He is talking Federal and there the estate tax effects you at $5.45M or 10.9M per couple. That means 99.8% of all citizens pay no estate tax at the federal level and only the top .2% do.
Average tax level levied is 16.6%, not exactly egregious.
The myth that we are taxing these people twice is factually unfounded. First, a lot of the value of the estate at these levels is shielded using various loopholes. Those assets are just not included. Second, much of the value of the estate at these levels, over 50% of the estate on average, has been generated 100% tax free like with unrealized capital gains. There's other ways too. It's the nature of the beast at these levels where money makes money but only pays taxes in death. So between not counting the shielded assets and the tax-free nature of the value for the assets we do count ---- taxing at 16% is like taxing it one time at a reasonable level.
This brings in about $250B a decade, less than 1% of the Federal Budget but still large enough to fund a major Federal Program like Product Safety for example. Trump has no idea how to make that up or what cuts he would make to cover.
Ollie, l suggest you actually learn some things about the estate tax before you talk about it. Right now only about 2 out of every 1000 estates face any estate tax at all. And the lion's share of taxation is not "double taxation" as the Republican nay sayers would have us believe. Most is on unrealized capital gains...that is, assets that have never been taxed because the family holding these assets has never sold them.
The great success of the Republican party has been their ability to demonize policies that only affect their wealthy constituents by giving their not-so-wealthy constituents the idea that it somehow affects them as well. When people making 40k per year are railing against a tax that will never, ever affect them, that success is evident. They are counting on the poorer members of their base to remain willfully ignorant of reality for their own financial gain.
Oh come on Eppie, it's personal. Ollie's crossing that $5.5M deadline any day now.
Sorry Eperot, I guess having gone thru this personally doesn't make me an expert. I bow to your apparent expertise.
Apples and oranges Ollie unless your estate was over $5 million you were not assessed the Federal Estate Tax. You may have had to pay probate, capital gains or other taxes but that's not the one Trump is looking to repeal.
I love how you all assume just so it fits your narrative. You know nothing about me. But that's ok. I'll just sit back counting all my millions I have stashed under my mattress.
The Federal Estate Tax kicks in >$5 million, the Federal Estate Tax is the one Trump wants to repeal, the Federal Estate Tax is assessed on a very small population and yet brings in ~$22 billion per year. This isn't anyone's narrative but rather straightforward data. Whether the tax should exist, be changed or repealed can fit a narrative and has been up for debate. If you've had the Federal Estate Tax assessed then congratulations on the inheritance of over $5 million.
That's kharma. The bad kind.
Hillary commenting that she should stay in the 2008 race because the other candidate could possibly be assasinated:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/us/politics/24clinton.html?_r=0
"Do we even want to go into yesterday's 2A Trump burp?"
Perhaps he was just channeling his inner Thomas Jefferson. The founding fathers must have burped a lot louder back then...
maja, can never understand that "logic" - what my guy said isn't bad because someone else said something bad too... irrational
pmnsk Hillary will always be something. Trump isn't. .and thats a murderer! He will always have my vote over her...no matter what!
This is, sadly, no surprise to anyone who has seen the inside of Trump's rallies, where shouts of "Kill Hillary!" and "Hang that bitch!" to the comparatively 'tame' "Lock her up!" and the t-shirt fundraising favorite "Trump that Bitch!" can be heard, not to mention the violence incited against protesters. http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004533191/unfiltered-voices-from-donald-trumps-crowds.html?smid=pl-share
Then there's New Hampshire state Representative and Donald Trump delegate Al Baldasaro recently declaring in a radio interview, "Hillary Clinton should be put in the firing line and shot for treason."
Trump knew what he was saying. He and many of his followers have been saying it for many weeks now.
"Hillary Clinton should be put in the firing line and shot for treason."
I beg to disagree, firing squad is the honorable way. I'm for public hanging.
pmnk, it's still bad or not bad. People just shouldn't be glorifying one person over the other when they seemingly both are doing the same thing wrong. It's trying to brainwash people, without knowing or revealing all of the facts. Too easy to do in the days of social media. Share all relevant info, or share none. It is cherry picking.
Somebody should setup a giant T in there yard like that dude from Staten Island. Badass.
The lesser of 2 evils is STILL EVIL. (altho I do see a "lesser evil" in this election.)
I'm not sure this route has gotten us anywhere as a country, except worse off. All it's done is slow our descent, slow our plunge off the cliff. I find myself thinking perhaps it would be better in the long run if we just let it go- plunge off the cliff. Let it burn, and start figuring out how to rebuild this wonderful nation on the other side. Because voting for the lesser of 2 evils is NOT helping.
See, here's the thing, even if Mr. Trump did not mean what others think he meant, his followers - read above - DO incite violence and use his words, deliberate or not, to justify.... Jeff, I am starting to lean your way, people in this country seem to have earned the choices we have..... kind of like cable TV, crap is on there because that's what people will watch.
I love Trump's advice, regarding sexual harassment. "Just quit, if it's that bad of a work environment." Sounds typical to someone, who employs thousands of people. Is that the advice he tells his HR department, that handles his businesses? Tell the complainant to just quit? Think about THAT being put into law. He gave the same advice to his own daughter. Easy decision, when you're born into billions of dollars. For the rest of us, quitting a job, to get away from a predator, and just jumping into another, is not always an option. Even his daughter, said she would report it, rather than leave and the predator stays. She's probably smarter than her Dad.
Inciting violence is certainly not limited to Trump supporters. Plenty of democrat protester violence over the years too. And I'm quite sure the protesters in Ferguson and Baltimore weren't republicans LOL.
Violence on both sides only demonstrates how unhappy EVERYONE is. Voting for the lesser of two evils is not working. The country is turning into a powder keg. Shame we can't take all that energy and funnel it against the corrupt government we have allowed to continue for so many years.
I am really starting to wonder if Trump is purposefully sabotaging himself.. daily absurdities... today's quote "he's (Obama) the founder of ISIS" and so on... (repeated as if speaking to first graders) Truly, does he even want to continue in the race? I am not joking, I really am wondering if he is deliberately being "over the top" in an effort to back out of a job he really never wanted.... I know, that's crazy talk I'm sure, but the daily absurdities that push away his own party - more and more who are stepping away from him - keeps that idea in mind!!
pmsk,
I've been wondering that for awhile now... some have said, from the beginning, that he was a Clinton plant. He's certainly acting like one. I have started to wonder if the vote even REALLY matters anymore- oh sure, we vote, but one way or another, those in power figure out a way for the people they want to get and stay in power. Sure seems that way to me. It's like a giant chess game that the powers that be are playing 5 moves ahead, while the American people can only think about the next move.
What is going to happen, eventually, is the American people are going to topple the chess board.
I've said he was in cahoots with Clinton when he first announced he was running and people looked at me like I had two heads!
The American people aren't going to topple anything. They are far too invested in the lifestyles they have adopted and try to maintain. Way too many distractions. Even though l think MANY of the opinions here are ill informed, those that aren't just a crude issuance of judgement are at least somewhat thought out. The average American isn't informed. They're too busy trying to capture Pokemon or watching The Voice at home. A sad state of affairs.
"The American people aren't going to topple anything."
Not THIS election they won't. But the violence at the rallies and in our cities shows "the temperature is rising". Regardless of who gets elected, if the state of affairs continues on for another 8 years, you will see things like Ferguson not only continue, but increase. Eventually, a tipping point will be reached.
The sad part is, the Trump supporters think they ARE toppling the chess board- because he's an "outsider". While I agree it might be a step in the right direction, despite him running on the republican ticket, I'm not convinced he's not full of shit. If he actually DOES what he SAID he was going to- secure the borders FOR REAL, and control immigration FOR REAL, then maybe we're onto something. Otherwise, it'll just be more of the same... decline, anger, and the people feeling disenfranchised- even when "their guy won." It's going to get ugly unless SOMETHING CHANGES. And obviously Obama's "change" didn't do a damn thing to help, and actually hurt.
Trump spouting absurdities is nothing new - he's been doing it all his life. That's why, for example, SD was able to post, what, 30 years worth of Doonesbury comics ridiculing him. It's why, for example, I (and others) posted: of course he will get nowhere in a run for president - he's too much of a buffoon.
Unfortunately people who did not realize that have made him the Republican nominee.
"Hillary Clinton should be put in the firing line and shot for treason."
" I beg to disagree, firing squad is the honorable way. I'm for public hanging."
In Hackettstown, we should not suggest such horrid things. Moderation in all things, violence only in self defense against violence.
Mark's recommendation is a little more subtle as he hides behind Jefferson but he knows the Jefferson quote is taken out of context from a letter about Shay's Rebellion and does not mean what he dreams he wants it to mean. In the discourse between Adams and Jefferson much was said, much wrong, but Jefferson started in a much less violent place: http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2010/01/little-rebellion-now-and-then-is-good.html Jefferson has repeated this mantra a number of times in different places.
In the very letter that Mark excerpted Jefferson says: "The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them" determining that the participants and leaders in Shays rebellion were ill-informed as to their reasoning for rebellion. The blood he refers to was theirs, not the governments, and could be avoided vis-à-vis the quote above.
Did Jefferson call for blood? No, not really. Hard to imagine him calling for people frustrated with government to garner support through bloody martyrdom. As a not participant in violence, Jefferson had a penchant for verbally supporting other people's bloody loss, but he was not callous. http://americancreation.blogspot.com/2009/08/jeffersons-tree-of-liberty-quote-in.html
Did Jefferson ever take any action even close to these types of words --- no, he was not a man of action. If he was alive today he would be more Bill Gates than he would be Dick Cheney.
That said, yes Trump stepped way over the line once again proving he can indeed sink lower. Crikey, he's running for President. He should be not be inciting people to do wrong, even jokingly or through codes words and innuendo.
Hillary's similar gaffe was stupid. She lost the race. So I agree, let the cause and effect be the same for both of them.
I know you feel Hillary is evil and has crossed the line. When will you believe Trump has outdistanced her? He is a self-professed smart guy, so why is he purposefully saying these things? What is his point?
I don't think Trump is trying to lose on purpose. I do think some slight dementia has set in. I say that not as a bullying remark. I just think it may be true.
SD what about this line?
"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms"
I believe he copied these words verbatim in letters to both William Smith and James Madison, so they were very intentionally phrased.
Keep in mind, these men were fresh off a very bloody war where they most certainly had a "spirit of resistance" and "took arms" against their previous "rulers"... I doubt that slipped his mind when he wrote those letters.
Did he *personally* take arms? Probably not... but he supported those who did, wrote down exact words to that effect, and then still became president (fully expecting the people to abide by his advice if he became a tyrant).
Yes, there is the romantic ideal of taking up arms against your government, and overthrowing it. Of course, in the case of our Revolutionary War, our government was essentially a foreign power, although it did have civilian support here. It's not clear the rebels (i.e. the good guys) would have prevailed without armed foreign assistance, mainly from France. (Other countries like Canada gained independence without resorting to arms.)
Then in 1861-1865 large numbers of armed people fought against the U.S. government, and it was pretty horrible before they gave it up.
Today taking up arms against the government would probably look like Syria. Can't get much worse than that. Work through the system as long as it is possible. Don't talk lightly about arms.
It was actually 11 years since the bloody war and the next line you left out was: "The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them."
Jefferson's point was that Shay's Rebellion killed the protestors who were protesting out of ignorance versus any overt transgression, at least according to Jefferson.
My point is do you believe Jefferson would have preferred bloodshed to "setting things right as to the facts?" I just can't imagine that. Probably can agree to disagree but we might never really know since he basically said both things at the same time.
Jefferson as President certainly did not agree with himself. As American's first Republican (at least in spirit and action), he slashed everything from taxes to government and including the armed forces down to 6 Frigates and 3,200 in the Army. Some of this was good stuff especially given the bloating of the Federal Government at that time. But in some places he went too far. The Revolution fielded 80K soldiers and over 50K privateers so I think it's safe to assume as President he did not move to defend the country. For immigration he lowered citizenship from 14 to 5 years residency. Faced with a little rebellion of a dubious nature, he went the full treason route looking to squash the rebellion and finish off the leader, Aaron Burr as a message because he thought Burr, a single rebellious man, was dangerous to the Republic. Burr was acquitted.
Then faced with impressment of over 10,000 seamen, punitive English and French tariffs, and being fired up by the British, Jefferson responded to the slaving of Americans by the British. He went full embargo, the moral alternative. Total failure culminating in massive smuggling and black market operations. Jefferson responding by forming blockades and declaring martial law along Lake Champlain to combat this economic rebellion of citizens against his government. This was because the British and French were messing with us....remember?
As Jefferson left office he said: "Never did a prisoner, released from his chains, feel such relief as I shall on shaking off the shackles of power.'' Makes you wonder how he felt about that tree of liberty covered in rebellious blood at that point....
My point is that first, Jefferson in writing, tends to argue both sides of the coin for armed insurrection versus getting the right facts out to pacify the frustrated as in dialogue and diplomacy. When faced with rebellion within his own country, he moved to squash it violently. When faced with war with foreign countries, he overwhelmingly choose to avoid armed conflict except against his own rebellious countrymen.
You have to look at his speech in context and pay heed to not only the words but also how Jefferson might act given said words. I doubt assassination would ever entered his mind for example which is what we are talking about here. That's what Trump was joking about and that's what some HLers are talking about for Hillary.
http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtid=2&psid=2981
Work through the system AS LONG AS IT IS POSSIBLE.
I highlighted the key words here. As soon as the people decide/figure out that it's a shell game and it's NO LONGER POSSIBLE, the SHTF.
You see, Trump is the 1st step onto that ladder: he's no republican, and the republican party had him FORCED DOWN THEIR THROATS by the people. Why? Because the people are sick and tired of the republican/democrat good cop/bad cop game being played against us. They SEE Trump as an outsider, as DIFFERENT. And perception is reality- they gave him the republican nomination with their votes. NOT because he upheld the party platform, but because he DIDN'T. He said what the rest of the nominees would not say (with the exceptions of Cruz and Paul, who the American people aren't ready for yet). If Trump wins, it'll be a shot across the bow to those in power. Unfortunately, Trump will probably become a pussycat once elected, which will piss off his supporters EVEN MORE.
And if he's some kind of plant, and the people find out, all hell's gonna' break loose.
JD2, All I'm saying is the words spoken by Thomas Jefferson (and other founding fathers) mean what they say.
Some people choose to take 240 years of other world events (that had not yet occurred at the time the words were originally spoken) to try and give them "context".
The success/failure of following those words is irrelevant to their purpose for existing.
All I did was take the context that you left out as well as the actions of the times to try to better understand what was behind the words. Sure, he said those things about blood and rebellion and the tree, but he said other more tempered things at the same time. And his actions never met the blood, rebellion and tree side of his equation.
So yes, I do believe he might have a even more tempered view at the end of his Presidency after wearing those shoes.
Here's some later Jefferson quotes:
"No government can be maintained without the principle of fear as well as duty. Good men will obey the last, but bad ones the former only. If our government ever fails, it will be from this weakness." --Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, 1814
"Every man is under the natural duty of contributing to the necessities of the society; and this is all the laws should enforce on him." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Gilmer,1816.
"The most effectual means of preventing the perversion of power into tyranny are to illuminate, as far as practicable, the minds of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts which history exhibits, that possessed thereby of the experience of other ages and countries, they may be enabled to know ambition under all its shapes, and prompt to exert their
natural powers to defeat its purposes." --Thomas Jefferson: Diffusion of Knowledge Bill, 1779.
Not to say the fire was gone, but the blood was certainly tempered.
"A first attempt to recover the right of self government may fail, so may a second, a third, etc. But as a younger and more instructed race comes on, the sentiment becomes more and more intuitive, and a fourth, a fifth, or some subsequent one of the ever renewed attempts will ultimately succeed... To attain all this, however, rivers of blood must yet flow, and years of desolation pass over; yet the object is worth rivers of blood and years of desolation. For what inheritance so valuable can man leave to his posterity?" --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1823.
A complex man and I think to take phrases out of context in order to support rebellion by arms limits what the man really meant in full context.
"It was actually 11 years since the bloody war"
11 years since the war had *started* and only ~3 years since it had *ended*. This isn't like forgetting "did I leave my coffee maker running"... you don't quickly forget a massive war where you fought off the British Army and were creating a new government.
Yes, of course Jefferson would prefer the "pacifist" route. They *tried* that with the British, for many years. Having tried and failed, they also embraced the rights or a people to take up arms as a last resort (and set many limits on the new government's power in an effort to prevent that from ever becoming a necessity).
"Yes, of course Jefferson would prefer the "pacifist" route. They *tried* that with the British, for many years. Having tried and failed, they also embraced the rights or a people to take up arms as a last resort (and set many limits on the new government's power in an effort to prevent that from ever becoming a necessity)."
History 101 folks. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it...
So much for not double checking a historian. Good catch on the date and the fact that the end was the important part in this context. Scratch that comment...
Yet the revolution versus Shay's Rebellion are two very different things and certainly the quote you pulled from Jefferson dealt with Shay's. And like I keep saying, Jefferson stressed knowledge and being a positive force that could have stopped this bloodshed and he did so in the same letter. Not to mention admonishing the Continental Congress from "sending up a kite" rashly over the same affair. There was a balance and alternatives to violence when taken in context.
While I get what you're saying, and fully admit Jefferson said some very fiery things, especially for a nerd wimp, what I have read and am attempting to say is this (just forget it is a anti-gunite and Huffington and read to the facts.....) And please read the entire letter for even more context but here's another summary.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-horwitz/thomas-jefferson-and-the_b_273800.html
Forget the source, I can find others he started from without the bent of his politics.
And thanks Jr., that's h e a v y....
But what we are dealing with is Trump's stupid rantings about "Hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know," That's a little more specific than Jefferson's out of context quote and completely dissimilar to the quote in context. Maybe it is, I don't know.
And now the Secret Service might be involved: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-second-amendment/
Could they be coming to HackettstownLife soon......
Unless the Constitution is changed through a convention of states, "abolishing" the 2nd amendment through SCOTUS will do nothing but cause civil war. It's unconstitutional, we know it, you know it, and frankly, the govt doesn't have the firepower to deal with 200 million non-compliers. I'm telling you gun grabbing libs- for YOUR sake- you better hope that's not your sides' plan, because it'll be on YOUR shoulders.
It's not one whit different than protesting, we just happen to be armed, which of course was always the founders' intentions. Sticky wicket, that.
You gotta' love those "peaceful" liberal democrats... no violence from Hillary supporters, of course not...
http://www.northjersey.com/news/crime-and-courts/man-with-trump-shirt-attacked-with-crowbar-in-bloomfield-police-say-1.1642025
No one should face any kind of altercation over a presidential t-shirt. There are A-holes on both sides and l don't think anyone is making a claim that every liberal is a pacifist. I guess l just come from the old school of not wearing politics or religion (or lack of) on my sleeve. Partly this is due to fear, because the last thing l need is some tool keying my new car over a sticker or hitting me with a crowbar over a t-shirt. I don't really trust my fellow countrymen to allow me differing opinions without retribution.
So did l miss something? Is Clinton talking about abolishing the second amendment? Because l'm pretty sure no one is talking about that, beyond conspiracy theorists and tin foil hatters.
"So did l miss something? Is Clinton talking about abolishing the second amendment? "
Baby steps... register this, turn in that, tax this, overturn Heller, license this, prohibit that...
I can't fault you (in the general sense) if you don't follow gun rights issues closely. I don't follow laws on other hobbies/issues as closely as some may either. Guess you'll just have to trust us when we say the efforts to infringe on firearms is simply incessant.
NJ is a good example, Christie will veto a law, and the legislature picks it up immediately and tries again. They submit dozens of firearm bills every year, year over year. Christie has the AG expand the ability of DV victims to quickly obtain the necessary permits and the assembly schedules a bill to block it. Rinse, repeat.
"Common sense" laws went out the windows many many years ago. GCA 1968 was supposed to fix the firearms issue... AWB 1994 was supposed to fix the firearms issue... The Brady Act was supposed to fix the firearms issue... NY SAFE Act was supposed to fix the firearms issue... They can simply never "take" enough.
In hyperbole Trump has said she wants to abolish including the side message innuendo that 2A supporters do have "something they can do..."
Of course abolishing would be impossible from both sides of the Congress and no way would the SCOTUS overturn the Constitution, they can't.
What Hillary is talking is limitations which, of course, the SCOTUS has affirmed is Constitutional and which occur on almost every single Constitutional right. While she is talking the much of the same common sense gun controls that I am: universal background checks on all transfers and close the loopholes, universal mental health codes; she is also talking AWB.
Frankly if she might get the CSGC, but if she attempts to bundle the AWB within, it will not pass. It just does not fit with CSGC.
