Something Bad On 46

Not sure what is going on on 46 - - I think down around the Park and Ride parking lot on the hill - but LifeStar just landed there and the hwole place is shut down. Somehting has happened on the hill somewhere. Anyone have any idea what's up?

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Jun 29, 09 9:31 pm

Traffic is being diverted off of Rt. 46 W onto the road across from the county DPW. There is an accident in front of the strip mall across from the Hyundai dealership. I just had a brief glance, but it appears as though at least one telephone pole is down. God bless!

Accident at rte 46 and east ave.Road closed by Shell.Also at top of mountain by A&P. Sounds like will be for most of the night. Poles and wires down as well as a transformer.

It was a police chase.

We live off of Naughright and had lost power for 2 hrs. It was kinda of nice being "off-line" from the world for a while.
I hope all turns out well for those involved in the accident.

Single car accident into a pole,pole and wires and transformers down all over the road. Not sure of what was going on but from the 500 feet of skid marks he had to be really moving.

yea it was a police chase.. which resulted in the car taking down the telephone poll.. think there was 2 patients.. one that was transported by ambulance deffinetly.. lifestar might have transported the other.. however i was hearing reports of a death so they might of just landed in anticipation of transporting.. or they might have taken the person.. When they crashed one of the victims was unresponsive but moving so i dont know what resulted from that. :/

I was leaving a buisness on 46 right before 9 pm and saw a green mustang being chased by a police car and all of a sudden a bang and it looked like fireworks right beyond the dealorship. It was really scary. I hope no one lost their life.

it was a friend of my bf's. The cop said they were doing donuts in a parking lot and were chased on 46 when they all of a sudden skid 500 feet and hit the telephone pole. the car was facing toward Gray Bar and the pole was on the drivers side. Police also told me that a passenger was thrown from the car. It's pretty bad. One was rushed by medivac to Morristown Hospital and friends of mine were on their way there.

This is so terrible. I am so sorry for all those involved. We heard the bang of the transformer blowing, lost power for just a moment and then heard the sirens and the medivac and knew this was bad.

We live in Peachtree and it is interesting that we did not lose power, but Naughright did. Noticed that the road was blocked this morning as I left for work.

Those injured are in my thoughts.

Also, a pick up smashed head on into a light pole at McDonalds by fast food alley. Looks like he crossed over the rd...big mess there this morning.

It was a police chase like everyone's saying. I don't know all the details but the chase started in Hackettstown and ended in Washington Township. It sounded pretty bad. Hope everyone's okay:-(

Nothing good can ever come from a "Police Chase".

It's hard for me to feel sorry for anyone who got themselves involved in a police chase.

Still no details released? I can't find any links.

irresponsible children getting them selves in trouble
i have no pity for these trouble makers sorry they are just lucky
they didnt get anyone else involved in their selfish acts

Yes, police chase....No one's dead or seriously injured........

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Jun 30, 09 10:29 am

Wasn't it a green mustang that crashed in front of St. Mary's a few weeks back? It also took out a pole and the electricity. One of our fellow posters took and posted a picture of it.

Anti-evil guy
Jun 30, 09 10:53 am

The problem is that even though no one is physically hurt they still inconvenience and endanger many people. Everyone whose electricity was out was inconvenienced. Anyone who may have had some sort of real emergency yesterday may have been hindered due to the electricity being out. Plus the danger of food spoiling in everyones fridges and whatever. Its selfishness on whomevers part (no matter what age) for endangering the police, innocent people and inconveniencing everyone affected. I am glad no one is hurt. Hopefully they will not repeat their offenses. Its frustrating to say the least to hear of these things.

it was a mitsubishi eclipse

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Jun 30, 09 11:04 am

You know what all you people who say you're not sorry I hope you die a horrible death. The police are at fault here. I saw them speed by like they were chasing a bank robber or something and then crash at First Hope. And it turns out it was just a kid doing donuts? Are you f'n kidding me? Way to chase them and not only cause them to get killed but you almost killed innocent bystanders. We need to put our police in check before more people get hurt. Shame on you Police.

I agree with Bryan and Jesse here, no sympathy for those who make their own problems.

I think these kids were stupid and irresponsible, but on the other side of that what were the police thinking engaging in a high speed chase over some kids doing donuts?? Don't their cars have that license plate recognition software? Couldn't they back off and get the address and go to the home? People in town could have been killed by all of this. Who knows, maybe the people in the car aren't going to make it. I think both parties were ignorant and selfish personally.

Angry, if the kids weren't "running" from the police they wouldn't have had to chase them dumbass. The dumbass comment was for you wishing people would die a horrible death. Dumbass.

OK - Some one said they HEARD that they were doing donuts. AGAIN this is all hearsay and not a FACT....Never Assume
Cops don't just get in car chases because they feel like it. There was a reason for it and we will prob never know what it was for.

It doesn't matter why the police were going after them. Whether it's for something serious or not so serious (i.e. doing donuts in the parking lot), when the police are behind you with lights and sirens, you pull over. Period. If you don't, things like this can happen and it's your own fault.

And if all you are guilty of is "doing donuts", then why bother to run?

I disagree with anyone who says the police are at fault.

Does anyone have an update on the people that were injured in the car crash? lil_patience indicated that no one was dead or seriously injured, but I heard the helicopter and all the sirens last night as well as read the earlier post from mom of 1 that there was a transport to Morristown and a passenger thrown from the car - not a good thing.

