i got the flu shot 2 weeks ago
and now i think i have the flu. 102.4 fever, EXTREME body pain and aches, extreme fatigue and weakness, this is day 3. Oh and no taste buds. And some nasal congestion. Now I know they say you dont get the flu from the flu shot, but whoever says that now I want to freak out on them! I have 2 little kids, im praying they dont get this but its probably impossible. Ive gotten the flu shot like 4 times in my life and ot it so that i could be healthy when my kids get sick, im not much good right now being sick.
Anyways I wanted to know whos had the flu even though they got the flu shot? Do you think getting the shot is worth it? What about your kids if you have them?
And yes I know the flu shot only covers certains strains.
I never have never gotten a flu shot, seriously doubt that I ever would. I have also never had the flu.
Where I work, we can get free flu shots, several people each year get the flu from getting the shot here.
You can't get the flu from the flu shot.
I'm with Calico on this. I have never gotten a flu shot. I did get sick once 3 years ago with a 24 hour bug.
Sorry that you are sick, feel better :)
getting a shot is basically injecting the virus into your system so that it builds up an immunity to it. I havent gotten shots besides the tetnus and basic needs shots for years and i only get sick about once a year and thats with season changes n allergies. (knock on wood) Its so much better to not get the shot.
If you got the flu shot 2 weeks ago, I believe you would have developed the flu immediately after getting the shot, if you were going to get it at all. I don't think there could have been a 2-week incubation period where the virus survived in your system without causing any symptoms. The delay leads me to believe it was not the shot that is causing your present symptoms.
Some people do get the flu from the flu shot, but it's the exception rather than the rule, and it's usually a mild case.
I do not get the flu shot, nor does DH who is a doc. Injecting (supposedly) dead / inert viruses into my body? No thanks. That said, if you are in any way immuno-compromised, get it.
(I AM NOT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL and these are just my personal opinions. DH usually teases me saying I don't have an MD, just an LD. A "Like a Doctor" degree! lol)
LD, that's funny Rebecka! Both of my parents, who were in the medical field never got the flu shot either.
These days it doesn't seem like enough people let their bodies do the fighting of viruses/germs. Unless you have a compromised immune system, then forgo the shot.
im sure its not from the shot, but having got the shot im just frustrated that im sick now~ i have 102.4 fever! im not getting the kids the shot, forget it. just proved to myself that getting the shot isnt fullproof against the flu so. yeaah.. i did feel really lousy for a few days after the shot, but nothing like this.
at this point im just really getting cranky and frustrated, its funny how you take feeling good for granted isnt it>?
Don't worry about getting the flu shot!
My company produces the vaccine and I just scheduled myself for the shot tomorrow. Most vaccines contain inactive strains of the virus. There's always a small risk of side effects (like any other medication) or that the strains produced did not cover what actually circulated (the CDC usually makes a "best guess" months in advance to allow manufacturers to produce the vaccine in time for the season), and that may be causing your symptoms.
Now, vaccines are not 100% effective at eliminating the chances of getting the flu, but evidence suggests they do usually cause less severe symptoms if you happen to catch a strain of the flu and allow for fewer complications (especially for the elderly).
No flu shot for me. No shots of any kind, thank you. A bit traumatized by needles. Honestly, who decides to be a pediatrician with the name Dr. Needleman? Thanks mom and dad.
But seriously, the best way to stay healthy (for people with normal immune systems), in my opinion, is to drink lots of water, eat lots of veggies, get enough sleep and wash your hands thoroughly and regularly.
Hope you feel better soon, icicle.
last year i got the flu shot and h1n1 shot and my twins did as well. About 10 days later we were all sick as dogs. i am not getting it this year and i don't think mykids are either. Since my kids aren't in school i don't feel the need for it since we are home most of the winter!
Icicle- FYI- My son has a fever, sore throat etc a week or so ago and he did not get a flu shot. Many kids I know have the same virus. This is the time of year many viruses are going around-it has nothing to do with the flu shot.
I have never gotten the flu shot and never will, for all of the above reasons. I am currently pregnant and the doctors are trying to con me into it. I will see what I can do.
Just so you know the Flu shot is one shot and H1N1 is another shot. SO you could have the H1n1 virus which I had last year and it kicked my butt for two weeks. You have all the symptoms that I did with the H1N1. My legs hurt so bad that I wanted to cut them off!!! Yes it was that bad!!
I couldn't even get myself into bed....I laid on the floor in my bedroom. Then I got better for a day so decided to go rake some leaves last fall and bam the next day it hit me again. So take it easy even after you think you are feeling a little better.
Feel Better soon
Last year, about 24 hours after getting a flu shot, I became ill with flu like symptoms. I went to see my Doctor who told me that you could not get the flu from a flu shot. However, I what I was experiencing was an allergic reaction to the flu shot, which mimics fly symptoms! He told me I should not get any flu shots in the future and he marked my file as such!
Actually Nosila, this year the H1N1 is included in the regular flu shot--so it's both in one instead of two like last year.
i was told it was a"flu" shot they didnt specify if was also the H!NI, but ill tell you what.....my back, its locking up, like spasms in my upper back. i called doctors office to ask doctor to call me, apparently thats not gonna happen, and they have no appt after 6 which i would need bc i need someone to drive me, theres no way im going out on the road with back spasms, so upset right now.
I also have never gotten the flu shot, and I never get sick. A strong immune system will prevent you from contracting the flu. Research also shows that taking adequate Vitamin D is as effective in preventing the flu as the vaccine. (vitamin D deficiency results in a compromised immune system). Studies have shown that most people are deficient in Vitamin D. This is especially true depending on where you live --- like us in the north-eastern part of the country.
