Operation Jade Helm

I've been hearing bits and pieces about this for a while now and have been wondering how it would be received. Came across this bit from a site that presents a lot of information from a contrarian financial view, so please excuse anything you may find offensive. I thought it worth sharing simply for the big-picture view that skepticism of government has been becoming less fringe as the years go by, IMO due to the never-ending "guilty until proven innocent" perspective that seems to be commonplace today. Anyway, after reading the directive from the Governor of Texas I think the people complaining about his action are just as zany as those who see the opposite extreme. IOW, more emotional BS getting thrown around by all sides.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-02/texas-republican-blasts-governors-embarrassing-irrational-response-jade-helm

If we keep asking for, and the government keeps legislating, more and more controls over society this trend will now doubt continue. I just wonder if anyone will realize how we got there.

justintime justintime
May '15

JH 15 is in tenn. They just had an active shooter. Not just 7 states. I know for sure 11. Probably 30. I would hard copy everything because they will be taken down.

Lynda Lynda
Jul '15

This whole thing is scary - not to sound like I have my tin foil hat on but any mass military operation within the confines of the U.S. Is contrary to posse comitatus and should instill fear within us all

skippy skippy
Jul '15

we are supposed to have a defensive force of volunteer citizens, the constitution was written in the shadow of the Brits using a standing army as an occupation force, so the framers were concerned about a federal government becoming too powerful, and wrote protections into the constitution.

these large scale military exercises should be questioned in this light, and the communications from those in charge of the maneuvers is insulting and condescending. Honest, hardworking American citizens have every right to feel disenfranchised by the parochial paternalistic approach.

and the governor has every right to deploy the Texas national guard to defend his state. The feds should walk more carefully in these situations.

BrotherDog BrotherDog
Jul '15

How is a military excercise in violation of posse comitatus?

Gadfly Gadfly
Jul '15

I've known about Jade Helm for awhile, but never posted anything because all the govt-lovers here would scream "conspiracy theorist!" "tin foil hat!" I can't help it if I'm ahead of the curve on these things....

Actual military members have started coming out, speaking on JH, on what they will or will not do, if ordered to. Definitely a scary situation. Almost a "dry run" for martial law. The really scary thing is, what does the govt think is coming that will be catastrophic enough to require national martial law? I smell a rat...

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Jul '15

Sounds like Battle griffin is going to happen in the states.

Booster90 Booster90
Jul '15

My Tin Foil hat says, a few Generals retired for some strange reasons.

Old Gent Old Gent
Jul '15

The relevant text of the Posse Comitatus, which roughly means ‘deputized force,’ in 18 U.S.C. § 1385 reads (as amended in 1956):

“Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

They have special forces operators in plain clothes in mixed teams with federal law enforcement officers doing God only knows what.

skippy skippy
Jul '15

I know Snoops says no, but strange things are happening.

Old Gent Old Gent
Jul '15

agreed Old Gent - highly clandestine and irregular things

Skippy Skippy
Jul '15

Snopes is not a 100% trustable source, I have personally found errors in their information, and have emailed them to have it fixed. And this was something I personally actually saw in person that they were reporting inaccurate information on.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Jul '15

SMH ---- the sky is falling

5catmom 5catmom
Jul '15

5cat - u can stay w/us if/when it all goes down, we got the skills, reserves and appropriate personnel all set to go.

BrotherDog BrotherDog
Jul '15

God Bless Texas!

Collegeviewrider Collegeviewrider
Jul '15

I'm so relieved, BrotherDog

5catmom 5catmom
Jul '15

Some of you people really have the tinfoil hat on way to tight I really think some of you are insane to believe anything like that and by the way exactly where should the US military have maneuvers exactly where should the US military practice you would think they would want to practice in conditions they may face overseas or is it okay for the military to practice have maneuvers in other people's countries but not their own some of you should need professional HELP

oldred
Jul '15

Oldred said

" some of you should need professional HELP"

Pot->meet kettle

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Jul '15

oldred - you can stay with us too, pick up 5cat on your way over and don't forget your service rifle, (you're gonna need it)

BrotherDog BrotherDog
Jul '15

hey hey me toooo!