Usually by now we have BLD posting the link to the story. Where is BLD when you need them?

someone mentioned it being kids, any truth to it? I've been checking the NJ.com and Daily Record but haven't seen anything yet. I did see the skid marks that were mentioned before..not good.

I'll just add that I've never lived in a town where accidents were so frequent!! Poles coming down and losing electricity around here are not unusual. Why this is I can't figure out!

First Angry all the kids had to do was stop,they made the bad decision to out run the cops. If the driver had hit someone or crashed and people found out that the cops just let him go as you suggest everyone would be bashing the cops. Second yes they were younger people not sure if I would call them kids, and it didn't appear that there were any major injurys. I think the Medevac was more of a precaution then anything. And as I stated before to leave over 500' of skidmarks (sideways) they had to be really flying. Also it will be interesting to see if they had been drinking???????????? So I think our police did the right thing and if they chose to outrun them that was their bad decision.

Yes the driver was flown to Morristown and released from Morristown within hours! The passenger was taken to Hackettstown! Again, neither were seriously injured....this is probably not in the papers yet because it had to do with a police pursuit and they are probably conducting an investigation!

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Jun 30, 09 1:37 pm

Re: Something Bad On 46Rebecka, here was this morning's downed utility pole. Sorry I had to be that person who took a picture, but I was waiting at the light and usually people are super curious to know about the day's accidents. The back of the silver pick-up was pretty beat up.

Thanks lil_patience for that update on the people involved in the accident. It is nice to know that no one was seriously hurt - Now we can get back to the bashing of either the police for engaging in the chase or the driver for not pulling over when they should have.

I personally will not get into that debate.

We live off of Naughright Rd. and we heard someone peeling out and laying rubber for a while. My wife was on the front porch and called me outside, she thought it was someone racing and called me outside. I also heard what sounded like someone racing or doing peel-outs. That would answer the speculation about donuts, makes perfect sense. Doing donuts for as long as we heard them, over a period of about 10 minutes or so, on and off, would only draw attention to yourself.......pretty stupid!

Here's an article about the accident on Mountain Ave. - http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/...wn_cr.html#more

A local man was involved in an accident in Mt. Olive - http://www.nj.com/news/local/ind...injured_in.html

how come so many people on here bash cops fire and squad they are all here to make is better for us to live.and if people run from the cops even if it is doing somthing stupid most of the time tey are hiding somthing why else would they run.so i dont feel bad for any one who gets hurt running from the law.

just to know
Jun 30, 09 5:21 pm

I know why the cops were racing....they heard the word DONUTS and flew to find them, loL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Something Bad On 46apparently a police chase ended near the hyundai dealer near the corner of east ave, and us 46. it ended after the green 2 dr, eclipse took down 2 sign posts and fish tailed into a telephone pole, knocking over the top half of the pole and 3 transformers, along with about 50 power lines.i heard from an officer that the passenger ran from the wreck and was arrested moments later, the driver was badly injured and was transported via helicopter to hackettstown regional

i am including pics i took,

Re: Something Bad On 46LOL wow im srry the last pic i posted was for this and this pic for that crash vise versa ..
but anyway
my house is on mtn ave near mcdonalds i watched the pickup get tboned by a dunkin donuts truck.

"how come so many people on here bash cops fire and squad they are all here to make is better for us to live"

The people that bash the police, fire and rescue squad are a sick minority. Most people, like myself, truely appreciate the work that these first responders do for the benefit of the community.

Unfortunately, there are some people out there that are members of the blame America first crowd, supporters of the ACLU (American Criminal Liberties Union), desperately seeking to bestow due process rights on illegal enemy combatants in order to accelerate their reunion with their terrorist cells as they combat the United States.

These sick individuals are useless idiots or as I collectively refer to them as "Liberals". They may bash, insult and generally spew hatred, although the truth of the matter is they do not hate anyone or anything to the extent that they hate themselves.

To the police, fire and rescue squads, thank you for your generous contibution to the community. Most (sane) people really appreciate it.

Thanks again!

Funny, I'm a liberal and I appreciate the police, fire & rescue squads, I must be in the minority and none of the words you used describe me. I wonder who the idiots are, LOL

I was there and have the whole story. Given all the HIPPA hubub I can't post anything about the patients. But there is alittle more to the story then just running from the police for doing doughnuts.

There were no deaths just one very minor injury and the other was more of a precaution as to why they were flown to MMH.

There were other factors that led the person to flee. Just wait patiently for the offfical press release. Rumors can really mess up the facts.

Stay safe and make sure your underware is clean.

Bessie - well didn't you know there's only two kind of people? "Us" and "them". (no matter which of the two million labels they come up with)

To Coralie who chooses to remain neutral and those who choose to bash the police officer for chasing, I must get into that debate. Sorry. For all of us who drive (and our passengers), it is nasty out there. Good defensive driving practices are no longer enough to feel safe on our roads. An accident has one meaning by my definition;, that is, without intention and not meant to harm. Having to risk that every time we drive is more than enough, but then we have to have STUPID added into the mix. This was not an accident. It was a choice!! The choice to be pursued, instead of having regard or respect for police officers (and others). I am not saying that I wish serious injuries or death upon anyone; but how about some consideration for the innocent human beings? The person was apprehended by way of STUPIDITY (there's that word again) due to losing control of their vehicle.
Jrsemom said it well....'if they weren't "running" from the police they wouldn't have had to chase them....' The humor I enjoyed was an added benefit when I counted how many times I read the word "dumbass' in her brief but well summarized statement. I love it. Oh yeah, goes well with stupid.
I add that I also agree with Bryan, Jesse and Rachael for their very valid points.