Alvin, you are lucky you did not suffer any further complications. Medically acknowledged adverse reactions to the flu vaccine are joint inflammation & arthritis; anaphylactic shock (and other life-threatening allergic reactions); and Guillain-Barre Syndrome (a paralytic autoimmune disease which leaves you unable to walk).
The incubation time for viruses is about 48 hours, not 10-14 days!!!
They give them at work, I've never had one and will probably regret it someday if I do get the flu..but for now, no flu shots for me. I've lived this long without one, maybe when I get older.
Yes, it it true that this year all of the flu vaccines that are produced must include protection against H1N1 plus the "regular" flu. So only one shot this year. The flu shots do not contain the live virus, so no, you can't actually get the flu from the flu shot. On the other hand the nasal sprays consist of a live attenutated virus and should not be given to children under two, the elderly or pregnant women. Great information on the CDC website as well as others. I am a nurse and know that I should take it every year, but there are some years where I decided to skip it for one reason or another. Will probably take it this year again. ALWAYS took it during my pregnancies. Don't want to scare the pregnant moms out there so won't go into details, but after taking care of two particular pregnant moms who contracted the flu while pregnant there was no way I wasn't going to protect myself and my babies. Sure the vaccines do have side effects, as to all medications. Just read up, be informed, then decide for yourselves!
Unfortunately working in the hospital, its mandatory to get the shot
I am glad that it is mandatory in the hospital, and I firmly believe that you cannot contract the flu from the flu shot. The "flu" people speak of after getting the flu shot is, in my opinion of course, a psychosomatic illness. I know many people who will disagree with me on this.
LOL Heather it could be...I rather the shot then wear a mask lol
Right? I'm thinking it'll be a little strange seeing people walking around in masks for months... :-P
well so its day 5. i went to docs yesterday, she said it hard to diagnose a definite flu but that this probably is. this morning i didnt wake up as terrible but my back is still omg, upper back pain, feel like a spiral macaroni, and i am very sweaty, dont think i have a fever right now but its been on and off. so hopefully today will be last day for me but it looks like it might be day 1 for my hubby :(
HEy since this is hubs firt day does anyone have experience taking Tamiflu? i know if he goes to doc she will offer it...did it help?
I took it a few years ago when I had the flu..It really helps..Good luck
I always have chicken parts in the freezer and onion, celery and carrots on hand. When a cold or flu comes on, I'm 2 hours away from my healing chicken soup. Throw everything in a pot, simmer while you take a nap, and then let the healing begin.
Icicle She said that you have 2010/2011 Seasonal Flu..Seems quite early to be hitting here in the US.
Here is a link with some FAQ
Never got one, never will. As kids we grew up getting the flu. What did mom do? Take us to Doc Stanowicz or Doc Miller. They gave us a shot of penicillin, they would always give her some more (pill form) for the kids at home to take when symtoms started. Ahh the good ole days.
My ear specialist told me he would never get the flu shot. I got it three years ago and fluid went into my ears one hour later and I couldn't hear for 8 weeks. Horrible! He finally cleared my ears up. He says get the flu shot; get the flu. If you get the regular flu you will build up immunity to the strain you get; its as simple as that. What a monstrous business drug companies are doing on seniors.
My ear specialist says its a matter of choice. Some people won't go without it; others are sick every time they get it. The decision to accept it is ours alone.
The "flu" is not around yet. H1N1 will be around in about a month or so, and supposedly not as bad as last year, because some people have built up an immunity. The traditional "flu" does not circulate until around December/Jan. time frame.
I got the flu shot 4 weeks ago although I'm very seldom sick. Yesterday I got hit with the flu. Obviously the vaccine doesn't cover all flu strains. Hopefully this will be a milder form because I had the shot. I cant remember the last time I had chills and I can't help but believe that the flu shot did nothing.
Usually is milder. Often can be something else like food poisoning as well.
So my son was required to get a Flu Shot for Pre-School. Since he has never had one he received the shot then 30 days later had to get a booster.
Three days after he received the first shot he got sick...sore throat, runny nose, congestion, pink eye. He was put on antibiotics and eye drops for 10 days. All was looking good...he was clear of disease!
He received the booster shot on Thursday and ironically by Saturday he started again with the same symptoms, plus fever. Back to the Dr. we go...more antibiotics (different kind this time) for 10 days to treat a sinus infection.
Obviously the Dr.'s believe that it was not the shot and that this is just a coincidence.
My son has only been sick once in 4 years and now he has been back twice in 30 days. So ok, the flu shot did not give him the "Flu" but I feel it definitely compromised his system in some way or another.
Does anyone ever think that bringing a child or yourself to an office that more than likely has sick people in it can be the cause of them to getting sick? Wash hands, wash hands, wash hands......
So after thinking long and hard about I ended up getting all of us the shot. It is a personal decision and i think needs to decide for themselves! This time when we got no one felt icky after!
blackcat - you took the words right out my mouth. I just had this conversation with afriend. She was complaining because she just had a baby and everyone goes to grab the baby without washing there hands first. The first thing I do when around a newborn before going near the baby is wash my hands!
Oh, and myself and my son both got the shot yesterday. Only he got a lollipop and stickers. At least I got the cool Wile E. Coyote bandaid;)
If you need a flu shot, you should get a flu shot. If you don't then you shouldn't. I have never gotten the shot and have never had the flu, same for my DH. Luckily we don't need the shot.
BTW, they offer them free here at my job to employees and their spouses. You should have seen the line!!!!! I was surprised how many young employees were getting them. I would have never guessed that 23-30 year olds would need or want a flu shot. Always thought they were geared toward the young, old and immune compromised.
Calico - I was told last year that the H1N1 flu was affecting 20-somethings more than the elderly and children... So that's probably why.
Calico, just because you have never had the flu, it doesn't mean you don't "need" the flu shot. You can certainly choose not to get the shot, but no one is "immune" to the flu. You can be healthy as can be for years and years, then get hit with the flu out of nowhere.