Skippy Skippy
Jul '15

I'll stick with my tin hat, BD

5catmom 5catmom
Jul '15

Tin foil hats, conspiracies lol. It would be wise to remind the "it could never happen" people that a great many things that used to fall under the "conspiracy" umbrella are now accepted as fact. Besides, "conspiracies" are nothing more than truths extrapolated to an extreme where a large number of assumptions must come to fruition. The key word there being "truths", so while the exact outcome most likely won't happen the way some think it will there will probably be movement in that direction.

While I don't think this is any sort of government take over or anything like that, IMO a side benefit of conducting large scale exercises like this on American soil would be the psychological effect it has on the population in the classical conditioning sense. Nothing conspiratorial about that, given the history of our government conducting experiments to gain insight for planning purposes.

justintime justintime
Jul '15

The nation is already divided enough to accept these conspiracies very easily. You wouldn't believe the stuff I get in my email warning, to get ready for Armageddon. Just look at the Trump phenomenon, and the drug culture we are dealing with.The natives are restless.

Old Gent Old Gent
Jul '15

JeffersonRepub Coming from a man I think who loves his country but just not enough to serve it in any capacity if you want me I'll be on the grassy knoll proving the moon landing was a fake while I show you how 9/11 was an inside job peace out

oldred
Jul '15

Guess you guys didn't notice...lol

This was in March...Jade Helm my ass its already going down.

Old Gent i will be the first one to escort your ass to a Cattle Car headed to a Fema Camp.

Peace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGpRFKG_fos


They will need to impose Marshall Law before the economy collapses my best guess is September 11 thru the 27th....write it down the stock market will crash between 9/11 & 9/30.

Please look at the dates:
1994
2001
2008
2015?

The market crashed - your an idiot to stay in the market - 7 year cycles - its in the Bible but whatever stay in. I really don't care but i do care about H'town peeps get out of the market and buy physical assets - Gold or Silver...prediction ive heard 25 million dead in the US in the first 30 days of a US Dollar collapse.


If Marshall Law occurs & i wrote it down.
80% of US Marines will not fire on/or kill US citizens if ordered
60 % of US Army
50% of Navy
20 % of US Air Force will not fire on US Citizens if ordered - which is quit dishearthing.
The Air Force are scumbags or maybe they lied when they took the pole - imo

Big things will be going down in the next 8 to 10 weeks bet you Fox News wont tell you about it or CNN or whatever.

All i can say is prepare & get straight with God!

Peace out


RU-

oldred isn't the type they're looking to send to FEMA camps, he's a good little sheople who does what he's told. It's the people with the legally-owned firearms, confederate flags, and actual political opinions that differ from the government's that they will be looking to "re-educate."

This happened only 75 years ago people. That's the blink of an eye in human history. If you think mankind won't let it (make it) happen again, you are exactly where they want you. It won't go down the same way (there won't be any gas chambers), but rest assured the government has been trying to figure out a way to absolutely control the population for a very long time now. Rome wasn't built in a day.

I think this next presidential election will be very telling, and we will see a lot of stuff come to fruition in the not-too-distant future.

We will see a lot of people take the "Benedict Option"- basically, they will check out, stop caring, separate themselves from the entire political machine, and to an extent from the social/cultural machine, and wait for the collapse.

Damn.... I'm out of tin foil!

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Jul '15

This thread seems like it turned into a movie script but history dose repeat it's self. Thank goodness, I put my faith in the lord. Peace !!!
My Tin foil hat is off also

Old Gent Old Gent
Jul '15

I got tinfoil JR - ever see red dawn? I'll meet you at the spot -wink-

skippy skippy
Jul '15

Hasn't our military had enough "practice" in Iraq and Afghanistan?

If this isn't a practice run for possible statewide marshal law, you sure cant say it's training for ISIS.

Hot corner Hot corner
Jul '15

remind me not to come back to this thread.................some of you are verrrrry scary

5catmom 5catmom
Jul '15

Re: Operation Jade Helm

5catmom - do you have any clue what the Posse Comitatus Act is?

Of course you don't - you don't run military exercises inside the US on the US population - period!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Really its people like you - that allowed Nazi Germany to thrive...if you don't speak up than your part of the problem...imo

Jade Helm Map - sure is scary so is Marshall Law - I didn't make the map.
Keep playing with your Cats while you country is being invaded.

Peace out


next presidential election will be very telling

Yes it is going to be a turning point. One way or the other there will be, BIG decisions to be made by everyone for there individual futures as there always has been in the history of the world, as to who to join up with.

