Game of Thrones
Wild episode!! Did you notice there was dead silence at the end - no music at all while the credits rolled. Great effect.
I thought the silent credits were a nice touch. Also I suggest reading that part in the book, it's worse if you can believe it.
Having read the book I was anticipating the Red Wedding. It was more dramatic and less brutal than the book, but overall well done. The one deviation from the book is King Robs young wife, whom i do not recall being at the wedding in the book. This to me implies a deviation from the storyline that will cause problems next season.
Looking forward to next week. Season three is making up for the lackluster performance of season two.
Just hopeful the next book comes out soon. Doubt if they can get away with the same overlap on TV that books 4 and 5 used to advance the story. (Or rather not advance it.)
Robb's wife was completely different in the books. He only married her because he had relations with her. She was not present at the wedding, nor was she pregnant. She was also not from the free cities, she was from the Riverlands and her mother was present, disliked the match and was deliberately trying to get her away from Robb.
I read that George RR Martin was require to disclose material from future books in order for them to complete the series before the actors age too much. The series will be finished 7 seasons, before the books are released.
I read the book a while ago and didn't remember Rob's wife being killed in the book. Thought it was just my memory but I'm glad you cleared that up August. I have yet to read the fourth book so I have yet to know what part his wife had after the red wedding, if any. And if I recall in the book Catelyn died a more dramatic "death". Loosing her sanity, screaming, clawing herself, etc. Is this correct?
On the various forums, there are so many viewers swearing off of the show due to the brutal depiction of the massacre. These folks have obviously never watched Spartacus.
I was very shocked because I haven't read the books. Part of the shock was also that the massacre was a complete surprise and nothing really hinted at it. In season 2, you could see the climax of the battle at Blackwater building throughout the season. From what I have read online, there have been subtle hintsbut I'll admit, I didn't notice them (other than Rob reneging on his vow to the Freys).
Season 3 has so far been a mixed bag for me. It's moved extremely slow and some of the dialogue has not been as good as in the past. The massacre was at least a major turning point of the war. I just hope this show doesn't become another "Lost" -like show where things drag on and on.
For those that have read the books...can you tell me if we ever get to see Dani, her army, and the dragons start to kick some real as*? It's one of the better plot lines IMO.
A lot of the deaths in the Red Wedding were way more dramatic and disgusting than depicted. I'm only on book 4 so I can't answer about Danerys yet. I can say that Arya's story is about to get very interesting.
I really hope they finish off the Season with Joffrey and Margery's wedding. That will be a nice way to end it. *evil grin*
I've read Joffrey's wedding won't be until next season , with in fact book three taking up two whole seasons . Things move even slower in the books with some story lines left hanging and new characters being introduced . Hopefully they change that and they will have to if they want to wrap it up in seven seasons . At the pace Martin writes (6 years between fourth and fifth books) it's doubtful the last two books make it out before the series ends .
I was really hoping the wedding would be the finale, that is so disappointing. I've been trying to space out how quickly I read the books, hoping that by the time I finish the 5th the 6th may be close to printed, but I am not holding out hope.
He's slow to develop things, I remember being told the show was in the works a really long time ago, when my friend was getting ready to have her first kid. He's in kindergarten now!
One more episode of GOT then it's summer series like the last season of Dexter , True Blood , Breaking Bad , Falling Skies , new Stephen King 's Under The Dome , new SHO series Ray Donovan , new The Bridge on FX , and the usual Rookie Blue , Royal Pains , and Franklin and Bash . Can't say I watch all those but Dexter ,True Blood , and Falling Skies are guilty pleasures I never miss .
I'd like to start watching Dexter. Falling Skies looks interesting too. I just finished watching Spartacus and with GOT ending, I'll need something to tie me over for the summer.
Anyone still watching Game of Thrones? Just watched Season 4 - 2 and all I can say is Thank G-d!!
Yes, thank god. Could not stand that punk!!!
And Arya is the killer..poising that jerk!
Ok, just kidding..it wasn't Arya…wish it was though
The absolute BEST drama on TV. Loved the Purple Wedding set up so many plot twists coming, Have to admit I will NOT miss King Joffery, but who will I hate now besides Roost, Tywin, Melesandra, Little Finger, the Cannibals from beyond The Wall, so many to choose from. I can not wait for the rest of the twists and turns and surprises this season, but TRULY hate that we'll have to wait till next April for the Next season,
I agree, JA Fan and Villani!!! I cursed him dead every time he was on!
Is anyone watching Black Sails or DaVinci's Demons? Also great shows!
Tried to watch the 1st episode (episode 1) last night. No thanks. While I LOVE the era, love all things castles/nights/dragons, I have no interest in watching sibling incest, nudity for no purpose, and attempted murder of a child.
This show couldn't wash Gandalf's robe, or Bilbo's feet. LOL
Nothing against the actors- I'm a big Sean Bean fan, but I'm so sick of tv shows having to resort to sex and violence and corruption to get ratings. The more horrific, the better.
I also just watched the 1st episode of TURN last night- now there's a show that appears to have some promise. We'll see.
JR - for what its worth, i dont think its this TV show having to resort to sex and violence and corruption to get rating cause thats what the books are about... there's TONS of sex and violence in the books, even more so in my opinion... compared to the books the show is tame in my humble opinion (speaking of GoT only - there are a lot out there that do that, i agree)
Love Game of Thrones - Glad they offed Joffree - this early in the game.
The acting is the best - My favorite actor is Peter Dinklage - Tyrion Lannister.
being one of the orginal d&ders out there, i love this show, read all of the books of course,
agree that GoT is a story without a lot of humor, LotRs tells it's story through the innocent chlid-like eyes of the Hobbits, and as they grow and become aware of the larger more dangerous world around them so do we as readers/viewers.
GoT is told in a typically 'British' way, it's not any one of the characters that we can get behind for the whole thing, but the realm survives. (England soliders on). Without the child-like wonder of the hobbits, sometimes GoT can seem a little maudlin, dry and heavy, it's true.
the producers could throw in a couple of scenes now and then that have some humor to them, that would contrast some of the heaviness of the rest of the story.
both are really great epics, and i can't wait for the next book in the series to come out.
JR-- I am sorry you didn't give GoT more than one episode to decide that there was "no redeeming value " to the series. Agreed there is nudity, and other unpleasant scenes and plot lines, BUT they are only a part of the larger epic story told through MANY MANY characters, and situations. The story is fiction and fantasy, true, BUT, the human behavior as superbly acted by the cast, have ample examples in history( including the American Revolution as depicted in TURN ) and which I find in the news, and my neighborhood everyday. I don't see a real big difference in the character, values and motivation between Tywin Lannister wanting to regain the Kingdoms of the North and reunite the 7 kingdoms through strategic alliances and bullying) and Valdimir Putin wanting to round up the pieces of the old USSR by the same moves.
"GoT is LOTR for adults"
LOL. LOTR is one of the greatest stories EVER told- and not just for kids (despite the fact Tolkein wrote the Hobbit as a children's book). And that's not ME saying that, it's the WORLD saying that- that story has withstood the test of time, even w/o the movies re-igniting the interest. Let's wait 50 years and see if anyone even still remembers GoT, let alone is still reading it.
GoT is LOTR+Dynasty, with a little soft porn thrown in. No thanks.
Just watched the 1st episode of The Walking Dead... I'm NOT a horror or zombie/monster guy, but I must say, the first episode was interesting. Will watch more.
Have seen both episodes of TURN. Jury is still out... but so far, also very interesting.
My fiancé read all the Game of Thrones books and loved them. She begged me me to watch the show a few years ago and I watched the first two episodes. I thought, "this is way to violent for my taste", and refused to watch anymore. I am also a huge fan of Tolkien and read Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit two or three times. I've read all the appendixes of Lord of the Rings, which, if you read them you would know, is an entire story in itself. I even started reading The Silmarillion, but that is a much slower read.
That being said, she asked me for two years to give Game of Thrones another chance, and finally two years later, I gave in and we borrowed our friend's DVD's of the first two seasons. Well, once I started watching it and started getting into all of the numerous story lines, I couldn't stop watching it. Yes, I agree it is way to violent for my tastes and I wish it wasn't so (I admit I've shielded my eyes from the TV more than once), but the acting is so tremendous and the depth of the plot lines are so intense that we watched every episode and are now watching the new season.
