Game of Thrones

Any fans? OMG.. families wiped out :)


Wild episode!! Did you notice there was dead silence at the end - no music at all while the credits rolled. Great effect.


I thought the silent credits were a nice touch. Also I suggest reading that part in the book, it's worse if you can believe it.

AliciaStill AliciaStill
Jun '13

Missed the last episode, but am a big fan of the show ~

happy2bhere happy2bhere
Jun '13

Having read the book I was anticipating the Red Wedding. It was more dramatic and less brutal than the book, but overall well done. The one deviation from the book is King Robs young wife, whom i do not recall being at the wedding in the book. This to me implies a deviation from the storyline that will cause problems next season.

Looking forward to next week. Season three is making up for the lackluster performance of season two.

Just hopeful the next book comes out soon. Doubt if they can get away with the same overlap on TV that books 4 and 5 used to advance the story. (Or rather not advance it.)

Agust Agust
Jun '13

Robb's wife was completely different in the books. He only married her because he had relations with her. She was not present at the wedding, nor was she pregnant. She was also not from the free cities, she was from the Riverlands and her mother was present, disliked the match and was deliberately trying to get her away from Robb.

I read that George RR Martin was require to disclose material from future books in order for them to complete the series before the actors age too much. The series will be finished 7 seasons, before the books are released.

AliciaStill AliciaStill
Jun '13

I read the book a while ago and didn't remember Rob's wife being killed in the book. Thought it was just my memory but I'm glad you cleared that up August. I have yet to read the fourth book so I have yet to know what part his wife had after the red wedding, if any. And if I recall in the book Catelyn died a more dramatic "death". Loosing her sanity, screaming, clawing herself, etc. Is this correct?

villani villani
Jun '13

On the various forums, there are so many viewers swearing off of the show due to the brutal depiction of the massacre. These folks have obviously never watched Spartacus.

I was very shocked because I haven't read the books. Part of the shock was also that the massacre was a complete surprise and nothing really hinted at it. In season 2, you could see the climax of the battle at Blackwater building throughout the season. From what I have read online, there have been subtle hintsbut I'll admit, I didn't notice them (other than Rob reneging on his vow to the Freys).

Season 3 has so far been a mixed bag for me. It's moved extremely slow and some of the dialogue has not been as good as in the past. The massacre was at least a major turning point of the war. I just hope this show doesn't become another "Lost" -like show where things drag on and on.

For those that have read the books...can you tell me if we ever get to see Dani, her army, and the dragons start to kick some real as*? It's one of the better plot lines IMO.

emaxxman emaxxman
Jun '13

A lot of the deaths in the Red Wedding were way more dramatic and disgusting than depicted. I'm only on book 4 so I can't answer about Danerys yet. I can say that Arya's story is about to get very interesting.

I really hope they finish off the Season with Joffrey and Margery's wedding. That will be a nice way to end it. *evil grin*

AliciaStill AliciaStill
Jun '13

I've read Joffrey's wedding won't be until next season , with in fact book three taking up two whole seasons . Things move even slower in the books with some story lines left hanging and new characters being introduced . Hopefully they change that and they will have to if they want to wrap it up in seven seasons . At the pace Martin writes (6 years between fourth and fifth books) it's doubtful the last two books make it out before the series ends .

zombo zombo
Jun '13

I was really hoping the wedding would be the finale, that is so disappointing. I've been trying to space out how quickly I read the books, hoping that by the time I finish the 5th the 6th may be close to printed, but I am not holding out hope.

He's slow to develop things, I remember being told the show was in the works a really long time ago, when my friend was getting ready to have her first kid. He's in kindergarten now!

AliciaStill AliciaStill
Jun '13

Never read the books... just enjoying the show for being what it is....


One more episode of GOT then it's summer series like the last season of Dexter , True Blood , Breaking Bad , Falling Skies , new Stephen King 's Under The Dome , new SHO series Ray Donovan , new The Bridge on FX , and the usual Rookie Blue , Royal Pains , and Franklin and Bash . Can't say I watch all those but Dexter ,True Blood , and Falling Skies are guilty pleasures I never miss .

http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/06/05/ew-cover-dexter/

zombo zombo
Jun '13

Don't forget "The Killing" :)

http://www.amctv.com/shows/the-killing


I'd like to start watching Dexter. Falling Skies looks interesting too. I just finished watching Spartacus and with GOT ending, I'll need something to tie me over for the summer.

emaxxman emaxxman
Jun '13

Don't forget The Borgias on Showtime.

villani villani
Jun '13

Anyone still watching Game of Thrones? Just watched Season 4 - 2 and all I can say is Thank G-d!!

kayaking kayaking
Apr '14

I know!!! I am SO happy he is gone! What a great episode!!!! Loved the effects :-)

EG_1982 EG_1982
Apr '14

Yes, thank god. Could not stand that punk!!!
And Arya is the killer..poising that jerk!
Ok, just kidding..it wasn't Arya…wish it was though

villani villani
Apr '14

The absolute BEST drama on TV. Loved the Purple Wedding set up so many plot twists coming, Have to admit I will NOT miss King Joffery, but who will I hate now besides Roost, Tywin, Melesandra, Little Finger, the Cannibals from beyond The Wall, so many to choose from. I can not wait for the rest of the twists and turns and surprises this season, but TRULY hate that we'll have to wait till next April for the Next season,

JA Fan
Apr '14

I agree, JA Fan and Villani!!! I cursed him dead every time he was on!

Is anyone watching Black Sails or DaVinci's Demons? Also great shows!

kayaking kayaking
Apr '14

Great show... all the characters are played well


Tried to watch the 1st episode (episode 1) last night. No thanks. While I LOVE the era, love all things castles/nights/dragons, I have no interest in watching sibling incest, nudity for no purpose, and attempted murder of a child.

This show couldn't wash Gandalf's robe, or Bilbo's feet. LOL

Nothing against the actors- I'm a big Sean Bean fan, but I'm so sick of tv shows having to resort to sex and violence and corruption to get ratings. The more horrific, the better.