Old Gent Old Gent
Jul '15

Yah know during the Revolutionary War - 3% percent of the people in the US fought in the Revolutionary War & 10% of the people believed in the cause...

My point is do you believe in the following:

A Socialist Marxist President - everybody i talk to hates the dude.
A Homosexual Agenda - everybody i talk to says Kaitlyn Jenner is a freak & why is the media jamming this down my throat.

Most people feel there is something going wrong in this country!

The Silent Majority - well now is the time to speak up!

Not saying to take up arms - do what God tells you to do - violence is no answer. imo

The time is short - get off your ass and do something about it - whatever talent you have - just do something cause if you do nothing you are giving condonation to a Luciferian Agenda.

What did Jesus say?
Luke 19 -13

"Occupy till I come" .

To me what that means is I am not putting up with this BS - I dont care what a traitor President says or House of Representative or Senate or Supreme Court decrees - I am Occupying till He Comes...Screw up the Government works - just speak the Hell up!


Peace - nobody will wake up till the ATM's are shutdown and it's coming just like Greece.


https://freedomintelligence.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/are-you-a-three-percenter/

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19%3A13&version=KJV


I read this thread, and I can't help but hear Patsy Cline crooning in the background...."Craaaaaazy".

And no this excercise doesn't violate the posse comitatus act.

Crazy on...er, I mean, carry on.

Gadfly Gadfly
Jul '15

All I can say is wow!!! No wonder there's a shortage of tin foil in Hackettstown...way too many people making tin foil hats so the government can't read their minds.

The US military has been conducting maneuvers within the United States since the Minutemen drilled together in the countryside outside of Lexington and Concord. People, this is nothing new. During World War II guess where the Navy and Marine Corps practiced amphibious landings...that's right, on US soil. Get a grip, people.

And by the way.... the correct term is MARTIAL LAW...not Marshall Law...

Rant on....

JerryG JerryG
Jul '15

Amen Gadfly andJerry G Amen-- I'm so relieved to see you here - thought I had slipped into the Cuckoo's Nest

5catmom 5catmom
Jul '15

Ha, good catch Jerry my bad, I guess I should take time and edit my posts.

I remember when people thought that we would never have a black president, or weed be legal or same sex marriage for that. I remember a strong American work force. All that has changed.

If you seriously think that the government can't or will not control every aspect of your being " for the greater good" please rethink.

We all depend on cash, did you ever think about if there wasn't any?

Hot corner Hot corner
Jul '15

Gadfly - it's a fine line. They're intergating law enforcement agencies in with the title ten troops - that sounds like a deputized force to me.

skippy skippy
Jul '15

Hot corner,

I don't think a black president in and of itself is inherently a bad thing, and I'm pretty sure you don't either. It doesn't take a specific race, creed, or gender to be a good or bad leader -- the problem IMHO seems to be the absolute dearth of good candidates of any race, creed, gender OR political party who I would trust leading the country for the next four years. I suppose that once again millions of Americans will go to the polls in 2016 and vote against a candidate instead of for a candidate. We'll likely be faced yet again with selecting from the lesser or two evils.

As far as same sex marriage...I'm a flaming heterosexual and am secure enough in my skin not to think that anyone else's sexual preferences really matters to anyone but themselves. Quite frankly, there are a lot of people everywhere who would be better off minding their own business first before sticking their noses in where it doesn't concern them.

Two comments about legalizing weed. First, from an economic standpoint we waste a tremendous amount of money in this country fighting a "war" against a drug that does less damage to society than alcohol, while we see the statistics from Colorado that show that state made over $100 million in revenue from tax and licensing fees in the first 12 months of legalization without any increase in crimes (violent and/or motor vehicle) related to pot usage. Secondly, the only reason marijuana is a so-called gateway drug is that it forces users into underground criminal activity to purchase the drug. People who smoke weed don't suddenly wake up one morning wanting to stick a needle in their arm anymore than non-smokers do.

Wow...talk about off topic. My apologies for rambling.

JerryG JerryG
Jul '15

I went to Homestead Florida after Hurricane Andrew to help where I can. While there my eye's were opened up to the mass confusion, how the national guard took control. They told you, where to go, how much water you may have, what time to be off the streets, who you can help and who you could not.