This is not Lord of the Rings and should not be compared to it. There are no Dwarves (well, maybe Tyrion, but that's a different kind), no Elves, Wizards. It is entirely a different type of story. I am proof that you can be a fan of both types of works.
TURN: the untold story of America's first spy ring (during the Revolutionary War) - on AMC
Wanted to watch TURN on demand but it is saying that I have to subscribe to get it. What day does it come on?
Subscribe? Maybe they mean you have to already have whatever "cable package" the AMC channel is in... I watched Turn on demand, for free. But I also get AMC in my cable package.
It's had 2 episodes so far, I think it airs sundays (not sure)? So this sunday would be episode #3. I think you might be able to watch full episodes on the website I linked above.
I went on demand, hit watch and it is telling me that I need to pay for it. I certainly pay enough for all the cable I get, in which AMC is included so I'm not sure what this means.
There must be a problem with Comcast. The same thing is happening to me. I called and they said everything is set up correctly and she couldn't figure out what was wrong. I had to get back to work, so I arranged to call back later.
As amazing as the Game of Thrones series is on HBO, the books are so much better. The books are able to go into so much more detail and give some amazing back story that HBO couldn't hope to capture based on their time constraints.
People that have read the books should try to be careful not to ruin anything for those just following the HBO series. I know you want to discuss the amazing storylines and character progression, but not at the expense of others enjoyment. If you feel you must discuss it maybe start with a spoiler alert. I have some opinions and speculation about what will happen in the upcoming book, but I will keep those to myself.
Tryion is by far my favorite character and Arya would be 2nd... Who's your favorite?
Who are the brother and sister who are nailing each other? they're my favorite characters (especially the would-be child murderer brother)
The would be child murderer is Jamie Lannister, a fine choice. Sure he begins the story in an incestuous relationship relationship with his sister and he pushed young Bran Stark out of a window to hide that fact, but he also saved every man, woman, and child in King's Landing (the largest city in the seven kingdoms) from burning to death. Burning to death by the order of The Mad King Aerys II, a King that he was sworn to protect. So saving all of those children, by killing the king, cost him his reputation and earned him the title Kingslayer. A very conflicted character struggling on a path to redemption.
For GoT fans the story mentioned of Ser Duncan the Tall in the Kingsguard Book is an actual tale George R.R.Martin wrote (happening 100 years before GoT) in parts (not done yet either) or more commonly known as Tales of Dunk and Egg . Read the first one of the three called The Hedge Knight and it is pretty good .
No adult scenes yet like the novels and tv series - just like LOTRS . But I''ve been thinking just where the hell do Hobbits and dwarves come form - asexual reproduction , eggs maybe ? There are NO women in that series except elves - none at all . It's like Alfalfa and Spanky and the he-man women haters wrote that series . And they all hang out with an old guy (Gandalf) just like the old perverts that always seem to end up training altar boys. Very weird !
Plus, his sister is smoking hot and that little brat Bran was chick-blocking him. Super, you should start a spoiler thread to talk about the stuff that readers already know.
Gadfly - Like possibly discussing the identity of Jon Snow's mother and any implications that my have down the road?
I'm just looking forward to Sunday night's episode .... Hands of gold are always cold...
Loved this season, the complicated story lines, the superb acting, the old and now new questions, some answers, AND now the horrible long wait till next year for the next season. My friend is reading the books and watching the series at the same time. I have asked her not to spoil it for me, and for the most part that has worked. She tells me the book is different or in a different order, but we both love the series on it's own. I have ideas for where people and plots are going, and can't wait to find out how wrong I was. Watch a lot of series and think this is one of the very best.
What does everyone think of the battle of the wights (the reanimated dead) and the White Walkers against the Wildings/Knight's Watch in last night's episode ? Been waiting for that since the season two ending . It was totally awesome !
Yeah, it was a great scene. I loved watching the giant fight the wights, and the end when the ww reanimated all of the fallen wildlings.
So only the white walkers can be killed by dragon glass? And the zombie things are killed like regular zombies?lol
And was the implication that the John Snow's sword was dragon glass or some mythical metal (because it didn't break when hit with the ww's ice sword?)
Yes, that was the implication.
Valyrian steel, also called dragon steel.
perhaps some actual dragons can also take on the White Walkers...
The making of The Battle of Hardhome ;
HBO has released the trailer for season 6 . Looks absolutely awesome !
If you want to get in the mood for the new season Bex in Califon is having a Game of Thrones inspired night called "Dinner is Coming". I'm very disappointed that I have to miss this one.
Hold The Door ! So totally awesome . I like that as much as I do the teenage Spider-Man intro theme song , Left Hand Free .
I am too cheap to pay for HBO, but have always wanted to see this. Is there any way I could start to watch from Season 1? Is the series on Netflix or Hulu?
And his brother: Stopdabus
Spoiler guess: Brienne and Tormund hook up and in the next generations, giants withy Scottish accents rule the land.
Partway thru the battle of the bastards... wtf?! Just have to post that. I'm sure it will make sense in the end.
I watch them all from dvd's from the Free public library, but I'm always a season behind.
Now that's how you wind up a season! Next week I hope it's sparrow season! Then we can bring fashion back to The Westerlands!
I was completely speechless during Battle of the Bastards. Hands down, best TV episode I have seen in eons. Feed the hounds.
The best episode of the season. Speechless as well...
will little finger Marry Sansa and become Lord of Winterfell himself? Then he’ll control the Vale and the North????
If the rumor of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark being Jon's real parents is true that would make them aunt and nephew .Yuck ! Don't need anymore inbred mad Targaryen kings coming from that union . Daenerys' father (the mad king) and mother were sister and brother , so she might not be wrapped too tight herself - her brother certainly wasn't . The inbred hillbilly Frey clan is enough for one kingdom !
Can't forget the incestual relationship between Jamie and Cersei! Lots of incest within the Seven Kingdoms and beyond lol
Two of those kids are dead , Joffrey and Myrcella . If the witch who told a young Cersei her 3 kids would die before her is right the wimpy king Tommen is not long for the world .
Snow is doomed. You can't be a zombie without something bad happening. That's rule number one in Bruce Campbell's Evil Dead handbook.
Not a zombie because his flesh isn't rotting . Was brought back like Beric Dondarrion with some combination of religion/magic . The Mountianstein though looks like a big hunk of rotting meat . I expect the body count to rise next week , especially if Cersei is planning on igniting the mad king's stash of wildfire under the Sept . When all is done Lady Mormont will rule the seven kingdoms . She sure gave Ramsay Bolton the old stink eye during the Snow/Bolton meeting !
Did anyone watch the season 7 premier? Pretty predictable. Knew Arya would do something like that !
With only 6 more episodes left to go in season 7 and 12 total left for the show, they will need to pick up the pace.
Really like the show. Get a bit lost at times.
Give me 3 dragons anf I'd win, game (show) over. Unless that lil' man got sumtin up his sleeve.
I thought it was great that they "touched base" with where all of the characters were, basically picked right up from last season. @hktownie - yes, they do need to pick it up! I'll give them credit for the fact that Daenerys made it to land in the first episode when they could have dragged it out. ;)
thoughts on Sansa ? Is she a potential Cersi in training?
I thought it was great start!
What is with Sansa's voice? I don't remembering it being SOOO nasally like she has a cold. I found it distracting. I really liked her line about Jon needing to be smarter than Ned or Rob though, very insightful. She does seem smarter than Rob and she should be ruler of the north IMO. Maybe Rob dies and that's what next for her. I don't see Sansa as being another Cersei, but I do see her ruling the North for sure.
Ayra's ability is completely over powered if you think about it. She could take over Westeros easily without dragons, while killing the least amount of people.
The Dany stuff I found boring. That whole scene of her at Dragonstone was way too drawn out and, in my opinion, missed the mark. I was watching the 'behind the episode' and one of the creators was said how this was supposed to be such a monumental moment for Dany and that no words were necessary. I think they did a bad job of conveying the weight of the moment or Emilia Clarke is just a bad actress - because I didn't get it. Also seeing Ayra's power, I think Ayra is more powerful than Dany.
And more from the wasted time department was the fat guy at the citadel. The bed pan montage was completely unnecessary and when you only have 7 episodes why waste time on that? The whole citadel thing 'climaxes' with the fat guy stealing keys from an 80 year old who was sleeping. OOOOH how dramatic. He wasn't even careful to be quiet about grabbing the keys, probably because the 80 year old dude was half deaf to begin with. What a time waster, that whole part should have been like 2 minutes tops.