I also just watched the 1st episode of TURN last night- now there's a show that appears to have some promise. We'll see.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Apr '14

JR - for what its worth, i dont think its this TV show having to resort to sex and violence and corruption to get rating cause thats what the books are about... there's TONS of sex and violence in the books, even more so in my opinion... compared to the books the show is tame in my humble opinion (speaking of GoT only - there are a lot out there that do that, i agree)


Love Game of Thrones - Glad they offed Joffree - this early in the game.

The acting is the best - My favorite actor is Peter Dinklage - Tyrion Lannister.

htownnewbie htownnewbie
Apr '14

being one of the orginal d&ders out there, i love this show, read all of the books of course,

agree that GoT is a story without a lot of humor, LotRs tells it's story through the innocent chlid-like eyes of the Hobbits, and as they grow and become aware of the larger more dangerous world around them so do we as readers/viewers.

GoT is told in a typically 'British' way, it's not any one of the characters that we can get behind for the whole thing, but the realm survives. (England soliders on). Without the child-like wonder of the hobbits, sometimes GoT can seem a little maudlin, dry and heavy, it's true.

the producers could throw in a couple of scenes now and then that have some humor to them, that would contrast some of the heaviness of the rest of the story.

both are really great epics, and i can't wait for the next book in the series to come out.

BrotherDog BrotherDog
Apr '14

JR-- I am sorry you didn't give GoT more than one episode to decide that there was "no redeeming value " to the series. Agreed there is nudity, and other unpleasant scenes and plot lines, BUT they are only a part of the larger epic story told through MANY MANY characters, and situations. The story is fiction and fantasy, true, BUT, the human behavior as superbly acted by the cast, have ample examples in history( including the American Revolution as depicted in TURN ) and which I find in the news, and my neighborhood everyday. I don't see a real big difference in the character, values and motivation between Tywin Lannister wanting to regain the Kingdoms of the North and reunite the 7 kingdoms through strategic alliances and bullying) and Valdimir Putin wanting to round up the pieces of the old USSR by the same moves.

JA Fan
Apr '14

"GoT is LOTR for adults"

LOL. LOTR is one of the greatest stories EVER told- and not just for kids (despite the fact Tolkein wrote the Hobbit as a children's book). And that's not ME saying that, it's the WORLD saying that- that story has withstood the test of time, even w/o the movies re-igniting the interest. Let's wait 50 years and see if anyone even still remembers GoT, let alone is still reading it.

GoT is LOTR+Dynasty, with a little soft porn thrown in. No thanks.


Just watched the 1st episode of The Walking Dead... I'm NOT a horror or zombie/monster guy, but I must say, the first episode was interesting. Will watch more.

Have seen both episodes of TURN. Jury is still out... but so far, also very interesting.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Apr '14

My fiancé read all the Game of Thrones books and loved them. She begged me me to watch the show a few years ago and I watched the first two episodes. I thought, "this is way to violent for my taste", and refused to watch anymore. I am also a huge fan of Tolkien and read Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit two or three times. I've read all the appendixes of Lord of the Rings, which, if you read them you would know, is an entire story in itself. I even started reading The Silmarillion, but that is a much slower read.

That being said, she asked me for two years to give Game of Thrones another chance, and finally two years later, I gave in and we borrowed our friend's DVD's of the first two seasons. Well, once I started watching it and started getting into all of the numerous story lines, I couldn't stop watching it. Yes, I agree it is way to violent for my tastes and I wish it wasn't so (I admit I've shielded my eyes from the TV more than once), but the acting is so tremendous and the depth of the plot lines are so intense that we watched every episode and are now watching the new season.

This is not Lord of the Rings and should not be compared to it. There are no Dwarves (well, maybe Tyrion, but that's a different kind), no Elves, Wizards. It is entirely a different type of story. I am proof that you can be a fan of both types of works.


what is 'Turn'? what network is it on?

BrotherDog BrotherDog
Apr '14

TURN: the untold story of America's first spy ring (during the Revolutionary War) - on AMC

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Apr '14

http://www.amctv.com/shows/turn

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Apr '14

Wanted to watch TURN on demand but it is saying that I have to subscribe to get it. What day does it come on?

kayaking kayaking
Apr '14

Subscribe? Maybe they mean you have to already have whatever "cable package" the AMC channel is in... I watched Turn on demand, for free. But I also get AMC in my cable package.

It's had 2 episodes so far, I think it airs sundays (not sure)? So this sunday would be episode #3. I think you might be able to watch full episodes on the website I linked above.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Apr '14

I went on demand, hit watch and it is telling me that I need to pay for it. I certainly pay enough for all the cable I get, in which AMC is included so I'm not sure what this means.

kayaking kayaking
Apr '14

Me either. Call your cable provider and ask them.

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Apr '14

There must be a problem with Comcast. The same thing is happening to me. I called and they said everything is set up correctly and she couldn't figure out what was wrong. I had to get back to work, so I arranged to call back later.


As amazing as the Game of Thrones series is on HBO, the books are so much better. The books are able to go into so much more detail and give some amazing back story that HBO couldn't hope to capture based on their time constraints.
People that have read the books should try to be careful not to ruin anything for those just following the HBO series. I know you want to discuss the amazing storylines and character progression, but not at the expense of others enjoyment. If you feel you must discuss it maybe start with a spoiler alert. I have some opinions and speculation about what will happen in the upcoming book, but I will keep those to myself.
Tryion is by far my favorite character and Arya would be 2nd... Who's your favorite?

Superkind Superkind
Apr '14

Who are the brother and sister who are nailing each other? they're my favorite characters (especially the would-be child murderer brother)

;)

JeffersonRepub JeffersonRepub
Apr '14

The would be child murderer is Jamie Lannister, a fine choice. Sure he begins the story in an incestuous relationship relationship with his sister and he pushed young Bran Stark out of a window to hide that fact, but he also saved every man, woman, and child in King's Landing (the largest city in the seven kingdoms) from burning to death. Burning to death by the order of The Mad King Aerys II, a King that he was sworn to protect. So saving all of those children, by killing the king, cost him his reputation and earned him the title Kingslayer. A very conflicted character struggling on a path to redemption.