That was a very small section of one state. Hurricane Sandy was nothing compared to that, and we witnessed panic here in Warren county.

Now imagine a national economic collapse. .......

Rethink

Hot corner Hot corner
Jul '15

Jerry- think you missed my point. We never thought those things would happen but they did! To say the government can't take over is foolish. We have let the Fed get to big!

Hot corner Hot corner
Jul '15

Skippy, I'm not sure about the fine line. As I understand it, the Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the military from conducting domestic law enforcement, except in certain specific cases outlined in the law. The current excercise is just that, an excercise. They are not conducting law enforcement.

Gadfly Gadfly
Jul '15

Hopefully you're right gadfly

skippy skippy
Jul '15

Gadfly, I agree with you about Posse Comitatus. Taking part in a law enforcement action would be a different story though.

As far as the "crazy" stuff you are looking down upon, my suggestion is to look at historical trends and ask yourself if there could ever be a time in our future history where the government may feel like they'd have to use the military internally? I'd also ask if there has been a "distrust of government" trend in our society, and has that trend been expanding or contracting? If you agree there is a distrust of government, ask why that is, why are people more distrusting? And if you get that far, now ask yourself why it is unsurprising that some folks will take things to the extreme and extrapolate to the worst possible outcome.

I think you know my thoughts on this as I tend to be a trends guy. My take is that there are serious issues within our nation that need attention, and if not addressed the distrust trend will continue. And if that is the trend, what will happen when there are enough "crazies" as you put it to affect real change? How will our government react then?

justintime justintime
Jul '15

JIT...

"ask yourself if there COULD ever be a time in our future history where the government may feel like they'd have to use the military internally." (Emphasis added)

Could it? Well sure it could. Is there ANY indication that it's happening now? No, there is none, and yet you and others come on here and insist that it is happening today. And when people question you and others for making outrageous claims with absolutely no proof, the best you can come up with is something like, "what do you mean it can't happen? It's happened before."

Gadfly Gadfly
Jul '15

Gadfly, I agree it's not happening today. I would have hoped that was obvious by the content of my post.

But I have to ask, are you ignoring the main point in my post (everything past the one sentence you responded to), in which I'm asking you to look at the *trends* and consider whether or not current trends are pushing us in the direction that *may* lead to the scenarios presented here?

justintime justintime
Jul '15

Hot corner, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about Hurricane Andrew...

Was, in your opinion, the National Guard exercising control in time of disaster a good thing, or a bad thing?

Just keep in mind they did not "take control." The Guard must be called into action by the governor (civilian leadership) of the state. It was not a military coup by any means.

Great book from the 1960s: Seven Days in May. It was about the uncovering and thwarting of a military coup in the US. It was later made into a movie with Burt Lancaster (bad general) and Kirk Douglas (good general).

JerryG JerryG
Jul '15

BTW, when you say "you and others" I'd ask you to reread my comments and don't assume I fully agree with what others say. Just because I won't cut other poster's off at the knees for being wrong today doesn't mean that at some point in the future, given the trends as I know them to be today, there could be some truth in what they write.

Trends are a curious thing. They can, and do, often turn in directions one wouldn't expect. Why would anyone think that trends would always turn in the direction they want, whether optimistically or pessimistically? .

I'm taking the middle road on this one and saying keep an open mind but be realistic about it. Belittling people shows that you may not fully understand my take on this.

justintime justintime
Jul '15

The trend that I see JIT is that more and more people are getting their "news" from scurrilous websites, Facebook posts, and viral emails forwarded to them by their crazy uncle, and that there is a growing paranoia among such people. Its sad, and a little scary, but its definitely happening. You can see the results posted on this forum regularly.

Gadfly Gadfly
Jul '15

But Gadfly...if it's on the Internet it has to be the truth, right??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_CgPsGY5Mw

JerryG JerryG
Jul '15

What's the basis for those fears Gadfly? Instead of simply dismissing them as you and others do, do you even want to know what is causing them? Understanding is what's needed, not dismissive arrogance.

Divisions within the economy perhaps? The government misleading us (seemingly at every turn about what they are doing and why, thanks Snowden) without recourse? Assumed innocence in the eyes of the law now being assumed guilt? The 1%/99% divide - is it real or a figment of our imagination? Having a better understanding of how our underlying systems of government actually work? No doubt some people will take this information and react to an extreme - not surprising at all.