The most interesting story line to me is The Hound, I always like a good redemption story. He portrays the torment of a guilty past while trying to move forward in a different direction, but not really being sure what that direction is, very well. It might be too formulaic, but I can't help thinking that The Hound and his brother's path are destined to cross again with The Hound defeating his brother and saving the day in some heroic fashion....but this is GoT so probably when it happens The Hound will die LOL.
Oh and I almost forgot, the Ed Sheeran scene. Talk about monumental time wasting in a show that moves at a snail's pace to begin with! /eyeroll
NY times said something like- the first thing you need to mount a rebellion is a sexy map. :-D
Sansa's voice was always nasally, I've noticed it before. She's smart and she's through being a victim. I don't think she'll let Littlefinger manipulate her, he screwed her over big time once before. Right now she's one of the less predictable characters, I like that we'll get to see her unfold a bit.
And you're right John Snow still "knows nothing".
Cersei is still fighting the war that's already over. And she's drinking alot of wine, maybe that will take her down.
Arya is my favorite. She's tough and dangerous and she doesn't forget. She'll need the Hound to fight his brother so she can get to Cersei I think.
Can the dragons make dragon glass just by breathing on sand or rocks? Why transport it? Just bring em where you want it to be and let them make it.
No, I took Dragon Glass to be a separate mineral - which there is a ton of under Dragonstone.
I've never been so happy to be out of the pop culture loop than when Ed Sheeran was on! I had no idea who he was and I still don't know or care, so the stunt cast went right over my head, I just thought they found an actor with a better singing voice than they normally cast.
@Scottso I enjoyed your review and agree, though, I like the episode as a whole, that the citadel bed pan montage was totally unnecessary.
Episode 3 was so much better than episode 2, thankfully!
That exchange with Tyrion and Jon on the cliffs about brooding was absolute gold!
Agreed, episode 3 was terrific.
And apparently dragon glass is obsidian? I think I heard that mentioned?
Love that they are moving this season along quickly! It's great to see the story lines that have been building finally come to a head. Olenna Tyrell completely owned that scene. :)
somechik.. yes agree about Olenna Tyrell. If she had been a man the Tyrell's would still be around, no doubt! How she produced that fool of a son is a good question.
I sooo want something bad to happen to Littlefinger. His greasy voice gives me the creeps.
Kind of ambivalent about Ellaria Sand. She was not someone to get sympathy- temper temper traitor traitor. Still that was a horrible way to get even.
And Jorah.. yes! We like him.
Must say last night's episode was one of the best yet, waiting for daenery to bend a new to Jon Snow
agreed. The only bad thing about Game of Thrones is having to wait until next week. I want it now!!! lol
Great episode! any thoughts on Little finger - giving Brandon the Dagger? and Brandon's response abt "Ladder of Chaos?
is Little Finger on Arya's list?
And the ending!!! is this the end for Jaime Lannsiter????????????????
I've been wondering about armor meets water ever since Brienne of Tarth took Jamie in a boat in season 3. But Bronn lost his bag of money, maybe he'll try to save Jamie to be sure he'll get paid.
The 3 eyed raven knows all...
The line is a callback to the Season 3 episode, “The Climb.” Littlefinger used the phrase while talking to Varys. They stood by the Iron Throne, and while discussing the many blades that make it a supremely uncomfortable seat, Littlefinger told Varys, “Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder.” Varys advocated for peace and order as the best way to move forward, but Littlefinger saw the disarray of the realm as a chance for men like him to climb upward. The title of the episode referred to Jon Snow and the wildlings ascending the Wall, but it wasn't the only climb in play.
Jamie hurt my sweet patootie --- what about the dragon. Jamie's weird, dragon's are hot.
I mean sure, he's got armor on, only one hand, but watch Jamie walk on water....somebody shot a street lamp into the dragon.
The list is in the lockbox....Al Gore has the key. But the answer is everyone is one the list. Makes it easy to say: hey, they were on the list...
Ladder of Chaos --- deep nod to a deep nod. A number of quote redux for the night.
Cersei without is body double, that's the important stuff.
Best line of the night for me was Tyrion saying something about killing white walkers or.....in the proper vernacular --- stopping them. He just rolls those off-liners off in a stream. If you hum Dinklage, Peter, Dinklage over and over during the opening credits, you can see the song was written to be sung in his name, Love that pin.
Yes, best season ever if just because I don't have to keep asking the kids "who is that?" Getting a little more black hat, white hat which is much easier to follow. And (like Russians) no one likes zombies. Sometimes simpler is better.
Arya made a mistake letting Littlefinger see her fight. He's plotting how to make use of it.
This was the episode where Mets pitcher Noah (Thor) Syndergaard had his cameo as an extra . He played a Lannister soldier who threw a spear that took down a Dothraki horse . Blink and you missed it .
Hktownie - thanks for the link and the clarification ...
Arya now has the dagger- I'm hoping she uses the dagger - I would enjoy the demise of little finger...
Will Jon snow bend the knee?
My mistake , the spear hit a Dothraki rider not his horse .
Full dragon battle scene below . Syndergaard around the 1:21-23 minute mark .
I have not read the books so here is my prediction based on different articles that I have read. Of course, the show has deviated from the books as well so who knows.
Jamie is alive will be the one that kills Cersei
- there was a prophecy about how Cersei dies...and they've been building up the redemption of Jamie for a while now.
Jon and Dany are related and will rule Westeros together...remember the flashback of Ned "almost" rescuing his sister in the tower. We're all led to believe that Jon is Ned's bastard son but Ned never talked about Jon's mother. There was also an episode where they refer to a Targaryeon but then the camera switches to Jon's face.
Sansa kills Littlefinger
Arya saves the Hound from the Mountain
I'm really warming up to Sansa, hope she wins it all.
Jon is such a dolt, although seemed a little more with it this episode - not much. The episode in the cave was underwhelming. Why did Jon have to make Dany walk what seemed like miles, alone, just to see that? He couldn't have just told her? I didn't think it was that amazing of a site. Were they trying to build sexual tension between Jon and Dany?
I miss The Hound!
done with little finger & varys, don't care what happens to either of them
glad to see bran less lobotomized then last episode. To see the three stark kids together again was awesome
I'm pretty positive they answered the John - Targarian thing at the end of last season. Ned's sister, who got raped by Danyris' father, asked Ned to never tell who Jon's real father was, so Ned just said he was his.
Qyburn who takes him out? He has a kindly face but he's the one giving Cersei all the tools she needs. And is the rest of the ground under the city still loaded with wildfire?
I think the question was left open about Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar. Maybe she loved him. Who could love Robert? Bit of pig really.
I'm betting the arrows from the Scorpion were poisoned and Drogon the dragon will die , then get reanimated by the Night King . What would a zombie dragon emit ? Blue/white Mr. Freeze freezing flame , fast moving icicle projectiles , horrendously bad breath ?
I think last nights episode was disappointing in comparison with last weeks episode. I know there's just so much violence and blood shed -
Not sure how a small band of fighters will fare with the white walkers...
next week should be interesting
Is Arya playing little finger???
I hope Arya is playing him, she's so good at reading people now. But Sansa and Arya didn't get along when they were kids, potential blind spot?
Davos as smuggler was a great scene, can see why he used to be so good at it.
I really want to see someone else get to ride a dragon. Anyone else read Anne McCaffrey?
DH and I trying to figure out who in that group won't be coming back. They have a priest who brings people back from the dead. But Jon and one-eye guy have both been brought back before. Hound and Jorah were as good as brought back too.. how many times can you die/almost die and come back? We hope at least Jon, Tormund, Jorah and the Hound survive it. Jon has to after Gilly's big find. Tormund is too much of a character to lose. Jorah I just missing hearing him say 'Khaleesi' in that voice. Pretty sure the Hound has something to do at the end.
In the books every time Beric Dondarrion was brought back from the dead he lost more of his memories and was less himself . If not every one of the Westeros Magnificent Seven team up doesn't make it back alive from north of the Wall , I'm guessing any combination of Beric , Thoros of Myr , and Jorah .The last time Jorah said goodbye to Dany seemed final and it makes little sense to the story line to kill off any of the other four .
My prediction is that Littlefinger will kill Ayra. It's totally something that GoT would do.