Superkind Superkind
Apr '14

For GoT fans the story mentioned of Ser Duncan the Tall in the Kingsguard Book is an actual tale George R.R.Martin wrote (happening 100 years before GoT) in parts (not done yet either) or more commonly known as Tales of Dunk and Egg . Read the first one of the three called The Hedge Knight and it is pretty good .

No adult scenes yet like the novels and tv series - just like LOTRS . But I''ve been thinking just where the hell do Hobbits and dwarves come form - asexual reproduction , eggs maybe ? There are NO women in that series except elves - none at all . It's like Alfalfa and Spanky and the he-man women haters wrote that series . And they all hang out with an old guy (Gandalf) just like the old perverts that always seem to end up training altar boys. Very weird !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_Dunk_and_Egg

http://ideas.time.com/2012/12/31/the-hobbit-why-are-there-no-women-in-tolkiens-world/

Zombo Zombo
Apr '14

Re: Game of Thrones

Saw this and just had to share it :)

happy2bhere happy2bhere
Apr '14

Plus, his sister is smoking hot and that little brat Bran was chick-blocking him. Super, you should start a spoiler thread to talk about the stuff that readers already know.

Gadfly Gadfly
Apr '14

Gadfly - Like possibly discussing the identity of Jon Snow's mother and any implications that my have down the road?
I'm just looking forward to Sunday night's episode .... Hands of gold are always cold...

Superkind Superkind
Apr '14

cool map

http://www.sermountaingoat.co.uk/map/versions/speculative_map.jpg

skippy skippy
Jun '14

Loved this season, the complicated story lines, the superb acting, the old and now new questions, some answers, AND now the horrible long wait till next year for the next season. My friend is reading the books and watching the series at the same time. I have asked her not to spoil it for me, and for the most part that has worked. She tells me the book is different or in a different order, but we both love the series on it's own. I have ideas for where people and plots are going, and can't wait to find out how wrong I was. Watch a lot of series and think this is one of the very best.

JA Fan
Jun '14

What does everyone think of the battle of the wights (the reanimated dead) and the White Walkers against the Wildings/Knight's Watch in last night's episode ? Been waiting for that since the season two ending . It was totally awesome !

http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/05/31/game-of-thrones-white-walkers-attack-season-5-episode-8-recap/

Zombo Zombo
Jun '15

Yeah, it was a great scene. I loved watching the giant fight the wights, and the end when the ww reanimated all of the fallen wildlings.

Gadfly Gadfly
Jun '15

So only the white walkers can be killed by dragon glass? And the zombie things are killed like regular zombies?lol

Philliesman Philliesman
Jun '15

And was the implication that the John Snow's sword was dragon glass or some mythical metal (because it didn't break when hit with the ww's ice sword?)

emaxxman emaxxman
Jun '15

Yes, that was the implication.
Valyrian steel, also called dragon steel.
perhaps some actual dragons can also take on the White Walkers...

smatt
Jun '15

The making of The Battle of Hardhome ;

http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/behind-the-scenes-battle-of-hardhome

Zombo Zombo
Jun '15

HBO has released the trailer for season 6 . Looks absolutely awesome !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuH3tJPiP-U

Zombo Zombo
Mar '16

Everyone should expect a slew of meme's with the catch phrase.

"I choose violence."

Agust Agust
Mar '16

If you want to get in the mood for the new season Bex in Califon is having a Game of Thrones inspired night called "Dinner is Coming". I'm very disappointed that I have to miss this one.
http://www.bexkitchen.com/supper-club.html


Hold The Door ! So totally awesome . I like that as much as I do the teenage Spider-Man intro theme song , Left Hand Free .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNMsa3Dyto4

Zombo Zombo
May '16

Re: Game of Thrones

Ha ha ha.

emaxxman emaxxman
May '16

I am too cheap to pay for HBO, but have always wanted to see this. Is there any way I could start to watch from Season 1? Is the series on Netflix or Hulu?

hktownie hktownie
May '16

And his brother: Stopdabus

Spoiler guess: Brienne and Tormund hook up and in the next generations, giants withy Scottish accents rule the land.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
May '16

Partway thru the battle of the bastards... wtf?! Just have to post that. I'm sure it will make sense in the end.

maja2 maja2
Jun '16

Yes. Finally

maja2 maja2
Jun '16

Glad a certain someone died at the end.


I watch them all from dvd's from the Free public library, but I'm always a season behind.

Weedwacker Weedwacker
Jun '16

Now that's how you wind up a season! Next week I hope it's sparrow season! Then we can bring fashion back to The Westerlands!

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Jun '16

I was completely speechless during Battle of the Bastards. Hands down, best TV episode I have seen in eons. Feed the hounds.

Jazzykatt Jazzykatt
Jun '16

The best episode of the season. Speechless as well...

will little finger Marry Sansa and become Lord of Winterfell himself? Then he’ll control the Vale and the North????

htownnewbie htownnewbie
Jun '16

My vote is for Jon Snow & Daenerys to rule it all together.

maja2 maja2
Jun '16

If the rumor of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark being Jon's real parents is true that would make them aunt and nephew .Yuck ! Don't need anymore inbred mad Targaryen kings coming from that union . Daenerys' father (the mad king) and mother were sister and brother , so she might not be wrapped too tight herself - her brother certainly wasn't . The inbred hillbilly Frey clan is enough for one kingdom !

http://winteriscoming.net/2016/02/10/who-is-rhaegar-targaryen-and-why-does-he-matter/

Zombo Zombo
Jun '16

Can't forget the incestual relationship between Jamie and Cersei! Lots of incest within the Seven Kingdoms and beyond lol

Joe Friday Joe Friday
Jun '16

Two of those kids are dead , Joffrey and Myrcella . If the witch who told a young Cersei her 3 kids would die before her is right the wimpy king Tommen is not long for the world .

