Ebola Patient diagnosed in the U.S

Not necessarily in that order (-;

ianimal ✉
Sep '14

!@#$%^ I was on my way to Dallas tonight

Clyde Potts ✉
Sep '14

Mark still makes a good point

Booster90 ✉
Sep '14

Don't forget the 3,000 US military troops (boots on the ground!) who have been deployed right smack in the middle of it. Pray for them.

auntiel ✉
Sep '14

"Don't forget the 3,000 US military troops (boots on the ground!) who have been deployed right smack in the middle of it. Pray for them."

Yup. Dear God. Amen.

JeffersonRepub ✉
Sep '14

People returning from Ebola country should probably be quarantined for the entire incubation period, which can be up to three weeks.

ianimal ✉
Sep '14

Nah, let's just shoot them and burn them. It'll be cheaper.

I kiiid, I kiiid....

JeffersonRepub ✉
Sep '14

If we were taking this epidemic seriously anyone returning from a country where the disease is out of control, such as Liberia, should have been properly screened. Have you ever tried to cross the boarder with a bag of fruit or a plant ? It is treated as a cataclysmic event yet with this we have done nothing.

Mark

I agree, but this guy was not just anyone from anywhere to enter the country. He is an American citizen. The phrase " anyone from anywhere to enter the country" usually refers to some not from this country.

Clyde Potts ✉
Oct '14

Whether he is an American citizen or not, shouldn't he still have still been screened when entering the US from an area of disease concern?

Calico696 ✉
Oct '14

"Shouldn't he still have been screened when entering the US from an area of disease concern?" --- Calico

Screened how, Calico?

happiest girl
Oct '14

I think the bigger question is why are people *still* traveling there?

3wbdwnj ✉
Oct '14

"Agreed 3w. We need to stop travel to this region"

Hmmm, can we legally do that?

Calico696 ✉
Oct '14

I was assuming people would say on their own, "Meh, maybe I'll wait a little while till this ebola thing dies down." Why are people stiil going there? I'm not being funny here. Seriously, why are people going there?

3wbdwnj ✉
Oct '14

^^^That too :)

3wbdwnj ✉
Oct '14

why are we sending several thousand of our troops over to liberia, for what pupose?

what are the chances that when they come home to their american military bases here stateside that they bring the ebola infection with them and there isn't a further uncontrolled breakout here in the USA on our military bases? i don't really know for sure, but it's giving me the willies

i mean what happens to our defensive capabilities if we have army bases that are dealing with ebola?

given this potential, i'm not so sure i would send our men and women in uniform into a situation like this.

BrotherDog ✉
Oct '14

And maybe the news report isn't true. Wouldn't be the first time.

BLD
Oct '14

A news report said that 18-21 people have been exposed to this patient, including 3 on the ambulance.

Hey, Obama said that this could not spread here, so I guess we're safe, don't worry!

Reggie Voter ✉
Oct '14

"But school officials have said they showed no symptoms."

no symptoms yet . . . . . it's a 21 day incubation correct?

sure hope the schools are ok.

BrotherDog ✉
Oct '14

"Parents on Wednesday were removing their children from a Dallas school where a student may have had contact with the Ebola patient diagnosed Tuesday.

A letter to parents of children at L.L. Hotchkiss Elementary School, 6929 Town North Drive, says in part:

“This morning, we were made aware that one of our students may have had contact with an individual who was recently diagnosed with the Ebola virus. This student is currently not showing any symptoms and is under close observation by the Dallas County Health and Human Services Department. As a precautionary measure, the student has been advised to stay home from school. Since this student is not presenting any symptoms, there is nothing to suggest that the disease was spread to others, including students and staff.”

At a news conference at noon Wednesday, Dallas Independent School District Superintendent Mike Miles said students attending four different Dallas Independent School District schools possibly have been exposed to the Ebola virus.

He said the district was informed the five students were in contact with the Ebola patient over the weekend. They have been in school since, but are now at home and likely will be kept there for 21 days."

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/10/01/6165611/officials-say-only-one-ebola-case.html#storylink=cpy

LV Mom
Oct '14

Officials: Second person being monitored for Ebola

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/01/texas-ebola-patient/16525649/

RU ✉
Oct '14

"Why are we letting people from countries with the outbreak visit here ??"

Given how mobile the world is that we live in I don't expect it would be an easy thing to limit travel. If someone wanted to skirt a restriction from a listed country all they would have to do is take a circuitous route. Taking precautions is a different thing though.

I think the WHO is typically the body that educates governments and citizens on when an outbreak requires a particular set of responses. Here's the latest I can find from the WHO, but it's dated August 8th. It might be time to update some of the response steps because of how the virus has spread over the past two months.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/statements/2014/ebola-20140808/en/

justintime ✉
Oct '14

this guy in dallas had a 7 hour layover in brusells, and a 3 hour layover in dulles, before getting off the plane in dallas. hundreds of potential victims are being rounded up from three airports.

apparently parents are pulling their kids out of the public schools in dallas in a panic

other's are reporting that this ebola victim was seen vomiting violently outside the apartment building, that's not good, that's pretty bad,

another news story is saying their is a second confirmed case of ebola

the cdc and doctors are saying you cannot catch this before symptoms are present, but every time they show medical professionals working they are pictured in full hazmat type suits, with face shields and even sometimes using duct tape to further close up any openings. taping over any holes in their suits with duct tape, but this is hard to catch, so not to worry america this is hard to catch.

r u kidding me ?

BrotherDog ✉
Oct '14

History Channel a few years ago ran a docu-drama about a Global Pandemic - i call it doom porn but it's actually pretty good - there is a Professor from Rutgers doing some of the commentary. Worth a watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eym4PwHmUvI

RU ✉
Oct '14

I think the cameraman was a freelance cameraman from Liberia who was hired by NBC earlier this week. So no, it's like he went there to cover the outbreak and became exposed...

Brendan ✉
Oct '14

I was the third post in this string as I stated that we allow anyone and everyone to enter the country without proper screening, and with borders as open as swinging doors in a breeze we are opening ourselves up to a terrible risk.
I was immediately rebuffed by Clyde telling me he was a Texas man going home.. what was I possibly thinking.

Now we find he was not going home, he is from Liberia
He lied on his "screening" form - That is all it takes
(Screener Question) "Do you have or have you contacted someone with Ebola?"
(Response) No
(Screener) Welcome aboard.

If I had Ebola and thought I was going to die, my goal would be to get to the U.S. for treatment by any means possible. How many others are thinking that way?

Just read that it was published in Africa that if you take ibuprofen shortly before boarding a plane it can lower a fever to enable one to get past temperature checks.

Now we have more then 100 people being watched because of this ONE individual. His family who is in a non-secure quarantine in their apartment are complaining they are tired of being locked up, and this is just after a couple of days.

I also had a question, an NBC cameraman, in Liberia, has also just been diagnosed and is bring brought here for treatment. If this is so hard to catch how did he get it? I am sure he was not treating the sick, or exchanging bodily fluids.

And as of yesterday the administration is still stating that there will be no restrictions of any kind on travel... Come on in.... welcome....

Mark ✉
Oct '14

Useful advice from The Onion:

This week saw the first confirmed case of Ebola virus within the United States, the latest development in an outbreak that has already claimed over 3,000 lives. Here are some ways you can protect yourself against this deadly disease:
•Boil all bodily fluids before consumption.
•Regularly examine your DNA under an electron microscope for any indication that Ebola has attached itself to your cell membranes.
•Recognize the symptoms of Ebola, which include fever, chills, and developing symptoms too late to do anything about them.
•Cover the nose and mouth of Ebola patients when they sneeze to avoid spreading germs.
•Avoid eating bat soup, which is actually pretty sound advice whether there’s an ongoing Ebola outbreak or not.
•Ebola can only be spread once patients are symptomatic, so if you believe you’ve been exposed, get all your errands and public trips out of the way before your symptoms start showing.
•Be sure to stay up to date on developments by signing up for the official CDC phone tree.
•Try being born one of the 15 percent of rural Gabonese citizens with natural immunity to the virus.
•Give billions of dollars to pharmaceutical companies.
•If you see a suspicious-looking filamentous virus particle roughly one micron in length, stay away.
•Continue following lifelong plan of avoiding Dallas, TX at all costs

Yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

It's God HELP them. What makes me laugh (not really it, I'd rather scream) everyone is up in arms about Ebola getting into the country. But yet they are the same ones that turned their heads to the tens of thousands of children that were brought to our shores from South America and distributed throughout our Nation. Put directly into our schools. They were not screened or vaccinated. Do any of us really know what diseases came with them?? All of a sudden we have a very nasty virus going around in our schools, this virus is also causing paralysis in some cases. The almighty elite say we don't know what it is or where it came from. Really! TB is on the rise in Mass. If they don't get a handle on this Ebola and fast, God help us all.

auntiel ✉
Oct '14

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Patient-With-Ebola-Like-Symptoms-Being-Treated-at-Howard-University-Hospital-278025181.html

Patient With Ebola-Like Symptoms Being Tested at D.C.'s Howard University Hospital

A patient with Ebola-like symptoms is being treated at Howard University Hospital in Washington, D.C., a hospital spokesperson confirmed late Friday morning.

The patient had traveled to Nigeria recently.

LV Mom
Oct '14

Sigh....sigh....sigh...

Calico696 ✉
Oct '14

BHO is looking for an excuse to declare Martial Law...and THEN he will really TRY to take our guns away.

sha44ss ✉
Oct '14

the government lies. ebola will spread. people will die.
anyone that trusts the federal government to tell the truth and approves of the current president and congress is an absolute fool. look around.

johnny ✉
Oct '14

And the media always tells the truth...
That would be a first I guess we could start with cluster Fox news since they are the biggest and boldest liars.

I seen a segment of one of their shows don't remember the name of it there were five or six people sitting around a table cackling.: And one of the women at the table started going off about how the president is leading from behind and she said what I mean by that is once the outbreak started the president should have immediately suspended all direct flights from the infected countries to the United States if he would have done this we probably wouldn't have the virus here. It just goes to show you that the president just doesn't care. He's so quick to use executive action on everything else why didn't he do it in this situation. But what that dumb mouthpiece didn't bother doing was a little homework if she had she would've realized that there was and is no direct flights between the infected countries in the US. Cluster Fox news would never and I mean never let any facts get in the way of a good Obama bashing segment

oldred
Oct '14

And so it begins....Just what we need here, Little Liberia.

Bruin ✉
Oct '14

Well, good to hear it was not Ebola. Heard the man in Dallas is in critical condition though.