With redundancy I say, how do you possibly choose to "right such a wrong", by suggesting we have compassion and sympathy on the driver of that vehicle who was the true inconsiderate one. Shame on him!!
I reiterate as I have on similar issues on this forum; those of you who blame and said shame on the police officer, would undoubtedly be the FIRST ones to complain if you ever needed an officer and they weren't there fast enough for you. (They shouldn't speed right?)
The majority of the negative comments about police officers and their habits, choices, critiquing how they do their jobs; although I suppose they probably just eat donuts and drink coffee instead of what is supposed to be extensive training they receive (sarcasm). This and other bashing are usually laced with misinformation, gossipy "facts", info. that was passed on and changed along the way. This would be the easiest and quickest way for each person, one at a time to make a difference in this great country we are fortunate to live in; that is, if we just shutup about police officers, fire fighters, volunteers and all emergency rescue individuals who do risk their lives and give of themselves to help keep us all protected, healthier and safer. Imagine for only a short 60 seconds; then forever, if we did not have any of these people who choose to train, work hard and sacrifice for our benefit.
This may SEEM a bit deep but I should be signing as Angry. The incident in itself is totally insane; then I read from those who want to criticize the police, and EXCUSE a person who caused the whole thing. Outrageous! If those who bash and constantly take the ones who protect us for granted ever feel the urge to give something to society, appreciation and not judging would be a good start. Easy, very inexpensive and together making a difference. This doesn't require a closing.

smacku said, "The humor I enjoyed was an added benefit when I counted how many times I read the word "dumbass' in her brief but well summarized statement. "

Now this is a dumb bass:

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=11990

WOW RICH.
I clicked on the link you provided. It was so hysterical I nearly wet myself. NOT!!!!

Explains why you chose that part to comment on out of my entire post.

The post by Jrsemom is classic. (not to mention right on target)

Have a nice evening.

Anyone that says that Police chases are ok are retarded. And until you have lost a oved one (who was innocently driving home from work) due to a police chase over something STUPID, you will just sit here and try to place blame and not look at the real problem here. Cutting donuts in a parking lot? Are you kidding me? Thats worth not only risking the officers own life but the drvier being chased and anyone in their path. This kind of stuff needs to stop. And as for Rachael's comment you thnk its ok for put many people's lives at risk over something stupid like this. Like I said until you lose a loved one first hand to this stupidity (again an innocent person driving home from work) you will make foolish uneducated statements like that. I NEVER bash police officers. EVER. They have a really tough job. HOWEVER, some need to really think before doing thigs sometimes, because things don't always end with loli pops and handcuffs. What ever happened to road blocks where you force the vehicle to stop instead of chasing them making them go faster on the cluttered NJ streets.

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Jun 30, 09 9:52 pm

Also earnhart, ok so that was the bad decision made by the driver? So the innocent people that could have been killed as a result, what decision did they have? Think people.

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Jun 30, 09 9:55 pm

Smacku I think you may need some anger management..........LOL!!!

I really see no problems with these posts. YHou must remember these are opinions!

Take a chill pill HUH!

One more thing, the Police officers are trained to drive at faster speeds than average drivers. The people they are chasing however are not and they need to remember that.

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Jun 30, 09 10:04 pm

"well didn't you know there's only two kind of people? "Us" and "them". (no matter which of the two million labels they come up with)"

I agree. It seems that by "Us" in your statement you side with the "Pro Tyranny" point of view. I can respect that. Just don't hide behind terms like "Progressive" or whatever adjective the latest DNC talking points suggest. The appropriate term is "Statist". A statist is comfortable with the government reaching into every aspect of our economy and society.

By "Them" you are referring to me and all those like me that respect the constitution (a document specifically written to limit the power of central government). An abiding respect for an individual, their liberty and their potential unlimited ability to succeed on their own, that's the "Them" that I guess your referring to.

Our point of disagreement is that I believe that you are more capable and intelligent than the government. You apparently disagree.

Nosocialism - I think you've really brought out the point I was trying to address. Certainly I believe in no such thing. Any rational person is going to understand that there are any number of viewpoints and types of people that you could never pigeon hole them into just two camps. You've chosen the particular label "Pro Tyranny" and instead of one person's talking points you adopt someone else's. I don't adopt anyone's viewpoint but my own. I don't use labels like that because they're simplistic and can't capture the broad spectrum of human thought. I don't side either with you or against you. I fall into neither your "us" or your "them". In most cases on true radicals every could. That's what my sarcasm was all about - the world is never black and white but all shades of gray.

If you want to understand the folly of an "us vs. them" world, read Dr, Seuss's "Starz on Tharz." He knew.

While I agree that the police are ~given~ permission to pursue suspects they cannot do so irresponsibly. I'm not saying that's the case here, but to arbitrarily say that any and every chase is OK is in itself irresponsible. "Getting the bad guy" is not always worth the risk, unless of course one feels that ego is more important than public safety. Doing "donuts", if that's the case, certainly doesn't sound like a reason to put the public at risk IMHO.

I'll have to get that Cbel, maybe it will help me understand, LOL. Never heard of that Dr Seuss book.

I went to you tube. It's actually in his book about about sneetches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miPyaW...&playnext=1

Bessie: I don't know this happened. here. I tried to post this one for yogel on another thread.

This is what happens when I stay up past 11:00, so I'm going to bed.

Oy! *how* this happened here. Good night!

Seein the reality

Federal case Brower v. Inyo County mandates that any road block that is set up must also allow the person fleeing the right of safe passage as to not deine them of thier Fourth Amendment right .