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Maggy

Zombo Zombo
Jun '16

Snow is doomed. You can't be a zombie without something bad happening. That's rule number one in Bruce Campbell's Evil Dead handbook.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Jun '16

Not a zombie because his flesh isn't rotting . Was brought back like Beric Dondarrion with some combination of religion/magic . The Mountianstein though looks like a big hunk of rotting meat . I expect the body count to rise next week , especially if Cersei is planning on igniting the mad king's stash of wildfire under the Sept . When all is done Lady Mormont will rule the seven kingdoms . She sure gave Ramsay Bolton the old stink eye during the Snow/Bolton meeting !

http://mashable.com/2016/06/20/game-of-thrones-lyanna-mormont-shade/#OcMOPrlllZqO

Zombo Zombo
Jun '16

Did anyone watch the season 7 premier? Pretty predictable. Knew Arya would do something like that !

With only 6 more episodes left to go in season 7 and 12 total left for the show, they will need to pick up the pace.

hktownie hktownie
Jul '17

Really like the show. Get a bit lost at times.
Give me 3 dragons anf I'd win, game (show) over. Unless that lil' man got sumtin up his sleeve.

Roywhite Roywhite
Jul '17

I thought it was great that they "touched base" with where all of the characters were, basically picked right up from last season. @hktownie - yes, they do need to pick it up! I'll give them credit for the fact that Daenerys made it to land in the first episode when they could have dragged it out. ;)

somechik somechik
Jul '17

thoughts on Sansa ? Is she a potential Cersi in training?

I thought it was great start!

htownnewbie htownnewbie
Jul '17

What is with Sansa's voice? I don't remembering it being SOOO nasally like she has a cold. I found it distracting. I really liked her line about Jon needing to be smarter than Ned or Rob though, very insightful. She does seem smarter than Rob and she should be ruler of the north IMO. Maybe Rob dies and that's what next for her. I don't see Sansa as being another Cersei, but I do see her ruling the North for sure.

Ayra's ability is completely over powered if you think about it. She could take over Westeros easily without dragons, while killing the least amount of people.

The Dany stuff I found boring. That whole scene of her at Dragonstone was way too drawn out and, in my opinion, missed the mark. I was watching the 'behind the episode' and one of the creators was said how this was supposed to be such a monumental moment for Dany and that no words were necessary. I think they did a bad job of conveying the weight of the moment or Emilia Clarke is just a bad actress - because I didn't get it. Also seeing Ayra's power, I think Ayra is more powerful than Dany.

And more from the wasted time department was the fat guy at the citadel. The bed pan montage was completely unnecessary and when you only have 7 episodes why waste time on that? The whole citadel thing 'climaxes' with the fat guy stealing keys from an 80 year old who was sleeping. OOOOH how dramatic. He wasn't even careful to be quiet about grabbing the keys, probably because the 80 year old dude was half deaf to begin with. What a time waster, that whole part should have been like 2 minutes tops.

The most interesting story line to me is The Hound, I always like a good redemption story. He portrays the torment of a guilty past while trying to move forward in a different direction, but not really being sure what that direction is, very well. It might be too formulaic, but I can't help thinking that The Hound and his brother's path are destined to cross again with The Hound defeating his brother and saving the day in some heroic fashion....but this is GoT so probably when it happens The Hound will die LOL.

Oh and I almost forgot, the Ed Sheeran scene. Talk about monumental time wasting in a show that moves at a snail's pace to begin with! /eyeroll

Scottso Scottso
Jul '17

NY times said something like- the first thing you need to mount a rebellion is a sexy map. :-D

Sansa's voice was always nasally, I've noticed it before. She's smart and she's through being a victim. I don't think she'll let Littlefinger manipulate her, he screwed her over big time once before. Right now she's one of the less predictable characters, I like that we'll get to see her unfold a bit.

And you're right John Snow still "knows nothing".

Cersei is still fighting the war that's already over. And she's drinking alot of wine, maybe that will take her down.

Arya is my favorite. She's tough and dangerous and she doesn't forget. She'll need the Hound to fight his brother so she can get to Cersei I think.

Can the dragons make dragon glass just by breathing on sand or rocks? Why transport it? Just bring em where you want it to be and let them make it.

hktownie hktownie
Jul '17

No, I took Dragon Glass to be a separate mineral - which there is a ton of under Dragonstone.

Scottso Scottso
Jul '17

I've never been so happy to be out of the pop culture loop than when Ed Sheeran was on! I had no idea who he was and I still don't know or care, so the stunt cast went right over my head, I just thought they found an actor with a better singing voice than they normally cast.

@Scottso I enjoyed your review and agree, though, I like the episode as a whole, that the citadel bed pan montage was totally unnecessary.

somechik somechik
Jul '17

10 minutes! Who was that woman in preview and who was she stabbing!!??

Scottso Scottso
Jul '17

Episode 3 was so much better than episode 2, thankfully!

That exchange with Tyrion and Jon on the cliffs about brooding was absolute gold!

Scottso Scottso
Jul '17

Agreed, episode 3 was terrific.

And apparently dragon glass is obsidian? I think I heard that mentioned?

Rebecka Rebecka
Jul '17

Love that they are moving this season along quickly! It's great to see the story lines that have been building finally come to a head. Olenna Tyrell completely owned that scene. :)

somechik somechik
Jul '17

somechik.. yes agree about Olenna Tyrell. If she had been a man the Tyrell's would still be around, no doubt! How she produced that fool of a son is a good question.

I sooo want something bad to happen to Littlefinger. His greasy voice gives me the creeps.

Kind of ambivalent about Ellaria Sand. She was not someone to get sympathy- temper temper traitor traitor. Still that was a horrible way to get even.