She is nowhere close to suggesting abolishing the 2A except in Trump's mind and his coded-message legitimizing assassination is just plain despicable and not a mistake. Jr's double-down on that suggesting civil war is just silly even if Hillary got everything she wanted, which she can't. If even there was an AWB, Jr. would probably be the last guy to take arms. I mean, he lives in NJ with our laws........
Any day now, Melania's immigration tell all press conference.
She's got some new speech writers.....
"While she is talking the much of the same common sense gun controls that I am: universal background checks on all transfers and close the loopholes, universal mental health codes; she is also talking AWB."
You couldn't squeeze in more liberal buzz-words & phrases in your statement? ie common sense, universal background check, loopholes, AWB.
Joe Friday OK, I can agree common sense gun laws is a catch-all buzz word used to make gunners feel guilty and sometimes including things not common sense in the grab bag. But's it's a nice buzz word attempting to qualify the intent.
Then rest of the terms ---- hardly. universal whatever's mean exactly what they say as does AWB. Think your libradar is tuned a little hot.
Back to the important stuff.
Where is Melania's immigration tell all press conference and more importantly why the heck is she doing a presser? Skip it and show us the money..... Release the paper work, show us your first husband.
It's sad that Hillary and Donald are the least popular Presidential Candidates but Melania is the least liked potential first lady since, well, since Hillary. Ironic ain't it?
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/melania-trump-is-the-least-favorably-viewed-presidential-candidate-spouse-since-hillary-clinton
Why have a press conference? The show, the spectacle --- yupper. Can't imagine they will go firing line on the questions. Why not just release the papers?
Matter of fact, why doesn't Trump release:
His tax records (this must be juicy)
Mile Pence tax records (it's the donations, Mike, the donations)
Melania's immigration records (I hear wedding bells)
Melania's net worth (we know Bill's, wanna bet she's worth more)
Track record for charitable giving he is always alluding to
College transcripts (I smell average)
Passport applications
Medical deferment paperwork (show us those five-year bone spurs)
Before you call me tin-foil hat zealot, remember that many of these documents have been released by Obama and by Clinton, Most of them have been requested to be released by Trump, he just won't release his own. I would say put up or shut up but the boat on Donald shutting up has sailed. He alone has forced release on a number of these records by the last two candidates already. So let's see his.
And while we're on the subject, where are your paid-for speech transcripts Donald. Hillary got $200,000 for speaking, $675K total in a good year. Trump commands up to $1.5M per speech probably in many of the same private sectors Hillary speaks in. He did 17 of these in one year including to the real estate industry, Here's just a taste of why Donald Trump does not want his speech transcripts released: http://www.salon.com/2016/06/01/trumps_paid_speech_scandal_the_political_press_has_murdered_hillary_for_so_much_less_partner/
Can you live without your video phone? For over $1M, Trump will tell you that you can't.
Just tip of the ice-berg of the juicy stuff when Trump releases the transcripts from his paid-for public speaking. Think he owes these people access? http://www.salon.com/2016/06/01/trumps_paid_speech_scandal_the_political_press_has_murdered_hillary_for_so_much_less_partner/
So on speech transcripts Don, put up or shut up.
Since Trump's father died of Alzheimer's disease how many of you wonder if some of his behavior might be related to the possibility that he is also afflicted?
Mostly because he has been doing this for a few decades now.
Then again, there is a huge $3B inheritance payout for the family if he gets elected.
Sd, I see where your issue lies. It's because you visit places like salon, it's like worse than reading those trash mags they sell at the supermarket checkouts. Terrible place to get information from. You know that hillary donated over 1 million dollars towards charity according to her taxes? It was donated to there own Clinton foundation scheme. Over 70 cents to the dollar is paid to there "employees" and 30 cents to charity. It's terrible.
So show us some contradicting facts from Fox.....
And source the 70%. I come up with about 90%.
Regardless of her views and everything else aside - do any of you feel that Hillary is healthy enough to be president. Websites are putting a million dollar bounty up for her medical records.
http://truepundit.com/true-pundit-unprecedented-1-million-bounty-for-hillary-clinton-medical-records/
From the site:
Clinton is rumored to be suffering from a plethora of medical ailments, including:
*Dementia
*Post-concussion syndrome
*Parkinson’s Disease
*Brain tumor
*Brain injury
*Complex partial seizures
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
LMAO at Skippy !!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Actually that sounds like a description of Trump !!!
Trump is rumored to be suffering from "bat-shit crazy"...
So, this website is offering a million dollars for someone to break the law? Isn't that a conspiracy/solicitation offense at the very least?
It's a pre-existing condition, kb2755. They can't deny the Oompa Loompa's claims...
http://heatst.com/politics/hillary-clinton-health/
She's going to be 69 and already had a blood clot - I guess you guys aren't concerned - it seems as if she is in poor health
OMG Skippy, another internet hoax? Did you look closely at the picture they used as the ultimate veidence? This is just like the old National Inquirer days. The pic shows a cylindrical object and claims it's a valium pen. There's a metalic ring around the one side that shouldn't be there if it was the pen. Instead all it means is the guy in the picture vapes.
Trump beginning to hemorrhage from all sides: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-than-120-republicans-tell-rnc-to-cut-off-funds-to-donald-trump/
Like I said after the convention, when down ticket candidates begin to distance themselves from Trump, the RNC will pull the plug on his funding and he has precious little of his own. That will signal the end and a terrible pending loss. He may still wiggle out of this, has done so up to now, but storm clouds are forming and it looks like a hard rain is about to fall.
Now he's lashing out at the media, the rigged election, and just can believe the polls because he's still filling the rally halls. Hey Don, you filled the halls before you were nominated too...... Guess what --- same people.
I bet he'll accept any debate now, even with Kelly moderating.
More Russian money ties: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/15/politics/clinton-slams-trump-over-manafort-report/
Even FOX news seeing the dark side: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/15/trump-calls-ny-times-fiction-but-his-advisers-leaks-are-revealing.html
Gotta love CNN... Trumps gives a great speech last night and they spent most of the time questioning why he didn't give it in a black community... Really... They wouldn't have said that if it was Hillary. Once again they just look for reasons to criticize him instead of sticking to discussing his policy. The very thing he's being criticized for doing, not staying on point, is what they are doing. Idiots...
I am not a Trump fan but I definitely notice that EVERY LITTLE MISSTEP is talked about all day long on ALL the networks. Trump should have said this, he should have done that, How could he do this, etc...on and on it goes.
YET, nobody is mentioning the fact that Hillary can barely even stand up (look at every speech there is a chair there, she even had to sit while Biden spoke for those few minutes), she has 3 medical professionals within 4 feet of her at all times. She has made some major boo-boo's - like screaming at a rally that she was going to raise taxes on the middle class (if Trump made that gaff they would say he was an idiot and didn't know what he was doing). Or, the fact that she is outright lying about what the FBI said when we have his entire speech on tape which clearly contradicts what she says everyday. But none of that's news...look over here at this shiny object (Trump) instead.
I don't like either candidate, but you have to be either blind deaf and dumb OR totally partisan (which in and of itself is blind , deaf and dumb!) not to see the obvious one- sided criticism coming from all journalistic vehicles.
Heidi Just watch some Fox News if you don't feel that Hillary is criticized enough. That's their main purpose right now - picking her apart.
Good to see Evan McMullin making it on the ballot for a few states. He will give Republicans and Independents a good choice. Good conservative values, appears intelligent, even tempered and well spoken.
MB- That's what's become sad about today's media. I used to never watch FOX because I didn't want to become "brainwashed". Now, the rest of the media has become so biased that I have to watch FOX or read their website, otherwise I'll just get leftist propaganda about how Hillary is a perfect savior and Trump is a racist who will lose in a huge landslide. It's sad, really.
and bonv, the progressives can go with the green party candidate who is a much better choice for them than hillary. Dems can vote for Jill Stein. you should consider it too, i can't believe that a smart caring individual like yourself is really going to vote for hillary, Bonv, you have shown yourself to be a much more thoughtful, educated, and involved person than that, unless of course the real goal is to spread out and dilute the conservative vote so that the physically infirm and ailing Hillary Clinton wins, (is this a version of operation chaos??)
;) (wink)
Thanks BD but Trump is the lowest of the low and in the grand scheme Hillary is better and frankly I have to give her kudos for putting up with the BS campaign of malice against her for the last 25+years (yea, others feel exactly the opposite). But considering that this is NOT an ordinary election year I think that a 3rd party may actually have a small shot - the problem is that Johnson and Stein are also not the best candidates either. Like I said so far Evan is coming off really well and will need to see how many ballots he is able to get on.
Trump calls for full disclosure of Hillary's medical records but his contribution is to have his paid DR issue a "he's OK" DR's note with zero support. We know he was 4F in the 70's with apparently a bone spur that lasted years.
But wait, there's more. Trump's A-OK letter looks like a signed paper where the letter was computer-generated after the signature. There is zero medical records, just a thumbs up. And the DR. listed his email and web address although the web address is wrong. Now, I am no Trump supporter but I know Heidi has a friend who knows a DR that will tell you Doctors never give out their email address.
Plus he's a gastroenterologist, so is this the guy to tell us about Trump's health?
Don's dad died from Alzheimer’s disease; there is a test for the genetic component and you know Trump has been tested. I mean we are talking about a guy who actually said he had all his dates tested for STDs. He often called it his own Vietnam. Yeah Don, your version of war is hell. Wonder what the Alzheimer's results are? http://funnynewsfix.com/does-donald-trump-have-dementia-its-hereditary-and-the-signs-are-there/
Why else would a man losing in the polls focus his rallies on CT, Maine, and Wisconsin? Either nuts or suicidal.
Why does Trump always wear a coat? What medical condition is he hiding under that suit? Why is his skin orange? Is he suffering from Carotenemia?
I have heard that Trump should be tested for Tourette's; you be the judge.
But most likely is that Trump suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Many have said so and the way he acts seems to make him the poster child for this mental defect. http://bigthink.com/artful-choice/less-than-artful-choices-narcissistic-personality-disorder-according-to-donald-trump
But until Trump releases his records: medical, tax, immigration, whatever, it's all just conjecture. At least it would be fair it he released records equivalent to what Hillary has released rather than some trumped-up phony Dr's note.
SD - His doctors note looks no more fugazy than your presidents birth certificate.
In all seriousness - either they both release their records or neither should have to.
In addition - don't you think the physical performance gate specifically in regard to an orthopedic injury is higher for someone about to attend basic training and enter armed conflict rather than perform an office job? Trumps military physical is irrelevant.
Says a Mets fan?! Lol... My team was in the World Series last year... How about yours...
DR. DREW: ‘Gravely concerned’ over Hillary Clinton’s health
After taking a “dispassionate” look at Hillary Clinton’s medical information, Dr. Drew Pinsky says he is “gravely concerned” about her health status.
Pinsky was alarmed by the treatments for some of her ailments, particularly for blood clots.
He said she’s been given Armour Thyroid, “which is very unconventional and something we used to use back in the 60s.
“And both (Huizenga) and I went, ‘hmmm, that’s weird.’
“So she goes on Coumadin. That’s weird because Coumadin really isn’t used anymore,” adding surely a presidential candidate would be given a “newer” remedy.
Pinsky noted Clinton has a very rare blood clot in the “collecting system for the celebral spinal fluid,” which he says “guarantees somebody has something wrong with their coagulation system.”
He concluded her health care “looks bizarre.”
He added that she had to wear the prism glasses because she sustained “brain damage,” but he doesn’t believe it’s hurt her cognition.
http://theamericanmirror.com/dr-drew-gravely-concerned-hillary-clintons-health/
"Why does Trump always wear a coat, what is he hiding under that suit"? You should know what he his hiding, his big hands, his big hands.
Shoulder holster? In all seriousness - I've worked in Manhattan for a good portion of my life and even in the summer most white collar workers wear at minimum a suit with no tie - that's considered business casual - dress down Friday is different colored slacks from your blue blazer. Trump is a prep and has lived and worked on NYC his entire career - it may be a cultural thing.
Trump went to military schools and private schools - it was drilled into his head that this is how you dress.
Have you ever had a bespoke suit? They're tailored and very comfortable - it would not surprise me if this is his preferred manner of dress.
Trumps suits are 5 figures with shoes a pop - I'm sure they are amazing.
Also look at his suits he has 2 styles one in charcoal and one in navy and always a white shirt - in his circles the flair is in the ties and jacket lining - believe it or not.
Well BDog may have found the root cause. Let's see what else TV med star Dr. Drew has said (to boost ratings...)
"Dr. Drew Pinsky: Trump may be mentally ill — so what does that say about his supporters?" This one's about you, dogmeister: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/dr-drew-pinsky-trump-may-be-mentally-ill-so-what-does-that-say-about-his-supporters/
"Dr. Drew Examines the Possibility That Trump Has Gone Insane" http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/dr-drew-analyzes-whether-trump-has-lost-his-mind
Bottom line is Dr. Drew likes good ratings and probably knows his demographics quite well. At least that's my diagnosis.
I am actually listening to Trump in Charlotte. His speech is definitely a reminder of why he is a presidential candidate. We'll see how his words get twisted. It should be interesting.
I like the non prompter trump. But I really think he will attract some on the fence voters with a solid speech like this one in Charlotte. If he prompts the majority of the rest of his speeches it's over without a doubt. CNN couldn't even pick anything out to bash him on. That spells trouble for Clinton.
So strangergoogle, the good dr drew says trump is nuts, also says the wicked witch is croaking, may be he's right, whatcha think? like we all don't already know. So sg, you peruse the alternet, figures, my cousin actually runs it. He's nuts too.
Sinic, the whole thing is nuts on all sides as arm-chair doctors diagnose patients based on body language.
Picture Trump's doctor....oy, that's a picture... letter starts with a typo: To Whom My Concern... Dr types that Trump tested positive for everything as if written by a layman. In the medical world, negative is the good one Doc... The doctor claims to be a Fellow of the ACG. He stopped paying dues and being one years ago and is not a member much less Fellow. His listed web site does not work. What real doctor gives out his email address. You know Trump had it, but why was it included on the letter...ghost writing by the business sector? And Trump's doc uses gmail...whoa...there's a HIPPA security violation in the offing. He claims to be part of a Department at Lennox, he is not. At most, he is affiliated.
And anyone every have a doctor say "astonishing excellent" about anything? I guess you have to say that if you dare to say “The healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency," a claim that it just impossible much less provable.
The few meds listed could be for many diseases including mental defects.
Oh yeah, and Jacob, listed on the letterhead, died in 2010.
So is he lying? Probably not. Did he generate the letter? Probably not unless he is the stupidest doctor on the planet. Did he sign it. Probably.
Is Trump healthy enough to be President. Maybe. Probably. Too bad he is against releasing any type of records like taxes, medical, immigration, paid-for speeches, etc. I mean it's not like he's trying to nail the most important job in the world.....
And yes, Hillary should match or drop.
And the revolving door of Trump campaign managers pivots again. Out with the mad Russian and in with legitimate Republican front person and right-wing assassin behind-the-back man.
Trump pivots in Charlotte. It's a love fest.
Yet a question.
If the new Trump is the real Trump, then who was that weird primary Trump? Which one was the con. You be the judge.
Personally I say it's time for Warren and Kahn to pinch that thin skin and see if Don's awake.
I can sense the fear.
I guess its better to break out the quill and prove that your (fill in the blanks) than to sheath the quill and let people guess that your (fill in the blanks)
At least Donald Trump took the time to visit LA flood areas. Where is Hil/Bill or even our Commander in Chief. Oh, I forgot, he is vacationing and playing golf.
I'm pretty sure Trump was there to see what he can scoop up on the cheap rather than out of any real concern for the victims...
Yea. Good job by Trump. Natural Disasters sites make for great photo ops.
Did he donate a truck load of Trump water too?
Whatever his reasons, he made the trip and showed concern. The others didn't bother. Do you really think she has concern for anyone other than herself and the fact that she would would be forever known as the first female President? I don't. I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of the Democrats mouth. Does "we don't pay ransom" ring a bell? Now it's called leverage. Yeah, right.
Yeah, bad optic week for dems. Leverage whatever. Looked bad before SDept wank linked it after his previous de-link. May not be bad but sure looks bad.
In a perfect world, politicizing the storm would be that. But given the back seat the msm has given this over olympics and other, Trump did them a service IMHO just by forcing coverage. Technically Hillary may have already done more by sooicting help which may be better but still looks bad.
And Obama. Geez man. Can you say Bush Katrina moment. Here's a buck, buy a clue Think he gets what an idiot award on this one. He deserves the same fate as Bush suffered over this if he doesn't step up like NOW.
Yeah, they use the leverage word when they are caught lying. Funny not much in the press regarding this. Now you know why I said Obama looked uncomfortable talking about this a week or so ago. What a bunch of clowns.
"I'm pretty sure Trump was there to see what he can scoop up on the cheap rather than out of any real concern for the victims..."
Read two posts up from your last.
Really justwondering how many people were diverted from helping the truly needy so that Trump could get his photo op times that by 20 for the commander-in-chief
I so cannot wait for the presidential debates where Trump has to go one-on-one with Hillary Clinton if he does them at all no more sharing the stage with 17 other people that is where his campaign will go down the toilet never to return
And I never condone Bush for not going to New Orleans a fly by was good enough his presents was not needed again would take too many resources away from the truly needy what I do condone him for his hand picked brownie statement that he's doing a hell of a job which we all know was not true
Really, who was that masked man in NJ after Sandy hit.
" Really justwondering how many people were diverted from helping the truly needy so that (obama) could get his photo op times "
Oldred, for someone who is so sure Trump will implode, you think you would be more cheerful. If you think Trump's visit to Louisiana caused an intrusion what do you think will be caused when the president goes on Tuesday? Interesting to see he decided to go after Trump was there.
Oldred.... Trump will chew Hilary up at the debates and spit her out! Hilary is a fraud and Trump will call her out on everything. She will have no where to hide!
outsider Trump couldn't debate himself out of a paper bag which is why he has already made several attempts at getting out of them. The best he can do is throw a temper tantrum like he did during the primaries and start name calling. He can say a lot about Hillary but so can she about him since the list is long (i.e. taxes, spouse's immigration, Trump U, etc). It would be good if moderators make the debates about policies instead of sideshow BS but they haven't so far.
Poor Hillary would love to go to Louisiana, but she can't, because it would make Obama look even worse.
It would cause relatively little disruption, and offer much consolation, to have our president show up and offer support, plus share a plan. I do hope it doesn't become the cash cow for crooks that Katrina was.
I love it. Whichever side has "their" guy visit a disaster area, it's only for altruistic reasons. But if "the other" guy does the same, it's political pandering. This is exactly what both sides want. Blind soldiers.
Reminds me of Patrick Magoohan's masterpiece "the Prisoner", and the episode "Free for All".
“Unlike me, many of you have accepted the situation of your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages.”
--No.6; Free For All
Hold on now... I said the Trump visit was good and Obama missing was bad. Think he listened to Trump and not me though.
Just too amazing to ignore...why minorities should vote Trump: (Direct quote, countless attributions, this from the WSJ)
On Monday night at a rally in Akron, Ohio, Trump described the minority experience as: “Poverty. Rejection. Horrible education. No housing, no homes, no ownership. Crime at levels that nobody has seen. You can go to war zones in countries that we are fighting and it’s safer than living in some of our inner cities that are run by the Democrats.”
“Look,” he added, “it is a disaster the way African Americans are living, in many cases, and, in many cases the way Hispanics are living, and I say it with such a deep-felt feeling. What do you have to lose?”
Will his recent and frequent pivots add voters or is Trump just pivot screwing himself into a deeper hole? If the polls keep dropping, will ET (evil trump) call home?
The man with no plans is adopting establishment plans, both Democrat and Republican at breakneck speeds hoping to stem the hemorrhaging in his bloody poll results.
African American Plan
His new "what have you got to lose" inner city plan is really courting fence-sitting whites by trying to show that he is not a racist. Most blacks are smart enough to know what they have to lose.
Tax Plan Release 2.0
Trump Tax R2, is the Ryan Plan R1, has morphed to a simpler more expensive package that still holds the same promise: massive deficit unless GDP skyrockets. Trump quotes Reagan yet Reagan reduced a ridiculously high tax rate and pre-paid for the reductions with cuts. Trump is reducing historically low tax rates and he pays for nothing.
He simplified from 4 to 3 brackets by killing the 0 tax lowest bracket with smoke and mirrors. He raised the top rate from 25% to 33% against the current rate of $39.6%. Of course what isn't clear is how many loopholes would be closed and where the bracket begins. Current 1%-ers pay about 23% post deductions so if all deductions remain, they would only pay an effective 17%. The deleted 0% bracket is replaced by a 4-times increase to the standard deduction negating the need for 50% of all Americans to pay any taxes --- neat trick providing a loophole for the poor....