And in my opion and my opinion only, If you run from the cops and they don't give chase then what effect will they ever have at protecting and serving.

It isn't unil the chase has begun can an officer decide as to when they should terminate the chase out in responce to public safty.

Seein: Can you be certain that it was just for "doing donuts", that the officer tried to pull them over and they chose to flee? Maybe the officer tried to pull him over because he was driving recklessly? Has it come out and I missed it, that the officer was speeding excessively or driving recklessly to pull this kid over? I can say I have never heard of disregarding an officers signal to pull over and they just let you go! Maybe we should all do that and we wont get tickets anymore! I do feel very bad for any innocent person that becomes a casualty because of a police pursuit but is it the police's fault when someone tries to outrun them? And even if the police did back off and end the chase, does that mean the person that was trying to outrun them in the first place would suddenly do the speed limit and drive safely? Again my deepest sympathy to anyone who has lost a loved one in this manner!!!

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Jun 30, 09 11:36 pm

Geez Christine, I really hate it when I feel compelled to keep addressing a really unimportant part of a topic; which is being a part of back and forth comments unrelated to the actual issue, but I guess I will anyway just one more time. On the contrary, I actually intended on my reply to Rich to be lighthearted. I wasn't annoyed, offended or in need of a chill pill at all.
It's a different sort of humor I think, mistaken for sounding uptight. It is difficult to detect accurate tone many times when reading vs. a conversation. So I am sorry about that. I meant it as silly sarcasm, not any other way.

I did state in my 1st post in so many words, that it seems somewhat deep (too intense). I have a great sense of humor in a lot of areas of life. I just happen to get very serious and affected when I see people show a total disregard for others, and hear of so many INNOCENT lives being wiped out so abruptly. I also think my comments about police bashing are very true.
Im not saying this is the case, but sometimes when people read a post and write chill out, it indicates that a particular part(s) may have hit a sore spot.

I realize these are all opinions. Some are serious. Some are at the other end of the spectrum, as in the post that the police were racing because they heard the word donuts and flew to find them. I'm positive every police officer that exists has heard that joke before. I have and maybe at times it's taken with a grain of salt and even a laugh. I don't know, but I doubt the officer who made the decision for whatever reason, was having a picnic during the chase. This is one time the donut joke would not seem funny to them, I expect. Maybe they had undeserving feelings of not knowing the outcome regarding their own life. I would not know. Although lengthy and very serious, my post was just like every other, my opinion.

Just wait till all the facts come out, i think there is a lot more to what happened then what first caught everyones attention. And yes Seeing, I feel for your loss if you lost someone due to a police chase and you certainly have every right to be upset over that. But what if they didn't try to stop these people whats next?. Were these kids just doing doughnuts and then when they got there jollys off they were just going to drive home safely? or were they going to go out cruising the roads? They were flying in that car just go look at the skid marks,its amazing to me that car didn't flip over several times. The cop was doing his job, thats what he gets paid to do remover the dirtbags from the street,if they choose to run then they deserve everything they get.

how bout the fact that the driver was drunk and underage? seems like the stupid rumors take precidence over that fact

I have noticed that, It has come out that they were only 19 and drunk, but we keep going back to the rumors of they were only doing doughnuts.. Even the article in the daily record said nothing about doughnuts...LIke a couple of other people who posted, I also was there. Like CJ also stated, I am limited to what i can say due to hippa

wheres the link to the story??

My opinion on this matter is very biased due to my situation. I will admit that. However there should be another option. Like if you can read the plate then go to their house. I don't know. Im just saying. Also Whether or not they were doing donuts is besides the point. In this situation everyone was just very lucky that they were not in the way when this happened. And as for leaving an exit in a road block, whatever. Unless you are a hardened criminal when you see that many cop cars blocking a road Im pretty sure you will stop. Drunk or not. And as for the recent info, underage and drunk, maybe we need some tougher punishments for this kind of stuff. Underage or not I think the penalties are not harsh enough. The bottom line here is Police high speed chases are VERY dangerous to everyone, the officer involved, the chasee, and other motorists and something needs to be changed.

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Jul 1, 09 4:51 pm

Here's the other side of it...so the police get their man, but was it worth the cost? It happens too often. This isn't bashing anyone, just something to think about. No one wants to see the bad guys get away, but what about the good guys caught in the middle?

http://www.post-trib.com/news/1644687,w...ans0630.article

I just love all of the Monday Morning Quarterbacking of the police here. Slow clap!!

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Jul 1, 09 10:25 pm

"Quarterbacking"? How so?

Bessie my point exactly. And um monday morning quarter backing?????!!!!! Did you not read my post about how this kinda thing hits home for me? Maybe you should read all the posts before you comment.

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Jul 1, 09 11:44 pm

Some of you people just don't get it. We're not bashing the Police. Stop trying to cause an arguement. Speaking for my self Im bashing the apprehension technique of high speed persuit. And how it is unsafe for all involved and not.

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Jul 1, 09 11:53 pm

I honestly don't think it's quarterbacking, you see it on the news all the time, innocent people being killed in the pursuit of the criminal. Do I think the criminal is wrong, absolutely, do I want the knock at my door to say my husband, wife, child was accidentally killed in the pursuit of them, God forbid. It's a problem and that's why most cities are changing protocol on how and how not to handle the situation. I'm not saying the Hackettstown police were wrong, they do a wonderful job, I have full respect for them, my point was there are 2 sides to it. I also hope that the kids that were caught and luckily not killed, are treated harshly by the courts for their stupidity and putting other lives in danger and not given a slap on the wrist because mommy or daddy got them a good lawyer to plea down their case to something lesser than what it was. JMHO

Well said Bessie, now can we all just get along? Whatever happened to that guy Rodney?