And Jorah.. yes! We like him.

hktownie hktownie
Jul '17

Must say last night's episode was one of the best yet, waiting for daenery to bend a new to Jon Snow

Forcefed4door Forcefed4door
Aug '17

agreed. The only bad thing about Game of Thrones is having to wait until next week. I want it now!!! lol

gotGOT?
Aug '17

Great episode! any thoughts on Little finger - giving Brandon the Dagger? and Brandon's response abt "Ladder of Chaos?

is Little Finger on Arya's list?

And the ending!!! is this the end for Jaime Lannsiter????????????????

htownnewbie htownnewbie
Aug '17

I've been wondering about armor meets water ever since Brienne of Tarth took Jamie in a boat in season 3. But Bronn lost his bag of money, maybe he'll try to save Jamie to be sure he'll get paid.

The 3 eyed raven knows all...
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/08/07/game-of-thrones-why-brans-chaos-is-a-ladder-callback-to-littlefinger-is-important
The line is a callback to the Season 3 episode, “The Climb.” Littlefinger used the phrase while talking to Varys. They stood by the Iron Throne, and while discussing the many blades that make it a supremely uncomfortable seat, Littlefinger told Varys, “Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder.” Varys advocated for peace and order as the best way to move forward, but Littlefinger saw the disarray of the realm as a chance for men like him to climb upward. The title of the episode referred to Jon Snow and the wildlings ascending the Wall, but it wasn't the only climb in play.

hktownie hktownie
Aug '17

Please don't let this be the end for Jamie...

Rebecka Rebecka
Aug '17

Jamie hurt my sweet patootie --- what about the dragon. Jamie's weird, dragon's are hot.

I mean sure, he's got armor on, only one hand, but watch Jamie walk on water....somebody shot a street lamp into the dragon.

The list is in the lockbox....Al Gore has the key. But the answer is everyone is one the list. Makes it easy to say: hey, they were on the list...

Ladder of Chaos --- deep nod to a deep nod. A number of quote redux for the night.

Cersei without is body double, that's the important stuff.

Best line of the night for me was Tyrion saying something about killing white walkers or.....in the proper vernacular --- stopping them. He just rolls those off-liners off in a stream. If you hum Dinklage, Peter, Dinklage over and over during the opening credits, you can see the song was written to be sung in his name, Love that pin.

Yes, best season ever if just because I don't have to keep asking the kids "who is that?" Getting a little more black hat, white hat which is much easier to follow. And (like Russians) no one likes zombies. Sometimes simpler is better.

strangerdanger strangerdanger
Aug '17

I have no idea what all that meant. Sometimes simpler is indeed better.

Rebecka Rebecka
Aug '17

StrangerDanger Mother of Dragons and Breaker of Threads

scottso scottso
Aug '17

Arya made a mistake letting Littlefinger see her fight. He's plotting how to make use of it.

hktownie hktownie
Aug '17

Interesting point. Bet you're right.

Rebecka Rebecka
Aug '17

Re: Game of Thrones

This was the episode where Mets pitcher Noah (Thor) Syndergaard had his cameo as an extra . He played a Lannister soldier who threw a spear that took down a Dothraki horse . Blink and you missed it .

97XBAM 97XBAM
Aug '17

Hktownie - thanks for the link and the clarification ...

Arya now has the dagger- I'm hoping she uses the dagger - I would enjoy the demise of little finger...

Will Jon snow bend the knee?

htownnewbie htownnewbie
Aug '17

My mistake , the spear hit a Dothraki rider not his horse .

http://deadspin.com/heres-noah-syndergaards-cameo-on-game-of-thrones-1797591010

97XBAM 97XBAM
Aug '17

I really think in due time, daenery will be the one bending the knee.

Forcefed4door Forcefed4door
Aug '17

Full dragon battle scene below . Syndergaard around the 1:21-23 minute mark .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yehoQilXYrM

97XBAM 97XBAM
Aug '17

I have not read the books so here is my prediction based on different articles that I have read. Of course, the show has deviated from the books as well so who knows.

Jamie is alive will be the one that kills Cersei
- there was a prophecy about how Cersei dies...and they've been building up the redemption of Jamie for a while now.

Jon and Dany are related and will rule Westeros together...remember the flashback of Ned "almost" rescuing his sister in the tower. We're all led to believe that Jon is Ned's bastard son but Ned never talked about Jon's mother. There was also an episode where they refer to a Targaryeon but then the camera switches to Jon's face.

Minor stuff:
Sansa kills Littlefinger
Arya saves the Hound from the Mountain

emaxxman emaxxman
Aug '17

I'm really warming up to Sansa, hope she wins it all.

Jon is such a dolt, although seemed a little more with it this episode - not much. The episode in the cave was underwhelming. Why did Jon have to make Dany walk what seemed like miles, alone, just to see that? He couldn't have just told her? I didn't think it was that amazing of a site. Were they trying to build sexual tension between Jon and Dany?

I miss The Hound!

done with little finger & varys, don't care what happens to either of them

glad to see bran less lobotomized then last episode. To see the three stark kids together again was awesome

scottsco scottsco
Aug '17

I'm pretty positive they answered the John - Targarian thing at the end of last season. Ned's sister, who got raped by Danyris' father, asked Ned to never tell who Jon's real father was, so Ned just said he was his.


Qyburn who takes him out? He has a kindly face but he's the one giving Cersei all the tools she needs. And is the rest of the ground under the city still loaded with wildfire?

I think the question was left open about Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar. Maybe she loved him. Who could love Robert? Bit of pig really.

hktownie hktownie
Aug '17

I'm betting the arrows from the Scorpion were poisoned and Drogon the dragon will die , then get reanimated by the Night King . What would a zombie dragon emit ? Blue/white Mr. Freeze freezing flame , fast moving icicle projectiles , horrendously bad breath ?

97XBAM 97XBAM
Aug '17

I think last nights episode was disappointing in comparison with last weeks episode. I know there's just so much violence and blood shed -

Not sure how a small band of fighters will fare with the white walkers...

next week should be interesting

Is Arya playing little finger???

htownnewbie htownnewbie
Aug '17

I hope Arya is playing him, she's so good at reading people now. But Sansa and Arya didn't get along when they were kids, potential blind spot?