Mommalyn - Thanks for your info. I am aware of what you are saying, I just personally feel I do not need it.
Calico- No problem. My grandmother (a nurse) was seeing a lot of it last year, which is what made me decide that I would definitely get the shot, regardless of whether or not it's mandatory. Also I have a four year old brother and would feel terrible if I got him sick when I go to visit him. Of course, I completely respect everyone's right to make their own decision about the flu shot. I just happen to be in favor of it.
got the flu shot 9 days ago. 48 hours after shot got nausea and slight chills. Since then have felt like I had the flu, but no fever. I have felt warm, but checked temp many times and no fever. Was not feeling great when I went to Dr. and they said I should take flu shot anyway, now I am regretting it. On Tuesday of this week, I finally started to feel a little better, but still not good. I am going to try and make it a full 2 weeks before I go back to the MD and see what could be wrong. God Bless hope others do not have same issues.
So let me see if I got this right. You were feeling sick so you got the flu shot and you got sick. Ah --- definite causal relationship --- certainly worth a "awe jeez, go figure" award.
ps -- DRs should not give sick people the flu shot, especially those with fever I think, not sure, but I think. Apparently until Obama fixes this, the flu shot will not remedy prexisting conditions --- see your congressman.
I'm now 54 and usually get a flu shot every year. I had the flu 15 & 20 years ago and it was quite severe each time. Even though I was fit and healthy, the flu put me in bed for 2-3 weeks. I got a flu shot 2 weeks ago (Oct 2011).
Although I now have flu-like symptoms, I'm not convinced that it's due to the shot. Doctors told me that it takes about 2 weeks for the body to build up resistance to it, and that even though one gets the flu shot, it's still possible to contract it during that time period.
However, in Oct 1976 I was in the USAF going through Air Base Ground Defense training at Camp Bullis, TX. We were all given the shot for the swine flu. The entire camp was sick & or asleep the entire weekend. Food service personnel in the chow hall said no one showed up for breakfast, lunch or dinner for those 2 days.
Nonetheless, I am all for prevention because if / when you get hit with it, nothing can be done.
I just read this article Tuesday.
In 'universal' flu shot push, medical industry admits current flu shots are useless
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034092_universal_flu_shot_vaccines.html
You cannot get the flu from the flu shot, spreading that rumor results in needles incidence of illness as phobic people avoid good health care.. The paranoia surrounding immunizations has resulted in a rise in preventable illnesses in this country... People are so ready to assume some kind of conspiracy and to be swayed by alarmist ratings-hungry media that they are willing to believe anything!! Immunizations are the single most revolutionary, life saving preventive measures in medicine to date- think long term folks - think of the illnesses that we no longer even think about in this country or world-wide due to the medical advance of the immunization.. There is NO causal link between your getting the flu shot and then getting a flu... remember folks, this is the season for colds, etc. to be swarming around... we are all exposed to these things.. Now, the response to the vaccination is to mount an immune response, it may be that your feel a little tired, but it will not make you sick and WILL prevent you from getting a severe, potentially life-threatening illness - seems a good choice to me - protects you and your family - I remember the year of the shortage of flue vaccine - fortunately, it is readily available this year
Thank God someone knows this besides me. I have burned out on trying to educate people.
I had the flu 3 years ago. Very very sick. It took at least 6 weeks to fully recover.
I never got the flu shot. Then I got the flu and it was bad. Now I get it every year. Works for me.
The flu shot will not protect you against every strain. Even if you get the shot you can still get the flu. I have read a lot of research that they are finding people who supplement with vitamin D rarely get the flu. Take vitamin D and wash, wash, wash your hands. Also, eat lots of fresh fruits and veggies. It has been shown that people who do not get the flu shot, in the long run are healthier!
Mitchell - Where has it been shown that people who did not get the flu shot are healthier? Link please.
pmnsk ~ where are you getting your information? Is it from the propaganda literature that the pharmaceutical companies have printed? According to the CDC, here are the potential side effects of the flu shot. Sure seems like flu symptoms to me. I'll take my chances with a good healthy diet and good hygiene rather than the vaccine.
Vaccine Side Effects (What to Expect)
Different side effects can be associated with the flu shot and LAIV.
The flu shot: The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. Some minor side effects that could occur are:
•Soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
•Fever (low grade)
If these problems occur, they begin soon after the shot and usually last 1 to 2 days. Almost all people who receive influenza vaccine have no serious problems from it. However, on rare occasions, flu vaccination can cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. As of July 1, 2005, people who think that they have been injured by the flu shot can file a claim for compensation from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP).
The nasal spray (also called LAIV or FluMist®): The viruses in the nasal-spray vaccine are weakened and do not cause severe symptoms often associated with influenza illness. (In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely.)
In children, side effects from LAIV (FluMist®) can include:
In adults, side effects from LAIV (FluMist®) can include
Never got one side effect from the flu shot and never got the flu again. Maybe that's just me, and I wouldn't try to change anyone's mind. Just saying how it's been for me.
Jackie - Even if you got ALL of those side effects, 1-2 days of those symptoms sure as heck seems better than 6 weeks of those symptoms... Just sayin'! :)
I think flu shots, and really all medical decisions, are highly personal.
There are very good arguments both for and against getting the shot, and a lot depends on one's own immune system, age, risk of exposure, risk of transmitting to others, etc.
We all just have to do whatever we feel is right for our particular situation.
I had never had a flu shot - never thought I would need a flu shot because i am generally healthy and do not have a compromised immune system. After our power outage, shoveling snow, sleeping in the cold - I have had the flu for over a week. Seriously thinking of getting a flu shot - because its taking me forever to get well.
My whine for the day!