He died! Just couldn't get no respect!

John - the other "Rodney" :):)

Now can we all just get along........

From Wilkipedia -

Rodney King was awarded $3.8 million in a civil case and used some of the proceeds to start a hip hop music label, Straight Alta-Pazz Recording Company.[19]

In 1993, King entered an alcohol rehabilitation program and was placed on probation after crashing his vehicle into a block wall in downtown Los Angeles. In July 1995, he was arrested by Alhambra police, who alleged that he hit his wife with his car, knocking her to the ground. He was sentenced to 90 days in jail after being convicted of hit and run.[20] On August 27, 2003, King was arrested again for speeding and running a red light while under the influence of alcohol. He failed to yield to police officers and slammed his SUV into a house, breaking his pelvis.[21]

On November 29, 2007, while going home King was shot in the face, arms, back and torso with birdshot by two thieves attempting to steal his bicycle,[22] but his injuries were described as not life-threatening.

King appeared on the second season of Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew, which premiered in October 2008.[23] He also appeared on Sober House, a Celebrity Rehab spin-off focusing on a sober living environment, which aired in early 2009.[24]

BLD, LOL I think he meant Rodney Dangerfield! LOL!

Christine - I know John was talking about Rodney Dangerfield - Denny was talking about Rodney King - watch the video at around .50 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgiR04ey7-M

You know what yes what they did was stupid. But for all of you who are like I don't care its their own fault FU. Those 2 inolved in the accident happen to be friends of mine. We've all done something stupid in our lives. He made a stupid mistake. I just hope he comes out ok. They don't medivac someone to the hospital for no reason. So I don't believe for one second that the article that says it was minor injuries is correct.

http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/200907...igh-speed+chase

see now ya'll pi#$%d somebody off,hope your happy now

saphira you're a real gem.

saphira
I can garaentee you that people get sent by medivac with minor injuries. Sometimes there is a thing called mechanism of injury and index of suspicion. Medivac dosn't mean that there really is a bad injury. A pateint can present with normal vital signs and compensate very well with a life threatening injury. But you don't want them sitting at a community hospital where the surgen on call is 45 minutes away while they are being evaluated.

So the decition to fly a patient is also to COVER YOUR OWN A$$

Now I am going to go back to flying people.

CJ you must have had the same EMT instructor as me. The CYA thing is one of those things that stands out in my head at every call. LOL

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Jul 3, 09 9:56 am

Do you guys know who pays for the medivac? Is it the patients insurance?

Not sure. But I would imagine that's how that would work.

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Jul 3, 09 11:21 am

Your insurance pays for the med evac. If it is the state police your flight is subsudised by your auto registration fees. So it will be between $1,500 and $2,500. If you are flown by Atlantic Health or another air medical you are looking at a $6,000 bill.

I just ran across this post and I am saddened by the people who state that they have no remorse for the persons involved in this story.
God forbid it was one of their children or another family member that was involved here. Would you be making the same statements?
Our children (humans) are not perfect and make mistakes. As parents it is our job to teach our children as best we can and then some day let them go. If you are posting here and do not have children and make these statements you will never never understand what it is like to have a child.
When I was a teenager I remember friends that made fatal mistakes, I remember seeing them in the morgue. I am just happy that these boys are ok and no one else was hurt. They made a mistake and will now pay for it and learn from it. I am sure that they are sorry that you food could have gone bad because your refrigerator was shut off for an few hours.
Who knows may be they will go on to defend our country and die for your sorry asses.

more like 15k bill
my friend was taken in med evac
his insurance didnt cover it

saphira
you make me laugh

The minor injuries are absolutely correct. if they are friends of yours then you would know that he was released that very same night. you dont get released if they are not minor injuries

Astrat, I couldn't agree with you more. It's very easy to say your children would never do this or that, but you know what, you never know what your children will or will not do. That 19 year old and his passenger could have been killed, think of those parents, it could be any one of us with older kids capable of that kind of stupidity and bad judgment. I know parents in this area that buried their kids because of bad judgment and they were good kids. The only issue I have is when they get to plea down to less than what it was and they feel they're off the hook, easy to get in trouble again when there are no real consequences or a slap on the wrist. Bad judgment happens everywhere, rich, poor, young and old. JMHO

Dear Nosocialism,
You can't be more wrong. We are not Terrorist's. We are open minded people who see the problems in America and try to change what is wrong. I am an open-minded, and sound thinking person. The cops were wrong to speed after them going that fast. Its a danger. 2 speeding cars is better than 1 speeding car that soon slows down, because they don't see any flashing lights. The cops could just have got the Plate Number and than took action, There is no reason to just speed and chase some one when there is a safer and more logical solution to this. I am not bashing on the Fire dpt. or the EMS. No one is. The problem lies with the Police not doing there job correctly. If they were, none of this would have ever happened. This is the kind of stuff that happens when you put dumb people in high power.

The H-Town Terrorist.