Davos as smuggler was a great scene, can see why he used to be so good at it.

I really want to see someone else get to ride a dragon. Anyone else read Anne McCaffrey?

DH and I trying to figure out who in that group won't be coming back. They have a priest who brings people back from the dead. But Jon and one-eye guy have both been brought back before. Hound and Jorah were as good as brought back too.. how many times can you die/almost die and come back? We hope at least Jon, Tormund, Jorah and the Hound survive it. Jon has to after Gilly's big find. Tormund is too much of a character to lose. Jorah I just missing hearing him say 'Khaleesi' in that voice. Pretty sure the Hound has something to do at the end.

hktownie hktownie
Aug '17

In the books every time Beric Dondarrion was brought back from the dead he lost more of his memories and was less himself . If not every one of the Westeros Magnificent Seven team up doesn't make it back alive from north of the Wall , I'm guessing any combination of Beric , Thoros of Myr , and Jorah .The last time Jorah said goodbye to Dany seemed final and it makes little sense to the story line to kill off any of the other four .

97XBAM 97XBAM
Aug '17

My prediction is that Littlefinger will kill Ayra. It's totally something that GoT would do.

scottsco scottsco
Aug '17

I was wrong . It's Viserion who became the zombie dragon not Drogon . It looks like the Night King has found his way to get over the wall . A shame there is only one episode left .

97XBAM 97XBAM
Aug '17

Seriously?! It's Wednesday and no one is talking about this?!

I really loved this season, so many story lines coming to a head that were started in Season 1. I can't believe we have to wait, potentially, until 2019 for the final season!

somechik somechik
Aug '17

I like the show and am certainly looking forward to next season but I feel it has lost some of it's luster.

Jon and Dany REALLY get on my nerves. I feel like them hooking up makes zero sense and the only reason I can see it is for 'fan service'. For the women fans.

Kit is a horrible actor and reminds alot of Nicholas Cage or Keanu Reeves. He has one look/emotion and that's it.

Dany's character started out great but is now just meh. She doesn't come across as a bad ass at all, but the entertainment articles keep saying she is. She doesn't seem that special.

That sex scene was bad imo. Greyworm's scene was much better and he doesn't have all his parts LOL. Heck - Jon's scene in the cave with the wilding woman was way hotter and had more feeling than the boat scene with Dany. I can only attribute that to the different actresses. I believed Jon and the wilding woman were in love. I'm not feeling it all with J&D.

Enough with Cersei already, so one dimensional.

Is Bran really the Night King? What deal did Tirion really make with Cersei? Does anyone care anymore? LOL.

scottso scottso
Aug '17

Cersei Lannister is the Hillary Clinton of Westeros

this is the best season so far hands down,

Dany and Jon getting together was obvious since i read the 1st book in the series almost 15 years ago

Jon not being a bastard bu tbeing the legitimat heir to the iron throne was also a logical guess in this story line.

imho the attraction between the two of them has been developed very well by their prior interactions, the bed scene was predictable, maybe they toned it down a bit for more family oriented viewing, haven't; seen a floppy wiener on screen in some time now, maybe the producers got the message on that from south park , who knows? anyways i think its a good trend as in my view they overdid that stuff in the first few seasons, but that's just me

Bran is the NIght King ?? i don't think so, but who knows? maybe you're right,
I think he is the new wise man of that universe, the three-eyed raven with special gifts and powers, i 'm thinking he probably goes up to be part of the root of the big tree at the north pole, (as is similar in Viking mythology - the big tree with the roots that mid-earth revolves around)

anyways i love the little conversations between the characters , good stuff, good writing,

BrotherDog BrotherDog
Aug '17

BD, maybe you think jon and dany were developed well because you read the book and are mixing some of that into what's in the show? I didn't read the book, well actually I started to and as soon as Ned Stark died I was like WTF and stopped reading it. So I'm pretty much going only on the show and don't know anything about the real story in the books.

scottso scottso
Aug '17

Jon and Dany, to me, comes down to the lack of chemistry between the two actors, but from a storytelling perspective it is pretty perfect. They are setting up a classic conflict because when they learn Jon's true parentage it is going to turn both characters' worlds upsidedown!

Jon has based his entire worldview on being a bastard, while Dany has based her entire worldview on being the most rightful heir to the throne. When they learn that Jon is actually the true heir, it's going to have huge political and personal ramifications. And btw - white walkers in the middle of all that!!!

somechik somechik
Aug '17

Lots of loose ends tied up in predictable ways. But that's ok since we have to wait so long for season 8. An unexpected cliffhanger would have been mean.

Love Sansa and Arya taking down Little Finger. Yes!
Jamie finally had it with Cersei. Yes!
I hope Tormund got away from the Wall in time to tell the tale.
Nice to see Bran back in the show, he needed some story time.
Night King? idk but that guy seems to have plans and more resources than we knew.
Looks like the Clegane Bros will have it out in season 8 and Cersei will be there til the bitter end.
Theon suddenly has a pair even though he doesn't. Too late really.

Tyrion, what is up with you? Seemed like he stopped being clever this season. Is he going to betray Dany for the sake of a maybe fictional niece or nephew?
Did Bron and Podrick ever come back from that drink?
Where is Gendry?
Where is Sir Davos?
J&D agree with scottso. I don't really care what they do, seems forced.
Why was Brienne there at all since Jon was there?
Interesting that every major character with battle experience is away from Winterfell and the army of the dead looks to be headed that way.

hktownie hktownie
Aug '17

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4836964/Game-Thrones-fans-claim-Bran-Stark-Night-King.html

I was disappointed in this final episode and don't want to wait for another 18mos for the next series....