The business tax rate drops from 35% to 15% leaving only Ireland with a lower tax rate amongst developed nations. Current effective rate is 27% similar to most developed nations. Profitable US company's average 12.5% so even without loopholes, 15% is 10% lower than anywhere else in the world.
More egregious is Trump's instant gratification for business investments. The current method allows deductions across the lifespan of the asset. Trump would dump the full deduction the first year. So the good news is you will see mucho investment; the bad news is you will see massive tax revenue shortfalls. Also, when company's over invest to leverage taxes, you will see more failures and bankruptcies -- a bubble effect of rapid, massive over investment.
For the middle class, Trump offers to deduct all child care expenses. Again, this is an it-depends. You need to have kids and not be in the 50% that aren't paying taxes: a tax deduction only for the rich. OR you need it to be payroll tax incentive loophole to avoid personal tax to begin with. And then tax revenues would fall as would the programs funded by payroll taxes like SS, Medicare and Unemployment.
One thing is clear: Realizing he can't write a plan, Trump has co-opted the House Establishment plan. It favors the rich and he has no stated way to pay for the massive deficit except chutzpa. Oh yeah, and of course he kept the elimination of the inheritance tax on the uber rich so his family pockets $3B from Trump being elected. No wonder he is not really self funding. Schmuck.
Immigration Plan Release 2
Where's that wall? More important, Trump is co-opting the Obama immigration and deportation plans. He even complemented Obama on this one. There will be no mass deportations and there will be a path for staying in the U.S. Wild, what's next?
Muslim Ban R1.0, R1.1, R1.2 and....
R1.0 -- ban everyone, R1.1 - exclude citizens, military and guys who Trump knows, R1.2 --- well, how about just from targeted countries --- well, maybe not Muslims but country bans.....
Minimum Wage
R1 --- no increase, China China China
R2 ---- raise the minimum beyond $15
R3 ---- let the states do it
R4 ---- nah, I'll do it and make it $10.
I can keep going but I think Trump has already changed what I wrote......
Isn't this the same description Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Black Lives Matter use when talking about the black communities?
Just drive through parts of Newark and you see the way they live. The guy speaks the truth and people don't want to hear it. It's sad...
Metsman - "they" live. You just proved SD's point. It's not the "truth" but pandering to what *you* want to hear.
The Man - I look to the left of me, and I look to the right of me. And the answer is yes, he lied.
"Most Blacks are smart enough to know what they have to lose", really what would that be? What have a the Democrats provided the African American community? Great schools, safe communities, high unemployment, etc. The Democrats take the African American votes for granted. Look how great they have it in cities that have been under Democratic rule for decades, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, etc. Maybe Trump should reach out for the Jewish vote as they are helplessly in the pockets of the Democrats as well.
" It's not the "truth" but pandering to what *you* want to hear."
How is that any different than the other team's candidate?
The Man- an excerpt from an excellent article by Jamelle Bouie:
As big a problem as violent crime is in the nation’s most segregated and impoverished communities, the world Trump describes doesn’t exist for the vast majority of black Americans in 2016. For them, as for most Americans, crime is at historic lows, and cities are safer than they’ve ever been.
Despite this, Trump seems to envision an America where all blacks live in cities that are one part the Detroit riots of 1967, one part the Los Angeles riots of 1992, and one part John Carpenter’s Escape From New York.*
Which is all to say that Trump has taken his earlier appeal to black voters—or rather, his appeal to whites vis-à-vis blacks—and pushed it in a lurid and fantastical direction. In Akron, Trump didn’t describe life for black Americans as much as he described a white supremacist fantasy in which blacks live miserable, brutish, and nearly subhuman lives in cities dominated by feckless Democrats. And he punctuated that fantasy with a call to vigilance for his audience, asking them to watch out for “fraud” in those same neighborhoods.
For her part, Clinton responded to Trump’s “bigot” attack during a Wednesday night interview with CNN anchor Anderson Cooper.
“It reminds me of that great saying that Maya Angelou had, that, ’When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time,’” the Democratic nominee said. “And Donald Trump has shown us who he is. And we ought to believe him. He is taking a hate movement mainstream.”
Clinton added that Trump was “someone who has questioned the citizenship of the first African-American president — who has courted white supremacists, who has been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color, who attacked a judge for his Mexican heritage, and promised a mass-deportation force.” She said she would “have more to say about this” in a Thursday speech in Reno, Nev.
Trump on Bill O'Reilly's show:
All politicians adjust their positions to win votes. That's what makes them politicians.
But now, on immigration, Donald Trump is attempting an adjustment that can only be described as huge on a Trumpian scale.
Remember that immigration was the signature issue of Trump's successful Republican primary campaign. He repeatedly portrayed illegal immigrants from Mexico as a criminal scourge on immigrant American communities.
He blasted the policy of President Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Republican rivals as a weak-willed "disaster" tantamount to "open borders." He vowed to build a wall along the Mexican border and deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants now believed to be in the country.
Now Trump trails Clinton in the polls, both nationally and in battleground states. In this week's NBC/Survey Monkey tracking poll, the bombastic billionaire is behind by 8 percentage points as he draws just 22 percent among Latinos to Clinton's 73 percent.
Facing the need to build his support, he adopted a strikingly different new tone in this interview with Fox News host Bill O'Reilly: "The existing laws are very strong," Trump declined. "We're going to get rid of all of the bad ones. We've got gang members, we have killers, we have a lot of bad people that have to get out of this country.
"As far as everybody else, we're going to go through the process. What people don't know is that Obama got tremendous numbers of people out of the country, Bush the same thing. Lots of people were brought out of the country with the existing laws.
"Well, I'm going to do the same thing," he concluded. "We're going to go through the process like they are now, perhaps with a lot more energy."
GC,
I Iooked up and I looked down and I asked yankeefan. But thanks for the answer anyhoooo. :-)
Ask the African Americans living in the inner cities how safe they feel with crime at historic lows. I guess he doesn't see much crime living in Georgetown.
I believe it was the Clinton's that started the questioning of the citizenship of the first African-American president. Nice try tho
They mug people all the time coming out of the bars in Georgetown.
Wait, Trump is a politician now co-opting Establishment plans and promises? Pivoting like my blender. Flip-flopping like live shrimp on a Benihana grill.
Amazing part is when Trump was a populist racist fascist in order to win the primary, all the Trumpers said "well, we know what he said but we know what he really means...." And some pretty hard-case conservatives like Beck said: 'stop the boat, that's not conservative or constitutional."
Now that he is a compassionate conservative progressive in order to stop the hemorrhaging polls, all the Trumpians are saying, "well, we know what he telling us now but we also what he really means....." And now ultra conservatives like Coulter are saying "don't sell us out."
Turns out to a Trumper, it does not matter what he says, past, present or future. They already know what he really means. And that is: "what have you got to lose."
The Man...I answered above. You look, fail to see. Or comprehend.
Ollie, care to cite your source?
oh my has trumps immigration policies changed he must've realized Latino Americans didn't like what he was saying he's not going to win without their support a true politician will give up his core beliefs for a vote
I haven't known one of those "true" politicians ever with the exception of maybe Bernie Sanders. And basically his years in the senate were uneventful to say the least. Can you name me any others?
Ok honest question - Obama promised change and most of his initiatives were blocked by a republican super majority that was elected - what has changed that any of you believe that Hillary could be successful in the "fly over" states that put that super majority in congress - or that if elected she won't experience the same outcome?
What initiatives of Obama's were blocked by the republicans? Seems to me he's gotten everything he's wanted one way or another.
Ollie... for one thing , healthcare. Obama wanted an easy, affordable, quality plan, for all the people who don't have insurance, so they don't end up homeless from medical bills. The house shot it down so many times, the only way to get the ball rolling was to agree to the IRS fines, and making it more expensive than planned. That's just one, for starters. I'm sure "strangerdanger" can google many more things Obama tried to do and got his bills rejected. Also, they add on these rider bills, to get something passed. We get to vote on very little and most people don't have a clue what's in those sneaky, little rider bills they put in.
Trump's "new" behavior, doesn't fool me for a second. He's still a nasty, greedy, narcissistic, cheating, lying sociopath. I can't believe people still thinks he is actually presidential material. His temper and lack of political knowledge has already been proven, via his behavior. People can change, but the underlying personality is there. Always will be... and he still scares me.
"Obama wanted an easy, affordable, quality plan, for all the people who don't have insurance, so they don't end up homeless from medical bills."
Then why didn't the "solutions" focus more on addressing the real problem - the high cost of healthcare - rather than putting in place mandates that do nothing other than to simply ensure payment of those too-high costs? IOW, if his solutions are all about the forceful taking of funds from those who have, to pay for those who cannot afford the high costs of hc, is that really a "solution" at all or is it just taking the easy way out? And since the other team didn't want to address the problem either, what does that say about them as well?
Our collective lack of ability to discern symptoms from their underlying problems is the primary issue, not whether the blue guy will be better than the red guy.
"Our collective lack of ability to discern symptoms from their underlying problems is the primary issue, not whether the blue guy will be better than the red guy."
Of course, that's part of the plan - ignorant electorate. The more ignorant, the better, so they can play this deceiving game of "good cop/bad cop" against us, having us thinking that "their" side are the "good guys" and the "other side" are the "bad guys." What a racket.
And as for Trump changing his tune and softening on stuff like immigration- it'll cost him the election, and further alot of people's suspicions that he's been a plant all along.
Check this out, from a Trump supporter:
http://www.glennbeck.com/2016/08/24/donald-trump-supporter-threatens-trumps-life-on-air/
Sparks, both sides have been adding Riders to Bills for decades. It is not a new phenomenon. They should be able to vote on Bills straight up without adding (usually Pork) that benefits only a few.
Bill riders should be made illegal. (making the line-item veto unnecessary)
There should be term limits for ALL elected officials- if it's good enough for the president, it's good enough for everyone else .
(yes I know the Founders didn't include term limits, but I proffer their electorate wasn't as mindless and ignorant as our is LOL)
The 2-party system should be destroyed. Just ask George Washington, who warned us about political parties from the VERY BEGINNING.
Of course, those in power will NEVER ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
It would be great if Trump was the start of a great (voting) revolution- anger at both parties, so start electing people who aren't career politicians.... but I don't see that happening.
It was the party of Lincoln believing that all men are equal and doing something historic to make it so. Principled ideas backed up by bold action favoring individual rights as well as the moral high ground. Weren’t too bad on 60’s civil rights either, at least a goodly number of moderate and liberated Republicans. Conservatives, the minority, both D and R, not so much so.
Today it is the party of Trump, the principled party. The stand on their principles is firm and unrelenting: either meet the standard or just say no. Everything can be boiled down to a principle. And you can’t compromise a principal. They would rather do nothing. The concept is really not that bad, a little inflexible, but not that bad IMHO. Trouble is the reality that it exists primarily on the narrow set of principles of frustrated old less educated white men combined with their principled interpretation of the Constitution. Sure, not all Republicans fall into this category, nor are their principles constrained to this narrow window, but the vocal voting moneyed block mostly is.
So they revel in their power of being right within the party. They see nothing but agreement all around them. Up against the wider world they bemoan diversity, rigged elections, liberal press, liberal judges, and, of course – the blockers in Congress – some of who are from their very party. The fact is that given the narrow definition of the principles of frustrated old less educated white men, the chance of electoral success is moot unless by some strange occurrence, the principles of other demographics align with those of frustrated old less educated white men. And while some of the principles are shared, a lot are not and they are big ones. And a lot are missing.
Trump has spoken to them, he mirrors their concerns and desires. They come out in droves to support their TV celebrity businessman politician. And therein lies the rub. Great ratings for a local channel don’t get you elected on the national network stage. Principles that are mired in any tight demographic cluster will not get you elected.
Does that make it wrong? Not necessarily. But it does mean you will not be elected. So be proud and shrink ever onward.
You can cry about the Democrats and Hillary selling out to the masses, entitling their way to power, catering to the special interests or whoever will pay to get them elected but there’s the key: the masses. Does that make it right? Not necessarily. But it does mean you will get elected growing your constituency by catering to their needs.
As to what it might mean for history --- our last progressive President before Obama grew the economy, longest peacetime expansion in our history, lowered taxes except on the rich, passed welfare reform (cuts), created child health coverage, cut federal budgets, lowered poverty levels, and left a budget surplus (no tax and spend). Not exactly a predetermined sell out to the masses via higher taxes and more regulation. More like compromise across the aisle to do some things right.
Recently we witnessed another great example of the differences between operating on principles and operating on compromise. The Bernie phenomena was met by Trump with an open armed invitation to join the movement and get some similar plans like Free Trade. Trump remained firm on his principles. Hillary instead co-opted a lot, not all, but a lot of The Bernie plans while letting Bernie basically write the Democratic (not Hillary’s) platform welcoming Bernie-ites with open arms and compromise. She leaned left in compromise to this demographic. So Trump has his principles and Hillary has some new ideas and a mass of voters.
Now Trump is reborn once again for the third pivot. How many more pivots before he drills himself into the ground. Can he hold or will he revert? Which will win: teleprompter or thin skin? And which is the real Trump, rational, lithium, pivot Trump or wild man unbound primary principled Trump? Did he pivot too early to hold those frustrated old less education white men? Did he pivot too late and “principle” too much to turn white Independents? And will that be enough? Because certainly he has lost latinos, blacks, muslims, asians, pows, disabled, gold star family supporters, Iowa, jews, left wing and centrist Democrats.
As a party, evolve or die. Republicans said this after the Romney debacle and instead during this election season, they let those frustrated old less educated white men triple down on the principles of the past. Didn’t work then, even worse today. Either you become a party of inclusion or remain a party of exclusion --- that’s a choice. The electoral outcome seems pretty darned certain if you decide to stay the course.
spoken like a true career politician, SD .... are you sure you don't hold public office?
If everything is so sectarian why elect a president that can't get anything through congress? If Hillary is elected it will be a significant hurdle to get any scotus appointments confirmed and I fear she will experience the same fate as Obama getting any legislation through - just a thought was Curous to how Hillary supporters felt this could be overcome should she be successful - it's not as of the RNC goes away if she is elected
I guess those old uneducated white men are sick of the status quo in DC, aren't you?
Meanwhile the State Department releases a statement tonight that it won't be able to meet the deadline of providing the schedule of who Hilary Clinton had meetings with outside of the normal ones involving her job as Secretary of State. The Associated Press has asserted that many of those meetings were fit into her schedule at the request people who eventually became donors to the Clinton Foundation.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/26/clinton-state-dept-schedule-wont-be-released-until-after-election-day.html
Also released today was that the recording by the State Department where 8 minutes of tape was magically missing which showed that the Government was holding secret meetings with Iran while vehemently stating otherwise in public that they were not doing so. They couldn't come to a conclusion if it was a technical glitch or wilful misconduct.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/26/second-state-dept-unit-conducted-probe-into-mysterious-deletion.html
As I stated before they take the American Public for fools but I don't believe they have fooled those uneducated white men.
Skippy I don't think she will have the same issues with congress as Obama has because the down ticket elections will probably go democrat, changing the make up and majority party in the house and senate.
From the Borowitz Report:
VIRGINIA (The Borowitz Report)—Calling it a “scary moment” and a “close call,” Donald Trump’s campaign officials confirmed that they had recaptured Mike Pence after the Indiana governor attempted to flee the campaign bus in the early hours of Friday morning. According to the campaign, Pence had asked to stop at a McDonald’s in rural Virginia so that he could use the bathroom, but aides grew concerned when the governor failed to reappear after twenty minutes. After determining that Pence had given them the slip, Trump staffers fanned out across the Virginia backcountry, where the governor was believed to have fled. News that Pence had vanished touched off a panic in Indiana, where residents feared that he might return to resume his political career. ...
KB: "I guess those old uneducated white men are sick of the status quo in DC, aren't you?" Yes, of course. But I choose Hillary to break the logjam via politics, process, and compromise. I believe Trump might attempt to break the logjam using nuclear force overkill. He also shows little acumen for history, world events, and the constitution. Sure, you can say Hillary will void the constitution but at least she knows what it is and will do so....constitutionally. I think a nuclear solution will hurt more than help and is worse for the country than compromise and political persuasion. So we both agree to the problem, we just see different solutions.
Your second issue is a perfect storm for a conspiracy tsunami. It's from a December 2013 press briefing. John Kerry started as SoS in February of 2013 so Hillary is out of this one. OK, it's a press briefing that has been purposefully, not illegally, edited. No glitch, it was edited. And edited poorly. Did I mention is was a public press briefing? No secret, everyone was there. Not sure where the "showed that the Government was holding secret meetings" was a secret except when the meetings were held. Certainly wasn't a secret by the time of this press briefing. Oh yeah, the written transcript was never edited and always included the passage so no secrets in the written version. And yes, the government weasel-worded the exchange to shield the private talks. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/it-wasnt-a-glitch-state-department-deliberately-cut-embarrassing-questions-from-press-briefing-video/2016/06/01/68ab3664-2837-11e6-b989-4e5479715b54_story.html
For the first conspiracy, this one is better since it alludes to great malfeasance but pinpoints none. The lack of malfeasance can not be proven but the question remains open so the perfect conspiracy storm. Since timing is the issue, let me suggest this:
Step 1 --- get the donor list and pull all foreign donors (available public information)
Step 2 --- pretend all had special access to Hillary as SoS through CGI email solicitations. So far, all fall into your trap but nothing illegal in access this way.
Step 3 --- Now find a quid pro quo for any of those foreign donors.
Step 4 ---- Scream "Oh shat, no one can find any."
Step 5 --- return to Step 3.
So there you go. They all had special access, now find the quid pro quo.
"Step 3 --- Now find a quid pro quo for any of those foreign donors.
Step 4 ---- Scream "Oh shat, no one can find any."
Step 5 --- return to Step 3."
Why make donations in the first place if you don't expect to get something for the effort? Would you do it personally?
Don't know if this was posted yet either:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-dnc-contributions/
I suppose those folks too, the one's working around the intent of donation limits, have nothing to gain either? After all, quid pro quo is nothing more than getting something for giving something. Just because the "getting" part is obfuscated (ahem, by folks manipulating the system) doesn't mean it's not happening. Surely, why in the world would people go to so much trouble to let Hillary know they are supporting her if there is nothing given in return?
If one were the speculating type, "Bleachbit"ing ones drive would make for quite an eye-brow raising action given that the quid pro quo you are adamant doesn't exist (ie no one can prove it) may very well have been on that drive. Just sayin'
We want work and we are equaal and work just as hard as you folk. Please give us chanse Mr. Chump ! Sory mean Mr Trump. Hillary 2016 !
Felipe There should never have been any communications between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation. There were. And the emails requested seats at US government dinners, with elected officials. Don't water that down. I would love to have dinner with Joe Biden. Can't afford it.
Felipe, we are all equal in the eyes of God. I hope you are a registered voter, so that you can vote for your favored candidate.
"There should never have been any communications between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation." Why? Because it looks bad? You are right, it looks bad.
With or without money, there will always be a myriad of manners to gain access. Movie stars with an agenda and without a clue gain access. Successful business people gain access. Inventors and scientists gain access. Why? Does it look bad? I know I always raise an eyebrow when Clooney comes to Washington.
If money was not involved, would that make it better? And what of the money. Did it go into the Clinton's pockets. Nope. Not a penny. It went to charity with a reasonable overhead charge. It lowered the price of HIV/AIDs meds to 9 million sufferers for example. It sometimes acts not like a foundation giving money to others to run programs but instead runs the programs and maybe the services themselves owning the entire "charity value chain." It also does not act like a foundation sometimes engaging in donor consultation where donors set up programs that may even use Foundation services to fulfill the program. Ambitious, inventive and byzantine, the Foundation even hosts the CGI conference where world leaders discuss future philanthropic plans and perhaps other things.
In the end though, it's a charity with the vast preponderance of donations going to the needy and none going to the Clinton's income. And yes, with it's ambition and willingness to invent, it makes mistakes like all charities do, and some that other charities can not, and not every program is a home run.
Does it benefit the Clinton's financially? Kinda? Lets Bill travel in style and live the lifestyle he wants as philanthropist to the world funded by the rich and famous, some looking to talk to his wife. Probably didn't hurt Hillary's speaker price tag post her SoS gig. Monetary quid pro quo. Nope.
So, no doubt donating to the Clinton Foundation provides an unusual access path to Hillary. What are some other forms of access? Perhaps donating to the Heinz Family Foundation to get to John Kerry. Or The Trump Foundation or The Eric Trump Foundation to get to Trump. The ET foundation's Board of Directors is replete with Trump moneymen. Yes, the rich and famous will always butt in line for access and there will always be other connections too. Inappropriate? Kinda, maybe, it depends. Illegal --- hell no. Stoppable ---- only if we totally cut our leaders off from the real world. And for Hillary, if that means tearing down the Clinton Foundation or rejecting access because you are a donor ---- sad day for charity.