The H-Town Terrorist
Jul 4, 09 12:55 am

"The problem lies with the Police not doing there job correctly. If they were, none of this would have ever happened."
H-Town Terrorist your not just a terrorist but and idiot. This would not have happened if the drunk driver did not drink, drive and run. The cops could not prove he was drunk if they just took action later. And what if they "took action later" and he decided to run again when they showed up. Should they let him go and take action later yet?! Bottom line is he was at fault not the cops. Oh and Happy fourth of July!

justathought
Jul 4, 09 10:39 am

justathought - His name says he's a terrorist, then he starts out saying "we're not terrorists". He says he's not bashing on fire or EMS, and then does it to the police. What ever his opinion is it's clear, and it doesn't seem to be all that credible. I won't sorry and think you have to justify anything. Sometimes you have to chase. Sometimes you have to let go. Sometimes you can get a plate, or you know you'll get him down the road. One way or the other, it's a judgment call.

I think if the cop just took the license plate number and called for assistance in this case, there should never have been a chase ,God forbid if any one was in front of this kid or should he encountered a red light at east ave and 46 who knows who lives he would have taken. It is very upsetting.

We were more than eye witnesses to this, selfish desperate act on the part of the fleeing driver and equally dangerous actions of the trained pursuant.
We were driving on 46, when a deafening screech of a car slamming on its brakes drowned out everything. A split second later a car passed on our left so fast, it was nothing but a blur. In our headlights the racing ahead car could clearly be seen it was compact and blue green.
The driver missing us by inches careened far to the left into the oncoming lane almost hitting the curb. The driver slammed on the brakes and slid and wildly fishtailed riding up on the right hand curb slicing a speed sign pole in half. The vehicle now completely out of control, spun sideways, lurched several feet in the air hitting a street light and finally came to a dead stop The broken light pole fell across thick core electrical wires causing a transformer laden telephone pole to break in half, dropping its two large transformers almost on the car.The transformers threw out a shower of sparks.The air smelled like burnt tires and overpowering ozone.Thick smoke was coming from the this horrid scene.This carnage all happened within a matter of seconds. In total shock and dismay we both thought we had witnessed a fatal accident.We were sure the car was going to burst into flames,or electrocute the occupants

What could have caused this driver to do such an insane act to end up dead or badly burned or maimed What?! Then we heard the familiar sound of a police siren, barreling down right behind us, then passing us and screeching to a halt near the wreckage.

There was the answer. A chase! ,The legal right to give "those who protect and serve" to engage in high speed pursuit. This policy has given "our protectors" the license to kill, destroy,maim innocent bystanders, private property and in most cases the pursued.
" The criminal gets what they deserves if they run "
So with that kind of logic if a "protector "starts blasting away at a running suspect in a crowded church, causing the suspect to trip and fall onto people, and the said protector kept firing, killing three innocent people.This protector would be in serious trouble with the his superiors, and the courts and most probably be dishonorably discharged from the force.
Not so with the high speed chase lunacy, read the statistics how many innocent are sacrificed by becoming high speed hood ordainments or bloody road kill just so a poor policy stays enforced.Who is this reckless policy really protecting and serving? The citizens? I don't think so, the"Protectors" no guess again.
http://www.realpolice.net/articles/polic...-reduction.html How about special interest groups and ignorant politicians hell bent on keeping this deadly game of cat and mouse continuing by showing "where're tough on crime!"
Its one thing to sit nice and safe and be arm chair quarterback and quite another to be involved or nearly killed as we were!.
If I sound angry I most certainly am! In Texas in 2005 my niece and her boyfriend making a right turn onto an intersection was hit broadside in their jeep.The car that hit them doing 75 mph was being pursued for a taillight being out. Their jeep was totaled and they both miraculously survived. So this IS a very personal issue to me.

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Jul 4, 09 11:56 pm

Good point spring. Now for all the people saying well not only were they driving wrecklessly (oh and by the way, the paper said the officer observed them drving wrecklessly, if you're doing donuts, guess what kind of ticket you get? Wreckless drving) they were also drunk, let me ask you something. If the officer never got to pull them over, how did he know they were "under age" and "drunk"? They didn't. So there for, the only reason for the chase that was known to the officers at the time of engagement was WRECKLESS DRIVING.

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Jul 5, 09 12:46 am

If you werent there then you just know rumors!
I happen to know all the ppl involved. The driver is not a bad guy. He is not sure why he acted the way he did but blames his behavior on the alcohol. He is sorry for what he did and what he put everyone through. .The passenger was scared **itless during this crazy ride he took.. As for the Officer, he WAS calling for assistance but this event happened so fast it took about one minute to go one mile! There were certainly factors that may have prevented him from getting the license plate # such as darkness, distance or other vehicles blocking his view. If that were possible I'm sure he would have backed off and followed up later. Though that may not have prevented anything if not fueled someone to continue on recklessly thinking he could get away with whatever.
Normal ppl do not run from the police in typical circumstances. Does anyone reading this run from the police? No. You stop and face the music, weather you did something stupid or its something you think is stupid. Typically there are underlying reasons that we may not know..Yeah, the car chases you see on TV are of usually because a serious crime had been committed..for someone to run from the cops must make that cop wonder what the hell have I come upon! What did this guy just do that is making him run!? More often then you may know ppl run from the police. Its not smart and dangerous to them and others. This one may not have ended but luckily not worse. He may have just gotten a ticket if he pulled right over as he should have, but he ended up in jail and will loose his license now for awhile.
Both the guys in the wreck got nothing more than bruises and a few staples(after the helicopter ride). The driver went to jail for a few days. The officer involved came upon the car just after the wreck. ( Because he was not driving as recklessly as the bad guy). After he made sure the downed wires weren't touching the car, he rendered aid to the driver whom he was just trying to stop.. Can you say change of emotions! Oh and if your wondering, he was released from the hospital shortly after also. Even through all your mud slinging.. he is doing OK and back to work. He is a good cop and would jump in front of that speeding car to protect any one of you!

somestillcalluspig
Jul 5, 09 2:24 am

Well that is great to hear that the driver and passenger are ok. nd noone, well, I never said anything bad about the officer involved in the chase. If you knew my experience with losing someone do to a chase I think your opinions on chases would be much different. But it's non of your buisiness so what I have stated is my opinion in which I am entitled to. As are you. Just DO NOT accuse me of bashing the Police. I have not done that and once again I will say this, I am bashing the apprehension technique of high speed chases and I think something needs to be done to change this.