What's really comical is how all of this is out in the open yet folks like you choose to ignore it, simply thinking that anyone who thinks there's trouble on the horizon is "crazy".

justintime justintime
Jul '15

JIT wrote:

"Tin foil hats, conspiracies lol. It would be wise to remind the "it could never happen" people that a great many things that used to fall under the "conspiracy" umbrella are now accepted as fact. Besides, "conspiracies" are nothing more than truths extrapolated to an extreme where a large number of assumptions must come to fruition. The key word there being "truths", so while the exact outcome most likely won't happen the way some think it will there will probably be movement in that direction.

While I don't think this is any sort of government take over or anything like that, IMO a side benefit of conducting large scale exercises like this on American soil would be the psychological effect it has on the population in the classical conditioning sense. Nothing conspiratorial about that, given the history of our government conducting experiments to gain insight for planning purposes."

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This is the post I referred to when I said "you and others". In the first paragraph, you give an outlandish definition of "conspiracies" in which give credence to the current conspiracy theories. You then conclude that, "there will probably be movement in that direction."

In the second paragraph, you invent your own nefarious motive for the current excercise which assumes the same federal government end goals as those espoused by our other conspiracy theorists. By the way, your proposed motive has that ingenious benefit that it can never, ever be disproven. Well done!

Gadfly Gadfly
Jul '15

JIT,

I don't ignore the your proses causes, although I do reject the notion that people have, "a better understanding of how our underlying systems of government actually work."

The rest of your proposed causes are not new issues. Could they be contributing? Sure. But they aren't the primary cause for the growing paranoia and widespread disinformation that we're now seeing.

Gadfly Gadfly
Jul '15

Yes Jerry, of course it was.
I'm concerned what will happen on a National scale, if the people need to be "put down".

I agree with JIT, there are trends. History repeats itself, if not learned by it.

Think of what you want of me, call me crazy. It's ok.

Choices are made and thats between you and God.

Hot corner Hot corner
Jul '15

Gadfly- this "paranoia" has been around alot longer than the internet.

Hot corner Hot corner
Jul '15

Gadfly, I'll start by addressing the second paragraph. You do know that a main tenet of political action is maintaining a consistent message, also known in psychology circles as mass conditioning, right? Say the same thing over and over again until it become accepted? We see it all the time, often reference as incremental moves. I'm surprised you've never heard of it! The one thing I know for sure is that those pulling the levers of government are not stupid, not by any stretch of the imagination, and it behooves those in power to plan ahead, and if that plan means reacting to an insurgency in the US at some point in the future then why wouldn't they plan for it? You would, wouldn't you? Since we are talking about military *planning* my comment shouldn't be surprising in the least.

Back to the first part, conspiracies. What is a conspiracy? From one source of many:
"Conspiracy: An agreement between two or more persons to engage jointly in an unlawful or criminal act, or an act that is innocent in itself but becomes unlawful when done by the combination of actors."

My point is that more often than anyone would like, the majority of conspiracy theories are based in fact - it's the extrapolation to an unlikely end result that is usually the cause for the name calling. I'm saying don't ignore the underlying reasons, the facts, that lead to these theories. Do you disagree with that view?

BTW, I'm guessing that you didn't even read the link in my original post for if you had you wouldn't have jumped to the conclusions about my views that you did. I posted that article because I agree with most of what was written (in fact agree with most of what you've written as well, the exception being the name calling) that all of the excitement around Jade Helm is ridiculous. But I'm not ignorant to think that the underlying issues that lead some folks to these conclusions aren't there. IOW, I'm not going to bury my head in the sand.

justintime justintime
Jul '15

Funny that you call me out on name calling JIT. I used the word crazy in one post, while you've implied that I'm ignorant and arrogant. I believe that you're beating me on that score.

Gadfly Gadfly
Jul '15

Gadfly- you seem to be the believe nothing, question everything type of person. How can you see that this could be possible?

Hot corner Hot corner
Jul '15

*can't* yep the edit thing smh

Hot corner Hot corner
Jul '15

I did not imply you are ignorant or arrogant Gadfly. You're a very intelligent poster and your posts are more often than not well thought out.

Justintime Justintime
Jul '15

RU, you are insane and delusional.

seriously seriously
Jul '15

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