Jackie, NO, I did not get my information from "propaganda" and your response seems to me to indicate that you are one of those phobic people I was talking about... this thread was about the flu SHOT, not the nasal spray.. you cannot get the flu from the flu shot is what I said... this from scientific literature, not whatever you can grab off the web.... as for allergic reaction, you can get that from ANY medication or exposure to any thing put into your body if you are sensitive - food, cleansers, clothing chemicals, etc... so if that is the side effect you are most worried about, find a bubble to live in... just because the side effects listed "seem like the flu to YOU" (I guess you are not an immunologist) doesn't make it the flu... And yes, it is your own decision to take or not take the shot, but do understand that if you do not, you increase your chances of contracting the flu and SPREADING it to others - including kids and elderly with compromised immunity without necessarily being aware that you have done so...
NTW about the flu shot. It's the flouride in the water that will get you. Rick Perry has been drinking double doses and look what happened to him. It does three things: strengthens teeth, turns you into a communist and...uh.....uh......ooooops.
Jackie - The information about not getting the flu is from the *shot*, not the nasal spray. The shot is dead so there is no way to get the flu, even if there can be other issues. The three issues listed - injection soreness, aches, low grade fever - happen with absolutely any shot you take including a placebo. That's just the nature of something injected into your blood stream.
I perfectly well understand everyone should know about the issues. That's why it's important to know the whole story. I take medication that qualifies me as one of the immuno-compromised. I positively cannot take the flu nasal spray because it is active, yet absolutely am in need of the shot that is inactive. As other said, it should be an individual's choice. It's entirely understandable not to want to take the nasal spray. But confusing different products with different risks is as bad as any propaganda you perceive.
It's impossible to know if you didn't get the flu whether it was the shot or you just weren't exposed. It's impossible to know if you got the shot whether it prevented the flu or not. It's probably also next to impossible to know if you do get the flu after a shot, whether it was a failure of the shot or just a strain the shot doesn't help against. So what works or not is tough to tell, and why shouldn't we all have a chance to decide for ourselves instead of either a drug company, or an anit-drug company advocate that wants to make our decisions for us just as much??
People may say they had the flu over the weekend or they had the flu for a week (a good cold can last into week 2). Believe me, the flu is something else. When you have it, death starts looking good.
So if you get very sick for a few days or so, you don't have the flu.
cbel - AGREED! I can't even tell you how many times people say "I had the flu" but when they describe it, it was actually a bad cold. A head cold lasts 2 weeks usually. The flu lasts 6. I wouldn't wish the flu on my worst enemy... It is much more serious than people realize.
cbel/heather you are right.. I know a person who died from complications of the flu, it is serious and, to me, seems silly not to prevent it from affecting you or your loved ones..
Actually I'm not paranoid at all. I just prefer not to follow along blindly like the other sheep. I don't understand why you'd be so concerned whether or not I received the flu shot. You can all go get the shot, you'll all be protected so you don't need to worry if I get the flu and come over to your house ~ You got the "shot", you're protected! God I love this country that allows us to make our OWN choices!
Jackie, Seems to me that truly understanding the medical science, understanding the history and potential effects of being sick and choosing to take proven and safe preventive measures is NOT "following along blindly" and that not doing so, if you are not a conspiracy theorist, is senseless. You are right, if you choose to expose yourself to the possibility of getting sick, so be it, your choice, but the kicker here is that it is a highly CONTAGIOUS illness, one that can be passed on before you are even aware that you are sick - so you, in your own self-inflicted illness, can easily infect others - kids, elderly or others... that is, unless you are a shut-in that never leaves the house or has anyone over - I am not, however an advocate of forced flu vaccination, though we do, as a society, force kids to be vaccinated before entering the public school system, and have benefitted greatly as a result.
@Jackie, I've made it to almost 57 years old without a flu shot and will continue that way. I'm sure after I have the flu for the first time, I might regret it, but for now, I choose not to get it. I believe it's a personal choice. We actually had a woman in our office get a flu shot and she had such a bad reaction to it, they took her out of work by ambulance. I try not to take too much medication for anything, too many side effects for me.
Jackie: I don't care if you get the flu shot or not. I never got it till I had the flu.
I get it every year and Bessie doesn't and we're still friends. Right, Bessie?
The more people that get the shot, the less likely that the flu will spread. rather simple I think.
its all choice...do as you deem necessary. Make the call for yourself and your family, the beauty of the human being is that we are all different and will react different to all things. Make your own choice and be comfortable with it. Easy to say.... hard to execute...but none the less the right thing to make you feel right.....
I was offered the flu shot at work, it was encouraged but not mandatory. I was happy to get it, as I work PT in a Retirement Community (not in a medical position) and my aunt (at home) has COPD.
I think it is the right thing to do, due to my close contact with indivduals who are considered "compromised".
The flu is esp. dangerous for the elderly and the very young.
I still believe in frequent handwashing, cover your mouth when coughing, nose when sneezing. Wash your hands after. Dispose of tissues properly. Turn your head and cough into your shoulder area clothing. It is spread by droplett effect.
Just think of the "spew of droplets" when someone coughs into the air.
Don't get me started on blowing out candles on Birthday Cake!
It is a choice of course, but I choose to do my part to protect others.
I got the flu shot because I was ordered to do so (military perks) I'm 8.5 months pregnant and I feel like death
I am an RN and work in the ER. I got the flu shot 4 weeks ago, and now have the flu. It has been 2 weeks, and I can't get the symptoms to go away. It is mandatory for us to get the flu vaccine, or we get fired. Since this has come into effect, about 4 years ago, I have gotten sick every year. I never got the flu shot before that, and never got sick. I will not get the flu shot again.
I'm sorry you are sick, Sandy.And I don't blame you at all for your decision. On the same note, my parents got the flu shot for the first time several years ago. They had never had the flu, but were in their 70's and everyone talked them into getting it. Well, both of them came down with the flu shortly thereafter, and my father took well over a month before he was feeling better. Needless to say, they never got the shot again! (and never got the flu again!)