I was wrong . It's Viserion who became the zombie dragon not Drogon . It looks like the Night King has found his way to get over the wall . A shame there is only one episode left .
Seriously?! It's Wednesday and no one is talking about this?!
I really loved this season, so many story lines coming to a head that were started in Season 1. I can't believe we have to wait, potentially, until 2019 for the final season!
I like the show and am certainly looking forward to next season but I feel it has lost some of it's luster.
Jon and Dany REALLY get on my nerves. I feel like them hooking up makes zero sense and the only reason I can see it is for 'fan service'. For the women fans.
Kit is a horrible actor and reminds alot of Nicholas Cage or Keanu Reeves. He has one look/emotion and that's it.
Dany's character started out great but is now just meh. She doesn't come across as a bad ass at all, but the entertainment articles keep saying she is. She doesn't seem that special.
That sex scene was bad imo. Greyworm's scene was much better and he doesn't have all his parts LOL. Heck - Jon's scene in the cave with the wilding woman was way hotter and had more feeling than the boat scene with Dany. I can only attribute that to the different actresses. I believed Jon and the wilding woman were in love. I'm not feeling it all with J&D.
Enough with Cersei already, so one dimensional.
Is Bran really the Night King? What deal did Tirion really make with Cersei? Does anyone care anymore? LOL.
Cersei Lannister is the Hillary Clinton of Westeros
this is the best season so far hands down,
Dany and Jon getting together was obvious since i read the 1st book in the series almost 15 years ago
Jon not being a bastard bu tbeing the legitimat heir to the iron throne was also a logical guess in this story line.
imho the attraction between the two of them has been developed very well by their prior interactions, the bed scene was predictable, maybe they toned it down a bit for more family oriented viewing, haven't; seen a floppy wiener on screen in some time now, maybe the producers got the message on that from south park , who knows? anyways i think its a good trend as in my view they overdid that stuff in the first few seasons, but that's just me
Bran is the NIght King ?? i don't think so, but who knows? maybe you're right,
I think he is the new wise man of that universe, the three-eyed raven with special gifts and powers, i 'm thinking he probably goes up to be part of the root of the big tree at the north pole, (as is similar in Viking mythology - the big tree with the roots that mid-earth revolves around)
anyways i love the little conversations between the characters , good stuff, good writing,
BD, maybe you think jon and dany were developed well because you read the book and are mixing some of that into what's in the show? I didn't read the book, well actually I started to and as soon as Ned Stark died I was like WTF and stopped reading it. So I'm pretty much going only on the show and don't know anything about the real story in the books.
Jon and Dany, to me, comes down to the lack of chemistry between the two actors, but from a storytelling perspective it is pretty perfect. They are setting up a classic conflict because when they learn Jon's true parentage it is going to turn both characters' worlds upsidedown!
Jon has based his entire worldview on being a bastard, while Dany has based her entire worldview on being the most rightful heir to the throne. When they learn that Jon is actually the true heir, it's going to have huge political and personal ramifications. And btw - white walkers in the middle of all that!!!
Lots of loose ends tied up in predictable ways. But that's ok since we have to wait so long for season 8. An unexpected cliffhanger would have been mean.
Love Sansa and Arya taking down Little Finger. Yes!
Jamie finally had it with Cersei. Yes!
I hope Tormund got away from the Wall in time to tell the tale.
Nice to see Bran back in the show, he needed some story time.
Night King? idk but that guy seems to have plans and more resources than we knew.
Looks like the Clegane Bros will have it out in season 8 and Cersei will be there til the bitter end.
Theon suddenly has a pair even though he doesn't. Too late really.
Tyrion, what is up with you? Seemed like he stopped being clever this season. Is he going to betray Dany for the sake of a maybe fictional niece or nephew?
Did Bron and Podrick ever come back from that drink?
Where is Gendry?
Where is Sir Davos?
J&D agree with scottso. I don't really care what they do, seems forced.
Why was Brienne there at all since Jon was there?
Interesting that every major character with battle experience is away from Winterfell and the army of the dead looks to be headed that way.
I was disappointed in this final episode and don't want to wait for another 18mos for the next series....
And how abt the Zombie Dragon? Great effects
I missed something I think. The children of the forest created the night king to protect them from men? Then how come the night king and wights were willing to attack the children of the forest. Was it an experiment that went amok?
Bran's ancestor Brandon (Stark) The Builder (of the Night's Watch) who built the Great Wall is rumored to be the Night King not the three eyed Raven young Brandon Stark . And I would hope Jon (Aegon Targaryen) doing his Aunt (Daenerys Targaryen) wouldn't be all that hot . The book story stopped a couple of seasons ago , but the online rumors on Yahoo of Sam curing Jorah of greyscale , a dragon turning into an undead wight . and Arya killing Littlefinger with his own dagger were all true . Don't go on Yahoo and read all the GoT spoilers if you want to avoid them . If you do you'll know how season eight ends long before it is telecast . Except maybe for the first season of Survivor , no one can keep a secret anymore .
Why do you feel the need to ruin a friendly thread with your political bile? Its pathetic.
no bile was used , just a sense of humor which you so sorely missed, it's funny, that's all
You can put me down for not getting the humor as well
Yes it was a gamble by the Children of the Forest during their war against humans to create the Walkers , who ultimately wanted themselves and their undead wights to be the only creatures in all of existence .
It wasn't funny or clever the first time you wrote it BD, and then you had to write again a half dozen posts later like a 8 year old boy looking for attention. There is quite enough political anger going around, thank you very much.
well it is funny, but i guess not to a die hard ideologue like yourself who clearly has no sense of humor, sorry you don't get it, it's not that big a deal, why are you trolling me all the time? you need a new hobby, what's your obsession? it was a joke that's all, it was funny that's all, you don't like the joke, ok that'd be one opinion, you're entitled to it, move on, but these personal attacks are unwarranted, and you use them all the time, you can back off now, you made your point,
in my view Cersei Lannister is the Hillary Clinton of Westero. Cersei fits the nasty , vindictive, vengeful Hillary image pretty good, and that's funny, you don't like it, ok, i got it, message received, that's your opinion. maybe learn how to laugh a little bit, you'll live longer, . seesh.
Good movie for the men and Game of Thrones fans will recognize the lead.
The show is SO cringey now. Actually, it has been that way since season 5. I’m watching only because, at this point, I have to see how it ends.
My favorite line:
Varys: You take great offense at dwarf jokes, but love telling eunuch jokes. Why is that?
Tyrion: Because I have balls, and you don't.
looking forward to the next episode!
Sansa: What do dragons eat anyway?
Khaleesi: Whatever they want.
Sad to see Tyrion as the only one in Winterfell who actually believes Cersei is sending her army to fight the Walkers and the army of the dead . When gullible Sansa calls you stupid - you are stupid ! Hopefully the writers are setting up some sort of ploy for Tyrion , but right now he looks small and I don't mean his height .
97X, I hope so too but I have a feeling they aren't setting up a ploy/scheme. I think Tyrion wants so badly to believe his sister has finally come to understand what is happening that he is letting his guard down. A lot of speculation rests on Cersei killing Tyrion and Jamie then killing Cersei. Of course, it is only speculation.
Tyrion thinks she's pregnant and he's letting that cloud his thinking about her motives. Her children have been her one and only soft spot. I doubt she's pregnant, just trying to manipulate her brothers any way she can.
Read an interesting comment about Jon Snow yesterday. On finding out who his parents are. First reaction- Ned Stark is the most honorable man I've ever known and he lied to me my whole life? Not- uh oh I just got out of bed with my auntie.
And about Arya and Gendry- Robert did say his son would marry Ned's daughter. Could this be that?
Robert was referring to Sansa and Joffrey when he said that , why would he want Ned's highborn daughter to marry his illegitimate offspring ? Cersei drinks a lot of wine for someone supposedly with child . In the A Feast For Crows book the woods witch Maggy The Frog told her she would have three children so if she is preggers this kid won't be born . She also told a teenaged Cersei that she would be killed by a younger brother , but I'm pretty sure they left that part out of the tv series . At least it's not on the youtube clip , so the HBO writers may have a different ending planned for her than the books . If those last two books are ever finished .
I doubt Cersei is preggers as well; my bet is she is using it as a ploy to further manipulate everyone. Jamie is a good example although he called her bluff and was like "see-ya" and headed to Winterfell.