Bruin ✉
Oct '14

Actually MG we've transported three American citizens over from Africa who were stricken with Ebola.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/10/04/umass-memorial-evaluates-patient-for-possible-possible-ebola/9WMNQZuGddeHWEFN48eMAM/story.html?p1=Topopage:Test_B:Main_headline

Another US citizen stricken in Liberia is being flown to the US for treatment today and is expected to arrive in Nebraska tomorrow.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/04/us-ebola-patient-ashoka-mukpo-liberia

BLD
Oct '14

And the "band wagons" continue to sing... gathering their "faithful".....

pmnsk ✉
Oct '14

Busto44, best tip I ever received delivering food was from one of those "leeches". These guys bust their ass more than anyone else and earn their keep. They spend cash--actual physical dollars--in the community. Many of them pay taxes from their paycheck and never, ever see a tax return. They're also doing the majority of jobs that no one else cares to do. Have you ever eaten at a restaurant, Busto? Chances are you're being fed by them, as they're the only guys willing to bust their asses in kitchens all day and night. I've known some of the guys you so arrogantly ragged on and would prefer a hundred more of them to a single additional one of you.

Fuji
Oct '14

Busto44, are you from the past? Do you actually believe Obama is a thug? Seems like your definition of the word applies to anyone who is isn't Caucasian. Thugs don't have two ivy-league educations and go on to become president.


As far as your Ebola comment goes, Liberia is planning on prosecuting Duncan when he returns. The majority of the population is Christian too...

gastronome
Oct '14

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/10/04/immigrants-kicked-obamacare-now-suing-over-discrimination

two immigration groups have filed legal complaints against the Obama administration for kicking over one hundred thousand Obamacare customers off their insurance plans without sending notices in their native language, Modern Healthcare reports.

The Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights (ICIRR) and Philadelphia’s Southeast Asian Mutual Assistance Associations Coalition (SEAMACC) have both filed complaints with Health and Human Services’ Office of Civil Rights. The groups believe the Obama administration’s move to end the health plans of customers who failed to prove their legal immigration or citizenship status violate customers’ rights as immigrants.

The Obama administration terminated 115,000 customers’ Obamacare exchange health insurance on September 30, after customers failed to submit required documentation to prove their legal status in the U.S.

LV Mom
Oct '14

Embryodad, if you go on cdc.gov you can learn all the ways Ebola is transmitted. Mosquito's are not one of them, only mammals can carry the virus. Unless you've come in direct contact (with body fluids) from an infected person or animal I doubt that you or anyone else will be affected by it.

gastronome
Oct '14

Patient Zero is dead.

http://www.inlandnewstoday.com/story.php?s=35161

ianimal ✉
Oct '14

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/?lead=frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms

Frisco Patient Exhibiting Ebola Symptoms

FRISCO (CSBDFW.COM) - An afternoon news conference has been called in Frisco, a suburb of Dallas, to discuss a possible second case of Ebola.
According to a statement from the City of Frisco, the patient claims to have had contact with Thomas Eric Duncan, referred to as Dallas ‘patient zero.’
It is not clear how the patient had contact with Duncan or if the patient was one of the about 50 people being monitored by federal, state and local health officials.

The news conference will be held at 3:30 pm at Frisco’s Central Fire Station. CBSDFW will stream it live.

LV Mom
Oct '14

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/08/second-texas-ebola-frisco-patient_n_5954454.html

Texas Man Under Observation After Potential Ebola Exposure


Sgt. Michael Monnig, an employee of the Dallas County Sheriff's Office, was taken to the hospital Wednesday amid fears that he had been exposed to the Ebola virus, the sheriff's office confirmed. Authorities later announced that Monnig was at "minimal" risk, but said they were proceeding "with an abundance of caution."

Monnig had been in the apartment Thomas Eric Duncan was staying in before he was hospitalized and diagnosed with Ebola, NBC Dallas-Fort Worth reported. Duncan, the first patient to be diagnosed with the virus in the U.S., died Wednesday morning.

Monnig’s son Logan said Wednesday his father had been monitoring his own temperature since last week and had been experiencing fatigue and stomach pain, so he decided to get checked out at a clinic to be safe.

“He spent very little time in the apartment, and he did not come in contact with Mr. Duncan or any bodily fluids,” Logan Monnig told the Dallas Morning News. “We’re just waiting for the facts right now to make sure he’s OK.”

The city of Frisco, Texas, said in a statement on Wednesday that "a patient exhibiting signs and symptoms of Ebola" had been identified. Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas confirmed that a patient was admitted to the hospital's emergency room after possible exposure to the virus.

LV Mom
Oct '14

South Africa? Close, but no.

It's West Africa, specifically Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.

Plus it's only New York's JFK International Airport Saturdayt and then expand to Washington Dulles and the international airports in Atlanta, Chicago and Newark using non-evasive meters and catching 90% of all travelers.

Until we start seeing ebola, I guess 90% is a start.

Of course this does not catch double hoppers as in folks who travel to safe havens and then come to the US. We would have to super screen their passports to catch them, it is not automated.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

Useful Information from The Onion:


Following the death of the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, concerns about the deadly hemorrhagic virus are running high throughout the country. Here is everything you need to know about Ebola:

What is Ebola?

Ebola is an infectious, often fatal virus. For more complete information, consult your own darkest paranoid nightmares.

How do you contract Ebola?

Ebola is contracted through contact with a health care system that vastly overestimates its preparedness for a global pandemic.

What are the symptoms of Ebola?

Severe flu-like symptoms that a CNN cameraman is filming.

How long does it take for symptoms to first appear?

Anywhere from two to 10 days after passing through U.S. customs.

How is Ebola treated?

The virus is eventually killed when the body begins naturally decomposing inside a coffin several feet underground.

Do I have Ebola?

Not yet.

How dangerous is Ebola?

Easily Africa’s fourth or fifth most pressing issue.

I come into frequent physical contact with Ebola-infected blood, urine, saliva, stool, and vomit. Am I at risk of contracting Ebola?

Yes.


Is there a risk of Ebola spreading further?

If Dallas authorities fail to properly contain the disease, it may spread as far as Plano and Fort Worth.

How are Ebola outbreaks contained?

Great question!

What are airports doing to screen passengers?

Questionnaire based on fundamental assumption that those in desperate need of medical attention would not lie to get out of western Africa and into the U.S.

How many people could die if Ebola begins spreading in the United States?

Projections are currently imprecise but range anywhere from 318.8 million to 319.0 million Americans.

When will all this Ebola hysteria end?

For you? At exactly 11:18 a.m. on Tuesday, Oct. 28.

yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

I'm sure that most of you know, but in case you don't, The Onion is a satirical news source.

Doctor German Ramirez has been quoted saying that Romero remembers she touched her face with her gloves as she removed her protective suit after leaving the quarantine room at the hospital. Mistakes do happen, better precautions should have been taken.

gastronome
Oct '14

From EliteDaily:

9 Reasons Why You Need To Calm The F*ck Down About Ebola In America

http://elitedaily.com/news/world/why-you-shouldnt-buy-into-the-ebola-hype/784344/

gastronome
Oct '14

This is the most "controversial" post I have ever written anywhere, and I will state up front that this is a theory.

Thomas Eric Duncan did not die because of the color of his skin. He died because his treatment was not of the same quality as the American doctors who survived.

His treatment was not lesser because of the color of his skin, but because of two very important reasons. It was not known that he could have Ebola when he first sought help. In addition (and this is the more important reason), Thomas Eric Duncan was not an American doctor treating Ebola patients on another continent on a humanitarian mission.

Thomas Eric Duncan's treatment may have been (at least partially) intentional. Because he is not American, and because he seemingly lied about his recent travels to gain access to the United States, he becomes a beacon for hope for thousands of current/future Ebola patients on the continent of Africa looking for help. If Thomas Eric Duncan survives, it provides others with a hope that if they can get to the United States, they can get life-saving treatment.

While this may be true, you can see where it creates a MAJOR security risk to Americans. If there is a mass exodus to America from the affected countries, we could see an influx of travelers from affected areas hitting our shores. I am in no way saying that Thomas Eric Duncan's death was intentional, but I am not saying that his death wasn't intentional.

Saving American doctors serves the opposite purpose. As Americans, we pride ourselves on being able to help those in need. If we see our own doctors succumbing to this disease, fewer doctors are willing to travel to affected areas to assist. This in and of itself could potentially degrade both our individual humanitarian efforts and the perception we have as a country who races to assist where necessary. We NEED to save these selfless heroes who race to the front lines, both to support their individual efforts, but also to perpetuate the cycle of Americans coming to the rescue. This is both from a Rah Rah USA perspective and a self preservation perspective. Without knowledgeable doctors, including those from America, this disease proliferates much faster than it currently has. These heroes need to be in the affected countries, and we need to save them.

It is just coincidence that the doctors are white, and the Liberian citizen who died on U.S. soil is not.

CR37 ✉
Oct '14

.....


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/obama-you-cant-get-ebola-sitting-next-someone-bus-cdc-avoid-public

Obama: You Can't Get Ebola 'Sitting Next to Someone on a Bus;' CDC: 'Avoid Public Transportation'

(CNSNews.com) - Speaking in a video message to residents of West African countries currently experiencing outbreaks of Ebola, President Barack Obama dispensed advice on how residents can avoid the disease, including:"You cannot get it through casual contact like sitting next to someone on a bus."

At the same time, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is advising Americans who travel to the Ebola-stricken nations to "avoid public transportation."

LV Mom
Oct '14

Obama claims it can't be caught sitting next to someone on a bus, but don't even joke about it...

http://www.nj.com/south/index.ssf/2014/10/i_have_ebola_says_passenger_flying_from_philadelphia_who_sparked_scare.html

A sneezing passenger traveling from Philadelphia to Punta Cana, Dominican Republic put passengers and airport officials on alert when he claimed that he had Ebola, according to a report from the Diario Libre newspaper in Santo Domingo.

"I have Ebola, you are all screwed," the 54-year-old male U.S. Airways passenger said, according to the report.

Health officials boarded the plane carrying 290 passengers, according to the report, and checked the aircraft after detaining the passenger in the airport's medical facility.

"It is absolutely false the information that states that through the Punta Cana Airport a person suspected of being sick with Ebola arrived in our country," Communications Director for Public Health Eduardo Rosario Bourdierd told the paper.

The man will be returned to the U.S. and checked again for the disease, according to the report.