The litmus test is the quid pro quo and so far, you've got squat.
The strict party line blinders are on stranger. People should have just donated, no contact with the US government. Period, end of conversation. The good could have been done without the contact for meet & greet. Stop making excuses.
We won't know if there is a quid pro quo because the e-mails won't be released until sometime after the election if at all. Also another 13,000 e-mails were recently discovered after Clinton said her lawyers turned over everything. On Obama talking about the 400 million payment to Iran' " Everyone knew about the payment we were upfront about it" except for the minor detail that the payment was made in hard currency and that the hostages were not released until the hard cash was delivered. Continue to sugarcoat the gang who promised to be the most transparent Administration. And what if your litmus test shows there was a quid pro quo, should she step down or be impeached if elected?
I really like reading your posts, SD. What has Trump contributed, charity wise, to this country or any human being? Nothing that I can think of. Hillary and Bill have been activists for humanity type organizations, since they were in college. Before they were famous. That alone shows good character. I'm yet to see any compassionate statements, past or present, come from Chump. A tweet or pre-arranged speeches, via a teleprompter don't cut it. He can't read authentically. The real Chump, already opened up his true nature. All his "new" black, gay, Muslim, Hispanic and woman voters aren't going to buy it. Sorry, Chump, they are not all poorly educated.
Black votes matter, gay votes matter, Muslim votes matter, Hispanic votes matter, women votes matter...the theme for both candidates now. White male votes do not matter.
Well, certainly not white males who use a death to try to get votes...
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I would think if there is a major quid pro quo, she is out of there. However, doing something that favors a donor is not necessarily a quid pro quo if it was something we would have done anyhows.
Point I made earlier is that we have the donor list and the resultant Hillary-controlled or Hilliary-influenced outcomes so do we really need an email to prove quid-pro-quo? So far many people looking, nothing yet. Perhaps the emails will shed light on an action that is a quid pro quo but does not look like a quid pro quo. Good luck.
Now we have 14,900 more emails to go through first to weed out the classified and then the personal and then you can have at them. Of course, the FBI has already had at them reducing that chance for a smoking gun. So far, access has been proven but not action. And access was generally pushed by the Clinton Foundation, Hillary's team was on the acceptance side.
Good luck: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/08/23/experts-new-clinton-state-dept-emails-show-donor-access-not-favors/89118156/
Tell you what, how about some red meat: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/clinton-donor-sensitive-intelligence-board/story?id=39710624
Point is that even if it looks like mud, probably won't stick.
Like I said, IMO this is a unique unusual form of access that looks bad but the rich and famous always have greater access with or without a charity foundation in the mix. To nix access by all charity donors is not the best solution either given that one major effect would be less charity.
Speaking of charity, yes Sparks, we have detailed Trump's complete lack of philanthropy is appalling. In the last 4 months, it is estimated that he has given more charity than in the past decade ---- combined. His one and only attempt to serve the public in any manner is to ask for the top job in the world. And in that, his stated tax plan will net the Trump family $3B in profit ---- not exactly public service in my book. Oh yeah, ten other guys will benefit from that "public service" act too.
No wonder he hides his taxes. Even when you find Trump giving to charity, it can turn into what looks like a deal: conservation easements on his golf courses deducted as charitable contributions, rounds of free golf (for the poor?).
How Trump is charitable: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-promised-millions-to-charity-we-found-less-than-10000-over-7-years/2016/06/28/cbab5d1a-37dd-11e6-8f7c-d4c723a2becb_story.html
And wait, there's more of Trump giving less: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/06/five-questions-we-still-cant-answer-about-donald-trumps-charity-donations/
Least we don't have to worry about Trump Foundation access. But do we have to worry about illegal access to Trump? Well, there's his financial associations with The Mafia, The Russians,
Trumpacinno: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910
How Trump works for Trump: a recent example. Trump has his campaign run down to Barnes n Noble, drop $55,000 of Donor money, buy your own book, and then give it out at the convention. One possible problem --- if Trump accepts the royalties, he's breaking the law. You can't put donor dollars in your pocket. Hopefully he spoke with Mike Pence, an expert on the topic.
Of course he's going to hide his taxes. He doesn't want the public to see how much money he has in offshore accounts. How many things he has manufactured, overseas.(Just this campaign is generating $100's of millions of dollars, and giving the Chinese more jobs, making Chump crap), Reveal cash owed to people he was trying to employ, off the books, mostly the very type of people he is trying to keep out. Remind the public about his 6 bankruptcies and two ex-wives, he has to pay alimony to, using laws to get out of debt, even though he was a hell of a lot wealthier, than the people left holding the bag. Alimony? tax deductible. Revealing his taxes, is going to remind people of his history and reveal some very startling ways of his character and credibility regarding re-investing in the country he would like to represent. I would love to see the page that has currency information regarding wire transfers to and from Russia. Hooovaaa..
Yupper. I would gather the big ones are: Russian and Chinese investments or profits, small hands-small charity donations, and a big one ---- small hands-small wages...I am betting he makes little in annual income. It's probably all shielded by tax free investment income resulting in a HUGE payout but zero taxes.
Oh yeah, probably some whopper deductions like the deduction for building a golf course in NJ instead of Trump Towers II. Gosh, I love that benefit. Can't you just feel the green?
The biggest one though won't be the lack of income, won't be the lack of charity, won't be the lack of tax payments. The biggest one is that it will also shatter the myth of the $10B man, his claim to elect-me Presidential fame. Of course since $3B of the $10B is "good will" based on his brand name, Trump, that's what he will lose if he loses the election since his name will be Drumpf then.
In 1976, Trump claimed to be a $200M man; in 1978 casino filings of his tax returns for 1978 and 1979 said he took a income loss of $3.8 million, paid ZERO in taxes, and yet, still got the loans and the casinos.
In 1984, Trump claimed to be a sole proprietor making NO INCOME but racking up $600K in expenses to pay ZERO taxes. In the subsequent legal battle over these shenanigans, no original tax form could be produced --- just copies.
CBGB You mean like the Clinton's whose charitable donations are to their own charity. They are both ass clowns as are most politicians.
Because only an ass clown would create a charity and give money to it. That's a wrird thought.
A non-establishment hero would create The Trump Foundation and never give to that charity. Then make the Vets beg for the donations he promised to hand over but held. Or have a son create The Eric Trump Foundation for St. Judes and stiff that one two. Sick kids are weak anyway.
"Because only an ass clown would create a charity and give money to it. That's a wrird thought."
Not only, but it obviously happens ;-)
Trump has decided he needs a special “major speech,” to explain his war on illegal immigrants. Seems folks can’t understand the message. Apparently “build a huge wall and deport 11 million illegals plus ban all Muslims is a pretty tough concept to comprehend. Or will there be something a little more complex, some nuance to the obvious? OK, Captain Obvious, it’s not a softening, that’s a weak word. Instead it maybe be more like a imperceptible subtle extremely tiny reduction in the total overall huge effort of a very robust massive Make America Great Again implementation procedure. A less hardening so to speak.
Luckily for HLers, I have the inside HL Digest skinny on “the less hardening.” It’s not as soft as you might think and, matter of fact, will strengthen the borders like never before.
First, the Great Wall of Trump will be even greater. It will now extend across the Gulf of Mexico, around the tip of Florida and 100 miles up the coast. A similar extension will run up to Los Angeles. These Ocean walls will be made out of bullet-proof glass so as to not obscure the view and will be Hurricane-proof to provide extra protection to the Gulf and Florida Coasts. Trump wave makers will be deployed so as to not offend the Surf Nazi’s, an important Trump voting block.
All illegal aliens and undocumented workers and certain judges will be deported except for:
There will be a naked truth dispensation for those who immigrated on short-term vacation visas but chose to work illegally as if on a H1B visa. However, there will be the firm stipulation that they will have to pose totally nude so we can check for any anti-American tattoos. Then they can stay if deemed attractive enough creating new year-round jobs for Beauty Pageant judges.
There is a love-based allowance for all those who faked a marriage of convenience as long as they later married legally at some point. Especially if they married for money to prove their devout Americanism.
There’s the kiddie clause. If an anchor baby can prove nobility in their lineage, say like a Barron, then they and their mother can stay. Illegal fathers must go however.
And then there’s the political passage: all illegal alien communists can stay, just Muslims and Mexicans have to go.
For people looking to enter the U.S. for business, education, or pleasure, there will be religious screening Constitutionally administered by pure blood American Christians. A carefully administered simple test will be given to all entering the U.S.
- What religion do you practice? Muslim --- can’t get in.
- Who won the crusades? Bahri Mamluks --- can’t get in.
- Are you a terrorist? Yes --- proceed to Guantanamo.
- Do you speak Arabic? Yes --- proceed to Guantanamo.
For folks suspected of lying on the test and most non-whites, a more in-depth test will be used. Placed in a windowed room, if they turn East at dawn, immediately after noon, in the mid-afternoon, at sunset or at night, they will not be allowed into the country. Since this test might take a few hours to undertake, while waiting, a nice meal of BBQ’d pulled pork made by Monks and served on a nice toasted sliced Challah alongside a draft IPA will be provided. Anyone partaking in the meal can enter the U.S.
"We will have borders like we never had before. Trust me, it will be great!"
SG, you're a funny guy, a complete wacko, but a funny guy. Keep on smokin that wacky weed and amusing us all at the same time. By the by and as I have said, yeah Trump is "out there" but the wicked witch is truly scary. Keep in mind too, that my vote cancels yours no matter how much you bloviate. And to you sparks64, would you please enlighten us on one thing, yup just one thing, humanity wise, that the witch and Billery (the great stain maker) have done "since college" And if you believe that Trumps tax returns would reveal any of the bs items you blather about, then you're either completely disingenuous or a complete moron. Want to guess which?
Hey, all you techies out there - Do we not have laser and GPS technology to create a wall around our southern border that would be more effective and less expensive than stone, concrete an barbed wire?
GPS??? No. It doesn't work that way. Even if something like a laser trip wire didn't need line of sight and couldn't be compromised, it's no barrier. You still need to dispatch someone that could be a half hour away by helicopter.
Cynic: Why won’t Trump release his taxes then? There is no legal or physical reason. And if he is that scared of his math errors revealed from a release during audit, there’s always 2014 and earlier returns. No, Trump’s tax returns will take him out of the election proving he is unfit to be President.
DannyC: the answer has always been E-Verify. Instead of blocking people from illegally coming here to get jobs, you just stop them from being hired. Undocumented worker problem solved for all countries, not just Mexico.
Meanwhile, why isn’t the MSM telling us how Trump Model Management made a profitable business based on financially abusing undocumented workers, many in their teens, violating immigration laws illegally as Trump’s white-slavery operation was Trump’s TMM overt modeling business plan. This story highlights how disingenuous and disgusting your twitter-in-chief really is. It is just plain gross.
I warn readers in advance, this one will turn your stomach. Trump Modeling made massive profits telling young naïve models how to use vacation visas while working modeling jobs in the U.S. While not unique in the modeling world, TMM excelled at squeezing profits by breaking immigration laws and ripping off it’s clients. TMM would coach models how to get a vacation visa and how to ship portfolios through the mail so they wouldn’t get caught at customs. If successful, TMM would help models lie to get their H1Bs (or marriage visas); thousands of H1Bs were obtained --- the very program Trump says is immoral. Meanwhile TMM would pen their young female cattle in overcrowded cramped quarters, dormitory style bunk beds, charging $1,600 for a bunk bed when studio apartments went for $1,200 just next door. Other charges to “help” them further their modeling career for “special services” were just as egregious for make-up, hair, learning to walk the runway. Many models ended up working hard, earning nothing or even owing TMM after years of work.
Another shameful aspect of TMM was Trump working the other side of the pay-for-play street. He has no problem paying politicians for profit, it’s just how Trump business is done. First he donated as much money as one can to pervert House candidate Anthony Weiner. After election Weiner immediately authored a bill to allow 1,000 unknown models gain immediate work visa’s treating them like visiting experienced athletes and entertainers. Apparently citing a shortage of American models (and prospective wives), Wiener’s bill was shot down faster than Trump Vodka went under.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/models-trump-agency-worked-u-s-illegally-report-article-1.2771769
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration
Meanwhile it’s week three since Trump announced that Melania would be giving her immigration tell-all press conference in two weeks…….
Cynic, thanks for your sweet compliment. After reading your posts, I realized, coming from you, the comments regarding my intelligence, is a compliment! I'm not stuck on reality, "Paris Hilton", type shows, like Trump's entire life, including his half-assed, violence inciting, hate speeches and his" heart warming" tweets, that he pays his advisors to post, when there's a tragedy, like you are. Maybe you should stay away from Fox, for a while. Your judge of character, is not the best, and that's why, what you may think is an insult, to me, I view as a compliment. Thanks again for your kind words.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/trump-entertains-200000-at-his-campaign-events-in-august-hillary-only-10000/
Trump Spoke to 200,000 Supporters at His August Campaign Events - Less Than 10,000 Came Out to See Hillary
Mitt Romney had huge turnouts for his rallies. John McCain had huge turnouts too. But attendance at a rally doesn't really relate to the proportion of the population that's going to vote for a candidate. There are still millions of Democrats who will vote for Hillary because she isn't Trump - however I don't see any fire for Hillary of this magnitude.
Skippy, it's always amazing to see how many people plop down their cash to see a sideshow given a good barker. Frankly, I would love to go to a Trump rally just for the spectacle of it all. Think I will vote for him after?
"And to you sparks64, would you please enlighten us on one thing, yup just one thing, humanity wise, that the witch and Billery (the great stain maker) have done "since college"
You got to be kidding right? Yeah, no life of public service for these two.....
Number 8 and rising.... http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2015/02/bill-clinton-ranks-high-in-new-historical-presidents-study/
OK, maybe 20th... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
Some of this for Hillary is during college or during post graduate work. Remember, during college Trump was busy ducking the draft, developing multi-year bone spurs, and amassing over $2,000,000 from working for dear-old-racist-dad.
"Rodham helped canvass Chicago's South Side at age thirteen following the very close 1960 U.S. presidential election, where she saw evidence of electoral fraud"
"During her freshman year, she served as president of the Wellesley Young Republicans"
"Rodham organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students to recruit more black students and faculty"
"That summer, she worked her way across Alaska, washing dishes in Mount McKinley National Park and sliming salmon in a fish processing cannery in Valdez (which fired her and shut down overnight when she complained about unhealthful conditions)."
"She also took on cases of child abuse at Yale–New Haven Hospital and volunteered at New Haven Legal Services to provide free legal advice for the poor"
"There she researched migrant workers' problems in housing, sanitation, health and education."
"Rodham served as staff attorney for Edelman's newly founded Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts"
"During her time in Fayetteville, Rodham and several other women founded the city's first rape crisis center."
"while also working pro bono in child advocacy"
"Rodham cofounded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton
Just an example of the kind of public service Hillary has undertaken since her 4-year college, but still a law student: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/us/politics/how-hillary-clinton-went-undercover-to-examine-race-in-education.html?_r=0
Hillary's just not getting the same media coverage as Chump. But then again, he's friends with all the "big boys", who own/control the media. So... it's all Chump... all the time. 24/7 of free branding... and it works for consumers, so why not capitalize on it? Same thing happened to Bernie. He was the ONLY honest candidate. Very little coverage. So much so, that a lot of people never even heard of Bernie. I've asked several people, so I know first hand, how little coverage Bernie did get.
Things were pretty good during the Clinton years, and with Bill, in the background, as opposed to Melania, well, let's just say the Clinton talks over dinner, regarding world politics , has some MEANING.
Chump can't even get close enough to Melania, to even "muah" her cheek. Think of Beth, Dog's wife (the bounty hunter), and you will realize why Melanie stands far away from her Chump. Does she even have a "platform", in mind, in case they actually get into the Whitehouse? Besides shoes?
People don't change that much. Chump has already ruined his credibility. Did so, for years. This country is mostly a consumer based audience. Chump is counting on that mentality. "If he's a billionaire, maybe I'll become one, to!"... but its subliminal. We all got to see how the real Chump thinks. No turning back, now. Teleprompters, that he has a hard time following, will NEVER be able to hide his true nature. The temper, combined with spewing lies after lies, without substance or proof, is enough to scare me. Nothing has changed. Chump will always be a chump. The color red, is engraved in Chump supporter's minds. Even the newscasters, have to wear red. Every time I see a baseball cap, I think of Chump. Branding works beautifully... especially for those, who behave like lemmings or lack the knowledge to make an "educated" choice. Now I understand why he likes the "poorly educated", as he puts it.
Yes, there are educated people, for both sides. I enjoy all the different forums, and all the posters. I hope we can all still be "friends", and not let politics ruin the friendships, I've made here. Regardless of the outcome, we are stronger together, as a country, as a town and as a neighborhood, than a "house divided." Peace, my friends.
Sparks The thrust of my comment was directed at your lack of knowledge of what is and what is not disclosed on a tax return, either 1040 or 1120 and what you were spouting is not. (I have a MS in Taxation so I know a little about the subject) But then again the left rarely concerns itself with the truth. You apparently didn't read my comment about Trump either and, I don't watch Fox or CNN for that matter (WSG is my news source of choice) Seriously SG, is that the best your flying fingers could googlize re the witch's great philanthropic endeavors? Alas, I really expected better of you.
Can any of you Trump supporters tell me how the secretary of state has anything to do with immigration policy all I hear from this guy is how the Obama Clinton administration when did she become vice president and how come I wasn't notified and how they are letting in millions upon millions of illegal immigrants in which we all know isn't true the Obama administration has deported more illegal aliens then any president in history and what's this crap about illegal drugs coming across the border if Americans didn't want the drugs there wouldn't be any problem don't blame the supplier blame the people that want it which are Americans and how about all these illegal aliens taking American jobs exactly how many Americans would be picking beans for 12 hours a day in the hot sun for minimum wage if that I would like to meet them for some ungodly reason he is elected President all Americans will feel the pain at the supermarket when you start paying 4 5 6 dollars a head for lettuce maybe you'll understand how valuable illegal immigrants are who do the jobs Americans won't do unless they are paid a livable wage yeah I get it you need a scapegoat( for Hitler it was the Jews) and I guess for Americans it's illegal immigrants they are an easy target but remember they do the jobs Americans look down on and would never do and I haven't forgotten about you meat eaters to it is conservatively estimated that 25% of all meatpacking employees or illegal aliens so when you start paying five dollars a pound for hamburger thank Donald Trump
Oldred, FYI, hamburger is almost $5.00 a pound now. Get a grip. You're becoming unhinged.
Ollie - Do you only shop at Whole Foods? Burger is $2.49 in this week's Shoprite circular.
Average price about $4.45 lb.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/meat-price-spreads.aspx
Yes, I only shop at Whole Foods and Kings. The 2.49 hamburger meat is barely meat. And what about you, do you eat fruit and produce? I'm sure there are illegals packing that stuff as well. Get off your high horse and stop acting like you're better than us "meat eaters."
The Man... the average price for ground beef in July per that spreadsheet was $3.69, not $4.45
"the average price for ground beef in July per that spreadsheet was $3.69"
If you like ground fat/low quality... lean beef prices jump up to $5.85/pound.
The average is $4.23/pound.
Man, when they said Trump was throwing red meat to the mob I thought they were using hyperbole.
This is a Trump thread, correct? More relevant to focus on baloney rather than beef...
A spokesman for Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto told Reuters that he and Donald Trump did discuss who would pay for the wall the GOP presidential nominee has promised to build if elected. The spokesman said Nieto told Trump that Mexico would not pay for it. This runs counter to what Trump said in a news conference following the meeting, in which he claimed they never discussed who would pay for the supposed wall. Nieto himself said the same thing in a follow-up tweet. “At the beginning of the conversation with Donald Trump I made it clear that Mexico will not pay for the wall,” Nieto claimed.
Hillary has her work cut out for her; Trump’s mainstay of “all publicity is good” that he used to edge the other primary runners out replete with lies, 4-pinnochio facts, and lots of abusive name calling is getting a bit more polish. Combined with Trump’s stimulated energy flow, he is consuming the airwaves, 24x7. And he remains standing even though he has now peddled back on everything he ever said except the wall. His current plans look like Cruz-lite, must make the other candidates suicidal that they couldn’t overcome this con man charlatan who now co-opts their ideas.
It’s just amazing. On one side of the border during a surprise fly-over, he talks about illegal immigrants and compassion with a man he accused of unspeakable acts, on the other side of the Rio it’s off-with-their-murdering-heads… He meets with Peña Nieto, he’s in his face and he wimps out on wall payment and doesn’t hear the “we ain’t paying for no stinkin wall” gauntlet being tossed out. Says it wouldn’t be respectful for a first meeting. Crikey --- this guy can’t spell respect. Hours later, safely away from Peña Nieto he bellows Mexico will pay for the wall. Trump says it was the start of a beautiful relationship, Peña Nieto says Trump is a threat to Mexico. Wanna guess what other world leaders think? It starts with nothing truthful ever comes out of this guys mouth. Nothing.