I give Samwell a lot of credit for the way he handled Jon when telling him in the crypts. There's no telling how he would've reacted and Jon was visibly shaken and no knowing what to do. His whole life was just shattered and the one man he knew to be the most honorable turned out to not be (by lying to him). I can't wait to see how he handles this news going forward. And does he tell Daenerys?
Now that Gendry is back in the fray and not just endlessly rowing, I have to believe he has a bigger role than just being a blacksmith forging weapons to battle the Whitewalkers. I could see him and Arya realizing the love they have for each other but I don't see him ruling on the Iron Throne though.
Is this the final season? I haven't watched a minute of the show and want to wait until it's completely over to binge watch the whole thing.
I don't think it would be a good idea for Jon to distract Daenerys before the big battle with the dead army . If she gets killed , like several fans seem to think , she'll never have to learn she was sleeping with her nephew and it would become a moot point . Notice how Bran said Jon wasn't his brother ? He's now a cousin to Bran, Sansa , and Arya . A lot of awkwardness in store for Jaime next week confronting Bran and the daughter of the mad king he killed , let alone the rest of the northerners that hate him , which would be all of them .
Yup , it's the last season with 5 more episodes - the last one airing on May 19th .
97X I know Robert didn't mean that, he didn't even know about Gendry, but it's a possible case of a prophetic line coming back around again, maybe. I have a son, you have a daughter.. no names were mentioned.
Be interesting to see how much Samwell let's his feelings about the death of his dad and brother affect his pushing Jon to take the throne from Daenerys. Might have been ok if it was just the horrible father who was killed, but the brother?
And yes! Jamie has some big 'splainin' to do! Maybe the immediate urgency of the Walkers almost there will help move it along.
Anyone remember which season and episode had the Cersei prophecy? I want to watch that part again.
Now that Bran is the Three-Eyed Raven, I'll be surprised* if he cares very much about what Jaime did to him in the past. Daenerys is a whole different story, though.
*That said, this show surprises me on a regular basis, so who knows?
The Cersei prophecy was in season 5 episode one . Interesting that the witch told her the King will have 20 children , you will have three . Brienne can vouch for Jaime , I would say Tyrion could try , but they hate him too . I'm betting Bran forgives him and Jaime makes the case that killing the mad king saved many more lives and ended Robert's Rebellion much earlier . I doubt Jon comes clean as a Targaryen to help since the northern lords are none too happy with him for giving up his kingship to bend the knee to the queen of dragons . Supposedly Sansa gets into a huge argument with Daenerys - should be fun !
last night was definitely the calm before the storm. a lot of "finality" it seems with the characters we have come to know which i think will speak of ultimately what is to come in the war with the Night King. as much as i am looking forward to the rest of the season i'm also not because of the potential casualties we are going to witness. it's going to be brutal no question.
and Tormund FTMFW.. love that man! lol "is the big woman still here?"
Now Dani knows who Jon really is. Going to be interesting what happens now that she knows.
Mets, agreed! now that she knows he is the rightful heir, will she step aside from her claim to the throne if they survive the war? personally, i don't think she can or will. i'm still waiting for the aunt-nephew realization to hit them lol
Interesting backstory on the song that Podrick sung and then was used again in the closing credits... https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/4/21/18510272/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-2-jennys-song-jon-daenerys-targaryen-florence-the-machine
A faithful watcher, had HBO just for GOT.
After last season, I dropped HBO and have not missed GOT one little bit. Jumped the shark IMHO. I mean are there any tables left to bend someone over?
Ugh, the cringe continues.
1.So many gratuitous “female power” moments that seem so shoehorned-in just for political sake. Every man portrayed, save for one or two, is either physically or mentally challenged. The mountain is not quite human, Jamie has one hand, Tyrion is a little person, Greyworm is a eunuch, the other bald guy who’s an adviser is a eunuch, the iron islands pirate guy is a creepy sex-driven borderline rapist, Braun-same thing, the Hound has facial deformity, Sam is an ultra-beta who took care of another mans baby in previous seasons, Brandon Stark is wheelchair bound and is now creepy AF, and the list goes in and on. If the male characters are “whole” they’re always a bit bumbling until a female character corrects and “saves” them from their stupitidy. Leanna Mormont and aria are these great warriors now? Give it a rest.
2. The depth of the characters is no longer there. Each of them (other than Joffrey) were different blends of good and evil and since the show stopped following the books (season 4?) characters are now either good OR evil. There’s no internal struggle the viewer has as to whether or not to support certain characters. They’re either good guys or bad guys which is way too simplified and not at all interesting.
3. Some ideas/practices/dogma of that world that was so well established just vanishes to make the storyline easier to write. A great example was Theon returning to Winterfell. In earlier seasons treason and abandoning your post was an instant death sentence. Theon returns to Winterfell like nothing happened? Sure he saved Sansa after capturing Winterfell and killing its people but seasons ago that wouldn’t have mattered in the least. Theon should have been executed.
4. IMO itbwent from one of the best TV shows OF ALL TIME to a “just ok” medieval fantasy story. It’s sloppy and written lazy. It no longer transports me mentally into another world through the dialog. I’m fully aware at every turn I’m watching the standard Hollywood BS. From last night’s episode: “He made mistakes but he owns it.” Owns it? Thats a modern colloquialism only really gaining prevalence in the last 5-10 years.
Show stinks but as I mentioned before, I’m in 7 seasons deep so I have to finish it out.
Jon Snow is the alpha male in the show now. It's pretty obvious he'll end up ruling Westeros. Brought back from the dead, is really a Targaryen, on a chosen one type path. I'd be shocked if it ends any other way.
See that's the thing Mets, i don't think he wants to rule Westeros.. i don't think he wants to rule at all.
Dany is fire.. .survived fire that should have killed her... Jon is ice.. survived being knifed in the snow, or at least died but brought back by the lord of light, So something to do with a Song of Ice and Fire here. Maybe Dany is pregnant but 4 more episodes isn't really enough time to deal with that.
With 6 episodes in the season and only 4 left it seems like there's an awful lot to be resolved. Last night's episode could have been shortened and added to last weeks.
What a great episode, no spoilers, but just wow
Worst. Battle. Strategy. Ever.
After all the hype, I was thoroughly disappointed.
Well, except for, you know . . . her.
Needed night vision googles to watch it. Way too dark, way too fast. Disappointing I couldn’t make out wtf was going on
"Worst. Battle. Strategy. Ever." -JerseyWolf
ok, armchair general, what would you have done to defend?
Umm...maybe use the dragons preemptively to kill as many of the dead as possible? Just a thought.
The scene with the Dothraki sent a chill up my spine. Did anyone see if Ghost came back after that? As for the ending, I always hoped it would be her! Who else was better qualified?
"Umm...maybe use the dragons preemptively to kill as many of the dead as possible? Just a thought."
Eperot, they had no idea when the Night King's dragon was going to be used in the battle,so their strategy was to stand back . It was only when Dannirys saw what happened to the Dothraki, that she said screw the plan, and went for it. Sure enough, the Night King was ready for that and caused the storm. I'm sure if the dragons were used earlier, he would have just brought in the storm earlier.
My only disappointment was that I thought Bran was going to be more involved other than still just observing.
Hktownie I’ve seen a picture that someone took a screen shot of from the upcoming episode and Ghost is in the picture with everyone!
Rich, I think Bran was "pre-involved". He gave the sword to Arya in a prior episode.
You're right, Maja2. I just looked up that scene where Bran gave her that dagger, and saw how that same dagger was in the book at the Citadel. And it's amazing to see how this has been set up since Season 3, with Malisandra's vision, and we see how all of Arya's training to be an "assassin" with the Faceless Men now looks to entirely be to set her up for this moment.
I thought Arya gave Sansa that dagger and she used the dragon glass point that Gendry made for her? Now I have to watch that part again...
Battle needed to take place during the day - the first 30 mins was so annoying with a billion people adjusting their TV's trying to see.
"Some fans thought that Arya gave the dagger to Sansa at the beginning of the episode. After the wights proved unstoppable, Arya told Sansa to go down to the crypts and to take the dagger to protect herself. We only see the hilt and can assume it’s the Valyrian steel dagger. But Sansa flashes the dagger to Tyrion in the crypts as they hide from the Wights and we see that it is dragonglass."
It was staged at night to save money on special effects. It was a budget decision plain and simple. I love how Dany is a sword fighter now too *eye roll* Jorah Mormont-an actual knight- dies fighting next to someone who’s never held a sword before. Ridiculous.