LV Mom
Oct '14

Any thoughts on this ...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-10/public-health-emergency-declared-connecticut-over-ebola-civil-rights-suspended-indef

happy2bhere ✉
Oct '14

No need to panic, great advice from The Onion:

This week saw the first confirmed case of Ebola virus within the United States, the latest development in an outbreak that has already claimed over 3,000 lives. Here are some ways you can protect yourself against this deadly disease:

•Boil all bodily fluids before consumption.
•Regularly examine your DNA under an electron microscope for any indication that Ebola has attached itself to your cell membranes.
•Recognize the symptoms of Ebola, which include fever, chills, and developing symptoms too late to do anything about them.
•Cover the nose and mouth of Ebola patients when they sneeze to avoid spreading germs.
•Avoid eating bat soup, which is actually pretty sound advice whether there’s an ongoing Ebola outbreak or not.
•Ebola can only be spread once patients are symptomatic, so if you believe you’ve been exposed, get all your errands and public trips out of the way before your symptoms start showing.
•Be sure to stay up to date on developments by signing up for the official CDC phone tree.
•Try being born one of the 15 percent of rural Gabonese citizens with natural immunity to the virus.
•Give billions of dollars to pharmaceutical companies.
•If you see a suspicious-looking filamentous virus particle roughly one micron in length, stay away.

yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

Thank you iPhone-imal.

auntiel ✉
Oct '14

So far one of the best resources is from International SOS (we use them at work): https://www.internationalsos.com/ebola/

Bonv ✉
Oct '14

LOL iphone-imal!!

LV Mom
Oct '14

I wish BHO would put his own feet on the ground there.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-military-faces-kind-threat-ebola-055717486--finance.html

(Reuters) - At Fort Campbell in Kentucky, spouses of U.S. soldiers headed to Liberia seem to be lingering just a bit longer than usual after pre-deployment briefings, hungry for information about Ebola.

For these families, the virus is raising a different kind of anxiety than the one they have weathered during 13 years of ground war in Afghanistan and Iraq. They want to know how the military can keep soldiers safe from the epidemic, a new addition to the Army's long list of threats.

LV Mom
Oct '14

What it's like to fly out of Liberia right now -

http://www.boston.com/travel/destinations/2014/10/12/here-what-like-travel-out-liberia-right-now/PMwwrcRA5nPs1lQh2V3WZJ/story.html

BLD
Oct '14

"Princeton resident Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC's chief medical editor and correspondent, issued a statement Monday night apologizing for violating the voluntary isolation agreement she made after she was exposed to Ebola."

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2014/10/nbcs_dr_nancy_snyderman_apologizes_for_violating_voluntary_isolation_agreement_when_in_princeton.html

BLD
Oct '14

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/ap_ab3cd5a9b32c450aa5a13e1a4a14c60e

TEXAS DEPT.: 2ND PERSON TESTS POSITIVE FOR EBOLA

DALLAS (AP) — A second health care worker at a Dallas hospital who provided care for the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the U.S. has tested positive for the disease, the Texas Department of State Health Services said Wednesday.
The department said in a statement that the worker reported a fever Tuesday and was immediately isolated at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas. Health officials said the worker was among those who took care of Thomas Eric Duncan, who was diagnosed with Ebola after coming to the U.S. from Liberia. Duncan died Oct. 8.

LV Mom
Oct '14

She's not worried, she'll get first rate care, the rest of us are doomed with obamacare...

LV Mom
Oct '14

Don't worry the Government will protect you. Thats there main job under the Constitution.Of course no one gets fired for in competence, but that's OK. Only a few will fall through the cracks.

Old Gent ✉
Oct '14

BD- she thinks she is above everyone. She doesnt care about anyone but herself. I have very close family out that way. Anger doesn't describe how I feel about this. Unbelievable!

botheredbyuu2 ✉
Oct '14

Old Gent, it's more likely BHO was asked not show up..

Once an infected person is identified, they should be transported to one (of only a handful) of the hospitals equipped to handle this and everyone they had contact with should be isolated for twenty one days.

I bet the odds of contracting ebola seemed really low to those people on the plane, before today.

LV Mom
Oct '14

It's not funny how badly this is being handled by the CDC and our gov't.


http://mashable.com/2014/10/15/dallas-ebola-frontier-airline-nurse/

CDC: Nurse Infected With Ebola Shouldn't Have Flown to Cleveland

On Wednesday, CDC director Dr. Tom Frieden said, "She should not have traveled on a commercial airline." CDC director Dr. Tom Frieden said, "She should not have traveled on a commercial airline." From this moment forward, Frieden said, the CDC will be sure that no one who has been exposed to Ebola will travel, except under "controlled movement."

LV Mom
Oct '14

Well now that she saved possible ticket cancellation fees she has put a lot people at risk. Seems like she did the right thing cause she's only human. There has to be some personal responsibility. You can blame the CDC and Obama all you want but please, a doctor, Snyderman and a nurse think it's ok to disregard the obvious? Take some responsibility and wait out the 21 days in your home so we can be safer as a country.

Redwing
Oct '14

Actually, maja, I believe the vast majority of people in this nurse's circumstances would NOT have flown. I know I sure would not have. She knew darn well what she was doing, and put the lives of many other people at risk. How can you possibly even bring up an airline cancellation fee when we are talking about the spread of one of the deadliest diseases known to man? Truly do not understand your viewpoint here.

Rebecka ✉
Oct '14

This could have all been averted had we just stopped flights from the stricken areas from coming here. I just don't understand why we didn't do that.

simo ✉
Oct '14

The flight that Patient Zero came in on flew out of Brussels, Belgium, not Liberia. Are they going to track the connecting flights of every international passenger who flies here? It would be far easier not to allow commercial planes to leave West Africa in the first place.

ianimal ✉
Oct '14

The people right out of school always get the crappy jobs that no one else wants to do. The experienced nurses have seniority. Plus it's not like *anyone* there had any experience dealing with an Ebola outbreak.

ianimal ✉
Oct '14

Never should have sent our troops in there, imo. What the heck can do?!?

LV Mom
Oct '14

Maybe people right out of school are more up to date and a better choice.

GC ✉
Oct '14

How did ObamaCare work it's way in here? That's just silly.

The nurse flew from Cleveland, not Africa. We have airport checking now for 80% of the potential incoming.

I fly with low grade fevers all the time; a percentage of people in any grocery store have them.....

However, I think patients have been left in public area, nurses have used "protection" that left body parts uncovered, etc. etc. etc. Our hospitals are basically local so each may do things differently. We need a national defense ASAP.

Other countries are even behind us and, of course, are not providing resources at the source to end the epidemic.

Most if not all the troops SHOULD BE away from the disease building medical centers, infrastructure, etc. And I am sure if they catch it, they will be home in a jiffy. However, if not part of a global effort, what the heck are we doing there going it alone?

Just saying that we will see more before we see less but we will get through this.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

simo-Maybe we should just sit on our hands and let the disease come to us? The longer we wait to try to stop it there, the worst it will be as time goes on. Get your head out of the sand.

Redwing
Oct '14

These cases demonstrate how badly prepared "we" all are - stupidly so in all cases.

Federal - CDC. Words fail me but I'm not surprised ever since they "misplaced" Anthrax. At this point, pull in a strong team of experts to get this contained and to lead some of the press conferences - perhaps a panel press conference approach.

Locally - Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital (plus others). WTH ... 1st - you release the infected patient; 2nd - your staff breaches protocol and you still don't know how; 3rd - you don't order a mandatory quarantine (it's 21 days not 21 months). Ebola is a contagion and every hospital needs to have a WORKING contagion plan in place.

Individuals - You can't voluntarily limit your interaction with the outside world for 21 days - seriously? You could have put off your flight for a few more weeks or in the case of Snyderman made your own soup/sandwich. Truly idiotic.

Bonv ✉
Oct '14

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/14/CIDRAP-Confirms-Ebola-Transmittable-by-Air

MEDICAL RESEARCH ORG CIDRAP: EBOLA TRANSMITTABLE BY AIR

The highly respected Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota just advised the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and World Health Organization (WHO) that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles,” including exhaled breath.
CIDRAP is warning that surgical facemasks do not prevent transmission of Ebola, and healthcare professionals (HCP) must immediately be outfitted with full-hooded protective gear and powered air-purifying respirators.
CIDRAP since 2001 has been a global leader in addressing public health preparedness regarding emerging infectious diseases and bio-security responses. CIDRAP’s opinion on Ebola virus is there are “No proven pre- or post-exposure treatment modalities;” “A high case-fatality rate;” and “Unclear modes of transmission.”

LV Mom
Oct '14

News this morning is that she was cleared by the CDC to fly. Should be interesting to see if this is true or not.

simo ✉
Oct '14

You forgot the IRS.

kb2755 ✉
Oct '14

pretty amazing how incompetently this was all handled... but it only goes to show how contagious the virus is and all it took was 1 infected person. still amazed that the woman was allowed on the plane. i'll be flying out of newark in a few weeks and it's a little unsettling. you would think the CDC and the hospital staff should know better. and you would think it's a good idea to stop incoming flights from africa... but our dear president still hasn't pulled the plug on that one. what good will it do to screen people coming off the planes??? they will be taking everyone's temperatures but isn't it a little too late at that point if they ID someone with a high fever?

Poppy Girl
Oct '14

BBU2 - and then this guy in street clothes with a clipboard will give signed by people in protective gear paperwork to someone else to process (enter info into PC) and he will continue to use his pen or someone else will take it from his table. People in US are so laid back and incautious. There is no need to panic but this behavior is really scary.

Lena ✉
Oct '14

Even Shephard Smith thinks you need to calm down:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/15/shepard-smith-ebola_n_5992510.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

MB ✉
Oct '14

Just in from The Onion...(sincere apologies if previously posted)

DALLAS—Following news of a second confirmed case of Ebola in the city, Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones assured local residents, as well as the nation at large, that AT&T Stadium is prepared to serve as the most spectacular Ebola quarantine center ever assembled. “Should a widespread outbreak occur, I am confident that Cowboys Stadium will be the most exciting and unforgettable triage unit in the history of modern medicine,” said Jones, confirming that all contaminated clothing will be properly incinerated in a jaw-dropping, 25-minute on-field fireworks show each night, and that patients will also be treated to a star-studded performance from a number of hazmat-suit-clad pop sensations. “Each of our 80,000 beds will have perfect sight lines to our state-of-the-art video board broadcasting live updates on the outside world, and of course we’ll also have several luxury wards available that will offer a full gourmet menu for those battling fatigue and blood loss. I look forward to showing the rest of the country that we do biohazard response just a little bit bigger down here in Texas.” Sources confirmed that parking spaces will remain at their current average price of $120.

yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

Old red - measles, whooping cough and UTIs don't have a **70% fatality rate,** last I checked.