On the flip side, I do know people who get the shot every year and are fine, but I will never get it after seeing what it did to my folks.
Wow, most of you confirmed what I knew all along. Several years ago I did a survey of 8 doctors and half of them will not get the flu shot. So, what does that tell you. I do not get the flu shot, because I take immune suppressent medications and my doctor told me the flu shot wouldn't work for me, because my immune system is compromised. I also believe my husband died because of the flu shot. He got the shot yearly and every year he got sicker than the year before. So, no flu shot for me.
Cliff R - you linked us to a site that sells products. One sided view point perhaps?
SandyRN Maybe you are one of the 1 in a 100,000 that now has developed Guillain-Barre syndrome.
Some people do get "sick" symptoms after getting the flu shot but if you have ever had the flu - you would know the difference. Many people say they have the "flu" when they get a cold with aches and pains or run a fever with a virus but in reality Influenza is very different and could land you in the hospital. Not something to take lightly at all. It took me at least 6 - 8 weeks to feel almost 100%.
The vaccine is not for everyone but I would caution people that have compromised health to avoid exposing yourself unnessarily during the cold and flu season. Wash Hands and use hand sanitizer when you can't wash hands. Going into and immediately leaving any public place ( church, stores, homes, hospitals, Dr offices, labs).
My parents didn't just "get sick", they had the actual flu! I've had it and I know the difference!
Firefly - Not one sided at all. You can hardly go anywhere without seeing some kind of ad. I sent the link only for the info about vaccines and peoples rights. Research the ingredients in the flu vaccine...1 of which is mercury...very toxic to humans.
Personally, I'd rather have the flu then these ingredients injected into my body. However, I am also healthy with no underlying health conditions.
Mercury, one of the ingredients in flu vaccine
It's a hard call Firefly, kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't! I agree, I wouldn't tell anyone either to get it or not to.
Getting my flu shot this Friday. Used to get the flu bad every year but not since I started getting a flu shot about 5 years ago.
It's unfortunate we've been all through this three times above, somehow politics has to be brought into a simple informed medical decision, and some kind of playground battle ensues.
I take medication that means I don't have a choice and have started the process today to have my insurance approve mine. But I have no problem with people that don't want it, people that do want it, and people who don't even want to discuss it. Why would I?
My family has been getting the shots for years and never had a problem. Some people may have been exposed to the flu before they received the shot or shortly thereafter. It's
suppose to take a couple of weeks to take effect.
2 years later....You CANNOT get the flu from the flu shot.(period)
But you can still get the flu even if you get the shot ;) with ya know hundreds of new strains coming out each year that is.
Man, sure hope I don't catch shingles from the shingles vacine.
Wait, what about the cats --- - they got rabies shots -----
We tried to get pregnant the last time there was a full moon. It didn't work so I guess it's true that you can't get pregnant during a full moon.
MBAFR... Did you read the 1st post in this thread? You can get the flu from the flu shot, plus a host of other ailments!!! (Period)!
Influenza Deaths: The Hype vs. the Evidence
Cliff R - I'm not going to argue, but I will still say this... You CANNOT get the flu from the flu shot.
Here are some other ways of saying it:
The flu shot does not give you the flu.
If you get the flu shot, you will not develop the flu from the vaccine
The vaccine in the flu shot will not bring on the flu
The OP said she/he got the flu 2 weeks after getting the shot. So once again it wasn't the shot that gave them the flu. She probably came in contact with a different strain of the the flu.
Doesn't it take a few weeks for the vaccine to become effective anyway? So wouldn't it stand to reason that if someone were to get the flu 2 weeks after getting the shot it's because it hadn't reached full efficacy?
again with Mercola.....SMH Cliff Cliff Cliff Cliff - He sells cookware along with everything else.. Read on....from Wikpedia.
Mercola operates mercola.com, which he has described as the most popular alternative-health website on the Internet. The site advocates and sells a variety of alternative medicine treatments and dietary supplements. An article in BusinessWeek was critical of his website's aggressive direct-marketing tactics and complained of Mercola's "lack of respect" for his site's visitors, writing:
Mercola gives the lie to the notion that holistic practitioners tend to be so absorbed in treating patients that they aren't effective businesspeople. While Mercola on his site seeks to identify with this image by distinguishing himself from "all the greed-motivated hype out there in health-care land", he is a master promoter, using every trick of traditional and Internet direct marketing to grow his business... He is selling health-care products and services, and is calling upon an unfortunate tradition made famous by the old-time snake oil salesmen of the 1800s.
Phyllis Entis, a microbiologist and food safety expert, highlighted Mercola.com as an example of websites "likely to mislead consumers by offering one-sided, incomplete, inaccurate, or misleading information."
Mercola has also received three warning letters from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for violations of U.S. marketing laws. The first two letters, dated 2005 and 2006, charged Mercola with making false and misleading claims regarding the marketing of several natural supplemental products, which violated the Federal Food Drug and Cosmetic Act. In the most recent letter, sent in March 2011, Mercola was accused of violating federal law, by making claims about the efficacy of certain uses of a telethermographic camera exceeding those approved by the FDA concerning the diagnostic and therapeutic potential of the device (regulation of such claims being within the purview of the FDA). Dr. Mercola has challenged the FDA's order stating that "We believe that the FDA's warning letter is without merit and is an attempt to regulate the practice of medicine, which the agency does not have the regulatory authority to do. Our use of the thermography device is consistent with its 510(k) clearance for use by health care professionals in their diagnosis and treatment of patients."
Thank you darwin and jrsemom.