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Jul 5, 09 11:14 am

You know, you just hope that you don't have to lose a family member or friend to try to open your mind that police chases might not be a good idea. While I don't have anyone in my life that it has happened to, I read the papers and watch the news and know it happens. I don't want to have to learn it first hand.

jail for a couple days?? wow, he surely learned his lesson.. these people need a reality check, because i know the two people involved in the crash also, and they arent good kids. this didnt teach them anything, and they will continue to screw up.

MAD AS HELL

you should write books

o and the guy wasnt in jail for a few days i saw him he next morning
so yeah he got bailed out 10k bail

You are correct Seein, high speed chases are very dangerous. I say shoot the tires out the moment the vehicle starts to pull away, They'll stop.

wow thats pathetic, i would never bail my kid out if he did that.. do parents ever hear of teaching there kid a lesson? tough love? apparently not.

If the guy involved in the police chase wasn't a bad guy? then what was he doing drinking and driving? a drunk behind the wheel is a bad guy! do not blame the police for the wreck, they were doing there jobs, let's blame the not so bad guy doing the running off and driving while drunk. What if he killed a innocent person or child, wake up people!

you yong folks on here need to learn not to drink and drive.

and not to run from the police.

you old folks on here need to learn not to drink and drive.

the police do need to learn when to break off a high speed chase as the potential for public safety is impacted by their continued pursuit. they can call ahead and get help from h-town cops. they already have a great desciprion of the car even if they did not get the lic. this is a training/policy issue for local cops. the staties already have gotten the message. now we need to drill it down to the locals.

Wow I swear some people cannot focus. chrisb, if your read all of the posts here you will find, that most of these people were not bashing the Police. And we do blame the driver running. BUT there could have been casualties because of the chase also. You need to do some research and look at some statistics before you comment on something you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Jul 6, 09 4:57 pm

Seein the Realty you are lost you will never get it, you have no idea what you are talking about, don't bash me, we pay for these idiots, taxes police wages and insurance to say the least, I don't need research, the guy was wrong, and how old was this idiot? I bet not over 25. driving drunk is against the law, doing donuts in a parking lot, against the law, running from the police against the law!!! we is your head seein the realty, maybe you need to really see the realty.. you must be friends with this ass##@@e. And finally I say reread my post, you obviously didn't get what I said and I dont have to look at stats, I pay insurance here, and pay taxes here and I am allowed my own opionion, go back under your rock where you came from.

chrisb, relax brother. Getting the bad guy is NOT always going to happen. Public safety is wayyyy more important. So please chill out and accept the fact that sometimes the bad guy will get away. It's a judgment call by the police and we have have faith that they will put public safety first. That's life...

Actually chrisb, if you would, once again, read the posts before making, once again, uneducated assumptions I do not know the person. Nor do I care too. Yes what he did was wrong. And no Im not bashing the Police. My God how many times do I have to repeat this. Read ALL the posts before making stupid comments. I lost a loved one, who was innocently driving home from work, due to a high speed chase over something stupid. So my head is in the reality pal. I have seen the reality and it sucks. And so i say to you, hopefully if this ever happens to you, that insurance and those taxes you hold so dearly will help you out. And as for the rock, um Ive been here for a while, can't say I've heard much from you. Maybe that's a good thing. Bottom line here is, again, read ALL the post before commenting. Not just a few.

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Jul 6, 09 11:09 pm

seein is right about reckless high speed chases that are out of control. the cops need to learn when to break them off.

THIS IS NOT COP BASHING!

The state police already train for this, how come locals don't have to do it?

unfortunately this one had a bad outcome...

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/warren-county/...te_highway.html

Seein the Realty why must I read other comments? don't I have a right to my own thoughts? How do you suggest cops catch bad guys when they are in vehicles?? And yes they need to learn how to break them off? but what is your suggestion? I have been in front of cops that all of a sudden turn on there lights and give high speed chase, infact it happens all the time on Mountain Ave. obviously the bad guys are running for a reason, not real upstanding citzens.I am sorry for your loss but don't blame the people who are trying to protect us and trying to catch these idiots.Your loved one was proably in the wrong place at the wrong time and maybe wasn't paying complete attention to traffic around them, but the bad guys are just not gonna turn themselves into the police station saying" here I am I was involved in a criminal offense this afternoon and instead of the police chasing me I just decided to give myself up."

"...and maybe wasn't paying complete attention to traffic around them..."

I'm going to offer that you are treading on really thin ice here. Best be careful with the "blame the victim" stuff.

The police are people, just like you and I, and are NOT GODS. They get caught up in the moment just like anyone, but it is ~their~ responsibility to make sure ~their~ actions don't make a bad situation worse. That is what they are trained for, not to go gun's blazing into an already bad situation. It is perfectly legitimate AND reasonable to question the actions of the police. After all, they are supposed to work in the interest of the public.

IMHO, the HPD is a very responsible police force but that doesn't mean that the public should get complacent and not ask questions when things go wrong.