Rebecka ✉
Oct '14

+1000 Simo

botheredbyuu2 ✉
Oct '14

I would like to know are they transporting the first nurse to be pro-active or is her condition deteriorating?

villani ✉
Oct '14

wow, usually I just acknowledge and move on when I see people who alter facts, make up facts, accept exaggerated facts - all to make a political point - but in this case, it is spreading unnecessary hysteria - you should be ashamed of yourself-

btw, the flu kills or contributes to the deaths of over 30,000 americans a year... Flu is airborne....

In testing and relatively soon to be available: an ebola blood test that works something like the diabetes test sticks do - a droplet of blood to be read - easy peasy...
will certainly be a big help in this now and in the future

Also in process, a vaccine (several are actually in or near testing)

Also available, the tried and true methods of containment that have worked over the past 40 years in the several outbreaks dealt with in Africa - this particular outbreak became epidemic because of economic and cultural issues - both which can be addressed

Real epidemic: national hysteria, stress, irrationality and politicization

rleaf ✉
Oct '14

LV Mom, you're right...bring back the administration that handled Katrina flawlessly...and found those pesky Weapons of Mass Destruction! You know, the administration that ignored all the intelligence leading up to 9/11. Mission Accomplished!

yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

+1 yankeefan

5catmom ✉
Oct '14

Yale student just back from Liberia admitted to hospital with Ebola symptoms. Ch 2 news at 5pm

botheredbyuu2 ✉
Oct '14

+1000 simo
(his 2nd post up, about the administration dropping the ball- heck NOT EVEN PICKING IT UP- and changing their story repeatedly. )

Also, "Heck, at this point I long for the Clinton Whitehouse"

Man, I never thought I would have the misfortune to agree with that statement, but....

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

Silent? The media is silent? Except that it's on every channel and print media, as well as most of the internet sites....promulgating panic raises ratings...you should know better...

yankeefan2014 ✉
Oct '14

Great, now the pres is sending over our National Guard. He already sent our troops. What's up with this?

auntiel ✉
Oct '14

Simo....the President is gone in two years. Cover? Why? Try watching PBS every night at 7:00. There is no other "news".

yankeefan2014 ✉
Oct '14

The only way to prevent the spread of ebola - which will reach us whether we block air travel from those countries or not is to contain it where it is now- I mean, think about it, if it is not contained, if we do not help to contain it, it will spread beyond the countries that it is presently in.. we WILL see people that are from those countries going to other countries for treatment and travel, who will then find ways or travel to this country - do you plan to block all travel from all other countries?... the "block all travel" people and those who would not help contain it where it stands, don't seem to be able to look forward. If we, instead, are able to register/regulate travel, we have a shot at monitoring and containing it so that it does NOT spread if it is here - so that we are aware of those who have entered.. and can keep monitoring. Over the past 40 years, there have been several outbreaks in countries in Africa, with the infrastructure and culture that enabled the outbreak to be contained and halted. Here, the infrastructure is not there, there are severe economic issues, and the healthcare system is feeling the cultural effects of the civil war... this has prevented what we KNOW will work from being implemented successfully... if we want to prevent ebola from spreading, from leaking throughout the world, then we MUST help to contain it.. please, when processing all the "catastrophizing" that keeps you watching the news shows, respond rather than react emotionally, that does nothing but further the misinformation/fear/hysteria/irrationality/politicization, etc.. which does nothing to help but adds to the crazy - and raises your blood pressure!

pmnsk ✉
Oct '14

Plane lands at JFK from Nigeria, passenger dies vomiting in his seat, CDC does "cursory" exam (on the plane), says "it's no ebola".

I don't know how they test for ebola, or if it's possible whatever they look for in a "cursory" exam could have changed (viruses not only mutate, but affect people slightly differently), but this sounds like careless work to me, and at this point, I'm beginning to think purposeful.

http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/ebola-alarm-sounded-after-vomiting-passenger-dies-on-flight-from-nigeria-to-jfk

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

Thank you Peter King !


Peter King demands answers on Nigerian’s death on plane, citing Ebola concerns


Rep. Peter King dashed off an urgent letter Thursday to the Department of Homeland Security and Border Protection demanding answers regarding a passenger that died Thursday on a flight from Nigeria to New York after vomiting in his seat, reported the New York Post.

The CDC performed a “cursory” exam and determined that the passenger had not died from Ebola, and the body was given to New York law enforcement for removal, the Post reported.

The passenger was reportedly a 63-year-old man who boarded the plan in Lagos, Nigeria, on Wednesday, the Post reported. According to recent account on BBC.com, Nigeria has been clear of the virus for close to the 42-day period required by the World Bank to declare the country Ebola-free.



Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/16/peter-king-demands-answers-on-nigerians-death-on-p/#ixzz3GPK56Eou
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

LV Mom
Oct '14

From the website Media Matters:

As Republicans seek to gain a partisan advantage by ginning up fear about the Ebola virus in preparation for the midterm election cycle, they're getting a major assist from the news media, which seems to be equally anxious to spread anxiety about the virus, and to implicate President Obama for the health scare. At times, Republicans, journalists, and commentators appear to be in complete sync as they market fear and kindle confusion. ("You could feel a shiver of panic coursing through the American body politic this week.")

The result is a frightening level of misinformation about Ebola and a deep lack of understanding of the virus by most Americans. Indeed, despite weeks of endless coverage, most news consumers still don't understand key facts about Ebola.

If the news media's job is to educate, and especially to clarify during times of steep public concerns, then the news media have utterly failed during the Ebola threat. And politically, that translates into a win for Republicans because it means there's fertile ground for their paranoia to grow. (Sen. Rand Paul: Ebola is "incredibly contagious.")

"They have all caught the Ebola bug and are now transmitting the fear it engenders to millions of Americans," lamented a recent Asbury Park (NJ) editorial, chastising the cable news channels. "It turns out that fear-mongering translates not only into dollars and cents for news-gathering organizations, but also allows talking heads to politicize the issue."

If Republicans want the media to remain relentlessly focused on the anxious Ebola storyline prior to Election Day, they're in luck. Last night, the homepage for the Washington Post featured at least 15 Ebola-related articles and columns. Already this week, the cable news channels have mentioned "Ebola" more than 4,000 times according to TVeyes.com; or roughly 700 on-air references each day. The unfolding crisis is undoubtedly a major news story, but so much of the coverage --particularly on cable news -- has been more focused on fearmongering than solid information. It's a drumbeat that eventually becomes synonymous with fear and uncertainty, which dovetails with GOP's preferred talking point this campaign season.

yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

media matters is Gorge Sorros's mouth piece, he funds them, and they are about attacking and denigrating anything that is conservative and/or republican, (just like olred does all the time and several others up here) George Sorros (the Hungarian billionaire) is on a mission to implement his personal agenda. His ultra-liberal views are SOP for media matters and colors everything they produce.

once again presenting opinion pieces from partisan billionaire funded sites such as "Media Matters" as if they were 'facts' is wrong. there are other more valid points to present/consider.

there are plenty of democrats who are raising the exact same concerns, are they paranoid?

the labels and name calling that goes on around here detracts from an intelligent conversation.

too bad that some are so polarized they would risk the security and health of the nation rather than deal with a valid threat honestly.

anyone going on a carnival cruise? they have to decontaminate the whole ship now that one of the monitored health care workers form dallas decided to take a cruise on the carnival line.

just unbelievable, really, the malfeasance coming from the CDC; "We can stop it in it's tracks" (CDC said said the other day), doesn't look like he knows what is going on, or care enough about it to make good his promise. "We can stop it in it's tracks", "We know what to do"

seriously? "We know how it spreads and how to stop it" seriously?? this administration has to walk their own talk. and they so far have not.

BrotherDog ✉
Oct '14

Mark - I should have said.....start stocking up on canned goods and *more* ammo. ;-)

Calico696 ✉
Oct '14

"seriously? "We know how it spreads and how to stop it" seriously?? this administration has to walk their own talk. and they so far have not." BrotherDog


Too bad every day a new oops pops up.

LV Mom
Oct '14

LOL. Yes, let's quote Media Matters. An unbiased reporting news outlet.

simo ✉
Oct '14

Calico- Mark beat me to it! LOL

No worries- there's an ebola czar now. It's under control. We're all safe now. Whew!

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

Old Gent,


He graduated summa cum laude from Georgetown University in 1983. In 1987, he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School,[5] where he was one of several to win the Sears Prize for the highest grade point average in 1984-85. While at Harvard Law School, Klain was also an editor of the Harvard Law Review.

Truthfully, this isn't about politics...it's about saving lives.

yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

Kermit even knows the score.

Calico696 ✉
Oct '14

What does a lawyer know about saving lives? At his level, all they know is politics. Besides, I thought this was all hype and hysteria... why do we need an Ebola czar if it's not a big deal?

Forgive me for being unrealistic, but I would feel much better if there were, oh, I don't know, maybe a DOCTOR, specifically an Epidemiologist in charge of the response...

ianimal ✉
Oct '14

"Truthfully, this isn't about politics...it's about saving lives."


I thought Ebola was a health issue, not a legal one (based on the "czar's" resume that you posted).

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

I don't understand ?

Is this the first time there was "Ebola?"

Why? Now? has it *Popped up* and become a festering issue, or as the obama administration says....a "Crisis" ... The whole bunch of chickens running around with their heads cut off are a "Crisis" in ITSELF !!!

It's a distraction in my opinion.... A distraction from all the other Crisis' Created during this administration, and the inability to even fix what they claim was Bushes fault or previous presidents fault (s).

So NOW we have a Czar ?? .... Oh Great! .... Now we could rest easy!...

Now maybe, the Obama Care could be re-named "Ebola Care"!

I would bet that someway down the line, there will be a vaccine developed by one of the Greedy Drug Manufacturers, and the Gov't will make it a Mandate that we be inoculated !! More Money for the Drug manufacturers!... Ooops! I forgot! Most people will get the Ebola Vaccine For Free! Obama Care will fix that.

I am so glad we have Obama Care now; to take care of us that are enrolled; if we should contract the Ebola Disease!!! Whew! What a relief!!

I cannot wait to get my Yellow T-Shirt with the words,"I SURVIVED EBOLA" on the front and back!!!..... LOL
I'll bet I would not have to wait in line at the check out?