Just an FYI for whoever said that Sandy RN had guillian- barre syndrome....NO, that is a nervous system response causing systematic paralysis, respiratory difficulties etc, it is not flu symptoms, or flu-like. It's an autoimmune response. Look it up.
jrsemom - If you get the flu after two weeks, then the shot definitely did not cause it. The incubation period for the flu is 1-4 days. Two things could happen if you do get the flu later - either your body didn't build up immunity, or it's a strain you don't have immunity to. Could be either. For some people like me and my medication, two weeks is not enough. It's the whole reason why I really need the shot every year.
Got mine Friday....As I said, I used to get the flu itself each year and be out of work for weeks ..that is.. up until 5 years ago when I decided to get a flu shot. For the last five years, I have not only not had the flu but no bad colds either over the winter months. I asked the Dr. on Friday if I could get the flu after having the flu shot and it was the first time I really heard him laugh out loud and he said...That is like saying you will get the flu because your mother in law comes to visit!!
Public health dogma includes vaccinate, fluoridate, educate, pasteurize and sanitize.
Some of these things are good, others not so much.
After 26 years in the field, I've come to the conclusion that the law of diminishing marginal returns has definitely kicked in.
As far as the flu vaccine goes, you really need to question how and why it went from "65 and over or chronic health condition" to someone trying to stick you in every pharmacy and box store in the country.
The H1N1 debacle resulted in a lot of money being spent on some pretty foolish things. My favorites were always the vaccine that we had to temperature log daily and then throw out for one reason or another, or those cardboard thermometers that were never quite accurate...
26 years in the medical field?? Then you should know why the flu vaccine is recommended for just about everyone... just sayin...
Joyful....Thank you for that comment...People seriously educate yourself - by asking your Doctor or even your pharmacist.
I received flu shots for 15 years (Air Force/Air National Guard). I got the flu each time right after the shot. I have not had the flu for 30 years until I was force to get the recent flu shot.
Given a chose, I would not get the flu shot.
Perhaps you should get the shot in another location where people don't have the flu......Or, stay away from you Mother-In-Law.
You can't get the flu from the flu shot. You can get the flu after the flu shot. See, you did. Hopefully it will be less severe but even that is not a guarantee.
Did you get Rubella, Mumps, Measles, Chicken Pox, Tetanus and Diptheria too?
If you take cough medicine, does it make you cough.
I suggest you never take a pregnancy test.
Some people always get "sick" from the flu shot. Whatever you want to call the bad feelings they get after it. They don't make it up and I have seen it over and over. Can't be a coincidence. Why take the time to beat them over the head about it. Nobody wants to believe what doesn't happen to them personally. That thought process causes lots of problems.
No, monte....26 years in the public health field.
Separating Public Health dogma from truth has become a real problem for me.
I've made it almost 58 years without a flu vaccine and will continue. I'll probably want to kick myself if I get the flu, but I'll take that chance. My doctor always asks if I want one, I tell her no and she says it's my decision. Very good post Maja. I've done some homework to educate myself on the flu vaccines and their necessity and decide against. Everyone doesn't have to come to the same decision.
Good for you, Bessie. I never got the flu shot until I got the flu. I don't ever want to go through that again. If I never got the flu myself, I wouldn't be risking the shot.
Since flu vaccine is now available on every streetcorner, I'd be curious to see some longer-term figures on the number of seasonal flu cases.
The H1N1 scare thrust ethanol-based hand sanitizers on us in a big way. Lots of ethanol out there, too, since there's a lot of subsidized corn going into subsidized palnts to make the stuff.
Too bad that the flu is also transmitted by airborne droplets and that ethanol is not all that effective against most viruses......
@Bessie - thanks! I hope nobody at all gets the flu this year. Or ever. Not realistic, I know. I have never had it, and haven't even been sick except for a stuffy nose since before my son was born (24 yo). I'll probably get socked by something some day, but, like you, I take my chances. I am a freak about using hand sanitizer which helps I think. My mother gets some nasty lung thing every year - bronchitis/pnuemonia. She did get the pneumonia vaccine but it didn't work and won't get it again. I guess I have my father's health genes! Flu shots, to me, should be a personal choice. Tough decision for health workers though, as they could be exposing weak patients to their germs. So more necessary. (I assume hospitals have a liberal sick day policy). I am horrified that kids are forced to get the flu shot, and am glad I didn't have to face that choice for mine.
I cannot get the flu shot because of the medication I am on for Crohn's disease. I have not had a flu shot ever and I cannot remember the last time I was truly sick. Why start now?
I get the flus hot because of my underlining medical conditions. the one year I did not get it because of the shortgae I ended up in the hiospital very sick with the complications from the flu. I have gotten it ever since.
sunshinenj what meds are you taking for crohns. I also have Crohns and have never been told not to get the flu shot. You can PM me.
sunshinenj - I'm also in the same boat with the meds. (UC, not Crohns) However, my doctor has instructed me it's the exact opposite. It's why I *have* to have the flu shot. Yes, it does mean the live virus nasal spray is something that would be very dangerous to have. But the shot is not live and perfectly safe for us. Something like Asacol will not affect anything either way. But members of the local group are on things like Imuran, Humira, 6mp (mercaptopurine) and Enbrel. We're all supposed to get the shot and avoid the spray.
As Christine mentioned, feel free to PM if you want more info.