And how abt the Zombie Dragon? Great effects

htownnewbie htownnewbie
Aug '17

Brienne was there because Sansa sent her after receiving a summons from Cersei.

scottso scottso
Aug '17

I missed something I think. The children of the forest created the night king to protect them from men? Then how come the night king and wights were willing to attack the children of the forest. Was it an experiment that went amok?

hktownie hktownie
Aug '17

Bran's ancestor Brandon (Stark) The Builder (of the Night's Watch) who built the Great Wall is rumored to be the Night King not the three eyed Raven young Brandon Stark . And I would hope Jon (Aegon Targaryen) doing his Aunt (Daenerys Targaryen) wouldn't be all that hot . The book story stopped a couple of seasons ago , but the online rumors on Yahoo of Sam curing Jorah of greyscale , a dragon turning into an undead wight . and Arya killing Littlefinger with his own dagger were all true . Don't go on Yahoo and read all the GoT spoilers if you want to avoid them . If you do you'll know how season eight ends long before it is telecast . Except maybe for the first season of Survivor , no one can keep a secret anymore .

97XBAM 97XBAM
Aug '17

Cersei Lannister is the Hillary Clinton of Westeros

BrotherDog BrotherDog
Aug '17

Brother dog,

Why do you feel the need to ruin a friendly thread with your political bile? Its pathetic.

Gadfly76 Gadfly76
Aug '17

no bile was used , just a sense of humor which you so sorely missed, it's funny, that's all

BrotherDog BrotherDog
Aug '17

You can put me down for not getting the humor as well

Common Sense
Aug '17

@ hktownie

Yes it was a gamble by the Children of the Forest during their war against humans to create the Walkers , who ultimately wanted themselves and their undead wights to be the only creatures in all of existence .

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Children_of_the_Forest

97XBAM 97XBAM
Aug '17

It wasn't funny or clever the first time you wrote it BD, and then you had to write again a half dozen posts later like a 8 year old boy looking for attention. There is quite enough political anger going around, thank you very much.

Gadfly76 Gadfly76
Aug '17

well it is funny, but i guess not to a die hard ideologue like yourself who clearly has no sense of humor, sorry you don't get it, it's not that big a deal, why are you trolling me all the time? you need a new hobby, what's your obsession? it was a joke that's all, it was funny that's all, you don't like the joke, ok that'd be one opinion, you're entitled to it, move on, but these personal attacks are unwarranted, and you use them all the time, you can back off now, you made your point,

in my view Cersei Lannister is the Hillary Clinton of Westero. Cersei fits the nasty , vindictive, vengeful Hillary image pretty good, and that's funny, you don't like it, ok, i got it, message received, that's your opinion. maybe learn how to laugh a little bit, you'll live longer, . seesh.

BrotherDog BrotherDog
Sep '17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQxjyRr9k2E

Good movie for the men and Game of Thrones fans will recognize the lead.


Favorite line.. 'my eyes were always blue!'

hktownie hktownie
1 week ago

The show is SO cringey now. Actually, it has been that way since season 5. I’m watching only because, at this point, I have to see how it ends.

Consigliere
1 week ago

My favorite line:

Varys: You take great offense at dwarf jokes, but love telling eunuch jokes. Why is that?

Tyrion: Because I have balls, and you don't.

looking forward to the next episode!

htown newbie htown newbie
1 week ago

Favorite line:

Sansa: What do dragons eat anyway?
Khaleesi: Whatever they want.

thomasnj thomasnj
1 week ago

Sad to see Tyrion as the only one in Winterfell who actually believes Cersei is sending her army to fight the Walkers and the army of the dead . When gullible Sansa calls you stupid - you are stupid ! Hopefully the writers are setting up some sort of ploy for Tyrion , but right now he looks small and I don't mean his height .


97X, I hope so too but I have a feeling they aren't setting up a ploy/scheme. I think Tyrion wants so badly to believe his sister has finally come to understand what is happening that he is letting his guard down. A lot of speculation rests on Cersei killing Tyrion and Jamie then killing Cersei. Of course, it is only speculation.

Joe Friday Joe Friday
7 days ago

Tyrion thinks she's pregnant and he's letting that cloud his thinking about her motives. Her children have been her one and only soft spot. I doubt she's pregnant, just trying to manipulate her brothers any way she can.

Read an interesting comment about Jon Snow yesterday. On finding out who his parents are. First reaction- Ned Stark is the most honorable man I've ever known and he lied to me my whole life? Not- uh oh I just got out of bed with my auntie.

And about Arya and Gendry- Robert did say his son would marry Ned's daughter. Could this be that?

hktownie hktownie
7 days ago

Bronn will kill Cersei.

Philliesman Philliesman
7 days ago

Robert was referring to Sansa and Joffrey when he said that , why would he want Ned's highborn daughter to marry his illegitimate offspring ? Cersei drinks a lot of wine for someone supposedly with child . In the A Feast For Crows book the woods witch Maggy The Frog told her she would have three children so if she is preggers this kid won't be born . She also told a teenaged Cersei that she would be killed by a younger brother , but I'm pretty sure they left that part out of the tv series . At least it's not on the youtube clip , so the HBO writers may have a different ending planned for her than the books . If those last two books are ever finished .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcDQlhdWsAE


I doubt Cersei is preggers as well; my bet is she is using it as a ploy to further manipulate everyone. Jamie is a good example although he called her bluff and was like "see-ya" and headed to Winterfell.

I give Samwell a lot of credit for the way he handled Jon when telling him in the crypts. There's no telling how he would've reacted and Jon was visibly shaken and no knowing what to do. His whole life was just shattered and the one man he knew to be the most honorable turned out to not be (by lying to him). I can't wait to see how he handles this news going forward. And does he tell Daenerys?

Now that Gendry is back in the fray and not just endlessly rowing, I have to believe he has a bigger role than just being a blacksmith forging weapons to battle the Whitewalkers. I could see him and Arya realizing the love they have for each other but I don't see him ruling on the Iron Throne though.