Now all we need, is an ICON for the EBOLA Disease!!! .... ?? ?? ?? ....OH! DEAR!
What's the matter with me?? We already do have an Icon Figure!!
A Pic OF Obama dawning a Haz Mat Protective Gear suit-up! ... LOL...

Embryodad ✉
Oct '14

yankeefan, He is a smart lawyer who has dealt with Political problems. We have a medical problem not a legal problem. Everything that comes out of Washington has political overtone's.

Old Gent ✉
Oct '14

We need the guns and ammo to protect us from the looters when the widespread epidemic begins.

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

T.S. Eliot

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to my bunker. ;-)

Calico696 ✉
Oct '14

"Bunker" ??

i don't even know her !

BrotherDog ✉
Oct '14

"And look, the stock market is gyrating. Do you need to buy some more guns for that too "


Your first mistake is assuming I need *any* reason to buy more guns/ammo other than just finding something that's on sale.

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

I agree Mark, the only reason I have a gun is for me and my families protection. It's kinda like a cop caring a gun. He doesn't carry it to protect you or I. It's to protect himself. That's all. I don't have the pleasure of 24/7 armed guards like the elites do all the while telling me I don't have the same right to protect myself. I am no less of an American than they are. There's only two things they have that I don't, a lot of money and fame. Other than that we are all the same.

auntiel ✉
Oct '14

I rarely post stuff from HuffPost, but if EVEN THEY are "concerned"- we all should be...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abby-norman/im-a-hazmat-trained-hospi_b_5998486.html

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

I am just amazed that a discussion on Ebola can turn to guns, family protection, elites, apocalypse planning.

"I could wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
If......"

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

Sure. Anything to have a crisis big enough to declare martial law. If you think think the govt CARES about the LIVES of it's citizens, you have an awful lot of political exposure required ahead of you.

It's the only explanation as to why this has been handled to lackadaisically; either that, or pure ignorance and stupidity... and I guess with this current administration, that could be a distinct possibility.

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

AIDS typically requires a bit more than a sneeze to be contagious.

And it doesn't kill you in 2 weeks.

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

Don't panic. Lost a friend this week via a Motor Vehicle accident. More chances you will die that way than from Ebola, terrorism, plane crash, etc...

iJay ✉
Oct '14

Gadfly,

I certainly hope so.

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

AIDS vs. Ebola comparison. Is there a point to that?

And JR: no, it's crazy based on your conclusion of fact being based on a ridiculous assumption of pure conjecture.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

It is not just government incompetence - the spread in Texas was caused by staff and hospital incompetence. The others (doctor...) that have returned to the US have been well managed and most importantly the spread of the disease has been contained. Why did this hospital screw this up so badly?

Bonv ✉
Oct '14

"Ebola is not airborne but infected blood, saliva, feces is highly contagious (much more than AIDS)."


I'm sure they amped it up a bit for entertainment value, but there's plenty of saliva in a sneeze.

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/slow-motion-sneezes.htm

Hope you aren't standing too close.

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

My comparison was a result of Stan's comment/picture.

Or did you skip past that just to get a jab at me?

Yes, AIDS has killed more in gross numbers since, but it's less contagious and less fatal (percentage/time wise once contracted). The response from the government should be different.

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

How different is a million from a thousand Mark?

AIDS first appeared in US in mid 70's, so far world-wide 39,000,000 dead, 1,600,000 in 2012, 1,500,000 death rate. AIDS is not curable, but is survivable, however as the numbers show not survivable everywhere due to economics.

Ebola, first appeared in 1976, 6,600 dead worldwide so far, 50 in 2012, of the dead, 5,000 so far 2014 outbreak. Ebola is survivable. Ebola is containable. 50% survivability but ranges between 10% and 75% (wanna guess which side of the average the US will be on). There is no cure but at least 2 vaccines under evaluation. (Wanna guess where the real fear is starting from? can you say big pharma).

The comparison between aids and ebola is silly, so is Stan's chart. Sure, Reagan didn't even mention potential combating of AIDS until the mid 80's and that was bad, but you can't compare it to the ebola outbreak nor Obama's reaction.

Yes, Mark, ebola is much more contagious but only if you consider sneezing more possible than sex. Apparently the world does not. And ebola without a cure, has been contained since 1976 --- HIV/AIDS has not.

Just remember, when the vaccine comes out, DO NOT INNOCULATE YOUR KIDS. It's a government plot by a government, that according to some, does not care for its citizens. And don't drink the fluoride. And don't get flu shots. And don't bring those wet leaves into my living room.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

Gee, MG, when was the last time some stranger just randomly had sex with you on a bus, or you shared a needle against your will?

The method of transmission is different with ebola, so there needs to be a little more urgency to ensure the spread is contained.

In other words, the are things each of us could personally do (or not do) to mitigate the transmission of HIV/AIDS. We're at the mercy of the public health system and CDC controls to keep ebola in check.

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

Why doesn't Gov. Rick Perry have any responsibility for his own state?

Oh yeah, he was in Europe on a trip which he graciously cut short to return to Texas. Obama on the other hand, actually had the nerve to have a scheduled fund raiser, which he canceled. Really shows how one sided the Republicans are.

How long did it take for Perry to actually hold a press conference? A week after the second diagnosis?

Why is it that only the conservative state had any issues with handling Ebola?

Here's something to think about.
Maybe the Republicans didn't want to handle it. Maybe it was in their best interest to allow more people to get infected so they can lay blame on Obama and the Democrats. I hope there is an investigation why Texas wasn't prepared.

Fearless ✉
Oct '14

This post has jumped the shark. Good grief!

simo ✉
Oct '14

Hey JR,
Where in my post does it fault Bush? Please point it out.
Sorry to say my post doesn't fault Bush. You just spewed the typical Republican sounding cry.

I am faulting Rick Perry, you know the Texas governor, the one that was in Europe when all this happened. You do know the difference between Perry and Bush? I know they're both from Texas, so maybe you think they're the same.

Fearless ✉
Oct '14

So far I believe the new czar hasn't attended the 2 meetings that have been held since he was named. Of course one was late last night after the president finished his round of golf. Sorry couldn't help myself

simo ✉
Oct '14

How easy it is for us to get distracted into our little politicized world - "whose fault is it?" what a shame... really, isn't it most important to deal with today's issues, to focus on what will make this better, to learn the true facts and be rational rather than succumb to habitual finger pointing - hard to work together - even hear each other - when you are glued to the opposite sides of the room....

pmnsk ✉
Oct '14

Simo, do you have a source for your statement above about the Ebola Czar missing meetings? Or did you receive that information via the microchip the government implanted in your brain? (Which would have required spectacular micro-surgery).

yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

ObamaCare does not have insurance plans. Insurance companies do.

Yes, Obama played golf on Saturday, oh the horror of it all.

Then he held a meeting Saturday night ------ but did you give him credit for working Saturday night -----noooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

The Czar has not reported for work yet, hard to attend meetings when you haven't started work yet.

I think you do have the micro chip in if this is the level of scrutiny you are giving for the few cases of ebola discovered in the US, most of which came from outside the US.

Did you work on Saturday Simo, how many hours?

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

Oh things must be getting bad. The claws are coming out. My source was the Whitehouse press pool reporter Dan Friedman from the NY Daily News. Not exactly a conservative rag. Hope he starts to report to work soon though.. Oh and by the way MG I do work on Saturdays. 8:30 to 5:00. And very often on Sundays. But keep the insults coming. That's what you seem to do best.

simo ✉
Oct '14

But do you work Monday through Friday as well? Because last time I checked the President is on call 24 x7; are you?

What insults? I hear thin skin makes for easier chip surgery.

I just think ragging on a guy for playing golf on a Saturday while having a meeting Saturday night seems a little tense. And ragging on a guy for not reporting to work before he has even started the job is pretty picayune.

It's not like the President is stopping the Tea Party House in Congress from busily going about their important business of doing nothing.

I mean do we have an epidemic? Is there a pandemic? Is there even an outbreak? Did it get worse now that the President played some golf?

Beyond ragging, what is really your concern with the man playing golf?

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

Ouch Ouch simo......

outsider ✉
Oct '14

Darn.... now that pesky Andrea Mitchell wants to know when the ebola czar is going to start working. I guess MSNBC is starting to loose it's tingle.

Adios! Just practicing my Spanish lingo so when the president, by executive order, signs a law allowing all undocumented workers into the country I'll be able to speak the language.

simo ✉
Oct '14

From Wikipedia:

The Simo society is a secret society in West Africa (esp. Ghana, Mali, Sierra Leone) also described as a "masked cult".[1] It hails, according to a UNESCO report, from among either the Temne people or the Baga people at the time of the Mali Empire.[2] The Susu people's political organization "assigned an important role to the Simo initiation society", and it "dominated" the organization of the Baga and the Landuma people.[3] Initiation and other rites included masks, and of particular importance were fertility rites.[4] The Simo were also one of many secret "cultic groups" (whose priests "possessed immense knowledge of herbs and roots") that practiced medicine to cure specific ailments.[5]

:)

yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

a few facts to help the hysteria

5catmom ✉
Oct '14

Someone has their undies in knot. And the same old same old personal attacks. Yankeefan you are so easy and predictable. Agree outsider, it is entertaining!!

Adios!

simo ✉
Oct '14

in the past there was no profit in finding a cure for Ebola. Drug companies weren't going to invest in a cure if the ones effected couldn't afford it. Now that Europe and the US starting to see the first cases of Ebola hitting their shores it is now profitable to find a cure.

darwin ✉
Oct '14

....

MB ✉
Oct '14

There's not much about Ebola that's funny, but the complete role reversal out of the two HL camps is amusing.

When the pro-gunners pointed out in the past how much more likely you were to die of a million other things than a maniac with a gun in some mass shooting, the anti-gunners dismissed it as faulty debate tactics...,. yet, some of these same people are now pointing how many other things you are more likely to die of than Ebola. I just find it humorous...

ianimal ✉
Oct '14

" In order to be compared to the other "camp" we'd simply be suggesting that airports hang "Ebola Free Zone" signs and ban sneezing."


Mark, you are king of the analogy!!

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

Yet the gunnies have been consistent in their response to the Ebola "outbreak" of less than half a dozen people as being to stock up on bullets and beer. Amusing but deadly.

But I do like the thought that we don't need to encourage gun control because death by gun is "willful." Funny analogy indeed.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

"Do we need "good guys with Ebola" to stop "bad guys with Ebola"?"