And then he delivers an immigration speech laced with lies, American nationalism, tough talk and very little specifics….again. He overtly caters to Latinos while repeating the same crud that turned them off in the first place. Somehow he even worked African Americans, the demise of the inner city, and email as immigration issues.
His ten step plan is unstable and uncertain as described in his own words. He finally stepped off deportation of 11 million illegals, apparently that was just a big fat lie to win the primary. Instead he will create a deportation force, plus tripling ICE, to focus on the criminal element. Anyone want to guess what that will cost you? About $10B and 40,000 guys. Hey, he is the jobs President, not smaller government… At one point in the speech, it’s a focus on dangerous criminals, at another point it might be a litterbug. And in the end, they all won’t be deported as he said ---- at that point we’ll figure out what to do with the rest. Here are a few of the newest lies:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/09/01/fact-checking-donald-trumps-immigration-speech/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/sep/01/fact-checking-donald-trumps-immigration-speech-pho/
Amazingly this was a good week for Trump in that he did not overtly shoot himself in the head. And that, combined with Hillary’s ongoing email hemorrhaging, gets him a bump in the polls.
"If you like ground fat/low quality... lean beef prices jump up to $5.85/pound."
When it comes to making a kick-ass burger, lean ground beef IS "low quality".
I didn't see any definitions on there, but I'm going top assume that ground beef, lean ground beef and extra lean ground beef are 80-20, 85-15 and 90-10, respectively.
I'll go with 85-15 for meatloaf and meatballs where you want to minimize the fat that renders out, but for other applications buying leaner meat is a waste of time and money and like I mentioned actually detrimental for a great burger.
Look at it this way: if you're paying 3.69 for a pound of 80-20, you're getting 0.8 pounds of lean meat for a cost of $4.61 per pound of pure lean beef. If you pay $5.85 for 90-10, you're paying $6.50 for that same pound of lean meat. Just throw a little extra 80-20 in the pan, a little extra grease in the jar and a little extra coin in your pocket.
ianima,
I agree nothin like the taste that fat renders, no matter what the price. And why settle for Crisco when you can have lard.
Trump's Latino Advisory Board has provided The Don will some great advice: I quit!
Yes, many members are leaving his recently created Latino Advisory Board after his speech citing being scammed by a con man offering them one story and then telling the world another.
Meanwhile did you hear the hoots n hollers at the Trump Immigration Speech as the Con Man In Chief basically told his supporters he would follow many of Obama's enforcement policies, triple down on the ICE force, but he would not deport 11 million illegals. And they cheered.
I think the funniest part was when he said the 11 million illegal number never changes (he hasn't caught on to the fact the problem is not growing since Obama increased deportation rates), no one knows the real number, might be 30 million (what's u smoking Don), BUT he will deport 2 million criminals ASAP. Yeah, that number he knows......
Plus all the gang members must go since The Don has decreed it's illegal to be in a gang......
After downing their red meat, Trump supporters plunked down $25 for a Make America Great Again hat.
Oh yes, by all means we should definitely let all the gangs stay in US. They provide such a great service to our country.
By the way, I'm wearing my Make America Great Again hat while chowing down on a big fat juicy steak. Yum!
Ollie - Steak sandwiches tonight at the American Legion in Hackettstown for $5, and I think most people there will like your hat.
ianimal,mark mc,
This is a fun site.
http://billcianciburgerreviews.blogspot.com/2015_03_01_archive.html
Better start a new thread where people can discuss their meat.
Yeah, but it ain't no Trump Steak and you're wearing the hat in private.....
Point was you can't be kicked out of America for being in a gang. You can be kicked out for being illegal alien. Just points to a level of profiling that will be interesting to see implemented. See gang colors, ask for papers.....
DannyC - Don't count on that. As with any where there is a diversity of opinions. While the overall sentiment about America is a part of the organization itself, there are some supporters and some not. Trump calling McCain a loser for his military record doesn't exactly go over well with some. And there are some that don't like the January fundraiser that he did and pledged $1 mill but never gave the money. Some still support the money that was raised and over look the other issues. A couple of people are very big supporters, another one told me last week that Trump was a cook and couldn't be trusted. Heard another that was very non-committal and said he's got to come through on vets support and until then they were neither for or against. It's all over the map and not so automatic.
I am not a cook.... :>)
Not to mention some gold star Moms and their friends might not be so high on Trumpy.....
Or many who look at his military strategies like killing terrorists and their families, torture worse than waterboarding, carpet bombing Syria, boots on the ground, stealing the plunders of war like oil to pay for the military efforts and wonder ---- is this our values? Many military leaders oppose Trump on legal ground, actively state the military won't follow certain Trump orders, and a number will resign if he is elected.
So yeah, even there it's a mixed bag at best.
And not for your Friday Trump Funnies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVAD70eSWA8
SD, you have no idea where I was eating that steak. Nice try though.
Maybe if we do start checking gang members there might be less gang related killings. And don't tell me aren't that many. Do you think all those shooting in Chicago are committed by honest, permit carrying citizens?
Who are all these military leaders who are against his military strategies who will step down if he's elected? Our military strategies haven't been all that productive in the last 8 years. The big hope and change turned out to be bs.
Ollie, Chump is going to rid America of ALL the gangs... Yay! He will let the documented, white supremacy, rich, gangs, suffering from "affluenza", run the show. He will even pay their legal bills, if they get in trouble. Most of them are probably kids, who's parents play golf, with Chump.
And now his even managed to p*ss off Putin! Forcing him to come out to defend himself, regarding "email hacking." REALLY!? What's he trying to do? Start setting the stage for world war three?
What, exactly, do you think makes Chump, presidential material?
Just remember that Trump is the effect. The cause is the masses of people tired of politics as usual...
Ok. What, exactly, do you think makes Trump presidential material? This question is for anyone who would like to answer.
I'll answer. My top five reasons:
1. He's not Hillary.
2. He's not Hillary.
3. He's not Hillary
4. He's not Hillary
5. He's not Hillary.
I saw on the news this morning that Trump is leading the polls.
"Trump tops Clinton 45% to 43% in the new survey"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/06/_politics-zone-injection/trump-vs-clinton-presidential-polls-election-2016/
Ollie, that was a pivot answer. Still waiting for a logical reason why you feel Trump is presidential material. Please... educate me. I value your opinion.
"I'll answer. My top five reasons:
1. He's not Hillary.
2. He's not Hillary.
3. He's not Hillary
4. He's not Hillary
5. He's not Hillary."
Whether you Hillary-lovers/dems/leftists want to believe it or not, that IS the reason SO MANY people are voting for Trump: he is seen as the lesser of 2 evils, and Hillary is seen as VERY evil. "Who will do the LEAST damage" has become the question to ask for elections, it seems. It's a sad state of affairs.
Now, alot of people ARE voting FOR Trump (instead of voting "against Hillary") as well, but I think there's an awful lot who are simply voting against the corrupt evil that is Hillary.
What did I just read... 5 more dead in the last 6 weeks? LOL the Clinton body count is still climbing...
"Ollie, that was a pivot answer. Still waiting for a logical reason why you feel Trump is presidential material. Please... educate me. I value your opinion."
We're the country that believes in only two choices, so you gotta make one - right? Not too hard to figure out that if candidate "D" rubs you less of the wrong way than candidate "R", then you'll be voting for candidate "R". That's all the logic you need given how the Republicrats have configured the system...
Nice, huh?
maybe not, JR - this is worth reading: http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20160906-donald-trump-is-no-republican.ece
Media always talks about the never Trumper's but the never mention the never Hillary's.
huh? Why is that article pointed at me? I never said Trump was a conservative. "Republican" no longer has any real meaning, so that label is irrelevant.
Justin's "republicrat" is exactly right: which is the lesser evil of the 2 "republicrats"? That is your choice. Of course you can vote for Gary Johnson, or write in anyone you want, but the republicrats have designed the system to make sure that only makes your vote irrelevant. (I'm not saying voting 3rd party is wasting your vote, I'm saying that vote will be irrelevant. And as long as your ok with that, cool... I may very well be ok with that this time around myself.)
Even Nixon released his taxes. That's how much a crook the Duck is.
Speaking of foundations, donations and what can be learned from taxes, finally someone has found Foundation in a pay-for-play quid-pro-quo scheme. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-pam-bondi-candidate-dismisses-questions-around-donation-tied-n643211 Of course the MSM lies. So does the IRS and the big fact check that the Don actually paid.
Trump is quite familiar with pay for play. It's just business.
Ollie:
underage rape charges against Trump, the newest one stems, from when The Don was hanging heavy with billionaire pedophile extraordinaire Jeffery Epstein. She was trying to become a model.
Here's a trifecta of Trump alleged rapes. His wife changed her tune upon divorce settlement. Go figure.
http://fusion.net/story/328522/donald-trump-accused-rape-sexual-assault/
Why does a building developer develop a modeling business anyway?
Still waiting for an answer. What makes Trump "the lesser of the two evils?" What makes Trump presidential material?
Because he's not Hillary. I may not be the biggest Trump fan and wish we had a better candidate but we don't. I'm in the party of anyone but Hillary. It's just my personal opinion and I don't think she'd be good for America. Maybe you're looking for a more detailed answer but mine is as simple as that.
Neither of them are "presidential material", but based on the ignorance of our electorate, those are the choices we have. That's what the saying "we get the government we deserve" means.
I find it interesting Nixon had to quit for FAR less than Hillary as already gotten away with. Again- ignorance of the electorate.
for all you Gary Johnson fans- (Gary Johnson is NOT a Libertarian. Well, ok, he's as much a Libertarian as Trump is a conservative.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW5gQo43ay4
...and Gary Johnson picks a gun grabbing VP running mate who supported assault weapons bans, purchase waiting periods, bans on gun purchases for those under 21 years of age, etc. as Governor of Massachusetts. Oh, but he likes hunting, because THAT'S what the 2nd Amendment is about (*sarcasm*).
How Libertarian of them.
JR - You do realize when you googled "Johnson is an Idiot" that you got a Brit Commedian sketch, right? You might well have googled "What does Seinfeld think of Trump".
I didn't google anything. It's a youtube link. Had you watched it, you would have seen Gary Johnson HIMSELF speaking his positions on the issues. I'm not for or against Johnson, just posting it so people understand his positions in case they were thinking of voting for him by default over Trump or clinton.
JR - It is a not good idea to Goggle anything, bearing in mind that Google stores EVERYTHING and FOREVER. Use alternatives.
I take it then JR you didn't realize who it was. I didn't say it was on Google, but it looked like something you would go searching for, not that it would have been on the radar to begin with. Of course I watched it to comment, that's how you can tell so clearly the whole brit accent and his histrionic commentary are comedy.
Sure it's in his own words, but posting a comedy sketch to help people understand his positions? That's not believable. If you want people to know who he is, try his web site for education. You posted it to trash the guy.
LOL trash the guy. I couldn't care less about Johnson. I don't even know if I'm VOTING yet, I sure as hell don't care about Johnson!
And yes- IN HIS OWN WORDS. Just like all you people try to lambaste Trump and Hillary using THEIR own words, Johnson's OWN WORDS are valid. This wasn't an SNL skit, which is what you are trying to make it out to be. This is someone who compiled Johnson IN HIS OWN WORDS from many various interviews.
And you obviously didn't read the comments- especially by the guy who created the video. It's not comedy. Altho yes- I think he deliberately demonstrated absurdity (Johnson's claims to be a Libertarian) by being absurd (the overtly british accent). But it was not a "comedy sketch".
comments from the video's creator:
"Gary Johnson wouldn't recognize a libertarian value if it violated the non-aggression principle & smacked him in the face."
"187 triggered, butt-hurt libertarians. And none of them able to refute a single point I made in the video."
"I just can't vote for someone who didn't know "C" stands for classified." Yeah, that's got to be dumb not to know that. Especially when the "C" means confidential.....
Which is worse --- being totally wrong about "C" like Ollie or Trump or saying "I don't know what it means if you aren't sure what it means?"
Yeah well Trump is an outsider, he can't be expected to know that. Well, what else won't he know but fake the answer to?
"Neither of them are "presidential material" Might have a point there, both are heavily flawed yet both are qualified to be President based on the Constitution. Both have massive life experience. Only one is qualified to be President if you count being experienced in or near the actual the job. She's probably the most qualified to run for the office in our generation based on Congressional, Presidential, and SoS tours of duty. Of course, that's one of the reasons folks like Trump, he is experienced outside of the job in business.
It's like saying both are qualified enough to run a scam modeling agency deploying teenage illegal aliens under slave labor harem-like conditions but only one is experienced enough to make massive profits and not get caught.
So Hillary knows how to get the job done, Trump knows how to get things done.
Next you might look at who is qualified to serve best in the public interest and here's where Trump fails miserably. There is literally nothing in his entire life that speaks to that and literally nothing to lead you to believe it will change. Even his foundation has participated in pay-for-play self-profiting activities and I am not just talking about Florida. He has shown he believes in nothing but Trump. Even the scant policies and plans he has slowly unveiled very late in the process have morphed dramatically two or three times in his quest for votes. Sometimes 360-degrees in days. It isn't so much the change that bugs me, it's the velocity, the magnitude, and often the ridiculousness of the results. We still can't figure out what he really plans to do with illegal aliens that isn't being done today. His tax plan nets his family $3B in inheritance. His foreign strategy is frankly un-American. Most of his plans entail "it will be great, trust me." His plans are not acceptable to anyone outside of his core base of faithful white voter followers and Hillary haters (which is a fair opinion of course). Somehow his results do not seem to speak to the public interest outside a small demographic which is not representative of America.
Hey, but Hillary had a private email server, her husband has a massive charity foundation that does not give money to Florida's AG to drop a lawsuit, and she coughs. I can understand your trepidations.
"Which is worse --- being totally wrong about "C" like Ollie or Trump or saying "I don't know what it means if you aren't sure what it means?" "
Between the names you mentioned, plus Hillary Clinton, only one of them mishandled documents marked "C" - whether classified or confidential, and I would expect the Secretary of State to know the difference.
"Hey, but Hillary had a private email server"
Try to minimize it all you want... it isn't the mere existence of a private server that's a problem, its how she used it (and then covered up that usage). I'm sure plenty of us need our lawyers and server admins to erase, destroy with hammers, and bit-bleach our emails about yoga classes (AFTER subpoenas were issues for those messages by the US House of Representatives, of course).
SD, I don't believe I'm wrong about that. Just because your posts rant on forever doesn't make you the know it all of everything. Do some fact checking.
It's quite a conundrum Hillary backers have to deal with. She is either the most corrupt and dishonest person to ever run for president, or if that's not the case she's the dumbest and most irresponsible to ever run for that office. if your being intellectually honest based on everything that's come out over the last few weeks it's one or the other.
JWC Well JWC has it all figured out. I'd say he's just another frustrated old undereducated white guy but he said "conundrum" and "intellectually honest" so that can't be right. Must be anomaly correct.
"It's quite a conundrum Hillary backers have to deal with. She is either the most corrupt and dishonest person to ever run for president, or if that's not the case she's the dumbest and most irresponsible to ever run for that office. if your being intellectually honest based on everything that's come out over the last few weeks it's one or the other."
OR... they're morally questionable, selfish people who BELIEVE what she says because they WANT the socialist, rob-from-the-rich-give-to-the-poor BS idealism picture she paints of America... just like with Bernie & Obama... "free college for everyone"??? Give me a break. These people WANT WHAT THEY WANT, and they DON'T CARE HOW their elected representative gets it for them. You've heard of "feel-good legislation"? That's Bernie/Hillary: feel-good candidates.
Altho, in alot of ways, Trump is the same thing: can/will he deliver what he says?
So when someone votes for Trump, it's because he's the lesser of two evils and will do the least damage.
If someone votes for Hillary, it's because the voter in question is morally questionable and selfish.
Why is that, JR?
Did you miss the part where I said Trump could very well be the same thing as Hillary, in that he may not do what he says?
Look, where there's smoke, there's fire. And there's smoke ALL AROUND Hillary Clinton, for MANY YEARS, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. Trump? Sure, he's got smoke- as a private citizen. It's a little different. He may very well be a disaster. Neither candidate is worthy, imo. But if you're going to have that much smoke around you AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, only a fool would vote you back in.
Still waiting for Hillary to come UP to Nixon's ethical standards....
While I don't agree with JR's generalities in name calling and branding, I do agree that "free college" has so many pitfalls as to be unworkable. Hillary's (and others) original proposal for free public community college does seem to be workable to me.
I have to imagine that this is a vote getter that Hillary will compromise mightily on because it is totally unworkable and ruins the competitive nature our colleges get from living in a capitalistic world. We have the best colleges in the world, we need to be very careful not to affect that.
IMO, why is free college at public institutions not workable?
- Would triple our current Pell Grant budget forcing all Americans to pay for college like we pay for public school systems
- College costs have been skyrocketing well beyond inflation rate so what's to put the brakes on rampant industry-wide price hikes once you remove any real price competition
- Does this basically put private colleges out of business
- Does this basically put 2-year colleges out of business
- Basically makes college part of the public school system taking all quality metrics to that level --- we have the best colleges in the world because they must survive in a capitalistic environment, we don't have the best public school systems in the world --- bad model to adopt.
Why is free community college at public institutions workable?
- Basically extends High School to 14th grade making America more educationally competitive in the world: I think after 250 years as a country, adding two years of school as an educational baseline before you start your working life is probably a good idea even for burger flippers. We live much longer, why not study a bit more longer too
- Less than half the budget of the free college proposal or less than doubling the Pell Grant budget of today
- Puts pressure on 4-year schools to compete on price. This is the most compelling part to me as 4-year colleges have to face massive competition for the first two years. Might need law stopping 4-year schools from opening 2-year feeder schools which would make this program moot for price pressure.
Speaking of smoke, what's in that pipe you are smoking JR? Sure is getting foggy around Diamond Hill these days.
Part of the reason for Clinton smoke is that part of the public spends an inordinate amount of time trying to fan flames from some embers. It's an industry unto itself hiring hundreds of people for years. Results. Fire? Heck, they can't even find a smoking gun. You just have your smoke.
If you add up all the wasted taxpayer dollars spend trying to fan the flames over the Clintons, we could pay off a nice chunk of the national debt. Or folks like those in the FBI might spend their time reading the email of suspected terrorists. Amazing that we are probably borrowing money from China in our zeal to try to hang these folks.
The current investigation into Benghazi is at approximately $8M and climbing: http://askedandanswered-democrats.benghazi.house.gov/cost/
There were SEVEN earlier investigations: total cost in the $30M range.
The FBI probe into Hillary's emails is at $20M and counting.... The FBI budget is $8B per year.... The $20M does not include the past, present and future Congressional hearings. Figure at least $8M there but there's another hearing in process so get ready to double-down on that one. Better you put the money on the roulette wheel.
The Starr probe alone into Bill Clinton went over $80M.
So that's around $140M in just three probes ---- big ones but only a small sampling of what's been investigated over the years without much in the way of results. There will always be the dress and your smoke.
"Part of the reason for Clinton smoke is that part of the public spends an inordinate amount of time trying to fan flames from some embers. It's an industry unto itself hiring hundreds of people for years."
oh, you mean exactly like the left did with W. Bush. You're right.
"If you add up all the wasted taxpayer dollars spend trying to fan the flames over the Clintons, we could pay off a nice chunk of the national debt. Or folks like those in the FBI might spend their time reading the email of suspected terrorists. Amazing that we are probably borrowing money from China in our zeal to try to hang these folks.'
Stranger google, it's kinda like all your time spent on HL trying to change people's views which can't be changed? Just think, your company might be a Fortune 100 if you cut your posts to a few words. ;)
MeisterNJ I'm not sure JR. How much did the left cost taxpayers pursuing GW Bush scandals?
Meister: I only do HL when I am drinking and the tome length is highly correlated to consumption :>)
another winner: Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson is in full damage control mode after he embarrassingly asked Morning Joe’s Mike Barnicle, “what is Aleppo?” when asked what he would do about the besieged Syrian city. Johnson now says he thought Aleppo might have been an acronym.....
"Gary Johnson as a Libertarian is about a minimal foreign policy..."
Apparently, since he'd never even heard of Aleppo....LOL
He should have worn an earpiece and had someone tell him what Aleppo was, lol.
But seriously, it's not like the context of the conversation was that they were discussing Syria and he asked what is Aleppo? From what I've read, it was a question with no segueway or any preview at all... just "what would you do about uh-lep-oh?" (it's not like he had the advantage of reading the word, only hearing it phonetically). When asked a question about one thing when you are thinking about another, associations don't always snap into place as they do when you have the proper context.