Maja - previously healthy kids can die from the flu - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49465633/ns/health-cold_and_flu/
My son who lives miles away got the "head flu" that lasted almost 3 weeks, I then got a flu shot hoping to stave off this flu... my daughter who lives with me came home from a vacation in IOWA and was "hit" with same symptoms day she got back...I now have been hit with it 2 weeks after I obtained flue shot...and YES, I knew that taking care of her would eventually get to me...BUT, I thought taking my echinacea, VC, hydrating, eating everything HEALTHY, would hold it off or AT LEAST calm the attack... I was wrong... I got hit with sore throat, then BLAM...within 5 hours I had fever/chills, sinus drainage and VERY bad sore throat. Stayed in bed for 24 hours, ate homemade chicken soup, Vc, Zinc, lots and lots of water.......THOUGHT I was ok but when I got to work, I lasted 3 hours before I HAD to come home, slept another 24 hours with little else but fever and chills, drinking fluids, having a snot bag next to my bed for all my kleenex!!! this is the end of day 4 and I am finally feeling human again...I missed two days of work that I can't afford... I have just made everyone at work who were on the fence about the flu shot... Positive that they aren't gonna get one!! I usually get one and usually I don't get sick........or IF I DO, it doesn't hit me as hard... NOT THIS TIME!!! I haven't been this sick in YEARS......even taking care of someone who IS sick...I know all the preventative steps, sterilizing, sanitizing, healthy food, shot, supplements, etc.... it just didn't work this time!!!!
BLD, I know that. I know someone whose sister died from the flu. I don't think parents should be forced to give it to their children. My college age daughter chose to get it. I wouldn't tell her not to. She can research and decide. I choose not to get it so far.
I would like to wear the mask. Why is it that everyone is afraid to protect themselves. Just because you get the flu shot against 1-2 strains. There are several. And why are we so afraid of making our bodies do there job. When is the cold vaccine coming out you know it could go into pneumonia.
If a person has the flu and you are a worker in the hospital. I hope they are not saying. The nurses are not going to wear a mask? Please hospital staff wear a mask. And are they going to make them wear a mask in the summer to? This sounds fishy?
I woke up with a cold, sneezing, running nose, slightly scratchy throat. My 4 year old grand daughter received flu shot last Wednesday (lives with me). Since Monday, she has had low-grade fevers, coughing, stuffy and runny nose. Did she give me the flu? If yes, is it the mild form of flu or will it get worse?
sunshinenj - I am in the same situation because of colitis medication. It's *misinformation* that we cannot get the flu shot. We cannot get the flu nasal spray. We positively are supposed to get the flu shot. We are at greater risk because of medication, but the shot poses no risk to us. You're confusing the spray vs the shot. Just went over all of this at the local CCFA meeting.
It makes me laugh. No matter how many times you say it, people still insist it is not true: you can't get the flu from a flu shot. Period. No way. Nada. It's dead virus. You might get mild flu-like symptoms, but doubtful and if you did they would be mild and shortlasting.
The only way to get the flu from the flu shot is if while there you touch something that someone who had the flu left the active virus within about 8 hours. And considering how many boneheads who have the flu rush to get the shot thinking it will make them better, that's probably a good possibility that bonehead next to you in line has the flu ---- especially during an epidemic.
Of course after the epidemic is raging, those who opt to get the flu shot stand to be infected before, during, and even after the shot wherever they go. If you got the flu shot and got the flu, that's how it happened. Period.
It takes 2 weeks after the shot to build up antibodies in your system. Guess what, until those antibodies build up, you can get the flu. It can take from 1 to 5 days to show flu symptoms after being infected. Sorry, it's not as instant magic pill. It does not turn you into Superman overnight. It takes two weeks. Two. 14 days. So it is easy to get the shot, and up to almost three weeks later --- get the flu.
So if you wait until you hear the word "epidemic" to get the shot, probably, you will be safe around the time the epidemic has subsided. That basically says you will be exposed and vulnerable to as many infected people as possible. That's why you got the flu, because you got infected from someone who had the flu. That's why you should get the shot in the fall before the season gets rolling. Not wait unitl the epidemic hits in January and then lament: "how could they be running out of serum?" or "I got the shot during the epidemic but caught the flu" No duh.
Got the shot for myself and my son last week. Interesting read the other day that said the most germs are found on restaurant menus. After you hand back your menu, go wash your hands--or do what I do, carry around Wet One packs.
Didn't anyone else read The Stand?:)
A bit OT- A friend had it right after Christmas. Last Friday she said she had some pain in her back/chest. I remembered when I had pneumonia and how that pain felt. I told her she ahould check with her dr to rule out a lingering lung thing. So what does she do- she heads to her chiropractor who orders an X-ray before he does any adjustments. Did he listen to her chest- no. She thinks its a muscle pull but she does nothing physical so one would wonder how that could be. Oy vey....
Or, the strains of flu for which they prepared the vaccine are different than the strain causing the epidemic and you may as well have taken that $20 and bought a couple of drinks with it.
When I hear the media promoting a wide-spread "epidemic", I immediately think that the pharmaceutical companies prepared too much vaccine for the normal demand and are trying to get rid of it by scaring people, lol.
I personally don't know anyone who has had the flu yet this year.
Also, be sure to read directions on wet wipes and such, they don't always kill germs, bacteria and viruses immediately...some have to be left "wet" for several minutes. I love when I see people wash their hands and it takes them al of 10 seconds, if you don't do it right (handwashing, wipes, etc.) then it isn't effective!
Yes to the hand washing.
And I can't believe with just being very sick that's the doctor she chose to go to.
Haven't heard any results yet.
Anyone see the movie Contagion? Lol!! No seriously, the way germs spread are insane. Did you know that your cellphone carries more germs than a public restroom floor?