Guessing, but while the darkness was annoying, that was what the players were experiencing. Makes sense for dead people to attack at night. Lights for viewer convenience would not have had us squinting like they were?
"It was staged at night to save money on special effects. It was a budget decision plain and simple." -Consigliere
I’m just glad you all said it cause we watched it and thought there was an issue with our tv LOL! I swear we did !
There are a few articles online about how badly it was filmed and how to adjust your tv to rewatch it . It reminded me of that NFL playoff game the Bears and Eagles played in the thick fog .
Yes, it makes sense for the dead to attack at night.
But for light cavalry to mount a horse charge, in pitch blackness, in the snow, against a vastly superior force? That makes no sense, whatsoever.
But at least they didn't put the catapults just behind the cavalry, right? Because, you know, that would be almost as dumb as a cavalry charge.
I don't know which general was in charge, but Colonel Sanders could have mounted a better defense.
I've seen some youtube videos about this episode. Some people are whining that Jon Snow didn't kill the Night King and act like he's the main villain of the show. He was always a side threat. The show is about taking the iron throne. We knew the Night King would be taken care of first then the show would end with someone taking the throne for good. Now that the dead have decimated the forces at Winterfell, it'll be interesting to see how they can amass enough troops to defeat Cersei.
I have heard so many people and the media complaining about how dark the episode was. Did anyone expect the night king to attack in broad daylight. I enjoyed the episode and thought as a battle scene it was only second to the battle of helms deep
Yep, it was too dark to see all the action, somethings didn't make the most sense, but STILL the most Horrific, violent, blood, immoral series you MUST watch. I wish it could go on a lot longer.
You can have your battles between armies, giants amongst men, but in the end Highlander, there only needs to be one: little girl......with a knife.....by herself......with one shot.... to make the difference.
Makes you wonder why she waited so many seasons to just walk up and stab the dude...…
But now, after that, deal girl walking.....
After what I am hearing, I am so glad I cut my HBO......
That episode was fantastic! Yes, it was dark, but an adjustment to the TV and it was much better. He is called the Night King for a reason and I thought the darkness enhanced the contrast to the fire nicely. The way that they "extinguished" the Dothraki was tragic and beautiful. I was at the edge of my seat the whole time!
I feel sorry for the poor barista that had to write her name on a cup...Queen Daenerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen, the first of her name, Queen of the Andals, the Rhyonar and the First Men, Lady of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm, Lady of Dragonstone, Queen of Meereen, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons and drinker of Pumpkin Spice Latte.
It's actually sitting in front of where Jon was sitting, so that would also be confusing for the Barista - Snow, Stark, Targaryan? Jon or Aegon?
Did Sansa keep Jon's secret for even a single day before she blabbed it to Tyrion ? Probably a moot point because crazy Daenerys is about to get killed anyway . Good to see The Hound and Arya on a road trip again , he to kill his brother , her to wipe out Cersei . Funny take off on the show and Avengers on SNL the other night ;
Not so sure anymore that Arya is going to kill Cersei anymore....I'm thinking she is gonna end up killing Daenerys now realizing she is an even bigger threat. And doesn't she have green eyes too?
I think Jaime Lannister is going to kill Cersei. He probably thinks he's the only one who can get close enough to her to do it. I think he will die as well.
Agree Metsman. When Jamie left, he mentioned how everything he did in his life was because of her. He believes that killing her will be his redemption for all the wrong he has done. And it will cost him his life in the process.
Metsman was right about the Robinson Cano trade to the Mets - whoops he wasn't and Cano is an old washed up has-been loser at the plate with warning track power that scares no one . So he's probably right here as well .
97XBAM yea because one month of a six month season is what you go off of right... I guess Brandon Nimmo is washed up too batting .192.... Great logic... The show could go off in any direction. I certainly didn't expect another dragon to die.
More than likely got it's budget cut and was pushed to end it by HBO . They canceled boxing at the end of 2018 which they had since the 70s on , so I'll be dropping them after the Deadwood movie on May 31st . I't'll be my first time without HBO since 1981 back when you put the tv on channel 2 and flipped the switch .
It's a pretty sad commentary that my favorite thing about this show now is the production values. It all looks so spectacular. Most especially the dragons.
Unfortunately, each week the characters get dumber and dumber, and the stories make less and less sense. It's a shame that such a great show is going out this way.
Monty what's wrong with it? I love it. The latest episode Dani knew she'd never have the love of the people or Jon so it made her crazy to the point where she'd rather destroy Kings Landing. She had the burn it all mentality throughout the series. She listened to her advisers earlier. Now that all of them are dead and Tyrerion keeps screwing up as her last advisor, she's basically all alone making her own decisions and listening to her worst impulses. She'll probably die in the last episode.
The Clegane brothers going at it and both going out in a blaze of glory was great.
Jon's loyalty is now in question because he stopped the Northmen from participating in the butchery after Cersei's army surrendered. Might be the North vs the Unsullied and Dothraki in the final episode.
What's wrong with it?!
Dany & Greyworm were always--ALWAYS--about rescuing the normal people from the dictators. And they'd both already lost many people they cared about. So, no reason for BOTH to go murder-crazy over one girl and kill a million innocents.
The Hound acted all surprised that his brother was undead, even though EVERYONE already knew.
Euron suddenly became an incompetent imbecile and couldn't even scratch a dragon he KNEW was coming, though he previously killed one with ease. And then he got his butt kicked by a one-armed man.
Jon Snow couldn't find ONE loyal man in his whole army; they all just ignored him.
Arya the stone-cold assassin WHO COOKED A MAN'S KIDS AND FED THEM TO HIM completely forgot how to fight or move or hide and turned into a wimpy little crying girl.
The dragon roasted Varys RIGHT NEXT TO other people, but his flames are apparently hot enough to sear through many feet of solid stone instantly.
Over a million people in the city, including many thousands of seasoned, professional soldiers, yet not ONE of them could shoot an arrow and hit an unarmored woman flying just above the city.
Cersei the ice-cold, brilliant strategist suddenly just decided to do nothing. Oh, except cry, when all of the people she absolutely didn't care about got slow-roasted.
I think the writers just gave up.
Refer back to what I said about Dani. You're obviously not paying attention. Her whole plan was going down the crapper. Jon is the real heir. People were going to find out across the 7 kingdoms who Jon really is. She lost Jorah and Missendei. Sorry but only Khal Drogo and the dragons were at their level of her love. Jon rejected her love since he found out she's his aunt. One of her advisers betrayed her. And like I said above, she knows the people will never truly love her like they would with Jon. That's a lot of stuff going on to push her over the edge. Greyworm, all he had was Missendei. His world was destroyed with her death. They had plans for after it all. Now that's gone.
Yea ok the Hound is supposed to know he's undead just because he's ugly and deformed now?! Why would he think running a sword through the guy wouldn't kill him....
Euron killed the dragon because they didn't know his fleet was hiding behind the rocks.... Cmon dude.... Keep up......
Your nitpicking is funny....
You must have been complaining since Season 1 then. Ned Starks plan that led to his death wasn't very smart.
The writing is very tired and lazy IMO. I’m with JerseyWolf on this one.
I'd hardly call it "nit-picking." I've been a fan since Martin released the first book. For 7 seasons, I loved the show (as did the world) and believed it was the best show on television (and all those Emmys means I'm not the only one). I actually pay to have HBO added to my cable bill, ONLY for GoT. And I'm certainly not the only one who believes this season has jumped the shark--the internet is full of similar comments.
This is one of the funniest videos I've seen, addressing the poor writing: Clips about Dany mysteriously "forgetting" about Euron's fleet.
Ok so you loved the first 7 seasons. Season 7 ended with the revelation that Jon Snow is the true heir to the throne. How did you think that would play out? I expected it to not end well. What did you expect that the Night King would wipe out most of Westeros and then Jon would come in like a hero and kill him? Did you expect Jon and Dani to be together after he finds out she is his Aunt? This is game of thrones.... when you expect something predictable to happen you get blindsided. That's how the show has been from the beginning. Dani has shown throughout that she can be merciless towards her enemies. The leash is off of her now. She's clearly not in a good place mentally with everything that has transpired and I'm fine with it. Just because something didn't go the way you wanted it to doesn't make it bad.