Joe Friday Joe Friday
7 days ago

Is this the final season? I haven't watched a minute of the show and want to wait until it's completely over to binge watch the whole thing.

ianimal ianimal
7 days ago

I don't think it would be a good idea for Jon to distract Daenerys before the big battle with the dead army . If she gets killed , like several fans seem to think , she'll never have to learn she was sleeping with her nephew and it would become a moot point . Notice how Bran said Jon wasn't his brother ? He's now a cousin to Bran, Sansa , and Arya . A lot of awkwardness in store for Jaime next week confronting Bran and the daughter of the mad king he killed , let alone the rest of the northerners that hate him , which would be all of them .

Yup , it's the last season with 5 more episodes - the last one airing on May 19th .


97X I know Robert didn't mean that, he didn't even know about Gendry, but it's a possible case of a prophetic line coming back around again, maybe. I have a son, you have a daughter.. no names were mentioned.

Be interesting to see how much Samwell let's his feelings about the death of his dad and brother affect his pushing Jon to take the throne from Daenerys. Might have been ok if it was just the horrible father who was killed, but the brother?

And yes! Jamie has some big 'splainin' to do! Maybe the immediate urgency of the Walkers almost there will help move it along.

Anyone remember which season and episode had the Cersei prophecy? I want to watch that part again.

hktownie hktownie
7 days ago

Now that Bran is the Three-Eyed Raven, I'll be surprised* if he cares very much about what Jaime did to him in the past. Daenerys is a whole different story, though.

*That said, this show surprises me on a regular basis, so who knows?


The Cersei prophecy was in season 5 episode one . Interesting that the witch told her the King will have 20 children , you will have three . Brienne can vouch for Jaime , I would say Tyrion could try , but they hate him too . I'm betting Bran forgives him and Jaime makes the case that killing the mad king saved many more lives and ended Robert's Rebellion much earlier . I doubt Jon comes clean as a Targaryen to help since the northern lords are none too happy with him for giving up his kingship to bend the knee to the queen of dragons . Supposedly Sansa gets into a huge argument with Daenerys - should be fun !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wars_to_Come


last night was definitely the calm before the storm. a lot of "finality" it seems with the characters we have come to know which i think will speak of ultimately what is to come in the war with the Night King. as much as i am looking forward to the rest of the season i'm also not because of the potential casualties we are going to witness. it's going to be brutal no question.

and Tormund FTMFW.. love that man! lol "is the big woman still here?"

Joe Friday Joe Friday
1 day ago

Now Dani knows who Jon really is. Going to be interesting what happens now that she knows.

Metsman Metsman
1 day ago

Mets, agreed! now that she knows he is the rightful heir, will she step aside from her claim to the throne if they survive the war? personally, i don't think she can or will. i'm still waiting for the aunt-nephew realization to hit them lol

Joe Friday Joe Friday
1 day ago

Interesting backstory on the song that Podrick sung and then was used again in the closing credits... https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/4/21/18510272/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-2-jennys-song-jon-daenerys-targaryen-florence-the-machine

thomasnj thomasnj
1 day ago

A faithful watcher, had HBO just for GOT.

After last season, I dropped HBO and have not missed GOT one little bit. Jumped the shark IMHO. I mean are there any tables left to bend someone over?

strangerdanger strangerdanger
1 day ago

Ugh, the cringe continues.

1.So many gratuitous “female power” moments that seem so shoehorned-in just for political sake. Every man portrayed, save for one or two, is either physically or mentally challenged. The mountain is not quite human, Jamie has one hand, Tyrion is a little person, Greyworm is a eunuch, the other bald guy who’s an adviser is a eunuch, the iron islands pirate guy is a creepy sex-driven borderline rapist, Braun-same thing, the Hound has facial deformity, Sam is an ultra-beta who took care of another mans baby in previous seasons, Brandon Stark is wheelchair bound and is now creepy AF, and the list goes in and on. If the male characters are “whole” they’re always a bit bumbling until a female character corrects and “saves” them from their stupitidy. Leanna Mormont and aria are these great warriors now? Give it a rest.

2. The depth of the characters is no longer there. Each of them (other than Joffrey) were different blends of good and evil and since the show stopped following the books (season 4?) characters are now either good OR evil. There’s no internal struggle the viewer has as to whether or not to support certain characters. They’re either good guys or bad guys which is way too simplified and not at all interesting.

3. Some ideas/practices/dogma of that world that was so well established just vanishes to make the storyline easier to write. A great example was Theon returning to Winterfell. In earlier seasons treason and abandoning your post was an instant death sentence. Theon returns to Winterfell like nothing happened? Sure he saved Sansa after capturing Winterfell and killing its people but seasons ago that wouldn’t have mattered in the least. Theon should have been executed.

4. IMO itbwent from one of the best TV shows OF ALL TIME to a “just ok” medieval fantasy story. It’s sloppy and written lazy. It no longer transports me mentally into another world through the dialog. I’m fully aware at every turn I’m watching the standard Hollywood BS. From last night’s episode: “He made mistakes but he owns it.” Owns it? Thats a modern colloquialism only really gaining prevalence in the last 5-10 years.

Show stinks but as I mentioned before, I’m in 7 seasons deep so I have to finish it out.

Consigliere
1 day ago

Jon Snow is the alpha male in the show now. It's pretty obvious he'll end up ruling Westeros. Brought back from the dead, is really a Targaryen, on a chosen one type path. I'd be shocked if it ends any other way.

Metsman Metsman
1 day ago

See that's the thing Mets, i don't think he wants to rule Westeros.. i don't think he wants to rule at all.

Joe Friday Joe Friday
1 day ago

Dany is fire.. .survived fire that should have killed her... Jon is ice.. survived being knifed in the snow, or at least died but brought back by the lord of light, So something to do with a Song of Ice and Fire here. Maybe Dany is pregnant but 4 more episodes isn't really enough time to deal with that.

With 6 episodes in the season and only 4 left it seems like there's an awful lot to be resolved. Last night's episode could have been shortened and added to last weeks.

hktownie hktownie
1 day ago

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