Isn't that kind of how vaccines work?

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

There you go again, Inominal, stirring the pot...another slow day in the office? And no surprise J Rep and Marky Mark are eager to jump in. In 2012, FBI statistics identified 8,855 firearm related homicides in the US. WHO statistics identify 4000 deaths from Ebola in 2014. Both are epidemics...both require action. Only one of the two, however, require intent.

yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

Oh boy.....

Somehow when a child kills, especially another child, I don't see "intent," a "willful" action (they're just kids), or the second amendment in play. And our "real controls" don't hold any person accountable ----- just a terrible accident.

Until we surpass 10,000 dead per year, maybe we should use the gunnie's remedy and just let it alone: Ebola, just use the current laws to stop. No need for airport testing, we don't need no background checks, that's an infringement of our rights. And don't register any sickies, another infringement. And whatever you do, don't computerize any electronic data systems to be able to trace any sick people ---- paper files, email, and telephones will be enough.

Yeah, I just love a good analogy.

And t h e y r ' e o f f.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

Your analogy is faulty, because you do not have a constitutionally-protected right to base it on. As you like to say, apples vs kumquats.

BTW- that heavy gun control is working great in Canada. (shooting INSIDE the parliament building, turn on the news...)

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/canadian-parliament-shooting/watch-live-soldier-killed-ottawa-attack-n231506

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

Two separate paragraphs, two separate thoughts, the only comingling was in you mind, you dirty boy.

One shooting and gun control fails. Brilliant. All the analogies were faulty, that was the point oh yea who miss the subtleties of life.

Uh, the major gun homicide declines occurred during the Clinton years; yea gun controls. Gunnies like to cherry-pick data........

They're rounding the first curve.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

Yankeefan, what are your sources?

simo ✉
Oct '14

" it becomes clear that firearm ownership contributes to America's murder problem"

You might be surprised to learn that it also contributed to America's founding, and is one of the cornerstones of our individual liberties, as intended by the founders. Go ahead- time to put your blinders on now.

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

And you might be astonished to learn it's 2014.

yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

So, to get back to health/virus concerns... The likelihood of ebola becoming a genuine epidemic concern here in the US is miniscule.. Every year between 3000 - 30,000 people in the US die from the flu and flu complications (varies greatly by year and by how it's defined). THIS is something we can have some impact on - you and yours may be healthy and getting the flu might seem a risk you are willing to take - but how do you think those who are medically compromised get the flu in the first place? - because it is spread far more easily than ebola. Those with the flu put themselves and others at risk - a cough, a sneeze, a germ-y hand opening a door - pass it on to your grandparents, the baby next door, the child sitting next to yours in school who has asthma - and even kids who are healthy can die from complications to the flu. I really do not understand those who refuse to get vaccinated. Raise the alarm about ebola, criticize those who "aren't taking it seriously" or who aren't "doing there job to contain it" yet do you get a flu shot? do you reduce the virus with far-more-deadly (by numbers) impact - that we KNOW will make the rounds and put people at risk?

pmnsk ✉
Oct '14

"Real epidemic: national hysteria, stress, irrationality and politicization"

I vote this best comment of the year.

Justintime ✉
Oct '14

All created by the Whitehouse!

simo ✉
Oct '14

And now back to our regularly scheduled program..

Some good news.



http://news.yahoo.com/nurse-amber-vinson-free-of-ebola-virus-family-says-001502702.html

Nurse Amber Vinson free of Ebola virus, family says


DALLAS — Barely a week after being diagnosed with Ebola, Texas nurse Amber Vinson is free of the deadly virus, her family said on Wednesday night.

“We are overjoyed to announce that, as of [Tuesday] evening, officials at Emory University Hospital and the Centers for Disease Control are no longer able to detect virus in her body,” read a statement from a family spokesperson.

LV Mom
Oct '14

Person in NY taken to Bellevue hospital with signs of Ebola. Just returned from W, Africa.

botheredbyuu2 ✉
Oct '14

Should be a mandatory quarantined period for them, fever or not when they get to the airport.

botheredbyuu2 ✉
Oct '14

What bothers me the most is how inconsiderate these doctors are of how their actions effect everyone else.


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/doctor-treated-ebola-patients-rushed-bellevue-fever-article-1.1984941


Doctor rushed to Bellevue Hospital with Ebola symptoms went bowling a day earlier: sources
Spencer was at The Gutter on N. 14th St. and Brooklyn Bowl on Wythe Ave. on Wednesday, sources said.

When a reporter went by The Gutter on Thursday, it was closed and a promoter said the bar area, where a concert was supposed to be held, wasn't opening due to "unforeseen circumstances."

Brooklyn Bowl, on its Facebook page, said it had not been contacted by authorities.

"We are aware of the reports that an individual who may possibly be infected with Ebola attended an event in Williamsburg last night,” it read.

LV Mom
Oct '14

"They are reporting that the doctor in NYC is positive."


C'mon Fearless, I'm curious how you'll pin this one on Rick Perry.

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

He felt sluggish on Tuesday, but still decided it was a good idea to go to a crowded bowling alley/concert hall on Wednesday.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/nyregion/craig-spencer-is-tested-for-ebola-virus-at-bellevue-hospital-in-new-york-city.html?_r=

Dr. Spencer began to feel sluggish on Tuesday but did not develop a fever until Thursday morning, he told the authorities. At 11 a.m., the doctor found that he had a 103-degree temperature and alerted the staff of Doctors Without Borders, according to the official.

LV Mom
Oct '14

Short memory , Fearless? Hope that's not a symptom of ebola.

Perhaps scroll up to 4 days ago where you said, among other things:

"I am faulting Rick Perry, you know the Texas governor, the one that was in Europe when all this happened."

You then continued to blast Republicans across the board. Guess your precious Democrats will get their chance now, although allowing a doctor who was known to be in Africa specifically to work with ebola patients to return through the NYC metro airports without any precautions doesn't bode well for their success.

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

Oh, and since you also mentioned the mayor (De Blasio) having influence over how this is handled, let's not forget that the mayor of Dallas is a Democrat as well.

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

When talking Ebola NYC, not sure where Perry, De Blasio, Obama, Democrats or Republicans really has much value except to spread fear and hate by armchair quarterbacks. The comparisons between party handling of catastrophes seems both premature and imprudent at this time.

This guy reported fatigue a few days ago, went for a three mile jog, took his temperature twice a day and reported in at 100.3 degrees, not 103 as reported. Sure, seems risky to go bowling via subway, but apparently we are still learning. The level of this breach seems tame compared to the airline flight by the nurse.

The Ebolla war is not being waged in NYC, the front line is in Africa and the concept of pulling everyone out from the front line is ridiculous. If we don't turn it around there, what results may be unstoppable.

Sure, I would gather we need to modify our protocols for returning workers with direct contact, but not sure we need to be hysteric again, at this point, and certainly it's early to judge how effective or ineffective either Democrats or Republicans have been on the issue.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

NYC Health Commissioner saying to quarantine doctors, nurses, anyone that worked with Ebola patients in W.Africa, as soon as they arrive in the US as a precaution, is something they are looking into. WTF! To me, that's a NO BRAINER! Cant believe the incompetence with controlling this disease. Again, JMO

Dr Spencer did great work in W. Africa. Wishing him the best and a speedy recovery.

botheredbyuu2 ✉
Oct '14

Fearless, you misunderstand me. I don't care if you *are* biased, but don't try to pretend that you're not. You still haven't answered my question, either. If you are so "independent" why did you single out Scott Garret as an example of long terms but fail to mention, at the very least, Bob Menendez who has been in NJ politics even longer than Garrett (by about 6 years)? Neither has anything to do with ebola (yet) but YOU brought it up and only mentioned the R.

I have no problem admitting that, for some of the issues important to me, I don't trust 99.9% of the Democrats as far as I can throw them. There are some Republicans on that list too (you may think I'm a big fan of Christie, but I certainly can't throw him very far).


"Does your hatred for liberals and democrats come from your perception that they want to take away your guns an ammo and repeal the 2nd amendment?"

My *perception*? You mean my *observation of facts*? Look at the states with the most restrictions on guns, and least respect for the 2nd Amendment and it is a guarantee that they lean heavily Democrat. If it walks like a duck...


As far as background checks, you may want to read through some of my old comments. Background checks, by themselves, are not the largest concern (ignoring for the moment how effective they may or may not be). That's IF a background check is a simple GO/NO GO comparison against a list of prohibited persons. A list that should only contain convicted violent felons and anyone involuntarily commited as a danger to themselves or others. You know, due process and all. It shouldn't be reviews of Facebook accounts (that's happening in NY) or employer permissions, etc. The PROBLEM with background checks is they are always tied tightly to recording of make/model/serial number or they allow discretion of law enforcement, as opposed to simply comparing against the list.


"Let me know some examples of where democrats have used fear as a tool? I'm open to you pointing them out."

Have you been sleeping since 2012? The liberals and their astroturf organizations (led by Hizzoner Bloomberg) would have you believe that there's a gun behind every tree with the sniper scope aimed at your children, despite the fact that 99.99% of guns in private hands are involved in ZERO crime.

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

Darrin +1 dude

Mark with the half naked man picture that states: "Know Thyself." No double entendre there, you kinky boy.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

Socrates was a pederast... just saying (-;

ianimal ✉
Oct '14

"Socrates was a pederast... just saying (-;"


Along with a whole bunch of other Greeks during that time (and Italians and Japanese later on). Guess we may as well throw out everything they ever invented or wrote.

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

I do own it. I don't think I ever said I hated guns. You made it up. And then you said it again without backing it up. Apparently because it anyone disagrees about different aspects of US current gun policy, it must be true.

I am not against the second amendment. I do think we can improve background checks, duh, make them universal. I do think mental health tracking should be universal also. Currently five states are in-state only. 12 states do not report. The level of reporting and the time required to report vary widely. I do believe that when a gun is found that has been used in a crime that our tracking system should be better than paper forms, file cabinets, email and telephones. First the gun is traced to the manufacturer, then the distributor, then the distributor goes to the file cabinet. This takes an average of a week and can take months. Millions of records are dumped on ATF when dealers go out of business including the water logged ones after Katrina and Sandy.

And I believe LCMs should be capped at 10 bullets; that's the only ban I hope for and that is not a gun ban.

Oh yeah. I also believe that there is hardly any case where a kid shoots another person that the gun owner is not negligent. Especially when they shoot other kids. Today, when this happens, current laws and levels of enforcement let far too many of these idiots walk. I believe we need specific gun negligence laws to punish those who leave guns available for kids to shoot others with.