If we're going to talk bad writing, just look at the sequel trilogy for Star Wars. The first 6 movies told a complete story only for Disney to come in and get crappy writers like Rian Johnson to take a crap on the whole saga. I've enjoyed Benioff and Weiss vision for GOT and can't wait to see what they create when they do their SW trilogy.
Well, Metsman, I guess all I can say is reasonable people can have differing opinions.
JerseyWolf gives many good examples of "what's wrong with it."
I'm not especially disappointed with where the story's going; it's how we're getting there that's my problem. IMO the show has steadily lost its way ever since they ran out of source material, but I think the *biggest* problem now is Benioff and Weiss just haven't given themselves enough time to pull everything together in these last 6 epsiodes. Consequently we have characters pretty suddenly acting against type, lots of astounding TV-style coincidences, and so forth. And whereas early on, we had characters making mostly reasonable decisions that would then go horribly awry, now they're just making stupid decisions for the sake of moving to the next plot point.
I was thrilled a few episodes back when Sansa said to Tyrion, "I used to think you were the cleverest man alive." I said out loud to the TV, "Yeah, WTF?"
BTW, I agree that the Clegane brothers fight was fun to watch, but it only makes sense in a fan-service kind of way. For almost 7 seasons, the Hound barely ever even mentioned the Mountain. Now suddenly in the last 6 episodes he feels the need to ride all the way from Winterfell to Kings Landing for the sole purpose of killing him. Why? Because the fans wanted to see it.
Again you’re not paying attention if you think there wasn’t a rivalry between the Clegane brothers since the beginning. They were in a sword fight in season 1 and one would have certainly killed the other had Robert Baratheon not intervened and told them to stop. The Hound was clearly pissed at his brother the whole time. He relayed the story of how his brother stuck his face in a fire. It’s implied that the Mountain killed his father and sister. In season 7 he walked up to the Mountain and made it pretty clear in that confrontation that they’d fight one another in the future. I don’t see how anyone could think it was just fan service. You knew from the beginning that fight was going to happen. This was built up the entire time and didn’t just happen.
I, like many viewers/fans of the show, have felt this season has been rushed. Characters and stories have clearly been rushed to be tied up because of the limited time they were given and it is showing in the comments/reviews across the internet forums and social media.
With that being said, I have still enjoyed this season and I did enjoy E5 but I have to say I was severely disappointed in Dany's decision to nuke KL with her dragon. The battle was over and the enemy soldiers had completely surrendered; the city was hers. But apparently that wasn't good enough for her. She wanted so much to not be like the Mad King but all she has become is the Mad Queen and her actions have proven it. Time and again over the seasons she would be "for the people" and do whatever was necessary to gain their love and admiration. Well, nuking KL didn't help and has only driven a bigger wedge between her and whatever allies she has left (Jon and Tyrion mainly). I wonder who will be the one to ultimately kill her.
That's the whole point though Joe. The people in Westeros don't love her like in Essos. She's basically been living a lie believing that the people of Westeros would love her. She's just now realizing it and between that and those she has lost she snapped.
Agree with Joe Friday: It's all about the timing/rushing of this season's events. They have way too much story left to tell in too little time.
And I should make clear that I, too, am still enjoying the show. I'm just disappointed that what was a blisteringly great show for about 6 1/2 seasons is now just a really good show.
This sums up my feelings pretty nicely:
Agree with everyone that everything is rushed because of limited time, but still can't wait for Sunday night! :-)
I was wondering about Varys execution too though, everyone else was standing so close!
And the beginning, kind of overlooked because of all that came after, but seems like Varys was trying to get the little girl to help poison Dany. Didn't catch that until second time watching.
Thinking that Dany will kill Tyrion for betraying her by releasing Jamie, and then Jon and Arya who both saw the carnage from street level will work together to bring her down. Probably that was enough for Jon to set aside his honor. Not sure how they can do this with Drogon in the picture.
He's a Targaryan too. The dragon may not strike against him. And maybe he can walk through fire like Dany so it's breath would have no affect against him.
You can't expect perfection. Maybe the men moved out of the way before the dragon killed Varys. I don't let little stuff like that affect my enjoyment of the show.
I've read in some articles that Bran will sit the throne, but I was hoping for Sansa. She is the one quietly thinking ahead and taking the steps to protect people. Food, armor, etc.
I don't think anyone in the show really cares that Dany is Jon's aunt. His reasons for pulling away are because he sees her changing I think. Targaryans have always interbred in the books. He's all about honor and she is changing.
Same thing with people saying Cersei wouldn't take wine from Tyrion because she was pregnant. No one knew about that or cared back then. I think it was because the last person she saw him hand wine to was Joffrey. Even though she knows now it wasn't Tyrion who poisoned the cup, still she believed he was guilty for a long time, would make it hard for her to accept a cup from him.
That doesn't make sense for Bran to sit on the throne. He's refused to be called the Lord of Winterfell because of his 3 eyed Raven status. Why would he accept the Iron Throne?
For what it's worth, here are my thoughts.
I agree that this season feels rushed, probably bc it is, but c'mon...this is still a high quality production.
Indeed there has been inexplicable behavior from some of the characters, but hasn't expecting the unexpected been the MO of this series from it's inception?
At this point it "should" be obvious that Dany must regrettably die. I'm 99.99% sure she will, but bc it's G.O.T., I can't be 100% sure she will.
Based on the G.O.T. documentary teaser, it shows that Dany's demise could come in or near Winterfell, as Emelia Clarke's last scene looks like it had a snowy background in it. However, she didn't appear to be bloodied at all, and Drogon was nowhere in sight. But then he wouldn't be would he, as he is CG.
This is just a pure guess on my part, but I think at least one of the Stark girls does not survive (probably Arya). Tyrion will survive his "betrayal" of Dany. Jon will be the one to end Dany...somehow, and finally take the throne that he doesn't want.
Grey Worm looks like he is headed toward being killed off bc of his now irrational support of Dany. Sansa will remain Lady Stark of Winterfell. And Bran? It'll be interesting to see what they decide to do with him, bc I have no clue. And what of "Sir" Brienne of Tarth? Surely she will play a big part in the final episode.
It's possible that both Jon and Dany will not survive, perhaps leaving the throne open to Brienne, or some other highly honorable character like Sam. Also, I really want to see what becomes of Bronn and Yara, surely they can't just ignore these characters in the finale.
Yup, rushed for sure, still too much story to tell, and too many loose ends. But end it will. Still, I'm thankful that this show ever existed, best thing HBO has done alongside The Sopranos.
"And maybe he can walk through fire like Dany so it's breath would have no affect against him"
Way back when Jon saw his first Wight at Castle Black, he was badly burned while fighting it off. His hand/arm was injured for some time. So he is not impervious to fire. Or at least he was not at that time. Since then he has died and been resurrected, which in the realm of fantasy could arguably have changed something. But based on the information we have, there's no reason to believe he's fireproof.
Even if he isn't fireproof he had a connection with the dragons like Dany. He rode one which the average person could not.
Jon Snow is half-Targaryen and only Targaryens have a symbiotic link with the Dragons , the dragons sensed the Targaryen in him even before he knew he was one himself . From what I have heard HBO and George R.R. Martin wanted 10 seasons , but left it up to showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss who only planned 73 hours for some reason or the other . So if the last season seems rushed , which most fans think it is , you know where to put the blame . The only guess I have about the end is the 7 kingdoms disbanded getting self-rule and Jon Snow returning to the true north with the wildings .
Metsman- When has it ever worked out with the Mets and old players ? Through the first quarter of the season Cano has 3 HRs , rookie Alonso has 12 , Frazier is hitting .143 , Lowrie can't even get healthy enough to play and stunk in the minors before tweaking his hamstring . They're just wasting the talent of their young pitchers by surrounding them with has-beens because Alderson couldn't draft decent position players and they live within a set budget . For the salary of 2 or 3 of these shot old players they could've signed one young player who could've made a difference . It's very frustrating to watch them be their own worst enemy !
The episodes are longer so not sure why people think it’s rushed.
Ok so Cano is batting .261 after 130+ at bats and you deem it a bust... lol.... can we get half way through before you deem that... he’ll get 400 more at bats.
"The episodes are longer so not sure why people think it’s rushed."
Longer episodes don't always equate to quality episodes. And, unfortunately, that is the case for this season of GoT, in my opinion.