But he's also merely the ex-governor of New Mexico from a geopolitical standpoint. One wouldn't expect him to have the foreign policy experience of Hillary. Let's also not fool ourselves into thinking that Trump would have answered the question any differently (-;
yeah, I guess the point is, *I* didn't know what Aleppo was, but then *I* am not running for president.
LOL & agree on the "earpiece" (Clinton), and Trump not having any better answer.
The Clinton earpiece is really a funny one. As I said, anyone upstream from the earpiece should be fired based on her rambling answers. But now that the truth has come out we know it was not an earpiece but instead something far more sinister: a ghost orb. Yes, folks, Hillary is haunted undoubtedly by one or more of the folks she has murdered. http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-secret-earpiece/
Meanwhile, Trump's military answers are so much more scary than any ghost orb. First I look at Trumpco the business. What business organization most closely resembles his: other developers, retail, on-line outlets? IMO his organization looks very much like a Mafia.. At the top you have The Don. He is the be all to end all and offending The Don means certain death (metaphorically of course). He closest business inner circle: The Family. Beyond that, what is the top quality demanded in the Trump Organization: skill, no; knowledge, no; experience, God no. The top line quality is loyalty to the family. A loyalty at the death be dishonor level. Not many snitches or whistle blowers in that crowd.
So at the Commander in Chief:
Trump says the generals have been reduced to rubble. He would fire and get different generals upon becoming President. From those new generals, he would demand a plan within 30 days to defeat ISIS. He knows more about ISIS than the current generals, one would think he knows more than the newly minted generals.
OK, now I conspiratorially put together what the new armed forces looks like under Trump. Would Eric run the Navy for example? Who would he pick for The Organization? And for you experience military folks out there ---- can he do this? Because I am afraid, very afraid.
Then he moves on to say Putin is a stronger leader than Obama, the founder of ISIS, and has stronger control over his country. And he has an 82% approval rating. Is that what we are heading for. Because Putin was not elected and he has killed his way to a high approval rating. That's his strong control.
Then he provides a psychic readout of his intelligence briefing giving us the conclusion from his top secret classified meeting. Hmmmm, good thing he didn't use email :>) He tells us the political conclusion based on his reading of body language from an apolitical group trained to not reveal anything from body language.
And then he goes even farther off the reservation stating Mexico trip good proven by Mexican's firing those responsible for holding the meeting; men and women serving together in the armed forces causes rape, and we should take the oil from Syria and Iran post defeating them.
OK, on the last one, forget about how un-American it is to pillage a defeated nation. Think about the logistics of taking all the oil. Look at a map. Oil wells are not confined to a single area; they are located across the breadth of both countries. How do you take the oil after the wells have been destroyed (either by us or by natives not desiring to have us steal their resources). And how many decades does it take to get it (presumably we can't just squeeze them dry like a sponge). How much does it cost to build the infrastructure, run and maintain the operation, and most importantly protect it from what would probably be a righteous jihad from many nations.
Sound like it would be less costly in dollars and lives just to buy the oil.
The upshot is many more conservatives have now bailed on Trump. Good job Commander.
He has picked up one group's endorsement though: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2016-08-24/why-isis-rooting-trump-0
So a president must be all-knowing? Lol good luck with that one. I'm just impressed that he didn't try to bs an answer as most politicians would.
Not that it matters, but I hadn't heard of it either...
antiel - Are you sure about that? Maybe Gary Johnson's smoking way too much weed accounts for his brain freeze. Doubt that either of the other two main candidates would have made the same mistake.
Aleppo??? Even I knew how to hit the Marx on that one. There was Chico, Harpo, Groucho, Gummo, Zeppo and Aleppo.
Aleppo is third from left. Always a little flamboyant, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Trump, the economic genius, didn't know what Brexit was. According to her FBI interview, Hillary apparently knows next to nothing. So, Gary Johnson ain't looking so bad.
"According to her FBI interview, Hillary apparently knows next to nothing."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Did I really hear that insane person Trump say that if hostile forces gave American servicemen the finger they should have the right to open fire on them can you imagine this guy sitting behind a desk where Lincoln Roosevelt Kennedy or Reagan set should scare the hell out of anyone
Criminal Hillary will fall before the election - Wikileaks will take care of that in the next couple of weeks......
Rich07840 Did I just read that Clinton Foundation took in more than 6M from Nigerian billionaire Gilbert Chagoury who developed Eko Atlantic while HRC was Secretary of State, as she stalled efforts to designate Boko Haram in Nigeria as FTO, while Bill received more than $700,000 each in 2 speaking fees there in 2011 and 2012? FTO designation would make Eko Atlantic investors nervous, and you know, that would've hampered Bill's lucrative fees. And don't forget the kidnapping of the 276 schoolgirls in Chibok in 2014 by Boko Haram that proliferated under HRCs refusal to designate the group as an FTO during her dictatorship as secretary of state. Like I would support her ideology as a grandmother to a young girl. You go Hill, comparing Trump as Hitler, you had the state department as your own dictatorial kingdom. http://blog.godreports.com/2016/07/nigeria-did-clintons-state-dept-go-light-on-boko-haram-due-to-donations-to-clinton-foundation/
Denise That's ok Hillary called trump supporters a "basket of deplorables"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OZHp4JLWjNw#
I have never treated national security like it is unimportant. I have not made decisions that cost thousands of American lives for no gain, I have not stood idly by when I could have saved 4 Americans. I don't brag about a decision to kill Bin Laden like it was actually a tough decision (or even a decision at all), I did not destabilize the Middle East, I did not run a corrupt foundation, I never used minorities to get ahead in life, I never liked Alinsky or the Kkk leader Senator Byrd, etc, etc, etc.
Who wants a Hillary deplores me shirt ?
Skippy - Five for me...You could have the makings of a thriving business for the next two months.
Trump's actions with the FL AG raise red flags too.... Bondi briefly considered joining a multi-state suit against the controversial “school,” but the Florida Republican dropped the investigation after the Trump Foundation made a $25,000 contribution towards Bondi’s re-election.
What's a token appointment? Dog whistle anyone.....
So which phobic or racist group are you in to rate the t-shirt guys?
"Nearly half of Trump's supporters described African Americans as more "violent" than whites. The same proportion described African Americans as more "criminal" than whites, while 40 percent described them as more "lazy" than whites."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-race-idUSKCN0ZE2SW
I dunno, let's pull the sheet off that and see what's underneath. David Duke supports Trump. Paul LePage supports Trump. Jared Taylor supports Trump. Richard Spencer is freakin inspired by him. And so on and so on through the entire pantheon of recognized American racists. Not one Sander's supporter in the whole bucket.
Let's face it, while only a very few of you are in this 50% bucket and while the 50% bucket is a gross generalization as stated in context by Hillary, IMO every racist voting will be voting for Trump. Tell me that is not true. I would say the same is true for phobic's but we would have to go group by group since Hillary has got a lot of phobic's in her buckets, just different fears.
"Nearly half of Trump's supporters described African Americans as more "violent" than whites. The same proportion described African Americans as more "criminal" than whites"
Well, there's probably some statistical truth to that.
If "Black Lives Matter", they better start blaming other blacks (since whites overwhelmingly tend to just attack whites)...
http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/
Oops, is that not politically correct to say?
I just posted my views on Presidential Election Question and I think it would have been better served on this post. Being that I have no idea how to get it over here, I hope you will read it. If anyone knows how to copy it over to here, you have my permission. I do hope you will read it. Thanks USAfirst.
USAfirst A token position for Hillary to be appointed SOS: http://nymag.com/news/politics/powergrid/52428/
Stranger Danger - I post my real name. I'm not overly racist, as you seem to believe all Trump supporters are, and I'm not hiding behind a nom de plume. What else does Stranger Danger mean..SD? Short Dick? Stupid Dummy? Male or female? White, Black, Latino, Native American, Asian or Other? You get that I'm female, I'm also white, over 60, still gainfully employed. I could call myself middle class, altho I wish I could say I was upper middle class. I was born in Queens, like Trump, and I am voting for him in this election. I post my opinion and don't create long, wandering posts because I have a job and a life, and no one really wants to read rantings. O, and Hillary the shill has apologized for her basket comment.
You may post under your real name but your blatant nastiness seems to be a shared commonality of Trump supporters.
I speak my mind in relation to the poster I'm responding to, who included me in a post. I'm not a nasty person and I certainly wasn't aiming any ill will at YOU.
And again Trump supporters are basically nasty. Please read all the posts. There's some pretty nasty comments from Hillary supporters to go around.
Bonv you know what they say when you "assume"
Honestly don't know how Trump is nastier than Hillary. Trump was able to withstand 15+ other candidates and won. It is what it is. Hillary props herself up with Obama and Biden, giving a royal wave, letting the image tell her story that it will be the same thing for another 4 years.
"You may post under your real name but your blatant nastiness seems to be a shared commonality of Trump supporters."
What's perceived as nastiness can easily be frustration, wouldn't you agree?
And generalizations about Trump supporters' personality traits is extremely, if not childishly, ignorant. Best not to fall for that trap imo.
Hillary claims to regret saying that half of Trump supporters are deplorable. But her fingers were crossed. She wishes she said 2/3 are....... :)
"What's perceived as nastiness can easily be frustration, wouldn't you agree?" Not at all - going for the gutter or calling for death/violence regardless of rationale (i.e. frustration) is not so subjective and nasty is probably an understatement. Re: supporters - not all may fit the generalization but many do based on actions and words so if the shoe fits...
A violent minority doesn't represent the majority though, so why give credence to such a sweeping and erroneous generalization? (Especially since there's an equivalent violent minority on the other "side")
Also to consider, condoning the divicive rhetoric will surely make things worse. Sometimes you just have to take the high road - sadly the low road is already full beyond capacity.
"I'm not overly racist" - Denise
What does that mean? You are a racist but not a full blown racist?
Either you are or you're not.
I guess Trump could and probably would say the same thing...
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I called myself a racist because I'm white, over 60, middle class and voting for Trump and I am defined as such, because of that. And then that also puts me in all of the categories Hill the shill has declared in her basket of deplorables comment - xenophobe (had to look that one up), homophobe, Islamaphobe, and so on and so on. So, as Hillary supporters say, "'Either you are or you're not'", right?
Denise - Please try not to take too seriously the labels from the liberals. It's what they do, to make them seem more important and smarter than the rest of us. And they never stop, no matter how nice you try to be to them. Hopeless and useless.
I think he means Texas and the southwest... a similar battle cry to the "reparations" "because my great great great grandpa was a slave" battle cry
Danny - Thank you. I am not upset at all by these postings. I can go on and on and on myself, without any problem. But as I've previously posted, I have a job and a life, and that's my reality. I don't have to answer to ad nauseum rants, raves, conspiracy theories, perceived insults, name calling, labeling, whining and judgmental finger pointing, all coming from anonymous posters. Instead, let's remember what happened 15 years ago today, and think of what's happened since. My son is in Afghanistan today, and my reality is for his safety and his dedication to OUR USA.
Just because I do not like Trump does not make me a liberal. Isn't that considered being labeled?
Many generalizations on here...
Denise et al: I think you perhaps misunderstood. Hillary said she was overly generalizing and 50% of Trumpers were in a racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic basket of deplorable's. She immediately said she was sorry, 'grossly generalistic," and regretted saying half. It is what it is and if you forgive Trump certainly you can forgive Hillary on that one.
I said "while only a very few of you are in this 50% bucket and while the 50% bucket is a gross generalization as stated in context by Hillary, IMO every racist voting will be voting for Trump. Tell me that is not true." Cleary that does not include you but I don't think anyone would say HL does not have racists on board. I also firmly believe all voting racists will vote Trump (unless they write-in). That is what I said.
I am sorry if you took offense for I certainly was not talking about you and would much rather move on to your story about Hillary and Nigeria, that is one of the better accusations I have seen. Again, sorry.
And then Mark doubles down with "Well, there's probably some statistical truth to that" support Trump supporters (not Denise of course) survey answers. His conclusion that there's statistical support for Trump survey respondents and that BLM supporters "better start blaming other blacks (since whites overwhelmingly tend to just attack whites)..." Well, far from me to correct Mark correcting Trump supporters....
Mark: the statement being supported was African Americans are more "violent,” more criminal and more lazy than whites as believed by nearly half of Trump supporters (not Denise of course). Your retort was that there is statistical truth to that and “whites overwhelmingly tend to just attack whites." What does that have to do with it? And how does that make African Americans more violent and criminal? You hype your conclusion as not being politically correct as if that's a badge of honor but you are dangerously close to admitting that violence and crime can be determined by the color of your skin. I can't imagine you believe that.
Frankly, while I can understand what Trump supporters are trying to say about the demographics of violence, once the lazy comment comes out, all bets are on as to what they mean.
From your survey Mark: in 57.7% of all violent victimizations, the offender is white. Blacks account for 22.4%. I think that provides one response to the 50% bucket of Trump supporters beliefs about violence and race in America, hopefully not yours. It's only when you break down those numbers against the total number of blacks and whites that you might arrive at a different conclusion regarding race and violence. However, if you broke it down by geography and population for example, you might conclude violence is caused by tall buildings.....
positive - Support for Hillary Clinton defines a liberal, or at least a liberal in denial, who can tolerate all the lies, deception and dangerous practices of this candidate. Lack of support for Trump is irrelevant.
You're right Ollie. It's just that conservatives are full of sheet :>) Hey, if that's your definition of diversity so be it.
Danny, I guess you missed my point. I've been labeled a liberal because I don't like Trump with the assumption that I'm a hillary supporter, which is false. I do not like Hillary either. That is what I meant by many generalizations going on.. not just from one side but from both sides of the fence.
Ollie, if you're referring to my above post, please re-read. I didn't call Denise a racist..she labeled herself as one in sarcasm. Wanted to know what she meant by "not being overly racist"
I know it's tough math SD.
Per DOJ statistics, blacks commit ~22% of violent crime. They represent just ~13% of the population.
Can you do simple arithmetic? Seems like 22 is more than 13. i.e. "more" criminal and violent than their population would suggest.
Come on, you're all about stereotyping all gun owners based on a teeny tiny sample size of criminals (0.1% of the population to be exact). Same logic here, only the sample size is larger because it applies to all violent crime.
Or, are you finally agreeing with what we've been saying all along? That we have a gang and poverty problem, and violence (of any type) is the symptom, not the cause.
One other thing places with tall buildings (that you admit have violence problems) have in common... Democrats.
" It's just that conservatives are full of sheet "
Aaaaannnnddddddd.......
And this is the mouthpiece the liberals on the site like to side with and defend, one who the libs and progressive should respect? Ok then...
Mark, I don’t think I have stereotyped all gun owners as criminals; that would be deplorable. Paranoia creeping in again or did I miss something?
Your admonition of my math skills aside, I think you missed my “It's only when you break down those numbers against the total number of blacks and whites that you might arrive at a different conclusion regarding race and violence.” Thanks for showing your work, mathematically fractured as that might be.
Top line, as I previously said, whites overwhelmingly lead in the total volume of “violent victimizations” doubling the number of violent offenses by blacks. In the end it isn’t just about percentages; it's also about how many people get hurt and a lot more whites are hurting a lot more people even if perpetrated by a lower percentage of their total population. You are right, there are far more whites in America. Even more if you include Hispanics if you are doin that race thing correctly, mathematically speaking that is. Or do we deport the Hispanic whites from the survey since they are mostly illegal alien rapists (Trump survey again….). And as I said, when you break down the totals offenses by race you arrive at a different conclusion. Percentage-wise, as a demographic, blacks are two times as likely to be offenders as whites.
So which defines more violent --- the percentage partaking or the total amount of violence? Apparently to a good percentage of Trumpers, it's primarily percentage. I say the primary indicator is not race at all so my answer would be NO. (and it was a baiting question in the survey that a large number of Trumpers chomped at).
Speaking of simple math that you acknowledge is tough: “Seems like 22 is more than 13.” Uh….do the math. How do those numbers alone determine the calculation you were performing :>(
What happens if each black criminal committed two offenses and the whites only one. Now black and whites are just as violent as a race, it’s just that blacks are repeat offenders that don’t get caught.
But the real pitfall, and the possible covert racism, is to conclude blacks are “"more" criminal and violent because of the color of their skin. When Trump supporters link that “African Americans are more lazy than whites as believed by nearly half of Trump supporters (not Denise of course)” you pretty much showed your hand. That unprovable, throwback racist stereotypical crap belongs in a basket of Trump deplorable’s, hopefully redeemable with a proper remedial application of political correctness.
That’s where I previously said the wheels come off the not-a-racist car, not just the violence and criminality, Trump supporters were saying much more than percentages.
Do you actually believe that a predilection towards violence and crime can be determined by the color of your skin? Like Dr. Ben Carson may turn at any second? I don’t think you do otherwise you wouldn’t have thrown out other causes of violence “That we have a gang and poverty problem, and violence (of any type) is the symptom, not the cause.” Of course this has nothing to do with the surveys we are talking about, and we don't know what Trumpers feel about that. It has everything to do with our conclusions that the problem may be more than skin color.
I think you and I agree that violence is not simple black and white arithmetic. But when a large portion of Trump supporters conclude that blacks are more criminal, violent and LAZY, you know what a large number of them think: it’s simply a case of skin color and one color is inferior.
He talks about perception of African Americans in society and the statistics of crime and remarks that people can't have an open and honest discussion without being labeled a racist by liberals.
OK, that's fair.
This discussion was focusing on my statement: "I said "while only a very few of you are in this 50% bucket and while the 50% bucket is a gross generalization as stated in context by Hillary, IMO every racist voting will be voting for Trump. Tell me that is not true." Cleary that does not include you but I don't think anyone would say HL does not have racists on board. I also firmly believe all voting racists will vote Trump (unless they write-in). That is what I said."
This was based on the polling numbers that showed: "Nearly half of Trump's supporters described African Americans as more "violent" than whites. The same proportion described African Americans as more "criminal" than whites, while 40 percent described them as more "lazy" than whites."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-race-idUSKCN0ZE2SW
To which Mark responded: "Well, there's probably some statistical truth to that." and showed DOJ statistics on who performs violent offenses. And we proceeded from there with Mark concluding that "That we have a gang and poverty problem, and violence (of any type) is the symptom, not the cause" which pretty much takes race out of the equation.
So I think we agreed you can't determine predilection of violence based on race. And that's where I said the polling numbers showing that close to 50% of Trump supporters feel African Americans are lazier seems to show their hand as to where they really stand. But my real point again was that if you are racist and you vote; you will be voting Trump.
While I am sure it happens, not sure where a dishonest conversation or inaccurate racist labeling comes in play in our discussion thus far. Certainly Mark or I have not fallen into that trap.
the video is also relevant in that he discusses that African Americans are 13% of the population and commit 52% of murders - I posted to early
And that has to do with "remarks that people can't have an open and honest discussion without being labeled a racist by liberals?" Nature or nuture? And still does not refute the point that all voting racists will be voting for Trump.
Speaking of Trump, some updates....
Melania released a letter from her lawyer saying it's A-OK, trust me. Apparently the press conference is off since if she showed up, she could only read the letter and after her last speech reading probably not a good idea. "my baby, she wrote me a letter...."
Of course that's just like when The Don released a letter from his lawyer saying Don's being audited and it's still ongoing --- trust me.
Lots of letter-writing okdoky lawyers for these folks.
How about a copy of the immigration papers? Or how about a copy of the standard IRS ---- you're being audited letter? You know --- actual verifiable, undeniable proof versus some paid-for ambulance chaser letter saying "it's all good." I mean we saw his doctor's note and what his doctor said about writing it. Sham that was.
When directly asked the question about why is Trump hiding his tax returns past and present, Turmp's new campaign manager parroted --- "the audit." When asked about the IRS form letter than he had to receive she balked: "I'm sorry" to collect herself. When asked again Trump's slick mouthpiece campaign manager spouted: "what, do you think he's lying." Uh.......... YES, here's a buck, buy a clue.
I mean no one stopped asking for Hillary's emails after the lawyers said "they were personal, trust me." Apparently not good enough.
We demanded got Obama's birth certificate which he had to show because he has a foreign sounding name....
So let's see the tax returns and if being audited, let's see the letter. Meanwhile, how about some past returns. We have DECADES of Hillary's and Bill's. So maybe we should ask for Melania's and Eric's and.......what ----- Barron is filing a 1040 with deductions?
Hey, why we're at it, can't we see Trump's business emails for the past year or so. Maybe the one's where he's doing business with the Russians or telling his Foundation to buy off the Florida AG using a dummy account to funnel the money.
Apparently there's a slow down in the Turnip medical reports which probably won't be released now except in the form of a letter. Let me guess ----- healthiest candidate ever...... I mean he wanted to release them, now he doesn't. Can't wait for the excuse. Wonder if he will catch up to Hillary, medically release speaking.