As to whether I am a gun owner, whether I hunt, that has nothing to do with my beliefs. You can ask but given the vitriolic rhetoric of a number on the site I will say that it none of your business.`

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

here it is thru Howie Mandel's eyes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7zgxBMzYow&feature=youtu.be

5catmom ✉
Oct '14

I am so over the nurse quarantined in NJ -- her whining interviews/emails were obnoxious and now she is planning to sue the State. She must be such a joy to deal with, I feel sorry for the nurses and doctors having to treat her.

Bonv ✉
Oct '14

I couldn't agree more Bonv.

simo ✉
Oct '14

classic case of someone who doesn't give a s*** about anyone but themselves

Darrin ✉
Oct '14

She tested negative twice. At least we all know that everyone on the airplane is safe along with everyone else she's been in contact with on her back to Newark.

Let Maine deal with the whiny b.....

I'm pretty sure other health care workers from West Africa will be flying elsewhere.

LV Mom
Oct '14

This forum is on its 9th venting thread (which currently has almost 450 posts). If there is a classic case of whining, it's the people on this forum. A nurse, who has been detained with no scientific evidence supporting the need to, wanting to be released is hardly a whiner.

Almost 20K people have been killed in the last two years due to alcohol related car accidents. Not all of them were the drunks - a large portion were innocent victims. Perhaps we should detain every single person walking out of an alcohol-serving establishment for 5 hours regardless of whether they blow the legal limit or not. You all wouldn't have a problem with that, would you? It's for public safety, correct? Remember, no whining allowed.

emaxxman ✉
Oct '14

She tested negative twice. 30+ years of science is telling us that she doesn't have it. What more proof do you need? Considering you're so high on government not infringing on personal rights when facts don't support it, I'm surprised you're trying to justify this at all. Then again, no one really cares about specific rights unless it impacts us directly.

I don't want ebola anymore than the next person but it's the same BS fear-mongering in this thread that we see in so many other threads.

emaxxman ✉
Oct '14

they will quarantine her for 21 days but won't do a thing about all the illegals here that don't belong in this country....how many diseases are they bringing into our country without being screened....

tunnel rat ✉
Oct '14

Sure we have provisions in the law to allow for temporary detainment due to probable. However, said detainment is over when innocence is proven. Testing negative twice is sufficient proof of innocence, no? The additional quarantine is nothing more than a fear-based response...much like the knee jerk reactions to gun control that you hate so much.

And that same piece of paper that prevents the government from taking away your gun rights is the same that prohibits the government from unreasonably detaining you.

emaxxman ✉
Oct '14

emaxxman - You are so right. And what kind of person is it that calls someone a "whiny b...." for standing up for their rights? If speaking out about your rights is classified as being a "whiny b...." then clearly these forums are full of "whiny b.....s".

Worldwide, to date, about 4500 people have died of Ebola - and only 1 of those in the U.S. On the other hand 32,850 people died on America's roadways last year. Do we see people being afraid to drive, or trying to ban automobiles? Of course not! But irrational fear seems to drive people to extremes when it comes to Ebola.

RAD ✉
Oct '14

"But irrational fear seems to drive people to extremes when it comes to Ebola."

...and many other issues, even those dealing with constitutionally-recognized, inherent, rights.

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

it's the government and media's job to keep the population in constant fear..........

tunnel rat ✉
Oct '14

It is not an irrational fear to impose a mandatory quarantine for anyone exposed to Ebola (you could extend this to anyone travelling in from one of the regions ....). It is a very conservative approach for an extremely deadly and evolving disease. Now if these so-called professionals could self-quarantine then it would be less of an issue but Spencer, Snyderman et al have demonstrated that they will not do this.

This particular nurse has alienated people with her attitude and her know it all attitude. Let's face it the guidance is changing (as per the CDC) so her "knowledge" is not absolute.

Bonv ✉
Oct '14

"If doctors can prove that the conditions are satisfied by either a 21-day quarantine or a certain number of negative tests, then that would be the same as proving your innocence through evidence (or the state's lack of evidence)."

So the doctors are saying she's not infected or contagious and yet we're still debating the validity of keeping her quarantined with some even go so far as calling her a whiny bitch.

emaxxman ✉
Oct '14

Man, it sucks to volunteer any more.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

Part of an article posted by Dylan Stableford...

Ebola survivor Rick Sacra, an American doctor infected in Liberia and treated last month in the United States, says the 21-day mandatory quarantine on returning health care workers imposed by New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie on Friday is unnecessary for those not showing symptoms and creates the feeling of a "police state."

"I'm sure it's effective, but it's more than what's needed medically," Sacra said on the "Today" show Monday. "We know that individuals who do not have symptoms cannot transmit the virus."

Sacra, a 52-year-old American aid worker who has spent much of the last two decades working in Liberia, said returning doctors should be treated as heroes — and not infectious-disease carriers.

"We should view [Ebola doctors] the same way we view firefighters and police officers — people who are putting themselves in harm's way to make a difference," Sacra said. "When you welcome that kind of person back from their service with a 21-day quarantine, that kind of puts a big burden on them. It's going to reduce the ability of our nation to fully take part in the global response to Ebola."

yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

Speaking of, I mean to DUM..... There are no direct flights from the hot spots, never have been........

They have to use passport info to determine where folks have been unless they self-announce I think. Everyone leaving the hot spot has to go somewhere else before they come here.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/politics/soldiers-monitored-ebola/index.html

Army major general, troops quarantined after Ebola aid trip

(CNN) -- Army Major General Darryl A. Williams, commander of U.S. Army Africa, and approximately 10 other personnel are now in "controlled monitoring" in Italy after returning there from West Africa over the weekend, according to multiple U.S. military officials.
The American personnel are effectively under quarantine, but Pentagon officials declined to use that terminology.
Williams' plane was met on the ground by Italian authorities "in full CDC gear," the official said, referring to the type of protective equipment worn by U.S. health care workers.
There is no indication at this time any of the team have symptoms of Ebola.

LV Mom
Oct '14

In stark contrast to the whining of the nurse, American troops maintain high morale even in a mandatory quarantine period.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/28/politics/starr-ebola-general-interview/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

"Whining" ..."Bitch".... would you use those terms to describe a man?

Yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

Nobody "forced" the soldiers to join the army, just like nobody "forced" the nurse to go to Africa.

It's just the mindset of actually sacrificing personal feelings for public service, without being whiny about the consequences.

Mark Mc. ✉
Oct '14

Ok, pretend to be oblivious to blatantly different legal and practical circumstances.

Gadfly ✉
Oct '14

"Whining" ..."Bitch".... would you use those terms to describe a man?
Yankeefan

Definitely. Have anyone in mind?

LV Mom
Oct '14

Ok, pretend to be oblivious to blatantly different legal and practical circumstances.
Gadfly

As if deadly viruses know the difference? Are you for real?

LV Mom
Oct '14

Just heard this on the News..... (Fox) 12:15 AM 29 Oct.

They want to bring infected Ebola Care workers to the U S for better medical care.

N I C E !!! ..... Huh?

Embryodad ✉
Oct '14

Now that's obamacare. Either our president is a total idiot or he hates America.... or both.

LV Mom
Oct '14

Now I have Gadfly to entertain me as well as yankeefan....always need a good laugh!

outsider ✉
Oct '14

I'll say it again, what a b....


http://7online.com/health/kaci-hickox-prepared-to-go-to-court-nurse-under-voluntary-quarantine/367211/

MAINE PREPARED TO ENFORCE 'VOLUNTARY' QUARANTINE

She told GMA host George Stephanopoulos in an interview Wednesday morning that if the state of Maine does not remove restrictions on her by Thursday morning, "I will go to court to obtain my freedom."

LV Mom
Oct '14

Quarantined Ebola Nurse, Kaci Hickox is a card carrying Progressive and CDC EIS Officer.

Kaci’s LinkedIn account has suddenly been expunged (see attached screenshot)

Kaci Hickox’s ties to the CDC were not disclosed in a controversial anti-quarantine column she wrote for the Dallas Morning News. The CDC opposes quarantines or travel bans from Ebola infected countries.

Initially turned down for Doctors Without Borders, Hickox applied for a position with the Centers for Disease Control’s infectious disease unit. She received that position and began a two-year fellowship in Las Vegas, NV where she currently still works.

The Ebola nurse who attacked Governor Christie for putting her in quarantine after returning from Africa is a Progressive with ties to the CDC.

Her LinkedIn profile was scrubbed this weekend.

Kaci Hickox, the nurse who was quarantined in New Jersey over her high risk status as a possible Ebola carrier, has ties to the CDC which have been deliberately hidden by the mainstream media.

Right now, a war is waging between states like New Jersey, New York and Illinois — which have all decided to quarantine travelers at high risk of Ebola infections — and the federal government which is adamantly opposed to border security, medical quarantines and travel bans.

Kaci Hickox emerged in the center of this debate just yesterday when she complained of being “interrogated” and held in violation of her civil rights. Kaci’s LinkedIn.com profile, which described her links to the CDC, was scrubbed from the web earlier today, and even Google cache has strangely been cleared of her profile which previously detailed her ties to the CDC.

The now-famous DallasNews.com article which published Hickox’s complaints failed to mention the nurse’s ties to the CDC.

It turns out that Kaci Hickox is a registered democrat and Obama supporter who works for the CDC. “The nurse currently quarantined in New Jersey is an employee for the Centers for Disease Control and a registered Democrat with a history of left-wing advocacy,” reports GotNews.com.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/breaking-ebola-nurses-ties-to-cdc-scrubbed-from-website-is-far-left-progressive-obama-supporter/

BrotherDog ✉
Oct '14

OMgoodness Dogster, once again you choose not to really read the crud you dare to post.

First, is there any actual evidence that Kaci is a leftist, much less a card carrying version (whatever that hate-speak actually means). And, if so, SO WHAT.

Second, according to the Times, she actually worked for Doctors without Borders, so what do they mean, "turned down?"

Third, she is in a paid post doctoral two year training program for the CDC. SO WHAT? She's smart, accredited, and chasing further education while helping others. THAT'S WRONG IN YOUR BOOK?

Fourth: The CDC opposes quarantines: SO WHAT?

And finally, so her electronic accounts are down. Does that make her guilty of something or are you just vexed because it limits your venting space?