Talk about entitlement , some fans are so displeased with this season they are circulating an internet petition to redo the whole season . They may as well just close their eyes and wish real hard . It will have about the same effect .
I would rate that as one of the worst season finale ever in television history.
Oh stop.... it ended fine. The Starks were slapped around the whole series and lost so many of their own and end up ruling. Makes sense. And who better than Bran to rule the 6 kingdoms, Sansa to rule the North, and looks like Jon will probably rule the people beyond the wall. IDK what people were expecting. All Dany did the whole series was wipe people out that she deemed evil. She sealed her fate with Jon when she said it doesn't matter what people around the world think is good. She showed she was a dictator with her own world view and didn't care about anyone else's. I'm sure this was all George RR Martin's vision. If you think Benioff and Weiss made up this ending themselves that is laughable. Should there have maybe been 10 episodes instead of 6, sure that's a legitimate gripe. I liked the ending.
It wasn't the finale I was hoping for but I don't know what I wanted to happen either. I'm still trying to digest it all.
Yea Drogon melting the throne was great. I'm curious where he took Dany's body. There were rumors going around that she would become the Night Queen. Maybe there will be a spinoff telling that story.
Best image.. Dany walking forward with Drogon's wings open behind her. Reminded me of Maleficent.
Edmure Tully- why waste even 30 precious seconds on that guy?
Thank you. I am so glad I cancelled my HBO. Figured the shark had been jumped.
I think this season as a whole was kind of a mess, but I'm with Metsman on the finale. For me it went a pretty long way towards redeeming itself after last week's episode. Of course there are always nits to be picked, but overall I don't think they could have done a much better job of wrapping it all up.
True. And I'll say yet again, I don't have a problem with the *events* that happened in episode 5. The problem is that those events were so rushed that they didn't seem to come naturally. If these last two seasons had been normal 10-episodes seasons, so that all these exact same events had time to develop, everything would have been just fine. The story is fine. It's Benioff & Weiss's arbitrary decision to shorten the seasons that stinks.
I think part of the reason is they're doing the next Star Wars trilogy. Maybe they didn't want to commit to 10 episode seasons and prepare for that. IDK...
I called it with Jon returning north to the free folk and was one seventh right about the kingdoms becoming disbanded when Winterfell became self-ruling .The actor who plays Edmure Tully also played Brutus in the 2 seasons of HBO's Rome and was just as unlikable in that role also , if you liked GoT get both seasons of Rome from your local library - loosely based on history and had much more humor than Thrones . Bran's been in a dazed state the last two or three episodes now snaps out of it and wants to be king ? Storytelling to move the plot along I guess . It was a better ending than Avengers Endgame which was chock full of plotholes .
I can also envision a different ending for the books if Martin can stop complaining about his sports teams long enough to write them. Drogon takes Dany across the Narrow Sea back to Meereen and Daario who loves her and isn't related to her . Remember the Red Priestess of the Lord of Light Kinvara briefly introduced then forgotten ? She brings Dany back to life and her and Daario rule over Slaver's Bay and live a long happy life ending slavery in that part of the world forever .
Why would the books have a different ending? That's dumb. Obviously Martin told them what the ending is. They didn't just make it up.
Haven't they been off-book for some time now?
I think, Mets, you are to GoT, what I am to Star Trek. When you find yourself watching GoT actors like I watched Shatner in "White Commanche," then you should recognize you have a real problem there...….just remember...."Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown"
There have been differences between the show and source-material (books) throughout the many seasons so it is in the realm of possibility the ending that Martin writes for the books is different than the ending we were given in the show.
Good call on Rome. Good amount of Rome alumni main cast in GOT supporting roles. Cirian Hands, Tobias Menzies, Indira Varma.
Please tell me what book was made into a show or movie that had a different ending? Yes there are variances between books and live action but I've never heard of a show or movie having a different ending than a book.
Mets, you are such a joker. I mean you must be joshing us with that one..... Otherwise, I have to imagine that you married up in the brain department :>)
From George R.R. Martin himself .
Like I said SD variances. He's not going to end the books with Jon Snow being king. So get over it.
Mets, I killed my HBO before this season...….never read the books......so thanks for the insight, haven't a clue what you are talking about...but many a movie ends differently than the book. And one man's "variance" is another man's different ending.
Now can you tell me which stars did not get bent over a table? Was that in the books too? If there's artist's renderings, I may need a library visit :>)
The books aren't even written yet, but Metsman knows how they will end better than the author.
I just started watching GOT after recording 7 seasons when HBO had the free week recently. So, of course, now it is ruined for me. I also started reading the books at the same time. I have to say that Season 1 and Book 1 were pretty much true to each other. I've only read the first book so far, and am currently watching Season 4. The book did not have all that sex, it is implied mostly, and I didn't get the impression that there was any homosexual sex, although that was implied once (that I recall). The rapes & incest were in the book. I am thinking that each book (there are only 5) will correspond with a season, so that would mean Seasons 6, 7, & 8 have no basis from books and were dreamed up by the show's writers.
Lol so then how do you know the ending will be the same?
It was very apparent when they ran out of source material. The writing got worse and the plot lines and story arch for each character started making less and less sense. I’m glad it’s over. HBO is already cancelled on the ‘ole Roku.
"Seasons 6, 7, & 8 have no basis from books and were dreamed up by the show's writers." -Lonesome Dove
GRRM met with the writers of the HBO show and gave them the outline for all the characters and where they were going in his vision. It was then left up to the show-writers to fill in the blanks. This is a big reason why, in the end, the show and books could be different.
"The books may never get done. The guy is 70 something." -Metsman
He keeps swearing they will be done before he passes. I know a lot of people don't feel too confident in that especially since he has other projects he is involved in.
I'm sure there will be different things, but I highly doubt he's going to change it to where Jon Snow or Daenarys get the iron throne.
George R.R. Martin Defends Game of Thrones writers:
From Martin himself:
"How will it all end? I hear people asking. The same ending as the show? Different? Well… yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes. And no. And yes,' he cryptically said."
"Discussing the differences between the show and books, he also joked, 'How many children did Scarlett O’Hara have?' referring to the differences between Margaret Mitchell's novel Gone With the Wind and the successful film adaptation."
"As for the ending, he suggested, 'How about this? I’ll write it. You read it. Then everyone can make up their own mind, and argue about it on the internet.'"
"The author also made it clear that fans who have been waiting patiently for the last two books will be rewarded by learning what happened to several characters from the books who never made it to the HBO series. "
Horrible last episode. Didn’t anyone else feel the that the idea of a democracy and voting for Kings and Queens in medieval times is just ridiculous?
Please explain what you wanted to see Hadenough. The Starks ruling Westeros is fitting considering what they went through.
Metsman I have no idea what I wanted to see to be honest. Yes I agree about the Starks but the bottom line is I wasn’t entertained Sunday night and the reason I watch GOT is to be entertained.
I would agree it wasn't a great episode. It basically just tied up loose ends. I would have liked to see Grey Worm and Jon fight and some other battles, but I'm fine with how it ended.
It doesn't sound like Hadenough even watched the show to say something that ignorant .The King or Queen wields the ultimate power and mostly abided by the decisions of the small council and the Hand in charge of it that the KIng/Queen personally chose .To put it in modern terms the way the ruler was selected would be like born into the position (not elected) Governors of the country selecting the President with absolutely no voting from the citizens . Maybe Hadenough needs to watch those 73 hours again to actually get how it works - IN A FANTASY TV SERIES !
"The King or Queen wields the ultimate power and mostly abided by the decisions of the small council and the Hand in charge of it that the KIng/Queen personally chose" -97XBAM
hehe "mostly". [enter Joffrey]
97xbam ouch. So I am ignorant? People like you are exactly the reason I keep a low profile on this site and rarely offer an opinion. I’ll stick to restaurant reviews
Hadenough - I was out of line and apologize for my rude comment . Actually Samwell Tarly suggested a democracy and got laughed down by everyone else .Then Sansa Stark pulled Winterfell out of the 7 Kingdoms (now 6) right after - guess sister of the new king can do what she wants ???? After watching it again I agree with your points - showrunners Benioff and Weiss must be eager to move on to Disney and Star Wars . Sorry again for being a horse's ass and typing before thinking . I highly recommend the two seasons of Rome if you haven't seen them . Here's hoping the Deadwood movie ends that series good and proper after all this time .
Makes sense that the north would pull out. It's a different culture there than the south.
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