Chrisb I think you need to stop while you are ahead. AGAIN you have no idea what you are talking about. There was no time to pay attention to anything when this happened, bottom line, end of story. I am friends with ALOT of Police officers, Who ALSO think that high speed pursuits are very dangerous and need to be changed. And ONCE AGAIN I'm not bashing the Police.

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Jul 7, 09 9:09 am

EXACTLY JIT. That is what I have been saying ALL along

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Jul 7, 09 9:12 am

Seein...I'm telling you, that's why you have to head on over to where life is calm and reasonable, LOL.

This was in the "Odd News" category on Yahoo today, and I thought I'd lighten this up a bit. :)

Drunken tractor driver leads police on slow chase

BERLIN (Reuters) - A drunk German sparked a slow-speed police chase after stealing a tractor to get home from a nightclub after his girlfriend left without him, said police, who used pepper spray to try to stop the vehicle.

"After his girlfriend abandoned him in a night club, the 23-year-old driver, who doesn't own a license, commandeered the vehicle to make his way home," a police spokesman said on Monday.

Six police cars began trailing the tractor, which was chugging along at 20 km (12 miles) an hour, after they were alerted to the theft at about 5 a.m. Saturday.

Officers tried holding up stop signs and directing pepper spray through the open window to bring the driver to a halt.

They then tried unsuccessfully to end his getaway by throwing nail belts on the road, but the tractor's tires proved too thick, said the police spokesman.

The 40-minute chase finally came to an end when officers shot at the tractor's tires after it rammed into a police car and collided with another vehicle.

I know Bessie. I don't know why I bother with thes idiots over here. These people have alot to say when they won't show up at a HH.

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Jul 7, 09 5:01 pm

I will go to HH, I just never know when it is.

Uh oh, I don't join the HL clique at their monthly/weekly/daily/hourly happy hours so that must mean I am a bad person. I'm going to go crawl under a rock now because I am not worthy to comment in the presence of the almighty HL club.

Pleeeease, enough already with the "if your not with us your against us" crap. It get's tiring reading it over and over again.

Chris, the next Happy Hour is 7/16, not sure of the spot yet, but will be sure to post it when it's decided. Always like to meet new people to put a face with the post :) I don't think it's a case of us against them, just nice to meet the people you spend so much time with, as frustrating as it may be at times. I think you will find us to be a decent bunch of people that are pretty much the same in person as we are online. I don't find us to be cliquey as much as a group of people that met on this forum, tried to have some lunches and drinks together, and realized we really do enjoy each others company. Justintime, sorry you feel like people think you're a bad person, I think that may be self inflicted. JMHO.

Thanks so much Bessie, I did stick my head into the Hong Kong Palace today and then I realized I don't know who to look for. Thanks again

justintime, you really should show up to a Happy Hour... given that last post, it seems you're quite the fan of "whine" (-;

lol, it really was a response to the repeated "if you'd only join us then we wouldn't bash you" theme, in conjunction with the never ending "give your real name" saga. There is, at times, a cavalier attitude toward anyone who disagrees and so I stand by my comment. I suppose my response should have gone in the other thread in which an HL regular made an uncalled for comment about hate, suggesting that others would do well to "reveal" themselves at a HH.

And for the record, the first paragraph in my post was extremely sarcastic. The second quite serious.

"I know Bessie. I don't know why I bother with thes idiots over here. These people have alot to say when they won't show up at a HH."

What is this, some sort of idle threat...What would happen if they did.....umm nothing...

justintime, I think you misinterpret a lot of those posts as "join us and we won't bash you", when in actuality they are more like "if we met you and knew your personality, we wouldn't think that you are constantly being condescending and would better understand where you are coming from".

ed - I think from what seein' and others have said it's nothing about a threat. It's that people act differently in person compared to posting behind the veil of the internet. Putting that into the context of a HH or a lunch, etc. really isn't the best way to say it.

I've seen others refer to this:

http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2004/04/02/pen...fuckwad_theory/

Re: Something Bad On 46@GC

I never tire of seeing that comic. So true.

Thank you GC. That is exactly what I meant by that. But apparently we have a guy with a quick fight trigger. Tisk tisk.

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Jul 8, 09 7:57 pm

Thank you for clearing that up.

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Jul 8, 09 7:57 pm

Love the cartoon GC, so appropriate and Ian, as usual, you crack me up. You can sum up a whole situation into 2 lines.

yeah and the person is you.. let me requote that

"I know Bessie. I don't know why I bother with thes idiots over here. These people have alot to say when they won't show up at a HH."

What exactly was the point of that statement.. I just asked what your intentions were and i dont think you knew when you typed it...

I've got to say Ed I've had disagreements with a few people on here since I joined, and you have got to be the most obnoxious person I have ever talked with. I'll spell it out for you. That comment meant, that unlike the calm and collected people on HL2, most here are very aggressive and like to argue. the word idiots seemed to sum it up quite well in my mind. And the point of the second part was, seeing things typed out on a computer screen, the words can seem more harsh and be misinterpreted. However, when you show up to an HLHH you meet the people, get to know their personalities, thus making things that are said make more sense. Like for example, if you knew me or my personality (which you dont) you would know that I was not bashing the Police. I have full respect for the job they do. If you still have further questions as to the meaning of anything I post, lets meet up for a drink one night and get to know each other and go from there.

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Jul 9, 09 6:03 pm

And that's precisely why HL monthly/weekly/daily/hourly happy hours (quoting JIT) are so positive. We meet for a drink, a cupcake, coffee, lunch, or whatever, speak face to face and get to know each other. It's all good.

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