Hi everyone, I probably know what people will say but I got sick or a reaction from the shot I received 8 days ago. I got a major headache, low grade fever and felt weakness. All that sounded like the normal reactions so I didn't freak out but then the next day I got pins and needles type feelings on my hands and feet and then a day after that my legs and knees hurt like crazy. They hurt so much that at one point I actually started to cry. At this point it's freaking me out so I go to the Dr. who tests my arms, legs and says no signs of GBS but let's do blood work and in the meantime go to neuro. I go to neuro 3 days after shot who also tests reflexes and says no GBS and at this point the pins and needles have subsided but I have my leg muscles and some back twitching and my legs are still killing me. Neuro says everything looks ok but it may be your body is mimicking having the flu. She suggests rest for 2 weeks and drink fluids and then have an EMG. I go back to my GP a week after shot for test results, knees are now killing me, legs started to feel better but muscles still twitching. The labs show my ANA is now positive when just 5 months ago during normal checkip it was negative. In case you don't know ANA is a measure of antibodies for autoimmune that are attacking your body. So now I have to go rhumetologist. Last night my legs felt great so I walked more than usual and today I'm feeling all weak and rundown again. Just to point out I never never had knee nor leg, muscle twitching problems before this shot! Everyone is entitled to their opinion and can decide what they want to do. I for one am never getting this shot again. What I want is for both sides of the story to be told. It amazes me how on tv or the radio everyone just says "get the shot , get the shot" but never talk about side effects or glance over them like its nothing. That is not proper communication, that is just propaganda. Yes the shot may be safe for 99% of people but if you end up being that 1% it's nothing to glance over. That % is actual people and lives that are ruined over a shot that may or may not protect you. I just want my body to feel normal again and hope after another week it will sine the leg pain has started to subside somewhat. If anyone has had an experience like this I would like to know. Thanks!
14 year old with no underlying medical conditions dies from flu related illness in NJ - http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/01/vigil_tonight_for_mark_hollawa.html#incart_river_default
Well I have always got the flu shot, I always get it at my job since I do work in the medical field. I have never got the flu after the injection. This year was much different, I was doing a steep and flu test on a patient and she coughed three times in my face and she ended being positive for flu and sure enough I got it...that was two weeks ago and today I am feeling the same symtpoms I had two weeks ago, if u get the same symptoms it might be pneumonia.
We all get the shot every year. We've never had a reaction. We've never gotten the flu.
I had the flu many years ago, and I never want to get it again.
I think people who get the shot and don't have reactions or get sick tend not to talk about it. We hear from the "squeaky wheels" - not the majority.
We will get the shot every year.
royrod82 - I am glad you mentioned that it might be pneumonia. 3 years ago I became quite ill SUDDENLY with fever of 103 + degrees, extreme fatigue and a very slight cough but no other respiratory symptoms. I went to Dr Sandu 2 days after the symptoms started as my Dr was in Stroudsburg. He diagnosed me with pneumonia but did not do an x-ray. Put me on Levaquin which is a strong antibiodic for pneumonia. 4 days later and I am still very sick - no change I went back to Dr Sandu's office and they changed my script. Gradually I started improving a little bit but not 100% so i made an appointment and when to Stroud Dr. about 12 days after the onset of symptoms. She told me she thought I had the Influneza. If it had been pneumonia it would have responded to Levaquin and because there was no chest x-ray there was no way to tell. As it was and I am not exaggerating it was at least 6 weeks before I felt fully recovered. Treatment would have been the same without the antibiodics which was just rest, rest and more rest. I slept around the clock for at least a week. Never want that again. I am/was very healthy but if you have any underlying issues it could easily do you in.
PS also have never had a reaction to the flu vaccine.
Edwin, the one and only year I got the flu shot I developed severe muscle twitches, weakness and a virus within weeks of the shot. The twitches were constant and everywhere. I felt horrible and my anxiety was through the roof. After many tests, seeing specialists I was diagnosed with Benign Fasculation Syndrome (happy it was benign). The doctor said it was likely that the flu shot caused my body to attack itself, cant be certain, but because it was the only new thing it may have been the shot. I suffered for years with it and still have flares at times. I was told by my doctor to never get the flu shot again and I haven't.
Lots of nice anectdotes about flu-vaccine horrors. Some facts from the CDC:
"What are the risks from getting a flu shot?
The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. The risk of a flu shot causing serious harm or death is extremely small. However, a vaccine, like any medicine, may rarely cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. Almost all people who get influenza vaccine have no serious problems from it.
What are the side effects that could occur?
•Soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
•Fever (low grade)
The intradermal flu shot may cause other additional mild side effects including:
•Toughness and itching where the shot was given
If these problems occur, they begin soon after the shot and usually last one to two days.
Can severe problems occur?
Life-threatening allergic reactions are very rare. Signs of serious allergic reaction can include breathing problems, hoarseness or wheezing, hives, paleness, weakness, a fast heartbeat, or dizziness. If they do occur, it is within a few minutes to a few hours after the shot. These reactions are more likely to occur among persons with a severe allergy to eggs, because the viruses used in the influenza vaccine are grown in hens’ eggs. People who have had a severe reaction to eggs or a flu shot in the past should not get a flu shot before seeing a physician.
Guillain-Barré syndrome: Normally, about one person per 100,000 people per year will develop Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS), an illness characterized by fever, nerve damage, and muscle weakness. In 1976, vaccination with the swine flu vaccine was associated with getting GBS. Several studies have been done to evaluate if other flu vaccines since 1976 were associated with GBS. Only one of the studies showed an association. That study suggested that one person out of 1 million vaccinated persons may be at risk of GBS associated with the vaccine.
What should I do if I have had a serious reaction to seasonal influenza vaccine?
Call a doctor, or get to a doctor right away.
Tell your doctor what happened, the date and time it happened, and when you got the flu shot.
Ask your doctor, nurse, or health department to file a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) form, or call VAERS at 1-800-822-7967.
Did your DRs contact the CDC?
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I'm an RN and get the flu shot every year. I skipped it once in the early 90's and got so sick with the flu, I thought I would die! Although I got vaccinated this year, as usual, I am just now beginning to recover from the flu. I know I contracted a strain not covered by this years vaccine. This past week has been utterly miserable and I am trying to care for my husband and elderly mom who both have the flu and were also vaccinated. Will I get the flu shot next year? You betcha! This is no fun and if I can minimize the odds of getting it again, I will.
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