I mean you can have the opinion that she should have stayed in Christie's plastic bubble instead of backing down the big man for human accommodations, you can have the opinion that she should stay home and shut up in Maine. But she has the opinion that following CDC recommendations is sufficient and is expressing herself in the American way, the courts, to do so. That's her right whether you agree or not.

But to print those lies and trash you do just because five rabid bloggist's copied each other therefore it's true, is horse hockey. Even if any of it is true, SO WHAT?

When a bunch of Bundy bubba's stand a hill waving guns, yelling second amendment to protect a guilty, convicted thief, that's OK by you. But when a doctor-in-training willing to fight Ebola fights to follow CDC versus Chris Christie's guidelines, stop the buses, it's clobbering time. Let's roll out the lies.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

I think it's funny how the doctor that volunteered to go to east Africa to live in third world conditions and care for the poorest of people, while they are plagued by a terrifying disease, is repeatedly called "selfish" by people typing on their laptops, sitting on their couches, in front of their flat screen TVs in suburban New Jersey.

Gadfly ✉
Oct '14

And you don't do the same gladfly. Cut me a break.

simo ✉
Oct '14

"So many people willing to restrict someone else's freedom."

Aren't there just? In many different ways....

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

Maybe we need to institute "contagious disease control" laws... you know, for the children. Because I'm so tired of asking How Many More?

After all, the disease YOU *might* carry COULD *possibly* kill others.... ALOT of others..... riiiiiiight?

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

OK, maybe "selfish", at least after he got home, DOES fit the bill.....


The city’s first Ebola patient initially lied to authorities about his travels around the city following his return from treating disease victims in Africa, law-enforcement sources said.
Dr. Craig Spencer at first told officials that he isolated himself in his Harlem apartment — and didn’t admit he rode the subways, dined out and went bowling until cops looked at his MetroCard the sources said.

“He told the authorities that he self-quarantined. Detectives then reviewed his credit-card statement and MetroCard and found that he went over here, over there, up and down and all around,” a source said.

Spencer finally ’fessed up when a cop “got on the phone and had to relay questions to him through the Health Department,” a source said.

Officials then retraced Spencer’s steps, which included dining at The Meatball Shop in Greenwich Village and bowling at The Gutter in Brooklyn.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/ebola-doctor-lied-about-his-nyc-travels-police/

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

I agree bbu. I read a couple of posts by people claiming to know her personally, saying she is an attention seeker and a drama queen...not my words, but I it sure looks that way.

LV Mom
Oct '14

Oh Simo, I don't call that many names, sarcasm and wise-ass maybe, but names, not that many. But you not only caught me, but you are fairly immune from doing it. Hats off and as much as I hate to say it given the Bundy experience, I apologize for the name calling, it was not needed (oh man, that hurts).

Meanwhile, this whole Hickox thing is out of hand. I mean she has the right to her opinion, the right to hate life in Christie's plastic bubble, and legal redress Media camp outs on the lawn, but bike rides with the boy friend seems like pouring gas on the fire. Saying she plans drives (like where can she go that does not mean seeing others?) Maine looking to see if it can arrest. Police camping out, following her (as well the media).

It is now called Quarantine Stand-off and it is out of hand by ALL SIDES.

Enough already from all sides.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

Maybe it's me, but I'm having a hard time understanding her argument that she shouldn't be quarantined because "she doesn't have any symptoms"... everyone who is quarantined would need to be asymptomatic, no?

Because, if one HAD symptoms, one would be GETTING TREATMENT and NOT be "quarantined" at that time, either. So when exactly does she feel that a proper time to quarantine people would be, if not before they start to show symptoms?

ianimal ✉
Oct '14

all the 'blue' web sites and NBC, CBS etc. are telling the entrenched demoncrats that 30 years of science can't be wrong.

really ?

she's a very whiny lib who works for the CDC and promotes liberally progressive issues, that's who she is . . . .

she could care less if she infects her home town with ebola, doesn't care a whit about her neighbors or her town, or her state, it's all about her,

BrotherDog ✉
Oct '14

+1 RAD

5catmom ✉
Oct '14

Supposedly, you can have the fever and not be infectious; it's only when full blown that it's dangerous. So, the "theory" is that you can monitor twice a day, detect a low grade fever, and get to hospital/quarantine in time. Thus the ebowling DR supposedly did not place folks at risk.

That's the theory.

I think the reality is that given Christie's plastic bubble or fight; I would take fight too. But having "won" my quasi freedom, I think I would have hunkered down at least until the press got tired. She's just waving a red flag at the bulls....

She should have gone to Italy, stayed in the Army quarantine, and enjoyed the company of comrades in arms, good food, TV, internet, etc. I am guessing their digs are a lot better than Christie's plastic bag. Of course now the Italians are balking but it looks pretty nice.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

One silver lining of this whole ordeal............ I haven't heard or read anything on here about the evil Muslims in at least two weeks, lol.

ianimal ✉
Oct '14

"That's the theory."

Correct- THEORY. And therein lies the ENTIRE issue.

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

+100 Metsman, couldn't agree more

Darrin ✉
Oct '14

"Your fear trumps her rights. "

Gee, what OTHER issue is a BLATANT example of this? Hmm...???

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

I wonder if all the anti-quarantine advocates would feel comfortable if she went to your child's school to give a talk to the kids?

Redwing
Oct '14

"Your fear trumps her rights. " - RAD

"Gee, what OTHER issue is a BLATANT example of this? Hmm...???" - JR

Amazing, isn't it JR? Makes me chuckle.

Calico696 ✉
Oct '14

RAD if the caregivers here are following the correct protocol in treating ebola patients here, then no... they shouldn't be quarantined because that protocol has been tested and proven. We have no clue what kind of gear this nurse used in Africa or what exposure she had.

Metsman ✉
Oct '14

Again I ask, why are we putting our soldiers under quarantine and not a civilian nurse? Try and bring an animal in from Africa and it's put under quarantine for 60 days. No clear protocol's have added to the hysteria. All though MG if you were one of the active cases you may have a different point of view.

simo ✉
Oct '14

She's "one of them". An "elite". She WORKS FOR THE GOVERNMENT. Rules and laws don;t apply to her, she is in the ruling class. She's royalty. OF WITH OUR HEADS!!!

JeffersonRepub ✉
Oct '14

with all the billions of dollars our government wastes giving it to other countries..why don't they just build a brand new modern hospital in liberia so they can treat everyone right where the problem is..the people and drs. from abroad..i'm sure that country will use it forever..

tunnel rat ✉
Oct '14

so the whiny lib is actually an employee of the CDC and a white house visitor is her lawyer. and the progressives are still denying that 'there is no there there'

CDC doesn't like governors instituting quarantines, and the govenor up in maine is up for re-election and is a tea party member, so the white house (and the MSM) really have it in for him, and they viscously attack chris christe on general principals 'just because '. . . . , i notice that the lib governor 'let's melt all the guns down' mario cumo gets a pass though, why is that exactly? (if you guessed liberal bias in the media, you'd be right)

nope, nothing to see here !!! (r u kidding me?)

CDC has changed it's operational protocols almost every week for the last couple of months now, and this is after the head of the CDC was pimped out in all the media outlets trumpeting the white house line to appease the masses: "We know how to stop it in it's tracks"

looks like the government really doesn't know how to stop it in it's tracks, because the NY doctor lied about his self-monitoring and his movements, and the two nurses in Texas actually caught it.

i think that our new political spin ebola czar appointee has finally made his presence felt here, i guess we can rescind the missing persons report that was filed on him, his own family hasn't even seen him, where is he? (ignore that man behind the curtain)

this whole thing has the stank of white house spin on it, give me a break already.

BrotherDog ✉
Oct '14

Thank you BrotherDog. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.....It's a duck

simo ✉
Oct '14

When it isn't politics or a leftist agenda, BD sees creepy clowns around every corner. Possibly Jimson Weed?

yankeefan ✉
Oct '14

Ebola can't be aerosolized?

Don't tell that to these monkeys...wait till winter hits. Africa is hot and sunlight kills the virus what happens this winter with cold temperatures and limited sunlight in say the NE?

"Lethal experimental infections of rhesus monkeys by aerosolized Ebola virus."

"The potential of aerogenic infection by Ebola virus was established by using a head-only exposure aerosol system. Virus-containing droplets of 0.8-1.2 microns were generated and administered into the respiratory tract of rhesus monkeys via inhalation. Inhalation of viral doses as low as 400 plaque-forming units of virus caused a rapidly fatal disease in 4-5 days. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1997182/

RU ✉
Oct '14

It's sad that HL-ers keep posting this crap apparently without even reading with a semi-critical eye. I am no rocket scientist, but when the title says: "CDC Warning: Immigrant Children Could Be Spreading This New Mystery Virus In Public Schools," the BS radars turns on immediately. If it reads like yellow journalism, it's probably worse.

First, EV-D68 is no mystery and it was first identified in California 1962. There is nationwide outbreak this year, partly due to better/faster identification via a new CDC test. Why a mystery is beyond belief, the test is simple and fast and will be done shortly. EV-D68, like a cold, has a season and will be in decline by late Fall. Usually people don't die; this year nine have died BUT whether by EV-D68 is still being tested by CDC. It's a cold people, a really bad cold.

Now the mystery is whether these other nine folks with paralysis have EV-D68 or something else. But that's of no important to the author, let's talk EV-D68 and link that to illegal alien children who come from EV-D68 epidemic regions.... Using their own link from the article to search for the answer to the mystery of nine people with an unknown disease being EV-D68 maybe and, if EV-D68 that it probably comes from EV-D68 ravaged countries delivered by illegal alien children, aha the answer: "Among HEVs, coxsackieviruses, both A and B, were the most predominant. We also identified low numbers of EV-D68" They're talking the countries the author mentions and EV-D68 ridden. Turns out EV-D68 is worldwide, like a cold, but South America probably ranks lowest of any Continent.

So read on about all the other crap that flows down hill from the fear and loathing lies delivered even before the testing is complete to even say it's EV-D68, linked to illegal aliens from countries where the unlinked, untested disease barely exists, to all the other wacko conclusions drawn from these fabricated ascertains. Proof positive of what slides downhill.

Can't we have a penalty box for people who post this........stuff.

So tell me I am wrong RU, or maybe we should just go Christie on you.

mistergoogle ✉
Oct '14

Dr. Rick Sacra, now Ebola free is returning to Liberia to help -

http://www.boston.com/health/2015/01/12/rick-sacra-returning-liberia-help-rebuild/9a57J0pU0PtobGuZ3qoARM/story.html?p1=Topofpage:Carousel_sub_headline

BLD
Jan '15