Trump Foundation under investigation now in a couple of places I think. All Florida newspapers are demanding one from that state. He bribed her, quid pro quo forthcoming.
Trump University Fraud case ongoing. Oh yeah, guilty.
Secret Service Investigating Trump Adviser Al Baldasaro for Clinton death threats
Trump rape case ongoing. Idiot.
FEC investigation Melania speech. Turns out writer worked for Trump Organization not Trump the candidate ---- and that's a campaign finance no-no. Just the beginning for those shenanigans as folks start unfolding how he has been paying for some of these things illegally. There's rules for that Don. That's why you hire pro's.
I think the Food Network star Geoffrey Zakarian Washington Post Office Restaurant lawsuit is still ongoing. Very tacky like the Univision case.
With his legacy of over 3,500 lawsuits with Donald Trump's name attached, even if extracted from his company, one can expect that he will be in court many times over the next four years. After all, we are a Nation of laws, it's in the Constitution.
I'll address the other stuff when I get some screen time however it's a constitutional requirement for the POTUS to be a natural born citizen - when that was in question he had to provide the birth cert - no other reason than that.
slight editing I think - skippy - the short clean version -
I believe this is more like it
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans?mbid=social_facebook
What are you accusing me of being fact resistant about? - do you debate that the constitution requires the president to be a natural born citizen ? - that's factual. Do you debate that obsmas country of birth and thereby his eligibility to hold that office came into question? That's factual. Do you debate that he provided his birth certificate to answer that allegation? That's factual. It had nothing to do with how his name sounded - that's conjecture.
maybe that lacks explanation of Trump's perseverating over the issue the birth issue
Yeah not sure about trump but my personal integrity stands - I didn't state anything that was not factual - social justice warriors always lie / that too is a factual statement - don't get confused with your rhetoric
the human mind is an interesting thing
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ulterior-motives/201308/you-see-what-you-believe
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/kidding-ourselves/201404/we-see-what-we-want-see
Just a couple of examples...
"had no idea he was that big of a guy"
Well all you have to do is look at him to see he is fat.
One report said he rivals William Howard Taft in terms of portliness.
236 pounds is probably a lie as previously Trump's weight was stated as 267 pounds. Either way he is very fat. 236 would put his BMI at 29.5 -- which is very overweight, and 267 would put his BMI at 33.4 -- which is categorized as obese.
I saw a picture of Fat Trump in his private jet eating out of a huge bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken.
He has high cholesterol for which he takes a statin.
So, since he likes to call people names, I guess he won't object if we now call him Fat Trump.
Well Skippy, I think I need to throw in the towel on this one: The birther attack on Obama is not firmly linked to his foreign sounding name. Sure, his name, his place of origin, whether he was Muslim, etc. were all rolling about as conspiracies at the same time, some even started by Hillary supporters. I just linked before I looked....
But on the attack: OK, they start it during the 2008 election season. On June 8th 2008, Obama released his short-form birth certificate fueling more conspiracy doubts. All suspected facts were fact-checked and refuted but that stopped nothing. On 4/27/2001, Obama released the long-form birth certificate.
Today, a total of 41% of all Republicans still believe Obama to be foreign born.
43% of Republicans think he's Muslim and that's 66% for Trump supporters.
And you say it was about the Constitution and facts alone? I humbly reply NFW. No other President has every been subjected to this so you tell me, what's different here that would cause this furor.
For 70 years old he's in a lot better shape that Hillary. CNN reported her campaign is just trying to keep her healthy until the first debate. I wonder what the plan is to accomplish that?
Yeah I get what your saying SD on the individual voter level - and I believe is was Clinton who started it in 2008 just FYI
Oh come on Ollie, we know absolutely NOTHING about his medical history except he's fat and taking statins to curb the high cholesterol. At this point in time, his current health is pretty good. For Hillary we know her entire history of every ailment, downtime, whatever for decades. And I think right now she is in pretty good health, taking some meds, and has a cold. As to who drops dead first, not a clue.
Skippy -- eh, who knows who started it, but certainly Hillary supporters, not Clinton herself, supported it early on. Unless we want to have The Don start taking credit for his supporter's actions......ouch....
Meanwhile: looks like Melania is off the hook for illegal immigration. Good job dear, bring on the first lady nudie pics.
And now we add the in-depth investigations into Trump International, apparently a byzantine web of tawdry countries and unsavory partners with close ties to ugly governments. And we know Trump doesn't shy away from bribing his was to prosperity.
While expected that he would plaster his brand over all kinds of foreign filth, the real question is how the heck can he set his company up as a blind trust for the kids to run? No more Thanksgiving dinners? Does someone have to go off the grid? How do you stop kids from talking to Dad and dropping a few business strategies and situations..... I mean this isn't even charity, this is business for profit.
At least I think we're getting to the point talking more about the issues......sort of. A few weeks out from the election, not bad. And amazingly, the man without a plan is looking more Republican establishment every day ---- got to plagiarize them from somewhere....
Really SD. She has a cold and is taking some meds? I thought she had allergies or she was overheated, or had pneumonia or maybe the flu like Bill said. Her own daughter said she didn't even know she had pneumonia. Sounds like her running mate did either. You just better hope the campaign can keep her healthy. I realize focusing on Trump's health is a good distraction but I haven't seen him having any 4 minute coughing fits or being helped up the stairs or practically carried off into the Scooby van.
Actually the focus should be on his failure to release the detailed records like he said he would - yet another Trump backpedalling.
Actually the focus should be on her. She's the ill one. I don't recall Trump missing from the campaign trail.
Actually (even notice how this word seems to mean "I'm saying that you're wrong" :>), my focus when it comes to transparency is Trump's tax records.
His audit supposedly runs back to 2009, that's his big excuse. While the IRS can not legally disclose anything, it is certain he received an IRS letter announcing the audit. Can we see the letter please? How do we know you are even under an audit. And even if he produces the proof via the letter, how do we know the audit has not completed already?
Another excuse is we won't learn anything. All bets are we will, he lies. As to how much really depends what kind of act Donald is performing. All might just be a stunt.
He says his tax rate is none of our business; I could care less about that. Let's see which countries his income comes from.....
Then he says nobody cares. Who you calling nobody, Don? That's deplorable :>)
You've got more financial information from my election filing submission. Bull. That thing reads like an annual report --- it's a piece of financial art painted to show Trump in his best light.
And his kid's comments are better: Don Jr. says it would distract from his main message. Really, like the one that says I'm rich therefore I'm great?
Eric says it's foolish because they are complicated and lots of no-nothings would make stuff up
And the history:
Said he would release tax returns after President Obama released his long-form birth certificate. That was 2011. We're waiting.......
In 2014 Trump said he would release returns if he ran for the office
Last year he said he would release and then he later said he would release when we find out about Hillary's emails (that's like saying he'll release when terrorism is over.
And this year:
"January: Said he was ready to disclose his “very big … very beautiful” returns.
February: Said he would release returns “probably over the next few months.”•February: “I will absolutely give my return, but I’m being audited now for two or three [years’ worth] now so I can’t.”
February: Responding to claims he has a “bombshell” in his taxes,” Trump said: “We’ll make a determination over the next couple of months. It’s very complicated.”
May: Said he fights “very hard to pay as little tax as possible.”
May: Will “release my tax returns when audit is complete, not after election!”
July: Manafort: “Mr. Trump has said that his taxes are under audit and he will not be releasing them.”
July: “I haven’t had much pressure (to release tax returns). I’ll be honest, most people don’t care.”
September: Trump: “When the audit is complete I will release my returns. I have no problem with it. It doesn’t matter.”
So release the letter from the IRS confirming that an audit is taking place for the last 2 or 3 years like you said or from 2009 like you said........ There is nothing proprietary in that letter and feel free to redact if there is.
SD, while you continue to get your underwear in a bunch over this the polls are narrowing. There's no excitement in the Hillary campaign. Her first big rally since being overheated, allergies, pneumonia, flu, cold, or whatever it was had a whopping 300 people. Maybe time to put your focus elsewhere.
Thanks for the list of Trump promises, SD. This is the kind of thing that would continue under a President Trump. It is who he is.
Transparency. You must buy alot of bridges, SD.
Trump should release his tax records. And Hillary should release her MEDICAL records- the REAL ones- and ALL of them. Because, you know, "transparency" LOL The American people don't want to elect a president with neurological/mental issues... or so say the anti-Trumpers.... what's good for the goose....
"Today, a total of 41% of all Republicans still believe Obama to be foreign born.
43% of Republicans think he's Muslim and that's 66% for Trump supporters."
"No other President has every been subjected to this so you tell me, what's different here that would cause this furor."
Maybe he wasn't born here and he's a muslim? LOL
Easy now, boy... I said MAYBE lol
His pre-election view of the constitution was all I needed to hear. I wouldn't have cared if he was a white, rich, naturally-born citizen with bad hair, I wouldn't have voted for him. LOL
Strangerdanger can you ever post anything that doesn't take 15 minutes to read... LOL...
So true jd2 - it will be fake promises, grandiose lies, scapegoating excuses and lots of Trump branding and since he suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder daily photo ops.
well jr, Hillary has already released more medical records than Trump so don't expect more until he catches up. What is missing, what are the REAL ones?
For Trump we know his current tests and that he has high cholesterol and a high body mass index.
For Hillary we have been watching for decades, you have seen every faint, wheeze, and cough. Currently on Armor Thyroid, Coumadin, Levaquin (only for a time), Clarinex and B-12 when needed. Blood pressure: 100/70; heart rate 70; respiratory rate 18; temperature 97.8, pulse-oximetry of 99 percent. All vaccinations up to date, normal mammogram, normal breast ultrasound. Lab test for vitamin D/CBC/fasting blood glucose/comprehensive metabolic panel/hemoglobin A1-C/vitamin B-12 all normal. Cholesterol 189, LDL 103, HDL 56 and triglycerides 159.
For Trump, unlike Hillary, we know little of his medical record over the years, but currently on a statin and aspirin. His current stats are: Blood pressure 116/70, Cholesterol 169, LDL 94, HDL 63 and triglycerides 61. PSA .15, blood sugar 99, C Reactive Protein UQ .7, calcium 98. Liver function, thyroid function, colonoscopy, EKG, Chest X-ray, cardiac evaluation -- all normal.
Testosterone 441.6........ What's this guy need aspirin for?
So WTF is Trump and you talking about? Trump "should release his MEDICAL records- the REAL ones- and ALL of them." At least release enough to be at parity with Hillary.
"Forget Trump’s health records. His hidden business interests are what really matter."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/09/15/forget-trumps-health-records-his-hidden-business-interests-are-what-really-matter/?utm_term=.967803c7c2b3
to fix simply learn to read faster Metsman.
well jr, but you are thinking of voting for:
"Or will Trump instead choose to be the most conflicted president in American history, one whose business interests will constantly jeopardize the security of the United States?"
"A close examination by Newsweek of the Trump Organization, including confidential interviews with business executives and some of its international partners, reveals an enterprise with deep ties to global financiers, foreign politicians and even criminals, although there is no evidence the Trump Organization has engaged in any illegal activities. It also reveals a web of contractual entanglements that could not be just canceled. If Trump moves into the White House and his family continues to receive any benefit from the company, during or even after his presidency, almost every foreign policy decision he makes will raise serious conflicts of interest and ethical quagmires."
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-national-security-498081.html
I will sever all ties just by letting the kids run it whenever they are not heading up the US state, defense or commerce departments. We aren't that close anymore...... I will close down any facilities I have in strategically unsound countries. We call that extreme vetting. I will desound unsound countries wherever I have facilities in them (wait, did I say that out loud :>)
Bonv - you do know you just described EVERY career politician, right? Hillary included? Nothing new here. Except that Trump isn't ALREADY a career politician like Hillary and the rest of them. In this election, that's a negative.
@JR - not every politician although there are many but as with everything in life there are extremes and Trump is as extreme as you can get on lying, narcissism and scapegoating. For scapegoating there are reasons that the KKK, David Duke and neo-Nazi party all see him as their beacon for the future.
"not every politician although there are many but as with everything in life there are extremes and Trump is as extreme as you can get on lying, narcissism and scapegoating."
Um... lying? Hillary. Scapegoating? Hillary.
I'll give you narcissism, because not even HILLARY could possibly like Hillary lol
this is acceptable and appealing??? Trump just said in a speech in Miami , Lets take away Hillary's bodyguards guns and see how long she last.
Hillary not good; Trump spectacularly bad. Or as Colin Powell said in a now-hacked private e-mail, Hillary screws everything up; Trump is a national disgrace and international pariah.
What a choice we have.
Goooo Trump! You have my vote! We need a businessman, "Not a Puppet" career politician! To run our Country!
How many jobs has Hillary created?
Realist1 http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/20/politics/barack-obama-un-diplomacy/index.html
Obama is out of touch with reality. Lets just keep letting drugs enter our country and violent criminals who sell those drugs to our kids and people who skip the legal process of entering this country that so many others do properly and members of ISIS, etc... Worst President in US History!
Lena Here's a new Doonesbury. Who could the pilot be?
http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2016/09/18
"So now Bono from U2 attacks Trump. First off Bonehead, you're not an American Citizen, and second, your music Sucks.".
Coffee's on. What has Trump stepped in today? Let's see......
-- Ah, used family charity to pay off lawsuits.... Ah, just $260,000.00
-- BBC news: "Donald Trump has faced criticism after declaring that African Americans are in the worst shape "ever, ever, ever", in a town named after a slaveholder."
-- After five years of birtherism, Trump announced he was finished and Obama is American. No apology for five years of lies.
-- CNN on Trump's notion of disarmament: Trump said ""I think her bodyguards should drop all weapons. Disarm immediately," Trump said. "Take their guns away, let's see what happens to her." "Take their guns away, OK? It'll be very dangerous," he added."
---Trump prepares for debates. On O'reilly: ""TRUMP: And by the way, Lester is a Democrat.
"O'REILLY: I didn't know that.
"TRUMP: Look, it's a phony system. Lester is a Democrat. I mean, they are all Democrats. Okay? It's a very unfair system."
Lester Holt has been a Republican since 2003. Donald Trump has changed parties over 5 times. Not sure if he is a Republican today.....
CNN: "Stephen Hawking, 375 scientists slam Trump for backing 'Parexit'"
I don't fear Trump becoming President. I fear the unknown. What's next. Perhaps because of THIS: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-hitlerian-disregard-for-the-truth/2016/09/19/1603877e-7e8e-11e6-8d13-d7c704ef9fd9_story.html?utm_term=.0a0dc034e542
SD - I think you forgot the other news because the Hawking thing is kind of old. But the first Pres Bush telling everyone he's voting for Hillary is recent. Recent and very weird.
Good link, SD. Trump appears to believe that truth is whatever he says it is. And the analogy by the link's author is something that's been occurring to me also, but I hate to bring it up.
Sure, Hillary lies as does anyone, especially politicians. She lies to protect herself and to further her cause(s). When caught, she apologizes and corrects.
Trump lies as a way of life. It's his business. Do you really believe Trump Water was the BEST. Or Trump Steaks. Trump Ties. Certainly not based on sales. He never apologizes. That would be weak and he's tough. Often when caught, he replaces a lie with a lie. His "plans" are an ever changing series of bullet points and branding slogans. Ever changing. We're not talking a tweak here and there, we're talking hundreds of changes to about 20 different issues. No Trumper has a clue what he really stands for at any given time. Like Trump, they just make it up. They have to, no one knows what he stands for today or what his current plans are or is it even true.
For Trump plan, position and policy changes, there isn't even a single story ---- it's a fleet of stories: https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=how+often+has+trump+changed+his+plans&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GUEA_enUS693US694&q=how+often+has+trump+changed+his+plans&gs_l=hp....0.0.0.20680...........0.Fl23eFxtmgg
As to who is lying:
True: Hillary 22% Trump 4%
Mostly True: Hillary 28% Trump 11%
Half True: Hillary 22% Trump 14%
Mostly False: Hillary 15% Trump 17%
False: Hillary: 11% Trump 34%
Pants on Fire: Hillary 2% Trump 18%
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
Apparently Trump supporters don't want to know the truth.
Pretty easy actually. His supporters don't care about any of the things on the list and that's been fairly obvious from early on especially with all of the deflection and rationalization used. After all Trump hit on the nail when he boasted that he could shoot someone and still not lose voters. For those that see Trump as the danger that he is the sheer hypocrisy is not at all surprising either.
"When that day comes, you will cry for relief from the king you have chosen, and the Lord will not answer you in that day." But the people refused to listen to Samuel, "No!" they said. We want a king over us. Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles."
Samuel 18-20.
Wow, you people are really in a panic. Sounds like I'm not only and idiot for voting for Trump but also doomed to hell.
"When that day comes, you will cry for relief from the king you have chosen, and the Lord will not answer you in that day." But the people refused to listen to Samuel, "No!" they said. We want a king over us. Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles."
Samuel 18-20.
Well, that certainly applies to THIS president.
IMO you're mistaken, JR. But in any case the subject of this thread is Trump, not this president.
Sadly jd2 that applies to the status quo as much as it would a Trump Presidency. Actually more applicable IMO to the "debt-is-the-golden-calf" status quo.
Regardless of all the emotion that us peons spend pondering the outcome from a Presidential election, the President is nothing more than a figure-head and is directed by the underlying information-supplying support systems that drive governance. Remember, the existing bureaucracy will NOT be replaced even if the top level advisers are, meaning that the information directed from said bureaucracy to the office of President will stay the same . If you really think Trump would do - or even could do, if he actually wanted to - the things he says he would then I have a bridge-to-nowhere to sell you! (Oh wait, that's already sold lol).
Point to anything Obama has championed and ask yourself if other Republicrats wouldn't have done the same if the outcome would have served a purpose. The ACA is probably his "crowning achievement", wouldn't you agree? But the ACA would have happened regardless of the Republicrat in the top figure head spot, it just would have had a different name (remember, Romney had a bit of experience implementing a system closely resembling the ACA as it was his home state that got the ball rolling in the first place). And what about the main reason for voting out Bush in the first place - military interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Did all of the D's forget all their anger, all the energy expended in the 2008 elections, was about the excessive militarism of the war-mongering R's? And are they forgetting now (or just conveniently ignoring) that Obama has been far WORSE with military interventions? Afghanistan still running strong. Active military still in Iraq. Guantanamo still exists. And, on top of that, the current administration has vastly - dramatically, in fact - increased the use of drone warfare in it's quest to dominate from a distance.
So take a breath. In the great Republicrat game it matters not which figure head sits in the Oval Office. But it surely makes for some good reality programming, both sides of the same Republicrat coin tweaking their followers into a frenzy. Enjoy the show, but don't believe everything you hear ;-)
For a man who his entire adult life was so revered by the media, Hollywood, politicians, and the masses, to become so hated in such a short time only because he has the Republican Presidential candidate next to his name is very disheartening. Where have these haters been all these years? Is it because he was never a threat until now, and the thought of him upsetting their apple cart is to much for them to bear.
He was revered? More like a joke. Doonesbury has been making fun of him for 30 or so years. When he announced he was running, the New York Daily News headline was "Clown Runs for President."
He was funny because he was so incredibly full of himself. He still is, but it's not as funny now.
"IMO you're mistaken, JR. "
Well isn't that what this is all about? OPINIONS? Isn't that what ELECTIONS are about? OPINIONS? lol
Because none of this being posted are 100% absolutely true facts (despite all of SD's arguments)- they are tailored, spun, colored, and shaded to look a certain way. It's called media and politics. All that's left on election day is our OPINION. (and "IMO", the majority of the American people were "mistaken" the last 2 times around lol)
" In the great Republicrat game it matters not which figure head sits in the Oval Office."
I agree with this, with one exception: SCOTUS. A single justice could tip the court one direction for an entire generation, and that's a big deal. While the president can't hand-pick and appoint a justice (it has to go through the Senate for confirmation), the president is the only one who can nominate... so the president DOES make a difference, because the SCOTUS seat left by Scalia will not remain empty for a president's entire term.
There are alot of people voting Trump for that one reason alone. Arch-conservative Mark Levin is one of them, and he was actually a never-Trumper, but has relented, for that one reason.
Jd- exactly my point. You are going to make an educated opinion and vote for the President of the United States on the knowledge of a cartoon artist? Oh boy.
No auntiel, I only brought up 30 years of Doonesbury as part of a reaction to your statement that Trump is "a man who his entire adult life was so revered by the media, Hollywood...."
He wasn't.
As to whether it matters who sits in the Oval Office, I think it matters a lot, usually. For example, would a President Gore have launched the catastrophic invasion of Iraq? Probably not.
jd2, the better question is would a President (Hillary) Clinton have launched the catastrophic invasion of Iraq? I think the answer is pretty clear.
Trump has never been revered by the media, celebrities or business people. He has been famous and perhaps popular with the media for the same reasons the Kardashians are - drama and branding (although they remain more popular). He was always known for the same things ... cheating, divorces, beauty pageants, bankruptcies, failed businesses, excesses and branding. That's not picking on him it's just what was always in the press although his pushing the birther claims for so many years gave him visibility and popularity with a different type of audience and perhaps they revered him for his claims.
An even better question jd2 would be which Republicrat this year is more pro-war than the other?
"An even better question jd2 would be which Republicrat this year is more pro-war than the other?"
It's a concern about Hillary, and in the case of Trump it's a concern in that, like George W, he knows so little about foreign policy that he can be easily led astray. But in any case, we can see there's plenty involved besides nominating supreme court justices.
Bonv, very good post. You said it better than I did.
Ah, the man of the people. Not my people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHGPbl-werw&feature=youtu.be
More bad news for Hillary:
Cruz poised to endorse Trump
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/cruz-poised-endorse-trump/
Sounds more like bad news for Cruz... he can stick a fork in any future political aspirations if he does that.
"I'm not in the habit of endorsing people who attack my wife"... unless, apparently, someone tells me that it's in my political best interests.
This will definitely come back to bite him in the future. Can't stand the man, but did at least respect him for that particular stance...
Whether it comes back to bite Cruz or not isn't the point, really. But it WILL turn some "never-Trumpers" into Trump voters, just as Mark Levin did when he came out and said he was voting for Trump despite being a never-trumper himself. And for the same reasons Cruz is considering it:
From the article:
"Cruz has become seriously concerned about the long-term threats to the Constitution and conservative priorities should Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton win the White House."
PLUS... it may just HELP Cruz in the end... turning alot of Trump voters ONTO him in the next go-round. Only time will tell. But it's safe to say in THIS go-round, Cruz' endorsement will only help Trump, and hurt Hillary.
You can call my father an assassin, you can picture my wife as ugly, but as long as you don't #$#$# my dog, I'll endorse you.
Hmmmm, why is my dog smiling?
Is Melania still a communist or did she register Republican?
"he can stick a fork in any future political aspirations if he does that."
That fork has been in place for some time IMO, so it really doesn't matter what he does now. Unless his supporters quickly forget the idiocy he's promoted in the past he already has no future.
But as I'm typing this I realize I am probably wrong - the public does have a history of selective memory loss, that is *if* those memories go against their team. D's against war? Nah, that's the in thing with Hillary so that's long since forgotten. R's against non-interventionism (aka misidentified isolationism)? Nah, that's the in thing with Trump so that will likely be forgotten as well.
Have to agree again with Andy: Politics is poopadoodle.
Actually, it simply exposes the hypocritical nature of these opportunistic posers. Christie, Rubio, et.al. Not only did Trump insult Cruz's wife, he attempted to link his father with JFK's assassination. But hey, no worries, all is forgiven. Only one of the former candidates to stand his ground (so far) is Kasich. Reminds me of the title of a great book... "A Confederacy of Dunces".
And now some original deep thoughts from Melania.
You know, four years of this might be good for cheering me up. I will have more disposable income, I can feel free to totally let any attempts at pc implode, and I certainly will be laughing much more. Good be good for my health.
JR, I'll give you Levin... he actually has a fairly sizeable audience of low-intelligence types that may have actually been waiting for him to tell them who to vote for.
But who in the world is waiting for "Lyin' Ted" to make a decision? I doubt it makes a whit of difference either way who the constipated toad endorses. He hasn't been relevant in months if he ever was in the first place.
I'm always amazed at you Trump haters. Why are people who listen to Levin low-intelligence? Maybe the people who listen to Al Gore radio have no intelligence. Oh wait, his show went down the crapper along with every other liberal radio show.
I didn't say everyone who listens to Levin is low intelligence. I said the listeners who need him to tell them who to vote for obviously have low intelligence. And people who lack the reading comprehension to differentiate between what I said and what you said are probably in that category as well.
Who do you perceive as "Trump haters", Ollie?
Speaking for myself, I like to point out reasons why he should not be president, but I don't feel hatred toward him.
Ian,
I don't think anyone is waiting for Ted to make a decision. But I DO think Ted's decision to endorse Trump- just like Levin's decision to endorse Trump- will make alot of never Trumpers re-think their positions. Levin and Cruz are easily the most constitutional conservative people on the scene right now, and those are the people who largely make up the "never trumpers" (note I'm not speaking of strangergoogle's liberal democrats, who wouldn't vote for trump regardless; I'm speaking of people who would rather of had Cruz or Paul, or.... win the primary instead of Trump.
I personally know never-Trumpers who have reconsidered their voting stance after Levin gave his reasons, and I'm sure the same will happen with Cruz.
Yes Ollie, liberals ceded you radio because we know how much you yearn for the good old days. Maybe Trump will bring back the fireside chat. Simulcast with the fireside tweet.
That's just it, JR. I don't think there was EVER a chance of #NeverTrump being anything but a petulant foot-stomping reaction from the extreme conservative crowd who wanted Cruz to be the nominee.
There's no way that any of the people in the social conservative movement would ever vote (or ever not vote altogether) for anyone but the person with the best chance of beating Hillary... not with the upcoming SCOTUS ramifications and its impact on the next 25-30 years of social policy.
There are NeverTrumpers in your circle who needed Levin to explain to them that Hillary winning would be a bad thing for social conservatives? Really? They couldn't assess the situation and come to that conclusion on their own?
From Breitbart, May 14, 2006...here's JR's font of wisdom on Trump:
Trump is a “radical protectionist” whose trade policy would result in “economic misery” for nearly “everyone,” Levin warns conservatives: Direct quote from Levin)
"The billionaire is a radical protectionist who has repeatedly declared his intention to impose massive tariffs aimed at the economies of other countries, such as Japan and Mexico, and a forty-five percent tariff on products from China. Such broad tariffs would most certainly result in retaliation by the targeted countries. This is a sure job-killer that would also drive up costs of everyday products to low- and middle-class Americans. The net result: economic misery, not just for those hard-working, tax-paying Americans who work in industries that rely on international commerce and trade, but mostly everyone.”
Seems like the Republican party leadership leads in one thing- the ability to eat a turd sandwich and call it delicious.
Ian,
I know never Trumpers who have been convinced to vote from Trump rather than NOT VOTING. Which has it's own merits, especially if you're trying to stand on a religious/moral high ground.
This is where those people are coming from:
http://stepstopoliticalepiphany.com
Yankee, I don't know why you mention me in your last post, I have nothing to do with what Levin has said.
And now, "the rest of the story"....
Levin:
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/09/levin-im-voting-for-trump
JR, apologies. The mention was based on your several references to Levin in previous
posts. My bad to assume that since you continue to reference him he must be important to you.
I wonder how many people at this point in the election are undecided? LOL - it seems like it's the same group of us posting with the "he said/did - she said/did".
Either way I sincerely think we have troubled years ahead of us (I think worse under Trump but others think the opposite.). Ultimately we only have ourselves to blame since we've let the personalities, lies, deflection and name calling divert us from having a conversation about the issues and asking the candidates really hard questions about their proposed solutions - that applies to both candidates. Election day can't get here fast enough.
Agreed Bonv, agreed. Once the negativity starts its very hard to stop. Best to not start in the first place.
So true JIT. It is counter-productive behavior which will sadly only get worse over the next 46 days and I hope to participate less. Maybe only when a real "whopper" gets out of hand :-)
I don't think we have ourselves to blame as much as that the system that has evolved to what it is today is not conducive to good governance. Very very hard to make changes to it.
Ah, the Lady of the people, not my people.
http://www.wnd.com/2016/05/hillary-horror-get-those-f-ing-retards-out-of-here/
Brooklyn Bridge?, been sold a million times already. Those in know can tell you what a nasty bioch she can be. Plenty of first hand knowledge available of how she treated staff, Secret Service and other minions that worked in the White House.
"Plenty of first hand knowledge available of how she treated staff, Secret Service and other minions that worked in the White House.
+1
We've known this since the Clintons left the White House. It's not some "big secret" or "vast right wing conspiracy." LOL It's been reported by many people who it actually happened to, and who witnessed it, during the Clinton years. It didn't "make any difference" (nice reference, huh?) at the time because they were OUT of the White House by then.
Yes, and the book claims Bill boasted sleeping with 2,000 women BEFORE he left Arkansas. And yet she claims to have continue their affair until the 1990's. Slow learner eh? Yes, the woman who describes 1970's Hillary as ‘a dowdy-looking woman who appeared to be middle-aged’ with unibrow and sweat stink has been sleeping on this information since the early 1970's just waiting for the right time to tell all. Over 45 years after the fact seems appropriate.
She maintains Bill told her he was a sex addict and she admitted being his co-enabler. Ah, that's why she stayed and that's why she hates Hillary for being a better enabler....
After Bill told her he was moving in with Hillary because it was a roof over his head, she said sure, OK, fine, whatever, I still love you, let's go out......
After Bill got married she said sure, OK, fine, whatever, I still love you, let's go out......
After Bill got outed for Gennifer, Monika, Juanita, Kathleen Willey, Paula, Sandra, Eileen, Christy, Carolyn, Helen, Becky, Regina, Elizabeth, Connie, Sally Miller, and Lencola, she said sure, OK, fine, whatever, I still love you, let's go out......
You gotta admit, this girl's a trooper.
Basically it's a she-said, she-said tell all trash for cash account that will be difficult to fact check and even more difficult to second source since most of the allegations are private not public.
Trump's brilliant quotes on the other hand are public. And they are brilliantly flawed. Like the Mafioso, it will be hard to get private he-said, he-said on this man since privately he is mostly "a family man" surrounded by family and those with very close financial ties.
So we hear a lot of scuttlebutt about how rude, crude and mean Hillary is. Mostly he said, she said allegations, disgruntled employees, trash for cash books, and other things than aren’t public and can’t be second sourced. Does not help that Hillary is not a chummy, glad hander, charismatic like her husband, Bill. And that laugh…..
But with Trump we can go public, use his own words, and listen to him describe himself, family, others, and world issues. And if you like this man, God save you because the Devil will be asking his due.
Trump on Trump, some Trumpisms:
- "You think I'm going to change? I'm not changing."
- “I play into people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts.”
- “Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser — having a healthy ego, or high opinion of yourself, is a real positive in life!”
- “I’m speaking with myself, No. 1, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things. … My primary consultant is myself.”
- "I think the only difference between me and other candidates is that I'm more honest and my women are more beautiful."
- "If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller."
- “Oftentimes when I was sleeping with one of the top women in the world I would say to myself, thinking about me as a boy from Queens, ‘Can you believe what I am getting?’”
- “Can you imagine how controversial I'd be? You think about [Bill Clinton] with the women. How about me with the women? Can you imagine?”
- "Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest - and you all know it! Please don't feel so stupid or insecure. It's not your fault."
- "My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body."
Trump, the fambly man:
- “I mean, I won’t do anything to take care of them. I’ll supply funds and she’ll take care of the kids. It’s not like I’m gonna be walking the kids down Central Park”
- “My wife, Ivana, is a brilliant manager. I will pay her one dollar a year and all the dresses she can buy! (
- "If Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her." (creepy Daddy pictures go along with this one)
- On changing diapers: “No, I don’t do that,” Trump said on the Opie and Anthony show in 2005. “There’s a lot of women out there that demand that the husband act like the wife and you know there’s a lot of husbands that listen to that… I’m really like a great father but certain things you do and certain things you don’t. It’s just not for me.”
Strong Trump rally speech in Roanoke, Virginia today. All the issues that should give Hillary heartburn or maybe a heart attack. SD, you are backing a loser.
I don't think he's desperate. I think he hates the fact he (as a liberal democrat) has only one choice and that is Hillary. He knows who and what she is for the past 30 yrs. Deep down he knows she is not what's good for "his" America. The only thing he can do is viciously attack Trump and his supporters. He is an obedient Democrat and Hillary is the nomination. He has to pull the lever for her merely out of party loyalty as a good soldier would. But I think if there were someone else on that ticket (like Obama) he would be much more comfortable.
JR -- desperation?? ha-ha!
Everything sd posted that Fat Trump said is the Absolute Truth.
Trump DID say all those things, unbelievable, isn't it ?????
God help America if he is elected.
But no worries, it won't happen.
"God help America if She is elected."
Fixed it for ya'.
Quite frankly, America is going to need all of God's help he can spare, regardless of who gets elected. Shame that many Americans don't want it.
I think alot of voters this time around are turning the phrase "the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know" on it's ear. They would rather have the devil they don't know, based on what he has said he'll do. Which, frankly, is all we ever have to go on anyway. The bottom line is, no one KNOWS what kind of president Trump will be, but we do know what kind of president Hillary will be, and an awful lot... looking like a majority at this point... would rather choose the unknown. That's how BAD she is; they would rather chance the unknown devil than the known one.
...reminds me of an election about 8 years ago....hmm....
College professor has correctly predicted all of the presidential election winners since 1984, and he has picked his winner for 2016...
...I'll give one guess LOL...
http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2016/09/23/college-professor-chosen-winner-president-since-1984/?utm_source=rsmorningbriefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl
"They would rather have the devil they don't know, based on what he has said he'll do." That's rich given the lack of plans, the hundred's of changes to what he has already said, and the expense of the things he wants to do. Besides build a wall and destroy Obamacare, I doubt any one of you can accurately describe his current immigration plans and healthcare plans without looking it up. And even then, better triple check you got the latest tweet :>) I mean summary. Or how about education, welfare, or the environment --- like what plans?
"The bottom line is, no one KNOWS what kind of president Trump will be." Actually his most recent plan iteration is pretty much plagiarized from the Republican play book. Like his tax plan --- totally same ole, same ole Republican stance --- trickle down. Of course, I wouldn't bet it doesn't change next week, again.
So what has he said:
The real plan described in gory detail…..
- "I have a very substantial chance of winning. Make America great again. We’re going to make America great again. I have a substantial chance of winning." Actual answer to question on Commander in Chief session.
- “I’ve built a great company, I’ve been all over the world. I’ve dealt with foreign countries. I’ve done tremendously well.” That’s the plan. For Donald to continue to yabba dabba doo tremendously well.
- “The beauty of me is that I’m very rich.”
- “I will be the greatest jobs President that God ever created.”
On equality….
- "The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day."
- “Happy #CincoDeMayo! The best taco bowls are made in Trump Tower Grill. I love Hispanics!”
- "Laziness is a trait in blacks."
- "I have a great relationship with the Blacks. I've always had a great relationship with the Blacks."
"A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market."
- "I am the least racist person there is."
-“And did you know my name is in more black songs than any other name in hip-hop? Black entertainers love Donald Trump.”
Hello minorities, after all, “what have you got to lose?”
And some deep thoughts on complex issues......
On Management:
- "We’re losing our jobs like we’re a bunch of babies." Well, babies are unemployed......
- "I mean, I'd look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I'd say 'Rosie, you're fired.'
- "I have pretty good with the body language. I could tell they were not happy." He said this about intelligence experts trained to deflect body language readers......
- "You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write, as long as you’ve got a beautiful piece of ass.”
- “I hire people, it costs me three dollars.”
On Commander in Chief:
- “Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow — if so, will he become my new best friend?”
- “He does have an 82 percent approval rating.” My kind of guy for bromance.
- “It would take an hour and a half to learn everything there is to learn about missiles. … I think I know most of it anyway.” I think I do, I think I do.....
- “I think I have a common sense on a lot of the things we’re talking about.”
"They (our military generals) have been reduced to a point where it’s embarrassing for our country." Later he said he would replace em all.
- "Just we would leave a certain group behind and you would take various sections where they have the oil.”
- “Take the oil.”
- "You know, it used to be to the victor belong the spoils.
- “ I have a plan.”......................"But when I do come up with a plan that I like and that perhaps agrees with mine, or maybe doesn’t — I may love what the generals come back with."
On the environment:
- "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."
- “It’s freezing and snowing in New York – we need global warming.”
The same college professor picking Trump to win also says this about him (right from JR's link):
"We've never before seen a candidate who's spent his life enriching himself at the expense of others. He's the first candidate in our history to be a serial fabricator, making up things as he goes along."
If we don't KNOW what kind of president Trump would be (caps courtesy of JR), I think looking at this quote there are at least some hints, wouldn't we all agree? :)
All that taken into consideration, my points still stand. It's looking increasingly like people are picking the devil Trump over the devil Hillary.
And that college professor hasn't been wrong yet, what HE thinks of Trump is irrelevant to the outcome.
Monday (and what develops in the week or two after) is certainly going to be interesting.
You people keep trying to argue Hillary is "better". That's not my argument (that Trump is "better", altho that is my opinion). My POINT is that Trump, despite all the crap, it is still quite possible Trump wins this thing. I feel like I don't have a dog in this hunt, honestly. I still see this as picking the lesser of 2 evils. My argument has been America may very well decide that Trump is the lesser of the evils. You can post all the quotes and spin you want- it hasn't mattered AT ALL. Since the very beginning of the primaries, Trump has been untouchable. And that has continued.
Of course, if Hillary loses, it'll all be Bush's fault. :)
Anyone else boycotting the "debate"? I can't stand anyone trying to manipulate me, and that's all this circus show will be doing.
What a sad state of affairs team politics has become in this country, and I don't want to reward these idiots for removing the intellectual subjects and leaving just the emotional ones.
Boycott?! heck no! I can't wait. I just hope people vote based on who they feel is most qualified for the job. Not who they feel sorry for, after having watch all the debates, leading up to the election.
Unfortunately, the "Paris Hilton", glitzy reality show life, mentally, has made up the minds for most people, already. I hope those folks still watch the debates.
I'm definitely watching. I certainly won't feel "manipulated", as neither is my choice. I'm just tuning in to see if Hillary passes out or mumbles incoherently, and to see if Trump says anything that could cost him the election (altho if he hasn't YET, he likely won't... or, more accurately, "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters." LOL)
But will there be anything "real" about the debate? Serious question.
All I see are two fake people being fake and trying to persuade an audience who are more concerned with being entertained than recognizing that the "show" concerns determining the most powerful position in our government.
IOW, the entire process is now about emotions rather than anything else. We are collectively screwed - Thanks Howard Stern!
JIT,
I get where you're coming from. The funny thing is, I think it's 100% "real", by that I mean they are 2 actors, saying whatever they think they need to say to get elected- it's the same ol shit... but that IS real. NO politician (or non-politician, if you count Trump as a non-politician at this point) tells the actual whole truth, nor do they care what it is. No one running for public office can be 100% trusted. I have been taught that lesson many many times. "Do what they say they are going to do" is a dream. Sure, they might do a COUPLE things that they said they would do (Obama did get Obamacare passed), but in reality, it's all just a big chess game for our "benefit" lol.
That being said, what they SAY is all we have to go on, as voters. So now that these 2 are going head-to-head, I'm not so much watching THEM, as I'm watching their "performances" so see what the voters DO with them. Sort of gauging the country by who they vote for, based on the idiocy they vote for.
(altho I have admitted I think there is a lesser of 2 evils here, and I have also admitted that if Trump does only 1-2 things he promises to do, his election would be worth it. But I'm not holding my breath or anything.)
But, for example, if Hillary comes off as a spaced-out/confused candidate... as in something is obviously wrong with her... and voters believe the poppycock that's it's pneumonia, that'll tell me how willfully ignorant the electorate is. (and I'm sure SD or someone will come by and say something similar about Trump, so I'll leave that to them.)
But the debate tonight would only "help" me make one decision, and it certainly isn't WHO to vote for, but whether to vote at all. Because I have also said I have to have a reason to vote FOR someone, even if it's only ONE reason- and that reason can't be "to keep the other one out" anymore.
Reminds me of Carlin's take....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk
"if you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders". Altho I would modify that: I don't think there's anything ignorant about our leaders: I think they are as sly as foxes.
I'll give you one reason to vote. We are at war and we still have service men and women dying every day. As an American I feel it is my civil duty to vote in honor of them, our Nation and future generations. No matter the outcome. Being an American is a privilege which we all shouldn't take lightly or for granted. Voting is a right. I don't care who you vote for. Vote for yourself, one of your kids. It does not matter, exercise that right as an American.
In the most recent example of signs of the impending Apocalypse, Conservative Cincinnati newspaper picks the devil Hillary over the devil Trump, endorsing a Democrat for the first time in almost 100 years:
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/editorials/2016/09/23/enquirer-endorses-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/90728344/
Left is right, down is up. The end is nigh...
"that'll tell me how willfully ignorant the electorate is. (and I'm sure SD or someone will come by and say something similar about Trump, so I'll leave that to them.)" Nah, you got that one covered :>)
I pretty much avoid watching all of these so-called "debates", and have for years. I don't find them illuminating, and can't take all the misleading statements.
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